Ikechukwu48:


Ngozi is right. I've read both you and his argument plus other stuff he said on this page...there's no doubt in my mind that dude is not anioma. He might live among us but he's not one of us. His comments indicated it. Like the first guy you guys were arguing with for sure is ika but that chukyz whatever guy I believe is that Bini dude

My reasons are based on several thing. 1.) The fact that you, that isn't even ika, can defeat him in an argument discussing about Ika and you used ika writers to do so speaks volume. The fact he couldn't defend any of what you posted is exactly as that igbodo and Bini dude argument back in the day.
2.) The fact he didn't even know anioma extend past delta state and someone else had to explain it to him. Even in his attempt to save face he also gave himself away....when he stated and I quote "maybe ndoni". Like which anioma does not know that ndoni is part of aniomaland? The fact he even said only Onitsha is anioma also speaks volume. Like which anioma does not know that aniomaland in Anambra extends past Onitsha? Abeg gi
3.) Where he stated that Noone know who Asagba is. Like once again which anioma does not know who Asagba is. Like I know ika are desperate to be seen as equal with us but one thing I can say about Ika peeps..they might be crazy, liars, attention seekers, etc but one thing they aren't is not delusional. They aren't delusional
There are several other things that makes him a suspect.

That guy is not anioma...I'll bet my left testicle on it.

Ok. I wI'll trust your instincts and judgement on this one.

Ikechukwu48:


Ngozi is right. I've read both you and his argument plus other stuff he said on this page...there's no doubt in my mind that dude is not anioma. He might live among us but he's not one of us. His comments indicated it. Like the first guy you guys were arguing with for sure is ika but that chukyz whatever guy I believe is that Bini dude

My reasons are based on several thing. 1.) The fact that you, that isn't even ika, can defeat him in an argument discussing about Ika and you used ika writers to do so speaks volume. The fact he couldn't defend any of what you posted is exactly as that igbodo and Bini dude argument back in the day.
2.) The fact he didn't even know anioma extend past delta state and someone else had to explain it to him. Even in his attempt to save face he also gave himself away....when he stated and I quote "maybe ndoni". Like which anioma does not know that ndoni is part of aniomaland? The fact he even said only Onitsha is anioma also speaks volume. Like which anioma does not know that aniomaland in Anambra extends past Onitsha? Abeg gi
3.) Where he stated that Noone know who Asagba is. Like once again which anioma does not know who Asagba is. Like I know ika are desperate to be seen as equal with us but one thing I can say about Ika peeps..they might be crazy, liars, attention seekers, etc but one thing they aren't is not delusional. They aren't delusional
There are several other things that makes him a suspect.

That guy is not anioma...I'll bet my left testicle on it.

Ok. I will trust your instincts and judgement on this one.

Ngozi123:


Like Ikechukwu48 said, I don't believe that he is from Anioma. Notice how he switched from accusing me of not being from Anioma to saying that the "Igbos don't know their history". If he is indeed from one of the Anioma groups under dispute, which I highly doubt, then it is him who does not know his history. How can he expect us to take his arguments seriously when he can't even identify the full extent of Anioma land?

I don't usually like to get involved in threads such as I don't really care that much for other people's lies and propaganda. However, I've come to notice that a lot of people are starting to believe the nonsense they write. That's why the likes of @coolitempa, a Yoruba poster (I assume) thought it okay to come on a thread populated with mostly Igbos and say that my people are not Igbo but rather Bini. That is the last straw and I will not stand for it anymore. The next time I see someone try to question my people's Igboness again, they will have hell to pay .

Ever since I read the past dein of agbor and obi of idumuje unor books as well as the argument the Onitsha peeps had regarding their ancestry, I've become extremely suspicious of binis and very self aware. Like lately, I've been reading online on some website stating Asaba has bini ancestry and the first king was bini or some shit like that and I'm dumbfounded to be honest. Growing up I know Igala is the other Non Igbo bloodline in us and Bini were the people we traded with. That was the story I got from my parents, that was the story I read and that was the stories I learned from elders as well so where the Bleep is the Bini crap being posted online coming from. Most annoying aspect is that is not even written by an Asaba person or even anioma...majority of the time. I know exactly how you feel lady.

chukzyblingz:
I'm an Anioma born and brought up. The only recognized Anioma town outside of Delta and Edo States is Onitsha. What do you know about Anioma history and culture? What makes Ogbaru and Ogidi and those other Eastern towns Anioma? Forget what you read in textbooks and face reality. What links do these places have with Anioma that will make Anioma become Igbo because someone in this heart of Igboland is Igbo. You can deceive yourself all you want but as far as Anioma people are concerned, you are not an Anioma person. Nobody includes you in any happening in Aniomaland.

