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Re: How Can I Answer "Can You Lie To Protect The Integrity Of This Company?" by Ubenedictus(m): 7:22am On Sep 13, 2016 |
sekundosekundo:The bible didnt record everything that the apostles did, their death weren't even recorded, do u see d work of adrew or bathlomew, can u show me frm d bible if paul died? but d early xtians put all dis down in writing. Some catholic priest do get married, unless u are ignorant of it. celibacy is a discipline many pries take on it is not a dogma. |
Re: How Can I Answer "Can You Lie To Protect The Integrity Of This Company?" by sekundosekundo: 8:50am On Sep 14, 2016 |
Ubenedictus: The Bible may not record the deaths of the apostles but as Christians we hv details of them. There's no detail of Peter bn a Pope. This is propaganda of Catholics. 1 Like |
Re: How Can I Answer "Can You Lie To Protect The Integrity Of This Company?" by Ubenedictus(m): 9:25am On Sep 14, 2016 |
sekundosekundo:the same early xtians also record that peter was tthe first bishop of rome i.e pope. The place from which we get the details of the apostles death also tell us where they work. only when u are ignorantt will u deny thatt there are historic writings that show peter was the first bishop of rome, it is not propagada it is historic fact |
Re: How Can I Answer "Can You Lie To Protect The Integrity Of This Company?" by sekundosekundo: 9:34am On Sep 14, 2016 |
Ubenedictus: Peter was not a Pope neither did he worship on a Sunday. It's not possible that Apostle Peter bowed b4 Catholic images. Pls follow Peter from the day of Pentecost to his death you will discover that Catholic wasn't in existence. You can google the first Pope and see things for yourself. There's no history of Peter bn a Pope if you hv show me. |
Re: How Can I Answer "Can You Lie To Protect The Integrity Of This Company?" by Ubenedictus(m): 10:12am On Sep 14, 2016 |
sekundosekundo:Tertullian, in The Demurrer Against the Heretics (A.D. 200), noted of Rome, “How happy is that church . . . where Peter endured a passion like that of the Lord, where Paul was crowned in a death like John’s [referring to John the Baptist, both he and Paul being beheaded].” Fundamentalists admit Paul died in Rome, so the implication from Tertullian is that Peter also must have been there. It was commonly accepted, from the very first, that both Peter and Paul were martyred at Rome, probably in the Neronian persecution in the 60s. In the same book, Tertullian wrote that “this is the way in which the apostolic churches transmit their lists: like the church of the Smyrnaeans, which records that Polycarp was placed there by John; like the church of the Romans, where Clement was ordained by Peter.” This Clement, known as Clement of Rome, later would be the fourth pope. Clement wrote his Letter to the Corinthians perhaps before the year 70, just a few years after Peter and Paul were killed; in it he made reference to Peter ending his life where Paul ended his. In his Letter to the Romans (A.D. 110), Ignatius of Antioch remarked that he could not command the Roman Christians the way Peter and Paul once did, such a comment making sense only if Peter had been a leader, if not the leader, of the church in Rome. Irenaeus, in Against Heresies (A.D. 190), said that Matthew wrote his Gospel “while Peter and Paul were evangelizing in Rome and laying the foundation of the Church.” A few lines later he notes that Linus was named as Peter’s successor, that is, the second pope, and that next in line were Anacletus (also known as Cletus), and then Clement of Rome. Clement of Alexandria wrote at the turn of the third century. A fragment of his work Sketches is preserved in Eusebius of Caesarea’s Ecclesiastical History, the first history of the Church. Clement wrote, “When Peter preached the word publicly at Rome, and declared the gospel by the Spirit, many who were present requested that Mark, who had been for a long time his follower and who remembered his sayings, should write down what had been proclaimed.” Lactantius, in a treatise called The Death of the Persecutors, written around 318, noted that “When Nero was already reigning (Nero reigned from 54– 68), Peter came to Rome, where, in virtue of the performance of certain miracles which he worked by that power of God which had been given to him, he converted many to righteousness and established a firm and steadfast temple to God.” These citations could be multiplied. No ancient writer claimed Peter ended his life anywhere other than in Rome. On the question of Peter’s whereabouts they are in agreement, and their cumulative testimony carries enormous weight. |
Re: How Can I Answer "Can You Lie To Protect The Integrity Of This Company?" by Ubenedictus(m): 10:27am On Sep 14, 2016 |
