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Re: If Jehovah Is Omnipresent, Where Was It When Eve Was Talking To The Snake? by analice107: 11:40pm On Sep 24, 2016
MrPresident1:
Sweerie, cool story cheesy grin kiss
Just an allusion horney. hayu doin?
Re: If Jehovah Is Omnipresent, Where Was It When Eve Was Talking To The Snake? by Nobody: 12:21am On Sep 25, 2016
analice107:
That's the point, "Winning arguments". Am not here to win at anything. To you, it's all about proving and disproving this and that, that's why as much as i have what to say to you, i feel laid back to do so.

Am not here to prove anything to you or anyone, and it doesn't really matter if you believe or not. The word of God stands sure.


This much i will say to you, and i will use an allusion to create a scenario to drive home my explanation.

Cast this images in your mind.

There was a young King who inherited his fathers throne. Before he could really settle to rule his kingdom, he needed a queen. And as King, everyone and everything under his domain was his for the taking. He could do anything at any time to anyone. It was all within his power.

Everyone will fall over himself to do his biddings. Everyone will give him anything to be in his good books and in his favour.
All the Noble men and women had raised their daughters as prospective queens, and now was when they fought to get their daughters to catch the King's eyes.

The King liked and treated them all nicely, but wanted Something else in his queen.

One, morning, the young King noticed a younger girl cleaning his personal chamber. Although she had been working as a cleaner in the palace, she had never come face to face with the king.

All through the time she did her chores, she never raise her head to look at the man sitting and reading, ahe wont know if he was the King or not. She noticed someone's presence, but she neither spoke or acted as though she knew. she finished her chores and left.

All through that week she went there to clean. Her diligence and the fact that she didn't mind if there was someone present intrigued the King, So every morning he will come and sit there waiting for her to come and clean.


He had fallen for this girl only because the girl didn't know him and was not excited that she was cleaning the Kings private chambers. She just did her work and left.

One night, he decided to investigate. He had silently watched her and had developed a liking for her. So he devised a means to know her better, but she must not know who he was.


He needed this girl, but how was he going to have this girl without the girl feeling and acting like he deserved her, without her feeling like a property to him?

Remember the "Coming to America kind of wife who was raised to like whatever the king liked?"

This king didn't want that kind of wife too.

He didn't want a woman who won't have a choice to refuse his love overtures.

He wanted a woman who will love and willingly want to be with him without feeling compelled to.

He wanted a woman who will say NO to him if she doesn't want him.

He wanted a woman who will not be a queen inside his private chambers but a friend and a wife and gisting mate.

He wanted a woman who will stand up to him and refuse him if she doesn't feel up to it.


One night, he devised an scheme. He snuck into the service quarters where the servants lived and took a pair of work clothes, at twilight, he disguised himself as a servant, and monitored the girl when she closed from work.

From a distance he followed and traced her home. She turned out to be an only Child of a very poor couple living in the outskirt of town. Her father was sick and dying, her mother had to stay home to tend him, so she had to work to fend for the family.

He befriended her without her knowing who he was. Her parents liked his manners and courtesy. All along, like a servant he presented himself to them. He proposed marriage and she accepted.
On their wedding day was when he revealed himself to her and his queen to the Kingdom. At this point, the girl was genuinely in love him, but still had the chance to walk away, for he made it clear to her long before then that he could take rejection.


The young king is Christ, the bride or young girl is you, the kingdom is the world.

To every normal thinking person, her status are not befitting of a queen, but the master wants her anyway. And she had the choice of saying No to the king.


Now she knows who her husband is, Now she, she had the choice of staying and becoming queen or leave and go back to her penury.

The choice and responsibility is hers.

Now, i need you to look inside this allusion or scenario and see FREEWILL AND RESPONSIBILITY at play.


Freewill comes with responsibilities. A choice to either say yes or no.

As much as God loves you, and wants to save you, he can not thrust himself at you just because he has the power to. You have a responsibility to accept to come or say no and stay there.

He needs you to feel the need to personally, willingly, consciously and responsibly come.

When you come without being compelled, you'd stay. irrespective of the turbulence that shall arise later, you'd stay.

God loves you, but wants you to love him back just the same way.

btw; don't feel the need to compete with me in this argument. In every way, you are better than i am. You are an atheist anyway.
Ah . . . this is much. sad

I'm not trying to compete with you. I've said this much before. As an added courtesy, Every reply I make will be as polite as possible. I guess I'm feeling like a good person today. cheesy

OK, here's my response, in your reply, you made it clear that the King is God, and the girl is . . . Humans . . .? anyway, now, you said the king wanted a wife who would have these qualities.