So you're back to accusing me of not being from Anioma? Ok then, whatever you say .

Ikechukwu48:


Ngozi is right. I've read both you and his argument plus other stuff he said on this page...there's no doubt in my mind that dude is not anioma. He might live among us but he's not one of us. His comments indicated it. Like the first guy you guys were arguing with for sure is ika but that chukyz whatever guy I believe is that Bini dude

My reasons are based on several thing. 1.) The fact that you, that isn't even ika, can defeat him in an argument discussing about Ika and you used ika writers to do so speaks volume. The fact he couldn't defend any of what you posted is exactly as that igbodo and Bini dude argument back in the day.
2.) The fact he didn't even know anioma extend past delta state and someone else had to explain it to him. Even in his attempt to save face he also gave himself away....when he stated and I quote "maybe ndoni". Like which anioma does not know that ndoni is part of aniomaland? The fact he even said only Onitsha is anioma also speaks volume. Like which anioma does not know that aniomaland in Anambra extends past Onitsha? Abeg gi
3.) Where he stated that Noone know who Asagba is. Like once again which anioma does not know who Asagba is. Like I know ika are desperate to be seen as equal with us but one thing I can say about Ika peeps..they might be crazy, liars, attention seekers, etc but one thing they aren't is not delusional. They aren't delusional
There are several other things that makes him a suspect.

That guy is not anioma...I'll bet my left testicle on it.

Now,I am not trying to cause division or start animosity but it is very very wrong to say Aniomaland extends into Omanbala land. That is very misleading. The Ezechima clan in Onicha and Obosi were settlers,just like some other Anioma groups in Ogbaru,Nsugbe. These people met Omanbala land owners on arrival. You can say Anioma people are found in Anambra but they are not the original settlers,we know ourselves...It's well documented.
Let's not start unnecessary rift. We also have Omanbalas in Aniomaland but we will never call Anioma land ana Omanbala. Let's respect each other that peace may rain. Daalu,rinne. I remain proudly nwa Omanbalas/nwa onye Igbo.

Ngozi123:


Like Ikechukwu48 said, I don't believe that he is from Anioma. Notice how he switched from accusing me of not being from Anioma to saying that the "Igbos don't know their history". If he is indeed from one of the Anioma groups under dispute, which I highly doubt, then it is him who does not know his history. How can he expect us to take his arguments seriously when he can't even identify the full extent of Anioma land?

I don't usually like to get involved in threads such as these as I don't really care that much for other people's lies and propaganda. However, I've come to notice that a lot of people are starting to believe the nonsense they write. That's why the likes of @coolitempa, a Yoruba poster (I assume), thought it okay to come on a thread populated with mostly Igbos and say that my people are not Igbo but rather Bini. That is the last straw and I will not stand for it anymore. The next time I see someone try to question my people's Igboness again, they will have hell to pay .

Can you guys not leave us out of your confusion!?.....

Igboid:


Ok. I wI'll trust your instincts and judgement on this one.

I hope you saw where Ikechukwu48 referee to Onicha as Aniomaland as if Ezechima founded the place. That needs to be corrected asap and nipped in the bud. If Onicha is Aniomaland then Asaba is Ani Omanbala.

coolitempa:


Can you guys not leave us out of your confusion!?.....

Do you have comprehension problem? Your mention was necessary.

chukzyblingz:
I'm an Anioma born and brought up. The only recognized Anioma town outside of Delta and Edo States is Onitsha. What do you know about Anioma history and culture? What makes Ogbaru and Ogidi and those other Eastern towns Anioma? Forget what you read in textbooks and face reality. What links do these places have with Anioma that will make Anioma become Igbo because someone in this heart of Igboland is Igbo. You can deceive yourself all you want but as far as Anioma people are concerned, you are not an Anioma person. Nobody includes you in any happening in Aniomaland.