sekundosekundo:Eusebius of caesaria is the foremost christian historian from that time Eusebius of Caesaria (A.D. 265-340) tells us in his "Church History" who succeeded him: Ch. 2 "After the martyrdom of Paul and of Peter, Linus was the first to obtain the episcopate of the church at Rome. Paul mentions him, when writing to Timothy from Rome, in the salutation at the end of the epistle". Ch. 13 "After [Emperor] Vespasian had reigned ten years Titus, his son, succeeded him. In the second year of his reign, Linus, who had been bishop of the church of Rome for twelve years [Note: it was actually 9 years], delivered his office to Anencletus. But Titus was succeeded by his brother Domitian after he had reigned two years and the same number of months." Ch. 15 "In the twelfth year of the same reign Clement succeeded Anencletus after the latter had been bishop of the church of Rome for twelve years. The apostle in his Epistle to the Philippians informs us that this Clement was his fellow-worker. His words are as follows: 'With Clement and the rest of my fellow- laborers whose names are in the book of life.'" And so forth. Does your faith community have a lineage like the one below? |
Re: How Can I Answer "Can You Lie To Protect The Integrity Of This Company?" by sekundosekundo: 10:35am On Sep 14, 2016 |
Ubenedictus: Compiled by Catholic to deceive the gullible. Catholics and Idol worshipers are the same. |
Re: How Can I Answer "Can You Lie To Protect The Integrity Of This Company?" by Geist(m): 10:43am On Sep 14, 2016 |
sekundosekundo:Lol , is that all you could say? You don't have any sources that says otherwise? |
Re: How Can I Answer "Can You Lie To Protect The Integrity Of This Company?" by Ubenedictus(m): 10:50am On Sep 14, 2016 |
sekundosekundo:eusebius of caesaria is a christian historian any history student will know his works, they were written by him and contain the history of abt 300yrs of christianity. The fact that you think the catholic church wrote the works of eusebius to decieve people show you are ignorant of simple christian history go and educate yourself. This below was written by by another early xtian. "The blessed apostles [Peter and Paul], having founded and built up the church [of Rome] . . . handed over the office of the episcopate to Linus" (Against Heresies 3:3:3 [A.D. 189]). |
Re: How Can I Answer "Can You Lie To Protect The Integrity Of This Company?" by Ubenedictus(m): 10:53am On Sep 14, 2016 |
sekundosekundo:were all these below also written by the catholic church? St. Irenaeus "The blessed apostles [Peter and Paul], having founded and built up the church [of Rome] . . . handed over the office of the episcopate to Linus" (Against Heresies 3:3:3 [A.D. 189]). Tertullian "[T]his is the way in which the apostolic churches transmit their lists: like the church of the Smyrneans, which records that Polycarp was placed there by John, like the church of the Romans, where Clement was ordained by Peter" (Demurrer Against the Heretics 32:2 [A.D. 200]). The Little Labyrinth "Victor . . . was the thirteenth bishop of Rome from Peter" (The Little Labyrinth [A.D. 211], in Eusebius, Church History 5:28:3). |
Re: How Can I Answer "Can You Lie To Protect The Integrity Of This Company?" by Ubenedictus(m): 10:59am On Sep 14, 2016 |
sekundosekundo:what historic source do u have that state otherwise, You can read about the works of eusebius below, they werent writting by the catholic church to decieve people https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eusebius |
Re: How Can I Answer "Can You Lie To Protect The Integrity Of This Company?" by Ubenedictus(m): 11:04am On Sep 14, 2016 |
Geist:good point, at least u noticed she isnt refuting anything |
Re: How Can I Answer "Can You Lie To Protect The Integrity Of This Company?" by btoks: 3:28pm On Sep 14, 2016 |
sekundosekundo:But you believe the bible books are scripture as compiled by the same Catholic Church?!!!!! I doubt the OP wanted this thread to become another Catholic Bashing thread!! OP may want to get posters back on track. |
Re: How Can I Answer "Can You Lie To Protect The Integrity Of This Company?" by sekundosekundo: 3:33pm On Sep 14, 2016 |
btoks: They compiled the Bible and they end up worshiping Idol.
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Re: How Can I Answer "Can You Lie To Protect The Integrity Of This Company?" by Ubenedictus(m): 10:23am On Sep 15, 2016 |
sekundosekundo:And yet you cant refute any of the points that i raised but have no problem with glib comments. |
Re: How Can I Answer "Can You Lie To Protect The Integrity Of This Company?" by Ubenedictus(m): 10:24am On Sep 15, 2016 |
btoks:I guess i have some blame in derailing d thread. |
Re: How Can I Answer "Can You Lie To Protect The Integrity Of This Company?" by sekundosekundo: 10:32am On Sep 15, 2016 |
Ubenedictus: You didn't make any point. Your comments sounds like a combined urine of teenagers. |
Re: How Can I Answer "Can You Lie To Protect The Integrity Of This Company?" by Ubenedictus(m): 1:00pm On Sep 15, 2016 |
sekundosekundo:Which u couldnt refute, u didnt provide a single historic source or propose an intelligible point. since u have descended to insult that shows u really have no point. |
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