He didn't want a woman who won't have a choice to refuse his love overtures.

He wanted a woman who will love and willingly want to be with him without feeling compelled to.

He wanted a woman who will say NO to him if she doesn't want him.

He wanted a woman who will not be a queen inside his private chambers but a friend and a wife and gisting mate.

He wanted a woman who will stand up to him and refuse him if she doesn't feel up to it.
Can you honestly say that this is what God wants from human kind? from what I see, what God wants is far different. Let us assume that the King was a more accurate description of the biblical God. Then, the king would more realistically want:

A woman who would obey his every command without hesitation.

A woman who would fear him.

A woman who would hate his "enemies" with ferocity.

A woman who wouldn't dare to stand up to him or refuse him. Regardless of what she was feeling like.

A woman who wouldn't say no to him.

A woman who would praise and worship him once a week

A woman who would willing tell others how awesome and cool he was.
I know the God isn't like the King you described. If he was, The story would go more like this.



And as soon as the king noticed the girl and liked her, he immediately went to her father's house, dressed like a servant and told her parents to give their daughter to him with all their hearts or he would have them burnt at the stake.

They were furious at his audacity and they cast him out with disgrace. He then promised to return. That if they refused to give him the daughter, they, including the daughter, would perish at the stake. reminding them that the choice . . . in the end, was theirs.

He wasn't forcing anyone. All he did was to love their daughter unconditionally and he would do nothing to hurt her . . . as long as his conditions were met.



But hey, we both digress. this wasn't about God's intentions. This is about Free will. But I guess we first have to Put this down:

Do you agree to the following?

1. If it didn't matter what you did, if . . . whatever you did, had a happy ending, or at least, a reasonable ending, then free will would be a good thing. Because no matter what you did, you had nothing to be afraid of.

2. But if there were some courses of action that you could take that would lead to a very terrible ending, then free will would be a bad Idea. Because you would have to limit its use. Hence, the reward of using it, would be equal to the risk of using it wrongly.

3. Even worse, If there was only ONE course of action that you could take that would lead to a good ending, and everything else was literally Hell, then free will would be a curse. Because just by having free will, you are in danger. The only way to survive is to completely abandon free will and behave like a robot, follow one course of action.

So is it then profitable to have free will, when the only way to survive is to NOT use free will? for example, I have a parable of mine.

[b]A king once ordered that beautiful castles be built for all the poor inhabitants of his kingdom. After it was built, The king ordered that the inhabitants must use only one room. If they entered or used any other room, They were to immediately go to the nearest knight and apologize. If they were caught in another room besides the room they had to stay in, they would be burnt at the stake.

The king was deemed unwise. For what was the point of building an entire castle if only one room was sufficient? Why had he now endangered the lives of his inhabitants by imprisoning them in their castles?
He was asked. He refused to answer, his loyal servants were asked, they either refused to answer, or violently attacked.

Yet the king insists he is loving and compassionate. He burns several people daily. While walking around his magnificent castle. from room to room. He insists he is fair. Right alongside his advisors. Who do not posses castles, but rather single rooms and are hence in no danger of the fire.

"Who can find out how and why the king is loving? is there something else we do not know? Why castles? what is the point?" So have many people demanded. Many, just before being lit on fire in the King's backyard.
[/b]

From this you can see we think differently, I hate parables anyway. I don't know if you understand my own thinking, but I'm asking how my thinking is . . . wrong; how free will . . . coupled with the dangers of it, is a benefit to human kind.
Re: If Jehovah Is Omnipresent, Where Was It When Eve Was Talking To The Snake? by analice107: 12:44am On Sep 25, 2016
Teempakguy:
Ah . . . this is much. sad

I'm not trying to compete with you. I've said this much before. As an added courtesy, Every reply I make will be as polite as possible. I guess I'm feeling like a good person today. cheesy

OK, here's my response, in your reply, you made it clear that the King is God, and the girl is . . . Humans . . .? anyway, now, you said the king wanted a wife who would have these qualities.

Can you honestly say that this is what God wants from human kind? from what I see, what God wants is far different. Let us assume that the King was a more accurate description of the biblical God. Then, the king would more realistically want:



I know the God isn't like the King you described. If he was, The story would go more like this.



And as soon as the king noticed the girl and liked her, he immediately went to her father's house, dressed like a servant and told her parents to give their daughter to him with all their hearts or he would have them burnt at the stake.