LOL...Well,I am waiting for the day you will come and carry Onicha land back to your Anioma home. Nobody is dragging Anioma with you but we will never stand and let you fabricate bunch of lies in the name of history...you will never be happy until you accept the truth. That you are ashamed of your identity...lol

Ikechukwu48:


Ngozi is right. I've read both you and his argument plus other stuff he said on this page...there's no doubt in my mind that dude is not anioma. He might live among us but he's not one of us. His comments indicated it. Like the first guy you guys were arguing with for sure is ika but that chukyz whatever guy I believe is that Bini dude

My reasons are based on several thing. 1.) The fact that you, that isn't even ika, can defeat him in an argument discussing about Ika and you used ika writers to do so speaks volume. The fact he couldn't defend any of what you posted is exactly as that igbodo and Bini dude argument back in the day.
2.) The fact he didn't even know anioma extend past delta state and someone else had to explain it to him. Even in his attempt to save face he also gave himself away....when he stated and I quote "maybe ndoni". Like which anioma does not know that ndoni is part of aniomaland? The fact he even said only Onitsha is anioma also speaks volume. Like which anioma does not know that aniomaland in Anambra extends past Onitsha? Abeg gi
3.) Where he stated that Noone know who Asagba is. Like once again which anioma does not know who Asagba is. Like I know ika are desperate to be seen as equal with us but one thing I can say about Ika peeps..they might be crazy, liars, attention seekers, etc but one thing they aren't is not delusional. They aren't delusional
There are several other things that makes him a suspect.

That guy is not anioma...I'll bet my left testicle on it.

It's obvious you lack compression. Defeat who? You think I'm some jobless dudes that come to a faceless forum to argue with some ignorant folks? I have more important things to do with my time than come on here to argue with some deluded folks. Like I told him a long earlier when I newly joined this thread, he's irredeemable so arguing with him is pointless.

I've said this before and I repeat, you don't know more about the extent of Aniomaland than I do. I'm very involved with many Anioma groups and organizations and in all our events, nobody has ever talked anything about those towns I listed there. To we the Anioma people, they're not Anioma.
As for Asagba, who doesn't know he's a political king? Who respects him? A monarch in a tiny Anioma village commands more respect than the Asagba.

Did you just say ika trying to catch up with you? In what sense? Aniomaland is greatly blessed with great men from Agbor to Onitsha. Please tell me. Is it in human capital? In what exactly? Are you trying to say Oshimili land has more great men? Or more political relevant? I'm waiting for you to tell me what you mean by this.

OdenigboAroli:


LOL...Well,I am waiting for the day you will come and carry Onicha land back to your Anioma home. Nobody is dragging Anioma with you but we will never stand and let you fabricate bunch of lies in the name of history...you will never be happy until you accept the truth. That you are ashamed of your identity...lol

If you have been following this thread and you're an honest person, you should know who to direct this to. I extended my grouping to Onitsha mainly because of many things I don't have time to write now. But what will you say to those that extending Aniomaland all the way to Imo?

And for Igboid saying Onitsha are proud Igbos, have you forgotten until few years ago that Onitsha deny being Igbo? They still do till present day but it has reduced because of some obvious facts but most of them know who they are even if they don't come out shouting it. I have some Onitsha friends that always say "don't mind this Igbo people. They think we are the same. We don't behave like them and we don't have things in common". They say many different things I can't type here. I know you will also claim ignorance of Igbo denials in Onitsha

chukzyblingz:
If you have been following this thread and you're an honest person, you should know who to direct this to. I extended my grouping to Onitsha mainly because of many things I don't have time to write now. But what will you say to those that extending Aniomaland all the way to Imo?

And for Igboid saying Onitsha are proud Igbos, have you forgotten until few years ago that Onitsha deny being Igbo? They still do till present day but it has reduced because of some obvious facts but most of them know who they are even if they don't come out shouting it. I have some Onitsha friends that always say "don't mind this Igbo people. They think we are the same. We don't behave like them and we don't have things in common". They say many different things I can't type here. I know you will also claim ignorance of Igbo denials in Onitsha

I don't care what the Onicha people say but one thing is certain,that we know the history of all these deniers. When they are tired they can pack and move back to Bini or Anioma land. Onicha is Omanbala land till eternity...Adi ebu ani ebu!

I will not insult Onicha people based on what you say because I know a lot of them. You want them to deny Igbo and insult Igbo but Igbo is too powerful and will swallow all his enemies just like it's doing right now. An Onicha girl will marry an Anambra guy before she looks your way...Stop thinking like a ffooll. Socially,Onicha people connects more with Anambra than Anioma...lol

OdenigboAroli:


I don't care what the Onicha people say but one thing is certain,that we know the history of all these deniers. When they are tired they can pack and move back to Bini or Anioma land. Onicha is Omanbala land till eternity...Adi ebu ani ebu!

I will not insult Onicha people based on what you say because I know a lot of them. You want them to deny Igbo and insult Igbo but Igbo is too powerful and will swallow all his enemies just like it's doing right now. An Onicha girl will marry an Anambra guy before she looks your way...Stop thinking like a ffooll. Socially,Onicha people connects more with Anambra than Anioma...lol

I don't want you to hate Onicha people because of what I said. I don't want them to deny or insult Igbo. Don't say "what I said because it's a well-known fact ". And you're right, onicha is more involved and connected with other Anambra people than with Anioma because of some obvious reasons that's why it's insensible to group those other completely alienated Eastern towns as Anioma.

chukzyblingz:
I don't want you to hate Onicha people because of what I said. I don't want them to deny or insult Igbo. Don't say "what I said because it's a well-known fact ". And you're right, onicha is more involved and connected with other Anambra people than with Anioma because of some obvious reasons that's why it's insensible to group those other completely alienated Eastern towns as Anioma.

What do you know about Oguta? Your knowledge seems more of beer parlor than heritage or research. Allow historians or traditional custodians teach you than meddling into issues you know little about.

Are very correct..

OdenigboAroli:


I don't care what the Onicha people say but one thing is certain,that we know the history of all these deniers. When they are tired they can pack and move back to Bini or Anioma land. Onicha is Omanbala land till eternity...Adi ebu ani ebu!

I will not insult Onicha people based on what you say because I know a lot of them. You want them to deny Igbo and insult Igbo but Igbo is too powerful and will swallow all his enemies just like it's doing right now. An Onicha girl will marry an Anambra guy before she looks your way...Stop thinking like a ffooll. Socially,Onicha people connects more with Anambra than Anioma...lol

chukzyblingz:
If you have been following this thread and you're an honest person, you should know who to direct this to. I extended my grouping to Onitsha mainly because of many things I don't have time to write now. But what will you say to those that extending Aniomaland all the way to Imo?

And for Igboid saying Onitsha are proud Igbos, [b]have you forgotten until few years ago that Onitsha deny being Igbo? [/b]They still do till present day but it has reduced because of some obvious facts but most of them know who they are even if they don't come out shouting it. I have some Onitsha friends that always say "don't mind this Igbo people. They think we are the same. We don't behave like them and we don't have things in common". They say many different things I can't type here. I know you will also claim ignorance of Igbo denials in Onitsha

I'm glad that you mentioned Onitsha here. Let me reiterate this for you: people from Onitsha and its environs are the proudest Igbos till date. Chief Osadebe (RIP) was one of the proudest Igbo men that has ever lived- ask me how I know this and you'll be very surprised with the answer . I have not met any person from Onitsha, and I know many intimately, who denies being Igbo- what kind of nonsense is this? As OdenigboAroli said, a woman from Onitsha will prefer to marry, all things considered, a man from Anambra or from anywhere else in Igboland than a Bini man, whom she'll consider to be an 'outsider'. Trust me, I'm living proof of this . There's nothing wrong with Bini men, it's just that most women like to marry someone they're more familiar with.

Ngozi123:


I'm glad that you mentioned Onitsha here. Let me reiterate this for you: people from Onitsha and the environs are the proudest Igbos till date. Chief Osadebe (RIP) was one of the proudest Igbo men that has ever lived- ask me how I know this and you'll be very surprised with the answer . I have not met any person from Onitsha, and I know many intimately, who denies being Igbo- what kind of nonsense is this? As OdenigboAroli said, a woman from Onitsha will prefer to marry, all things considered, a man from Anambra or from anywhere else in Igboland than a Bini man, whom she'll consider to be an 'outsider'. Trust me, I'm living proof of this . There's nothing wrong with Bini men, it's just that most women like to marry someone who they're more familiar to.