They were furious at his audacity and they cast him out with disgrace. He then promised to return. That if they refused to give him the daughter, they, including the daughter, would perish at the stake. reminding them that the choice . . . in the end, was theirs.

He wasn't forcing anyone. All he did was to love their daughter unconditionally and he would do nothing to hurt her . . . as long as his conditions were met.



But hey, we both digress. this wasn't about God's intentions. This is about Free will. But I guess we first have to Put this down:

Do you agree to the following?

1. If it didn't matter what you did, if . . . whatever you did, had a happy ending, or at least, a reasonable ending, then free will would be a good thing. Because no matter what you did, you had nothing to be afraid of.

2. But if there were some courses of action that you could take that would lead to a very terrible ending, then free will would be a bad Idea. Because you would have to limit its use. Hence, the reward of using it, would be equal to the risk of using it wrongly.

3. Even worse, If there was only ONE course of action that you could take that would lead to a good ending, and everything else was literally Hell, then free will would be a curse. Because just by having free will, you are in danger. The only way to survive is to completely abandon free will and behave like a robot, follow one course of action.

So is it then profitable to have free will, when the only way to survive is to NOT use free will? for example, I have a parable of mine.

[b]A king once ordered that beautiful castles be built for all the poor inhabitants of his kingdom. After it was built, The king ordered that the inhabitants must use only one room. If they entered or used any other room, They were to immediately go to the nearest knight and apologize. If they were caught in another room besides the room they had to stay in, they would be burnt at the stake.

The king was deemed unwise. For what was the point of building an entire castle if only one room was sufficient? Why had he now endangered the lives of his inhabitants by imprisoning them in their castles?
He was asked. He refused to answer, his loyal servants were asked, they either refused to answer, or violently attacked.

Yet the king insists he is loving and compassionate. He burns several people daily. While walking around his magnificent castle. from room to room. He insists he is fair. Right alongside his advisors. Who do not posses castles, but rather single rooms and are hence in no danger of the fire.

"Who can find out how and why the king is loving? is there something else we do not know? Why castles? what is the point?" So have many people demanded. Many, just before being lit on fire in the King's backyard.
[/b]

From this you can see we think differently, I hate parables anyway. I don't know if you understand my own thinking, but I'm asking how my thinking is . . . wrong; how free will . . . coupled with the dangers of it, is a benefit to human kind.
What are the dangers of Freewill? You want to live as you like without responsibilities right? Well, that's aiight, enjoy.

You are a scorner, but its okay.
Am glad you have a position you'd stand to petition the Only Potentate. Prepare.
Re: If Jehovah Is Omnipresent, Where Was It When Eve Was Talking To The Snake? by hopefulLandlord: 12:56am On Sep 25, 2016
Teempakguy:
Ah . . . this is much. sad

I'm not trying to compete with you. I've said this much before. As an added courtesy, Every reply I make will be as polite as possible. I guess I'm feeling like a good person today. cheesy

OK, here's my response, in your reply, you made it clear that the King is God, and the girl is . . . Humans . . .? anyway, now, you said the king wanted a wife who would have these qualities.

Can you honestly say that this is what God wants from human kind? from what I see, what God wants is far different. Let us assume that the King was a more accurate description of the biblical God. Then, the king would more realistically want:



I know the God isn't like the King you described. If he was, The story would go more like this.



And as soon as the king noticed the girl and liked her, he immediately went to her father's house, dressed like a servant and told her parents to give their daughter to him with all their hearts or he would have them burnt at the stake.

They were furious at his audacity and they cast him out with disgrace. He then promised to return. That if they refused to give him the daughter, they, including the daughter, would perish at the stake. reminding them that the choice . . . in the end, was theirs.

He wasn't forcing anyone. All he did was to love their daughter unconditionally and he would do nothing to hurt her . . . as long as his conditions were met.



But hey, we both digress. this wasn't about God's intentions. This is about Free will. But I guess we first have to Put this down:

Do you agree to the following?

1. If it didn't matter what you did, if . . . whatever you did, had a happy ending, or at least, a reasonable ending, then free will would be a good thing. Because no matter what you did, you had nothing to be afraid of.

2. But if there were some courses of action that you could take that would lead to a very terrible ending, then free will would be a bad Idea. Because you would have to limit its use. Hence, the reward of using it, would be equal to the risk of using it wrongly.

3. Even worse, If there was only ONE course of action that you could take that would lead to a good ending, and everything else was literally Hell, then free will would be a curse. Because just by having free will, you are in danger. The only way to survive is to completely abandon free will and behave like a robot, follow one course of action.

So is it then profitable to have free will, when the only way to survive is to NOT use free will? for example, I have a parable of mine.

[b]A king once ordered that beautiful castles be built for all the poor inhabitants of his kingdom. After it was built, The king ordered that the inhabitants must use only one room. If they entered or used any other room, They were to immediately go to the nearest knight and apologize. If they were caught in another room besides the room they had to stay in, they would be burnt at the stake.

The king was deemed unwise. For what was the point of building an entire castle if only one room was sufficient? Why had he now endangered the lives of his inhabitants by imprisoning them in their castles?
He was asked. He refused to answer, his loyal servants were asked, they either refused to answer, or violently attacked.

Yet the king insists he is loving and compassionate. He burns several people daily. While walking around his magnificent castle. from room to room. He insists he is fair. Right alongside his advisors. Who do not posses castles, but rather single rooms and are hence in no danger of the fire.

"Who can find out how and why the king is loving? is there something else we do not know? Why castles? what is the point?" So have many people demanded. Many, just before being lit on fire in the King's backyard.
[/b]

From this you can see we think differently, I hate parables anyway. I don't know if you understand my own thinking, but I'm asking how my thinking is . . . wrong; how free will . . . coupled with the dangers of it, is a benefit to human kind.
very deep

so deep, I'll click "share"

hope I have the license to use these wise and well thought out words of yours?
Re: If Jehovah Is Omnipresent, Where Was It When Eve Was Talking To The Snake? by felixomor: 4:35am On Sep 25, 2016
hahn:
In Genesis, Lucifer comes and speaks to Eve in the garden of Eden. Since Jehovah is everywhere, where was it when this was happening? If it was there and chose not to intervene knowing Eve was too naive to outsmart Lucifer, why didn't it come in and stop Lucifer?

And if it let Lucifer have his way, why did it bother cursing Adam and Eve and all their generations for eternity?

Does this mean that Jehovah deliberately wanted Adam and Eve to fall and then punish them for it's own reasons?

An all powerful God should be able to do everything to ensure that it doesn't have to see it's children punished over something it could avoid. Don't you think?

Mature opinions please
Look at the clown liar again.

So u r pre-occupied with and talking about Jehovah today as usual.

I thought u said u only talk about Zeus?

U r a pathetic LIAR...

......SMH shocked
Re: If Jehovah Is Omnipresent, Where Was It When Eve Was Talking To The Snake? by MrPresident1: 7:24am On Sep 25, 2016
2 Chronicles 24:19
19 Yet he sent prophets to them, to bring them again unto the Lord; and they testified against them: but they would not give ear.


Lennycool:
What an active imagination but I'm sure a lot of the theist on this site will disagree with your reasoning that the Adam and Eve story was not meant to be taken literally. Even if this was allegorical as you say, the fact that God wasn't omniscient is still present and contradicting, so how do you explain that?
That story did not occur in a forthnight, it occured over eons even though it was summarised over one or 2 chapters. The Bible is written end from begining, and Moses was only showing the devolution of Israel (Negroes) what was bound to happen to them if they succumbed to idolatry.

God sent many prophets to warn them of their idolatrous ways and the need for them to repent from it, but Israel would not listen until she was cast out of the promised land aka the Garden of Eden which is in the middle east from lebanon to the Euphrates and beyond.
Re: If Jehovah Is Omnipresent, Where Was It When Eve Was Talking To The Snake? by MrPresident1: 7:48am On Sep 25, 2016
analice107:
Just an allusion horney. hayu doin?
I am fine dearie, trust you are too grin

You making mincemeat of scorners and scoffers baby kiss, and rightly so they will soon stand before THE ONLY POTENTATE to present their case wink
Re: If Jehovah Is Omnipresent, Where Was It When Eve Was Talking To The Snake? by realmindz: 8:19am On Sep 25, 2016
analice107:
That's the point, "Winning arguments". Am not here to win at anything. To you, it's all about proving and disproving this and that, that's why as much as i have what to say to you, i feel laid back to do so.

Am not here to prove anything to you or anyone, and it doesn't really matter if you believe or not. The word of God stands sure.


This much i will say to you, and i will use an allusion to create a scenario to drive home my explanation.

Cast this images in your mind.

There was a young King who inherited his fathers throne. Before he could really settle to rule his kingdom, he needed a queen. And as King, everyone and everything under his domain was his for the taking. He could do anything at any time to anyone. It was all within his power.