We're on same page on two things. First you subtly admitted There is an Igbo denials in Onitsha and despite the denials, Onitsha people feel more at home with other Igbos than Anioma people for some obvious reasons. This is why it's outrageous to even think of categorizing those towns completely alienated from Anioma land and happenings in Anioma areas as Anioma town.

Well, this Onitsha discussion escalated too fast.


If Anioma is just a political grouping, within the Igbo ethnic group, as envisaged by Osadebey, then Onitsha or any Igbo town East of the Niger is not Anioma.

But if we understand Anioma as a cultural group, United by migration story from Bini with Eze chime migration story being the biggest of them all, and by shared trado political leaning towards the Binis and also by ancestral links to Igbo towns west of the Niger, then we can comfortably include Eastern towns like Onitsha( the three Ezechima villages there) , Obosi( some villages in Obosi), Ndoni, Ogbaru, Oguta, Ora ifite into it.

But the second grouping is only possible, if Anioma remains an Igbo group.

chukzyblingz:
We're on same page on two things. First you subtly admitted There is an Igbo denials in Onitsha and despite the denials, Onitsha people feel more at home with other Igbos than Anioma people for some obvious reasons. This is why it's outrageous to even think of categorizing those towns completely alienated from Anioma land and happenings in Anioma areas as Anioma town.

Onitsha is not alienated to Oshimili/Aniocha, it's just a walking distance. So it's mischievous to say that Onitsha is alienated to Anioma.
The proper thing to say would be that Onitsha is alienated to Ika/Ukwuani.

Onitsha attitude to Igbo unity is exactly as obtained in Oshimili/ Aniocha.

Ikechukwu48:


Ngozi is right. I've read both you and his argument plus other stuff he said on this page...there's no doubt in my mind that dude is not anioma. He might live among us but he's not one of us. His comments indicated it. Like the first guy you guys were arguing with for sure is ika but that chukyz whatever guy I believe is that Bini dude

My reasons are based on several thing. 1.) The fact that you, that isn't even ika, can defeat him in an argument discussing about Ika and you used ika writers to do so speaks volume. The fact he couldn't defend any of what you posted is exactly as that igbodo and Bini dude argument back in the day.
2.) The fact he didn't even know anioma extend past delta state and someone else had to explain it to him. Even in his attempt to save face he also gave himself away....when he stated and I quote "maybe ndoni". Like which anioma does not know that ndoni is part of aniomaland? The fact he even said only Onitsha is anioma also speaks volume. Like which anioma does not know that aniomaland in Anambra extends past Onitsha? Abeg gi
3.) Where he stated that Noone know who Asagba is. Like once again which anioma does not know who Asagba is. Like I know ika are desperate to be seen as equal with us but one thing I can say about Ika peeps..they might be crazy, liars, attention seekers, etc but one thing they aren't is not delusional. They aren't delusional
There are several other things that makes him a suspect.

That guy is not anioma...I'll bet my left testicle on it.

You aren't far from the truth. The imposter gave himself up so easily. Having followed his post with scrutiny, I noticed a mischevious attempt at throwing up fictitious lies tilted in the favour of a Bini origin for the whole of Ikaland. In him, I see the ghost of Omogie of old who tried vainly to link Anioma nay Agbor with Bini roots. But thank God for the likes of Ikechukwu (Ogbuefi reincarnated) who never for once relented in busting their lies.

Igboid:
Well, this Onitsha discussion escalated too fast.


If Anioma is just a political grouping, within the Igbo ethnic group, as envisaged by Osadebey, then Onitsha or any Igbo town East of the Niger is not Anioma.

But if we understand Anioma as a cultural group, United by migration story from Bini with Eze chime migration story being the biggest of them all, and by shared trado political leaning towards the Binis and also by ancestral links to Igbo towns west of the Niger, then we can comfortably include Eastern towns like Onitsha( the three Ezechima villages there) , Obosi( some villages in Obosi), Ndoni, Ogbaru, Oguta, Ora ifite into it.

But the second grouping is only possible, if Anioma remains an Igbo group.

You're right. Anioma as a political group and as formed by Chief Dennis Osadebey is what we now know as Delta north. Thus an Anioma state should comprise Delta north Igbo communities and the remaining Ika groups stuck in Edo. However Anioma as a cultural group with shared kinship and ancestral origin connects both Delta north Igbo clans as well as some riverine South-East Igbo clans and Rivers Igbo groups.

Igboid:


Onitsha is not alienated to Oshimili/Aniocha, it's just a walking distance. So it's mischievous to say that Onitsha is alienated to Anioma.
The proper thing to say would be that Onitsha is alienated to Ika/Ukwuani.

Onitsha attitude to Igbo unity is exactly as obtained in Oshimili/ Aniocha.

What I've come to deduce is that Ika and Ukwuani people are fighting hard to influence Oshimili and Aniocha people with "Binimania" without success. Since Ika and Ndokwa have a sizeable population of Igbo deniers then Ndigbo should remove them from every Igbo organization. I've personally stopped sharing Igbo ideas with anybody that speaks Igbo but denies being Igbo long ago.

Abagworo:


What I've come to deduce is that Ika and Ukwuani people are fighting hard to influence Oshimili and Aniocha people with "Binimania" without success. Since Ika and Ndokwa have a sizeable population of Igbo deniers then Ndigbo should remove them from every Igbo organization. I've personally stopped sharing Igbo ideas with anybody that speaks Igbo but denies being Igbo long ago.

Yes. Ika is a bad influence.I agree with you.

This is why in football, once a player is headstrong and non conforming, the manager must ship him out of the club immediately or risk the player inciting the rest of the team mates against him the club and the manager.

The thing about bad eggs, is that, if left in the company of good ones, they spread their disease to the good ones and turn the whole crate into a mess.

Ika Igbo denials are not just comfortable with their shameful acts, they fight tooth and nail to subtly or forcefully rope Aniocha/ Oshimili people into their madness.
I had noticed this in Anioma forums.

This is similar to what Ikwerres/ Ogbas expect of Ohaji / Egbema people, they keep trying to incite them into Igbo denials, subtly and forcefully by cajoling them and painting the rest of SE in bad light.

The situation is a delicate one, because we still have proud Igbos like Osita Mordi in Ika, and proud Igbos in Ukwuani, Ikwerre and Ogba,are these proud Igbos in these places in the minority? I don't know, should we dump them all because of the vocal bad eggs amongst them? This is hard. It's all confusing. I mean look at people like Eze promoe on this forum, anIkwerre guy, yet proudly Igbo and had contributed more to Igbo NL community growth and development, (including teaching Igbo language to those of us that can't speak them) than most other Igbos here. How about people like Uche Okwukwu?

Abagworo, what do you propose we do?

Igboid:


Yes. Ika is a bad influence.I agree with you.

This is why in football, once a player is headstrong and non conforming, the manager must ship him out of the club immediately or risk the player inciting the rest of the team mates against him the club and the manager.

The thing about bad eggs, is that, if left in the company of good ones, they spread their disease to the good ones and turn the whole crate into a mess.

Ika Igbo denials are not just comfortable with their shameful acts, they fight tooth and nail to subtly or forcefully rope Aniocha/ Oshimili people into their madness.
I had noticed this in Anioma forums.

This is similar to what Ikwerres/ Ogbas expect of Ohaji / Egbema people, they keep trying to incite them into Igbo denials, subtly and forcefully by cajoling them and painting the rest of SE in bad light.

The situation is a delicate one, because we still have proud Igbos like Osita Mordi in Ika, and proud Igbos in Ukwuani, Ikwerre and Ogba,are these proud Igbos in these places in the minority? I don't know, should we dump them all because of the vocal bad eggs amongst them? This is hard. It's all confusing. I mean look at people like Eze promoe on this forum, anIkwerre guy, yet proudly Igbo and had contributed more to Igbo NL community growth and development, (including teaching Igbo language to those of us that can't speak them) than most other Igbos here. How about people like Uche Okwukwu?

Abagworo, what do you propose we do?