Everyone will fall over himself to do his biddings. Everyone will give him anything to be in his good books and in his favour.
All the Noble men and women had raised their daughters as prospective queens, and now was when they fought to get their daughters to catch the King's eyes.

The King liked and treated them all nicely, but wanted Something else in his queen.

One, morning, the young King noticed a younger girl cleaning his personal chamber. Although she had been working as a cleaner in the palace, she had never come face to face with the king.

All through the time she did her chores, she never raise her head to look at the man sitting and reading, ahe wont know if he was the King or not. She noticed someone's presence, but she neither spoke or acted as though she knew. she finished her chores and left.

All through that week she went there to clean. Her diligence and the fact that she didn't mind if there was someone present intrigued the King, So every morning he will come and sit there waiting for her to come and clean.


He had fallen for this girl only because the girl didn't know him and was not excited that she was cleaning the Kings private chambers. She just did her work and left.

One night, he decided to investigate. He had silently watched her and had developed a liking for her. So he devised a means to know her better, but she must not know who he was.


He needed this girl, but how was he going to have this girl without the girl feeling and acting like he deserved her, without her feeling like a property to him?

Remember the "Coming to America kind of wife who was raised to like whatever the king liked?"

This king didn't want that kind of wife too.

He didn't want a woman who won't have a choice to refuse his love overtures.

He wanted a woman who will love and willingly want to be with him without feeling compelled to.

He wanted a woman who will say NO to him if she doesn't want him.

He wanted a woman who will not be a queen inside his private chambers but a friend and a wife and gisting mate.

He wanted a woman who will stand up to him and refuse him if she doesn't feel up to it.


One night, he devised an scheme. He snuck into the service quarters where the servants lived and took a pair of work clothes, at twilight, he disguised himself as a servant, and monitored the girl when she closed from work.

From a distance he followed and traced her home. She turned out to be an only Child of a very poor couple living in the outskirt of town. Her father was sick and dying, her mother had to stay home to tend him, so she had to work to fend for the family.

He befriended her without her knowing who he was. Her parents liked his manners and courtesy. All along, like a servant he presented himself to them. He proposed marriage and she accepted.
On their wedding day was when he revealed himself to her and his queen to the Kingdom. At this point, the girl was genuinely in love him, but still had the chance to walk away, for he made it clear to her long before then that he could take rejection.


The young king is Christ, the bride or young girl is you, the kingdom is the world.

To every normal thinking person, her status are not befitting of a queen, but the master wants her anyway. And she had the choice of saying No to the king.


Now she knows who her husband is, Now she, she had the choice of staying and becoming queen or leave and go back to her penury.

The choice and responsibility is hers.

Now, i need you to look inside this allusion or scenario and see FREEWILL AND RESPONSIBILITY at play.


Freewill comes with responsibilities. A choice to either say yes or no.

As much as God loves you, and wants to save you, he can not thrust himself at you just because he has the power to. You have a responsibility to accept to come or say no and stay there.

He needs you to feel the need to personally, willingly, consciously and responsibly come.

When you come without being compelled, you'd stay. irrespective of the turbulence that shall arise later, you'd stay.

God loves you, but wants you to love him back just the same way.

btw; don't feel the need to compete with me in this argument. In every way, you are better than i am. You are an atheist anyway.
All these stories just to give explanation for your delusions and excuses for the inconsistencies of your unexplainable beliefs...

Christians and stories be like......* u knw d picture* grin
Re: If Jehovah Is Omnipresent, Where Was It When Eve Was Talking To The Snake? by realmindz: 8:21am On Sep 25, 2016
felixomor:
Look at the clown liar again.
So u r pre-occupied with and talking about Jehovah today as usual.
I thought u said u only talk about Zeus?
U r a pathetic LIAR...
......SMH shocked
Now I understand why u are deluded...
religion is a game for the simple minds...
Re: If Jehovah Is Omnipresent, Where Was It When Eve Was Talking To The Snake? by felixomor: 9:56am On Sep 25, 2016
realmindz:
Now I understand why u are deluded...

religion is a game for the simple minds...
Yes.
I agree.
Afterall, ur foolishness is a complex type grin
Re: If Jehovah Is Omnipresent, Where Was It When Eve Was Talking To The Snake? by Nobody: 10:01am On Sep 25, 2016
hopefulLandlord:
very deep

so deep, I'll click "share"

hope I have the license to use these wise and well thought out words of yours?
its just how I feel.