If you read my post very well you will realize my suggestion is absolute dissociation. Go take a look at the recently rearranged Rivers State official website how the present Government of Nyesom Wike removed Igbo from the ethnic groups in Rivers State and added Ijaw. In reality there is no Ijaw in Rivers State but there are Igbos inhabiting Oyigbo LGA 99% and 3 Egbema villages in ONELGA. There are Igboid and Ijoid groups with Igboid inhabiting most of the upland and Ijoid inhabiting most of the Riverine. What is the motive behind this removal if not to annex Obigbo or deny the 3 Egbema villages their rights despite being responsible for most of the oil in ONELGA.

chukzyblingz:
We're on same page on two things. First you subtly admitted There is an Igbo denials in Onitsha and despite the denials, Onitsha people feel more at home with other Igbos than Anioma people for some obvious reasons. This is why it's outrageous to even think of categorizing those towns completely alienated from Anioma land and happenings in Anioma areas as Anioma town.

I didn't subtly admit to anything. I said that Onitsha people feel more at home with other Igbos than with Bini people, just like any other Igbo group. The fact that you believe that Bini=Anioma is quite telling...

Ngozi123:


I didn't subtly admit to anything. I said that Onitsha people feel more at home with other Igbos than with Bini people, just like any other Igbo group. The fact that you believe that Bini=Anioma is quite telling...

bini not =Anioma but we were talking about Anioma/Igbo/Onitsha affinity and you chose to bring bini into the equation.

Abagworo:



If you read my post very well you will realize my suggestion is absolute dissociation. Go take a look at the recently rearranged Rivers State official website how the present Government of Nyesom Wike removed Igbo from the ethnic groups in Rivers State and added Ijaw. In reality there is no Ijaw in Rivers State but there are Igbos inhabiting Oyigbo LGA 99% and 3 Egbema villages in ONELGA. There are Igboid and Ijoid groups with Igboid inhabiting most of the upland and Ijoid inhabiting most of the Riverine. What is the motive behind this removal if not to annex Obigbo or deny the 3 Egbema villages their rights despite being responsible for most of the oil in ONELGA.

... This is too bad.However, The obigbo's, the Ohaji's and the Egbema's why are they not speaking against the non inclusion of them as an igbo ethnic groups in rivers state? Are the not igbos truly? Do they not know that their supposedly silence on this issue will be a precedence for the future. Where are the leadership of OHANAEZE Ndigbo on this issue? What is the stance of the governor's of the South East on this issue? Where are our cultural experts on this?

Ndigbo will continue to be "POLITICALLY CORRECT" until they loose so much in this country. Enough said!

Abagworo:



If you read my post very well you will realize my suggestion is absolute dissociation. Go take a look at the recently rearranged Rivers State official website how the present Government of Nyesom Wike removed Igbo from the ethnic groups in Rivers State and added Ijaw. In reality there is no Ijaw in Rivers State but there are Igbos inhabiting Oyigbo LGA 99% and 3 Egbema villages in ONELGA. There are Igboid and Ijoid groups with Igboid inhabiting most of the upland and Ijoid inhabiting most of the Riverine. What is the motive behind this removal if not to annex Obigbo or deny the 3 Egbema villages their rights despite being responsible for most of the oil in ONELGA.

That recent distortion of Rivers state website to remove Igbo totally from it and render Obigbo and Egbema persona non grata is the highest height of insult on us by Wike, Wike is shameless for doing that, and when the time is right, we will all make sure he pays for that.

This is ICT age, that change in Rivers state official website has not gone unnoticed. My Igbo online groups have been discussing that lately.

It's not bad enough that Oyigbo is totally neglected by Wike with no single road being constructed there, he would now seek to deny their presence in Rivers state.

Oyigbo LGA that contributes about 22,000bopd of crude oil, and three Egbema communities in Rivers produce about 22,000bopd as well, a combined total of 44,000bopd. Meanwhile the entire Ikwerre 3 and half LGAs produce just a total of 49,000bopd, yet Wike thinks he can treat Oyigbo and Egbema like this and go free without consequences.

Wike just took Ikwerre Igbophobia to a different level all together, and this has not gone unnoticed.

Newmanluckyman:
... This is too bad.However, The obigbo's, the Ohaji's and the Egbema's why are they not speaking against the non inclusion of them as an igbo ethnic groups in rivers state? Are the not igbos truly? Do they not know that their supposedly silence on this issue will be a precedence for the future. Where are the leadership of OHANAEZE Ndigbo on this issue? What is the stance of the governor's of the South East on this issue? Where are our cultural experts on this?

Ndigbo will continue to be "POLITICALLY CORRECT" until they loose so much in this country. Enough said!

What do you want them to do. They have been crying about their marginalization in Rivers state non stop. No good access road there. Even in Ndoki and Asa Facebook pages, there has been outcry against their marginalization in Rivers state.


There is even a thread about that in nairaland here.

Now, that we are on this issue, I think a thread should be opened to discuss the implications of the new distortion Wike made to that Rivers state official website.

Igboid:
Well, this Onitsha discussion escalated too fast.


If Anioma is just a political grouping, within the Igbo ethnic group, as envisaged by Osadebey, then Onitsha or any Igbo town East of the Niger is not Anioma.

But if we understand Anioma as a cultural group, United by migration story from Bini with Eze chime migration story being the biggest of them all, and by shared trado political leaning towards the Binis and also by ancestral links to Igbo towns west of the Niger, then we can comfortably include Eastern towns like Onitsha( the three Ezechima villages there) , Obosi( some villages in Obosi), Ndoni, Ogbaru, Oguta, Ora ifite into it.

But the second grouping is only possible, if Anioma remains an Igbo group.

I think that this is the source of the confusion here; this is what happens when you allow politics to interfere with cultural norms and values. When I refer to Anioma, I'm strictly referring to Anioma, the cultural group. The best thing about this distinction is that it separates those who are actually from the area and those who've done a quick Google search to fulfill their hidden agendas.

I'm from the outskirts of Onitsha, although I practically see myself as an Onitsha girl due to my background, and am actually from one of the places you've mentioned above but I can tell you whole heartedly that Onitsha people and people from its environs do not deny their Igbo heritage. That man is very vindictive; after saying that there are no Anioma people found outside of Delta State, he then went on to say that there are no Anioma people found outside of Edo, Delta or Onitsha. He then shifted his argument to saying that Onitsha people deny their Igbo heritage. I'm starting to lose count of all of these contradicting arguments .

Igboid:


What do you want them to do. They have been crying about their marginalization in Rivers state non stop. No good access road there. Even in Ndoki and Asa Facebook pages, there has been outcry against their marginalization in Rivers state.


There is even a thread about that in nairaland here.

Now, that we are on this issue, I think a thread should be opened to discuss the implications of the new distortion Wike made to that Rivers state official website.

... So even with this latest onslaught they should not speak out and at least reaffirmed their IGBONESS for the whole world to hear? What is as simple as ABCD than for them to release a PRESS STATEMENT at least let the world know that they are IGBOS. Marginalization has been on for so long but nothing is as wicked and devilish than for someone to rub you off your IDDENTITY. Let them declare to the world that they are IGBOS first. That's my message.

Abagworo:


What I've come to deduce is that Ika and Ukwuani people are fighting hard to influence Oshimili and Aniocha people with "Binimania" without success. Since Ika and Ndokwa have a sizeable population of Igbo deniers then Ndigbo should remove them from every Igbo organization. I've personally stopped sharing Igbo ideas with anybody that speaks Igbo but denies being Igbo long ago.

Yes, ika is trying to influence the Enuani people. We wrote their history for them and made majority of them claim bini origin. We forced them to say that Ezechime is an Edo man. We forced the newly crowned monarch Isele uku to go to Bini to pay homage to the Oba, a visit he described as a homecoming to the land of his ancestors,

We also forced the majority Enuani founders that founded most Anioma groups, Associations and organizations to distance from anything Igbo. We forced most Anioma groups and organizations including the individua Enuani l town groups to unanimously denounce Uwechue when he was made president of Ohaneze. Also go to Ibusa websites (one of the few Anioma towns that has Igbo origin ) and see how they distant themselves from Igbo. Not because they deny having Igbo origin, but for the fact they found themselves in Aniomaland and they know they are in Anioma land first before anything else.