And yeah, anyone is free to use them. smiley
Re: If Jehovah Is Omnipresent, Where Was It When Eve Was Talking To The Snake? by stokfrick: 10:06am On Sep 25, 2016
Freewill is a gift from God and whenever u gift off sth, u allow the recipient to use it however he or she pleases
Re: If Jehovah Is Omnipresent, Where Was It When Eve Was Talking To The Snake? by hahn(op): 10:41am On Sep 25, 2016
felixomor:
Look at the clown liar again.

So u r pre-occupied with and talking about Jehovah today as usual.

I thought u said u only talk about Zeus?

U r a pathetic LIAR...

......SMH shocked
Did you sell your brain? undecided
Re: If Jehovah Is Omnipresent, Where Was It When Eve Was Talking To The Snake? by hahn(op): 10:43am On Sep 25, 2016
stokfrick:
Freewill is a gift from God and whenever u gift off sth, u allow the recipient to use it however he or she pleases
You obviously do not know the meaning of freewill.

Imagine your father says, "you can go to any school you want but it must be in Lagos". Is that free will?

Then your father says, "if you choose any school outside Lagos, I will burn and torture for eternity".

Is that free will? undecided
Re: If Jehovah Is Omnipresent, Where Was It When Eve Was Talking To The Snake? by realmindz: 10:44am On Sep 25, 2016
felixomor:
Yes. I agree. Afterall, ur foolishness is a complex type grin
lol, funny
Re: If Jehovah Is Omnipresent, Where Was It When Eve Was Talking To The Snake? by felixomor: 1:10pm On Sep 25, 2016
hahn:
Did you sell your brain? undecided
Abi,
So as to buy your lies. cool

*Yinmu*

A liar is a liar.
Re: If Jehovah Is Omnipresent, Where Was It When Eve Was Talking To The Snake? by analice107: 2:29pm On Sep 25, 2016
realmindz:
All these stories just to give explanation for your delusions and excuses for the inconsistencies of your unexplainable beliefs...

Christians and stories be like......* u knw d picture* grin
If what you typed up there came from someone with some sense, i would've given it a thought, but coming from, i throw it into the trash.
Re: If Jehovah Is Omnipresent, Where Was It When Eve Was Talking To The Snake? by analice107: 2:33pm On Sep 25, 2016
MrPresident1:
I am fine dearie, trust you are too grin

You making mincemeat of scorners and scoffers baby kiss, and rightly so they will soon stand before THE ONLY POTENTATE to present their case wink
I really feel for these folks. Hmm if they know what awaits them.

How was service today?
Re: If Jehovah Is Omnipresent, Where Was It When Eve Was Talking To The Snake? by MrPresident1: 4:32pm On Sep 25, 2016
analice107:
I really feel for these folks. Hmm if they know what awaits them.

How was service today?
Service was cool, we had a joint service today, twas really cool. Howdy, how was service too?
Re: If Jehovah Is Omnipresent, Where Was It When Eve Was Talking To The Snake? by analice107: 4:56pm On Sep 25, 2016
MrPresident1:
Service was cool, we had a joint service today, twas really cool. Howdy, how was service too?
There is never a dull moment in Living Faith.
Re: If Jehovah Is Omnipresent, Where Was It When Eve Was Talking To The Snake? by MrPresident1: 5:07pm On Sep 25, 2016
analice107:
There is never a dull moment in Living Faith.
I used to attend Living Faith a while ago grin.

My people will be free, the Giver of freedom is on the way, all who enslaved them will be enslaved grin
Re: If Jehovah Is Omnipresent, Where Was It When Eve Was Talking To The Snake? by analice107: 5:30pm On Sep 25, 2016
MrPresident1:
I used to attend Living Faith a while ago grin.

My people will be free, the Giver of freedom is on the way, all who enslaved them will be enslaved grin
Oh Yeah? Where are you now. GKS?
Re: If Jehovah Is Omnipresent, Where Was It When Eve Was Talking To The Snake? by MrPresident1: 5:34pm On Sep 25, 2016
analice107:
Oh Yeah? Where are you now. GKS?
Hahahahahahaha grin grin

GKS ko, O.O.O ni cheesy
Re: If Jehovah Is Omnipresent, Where Was It When Eve Was Talking To The Snake? by analice107: 6:08pm On Sep 25, 2016
MrPresident1:
Hahahahahahaha grin grin
GKS ko, O.O.O ni cheesy
Where nah
Re: If Jehovah Is Omnipresent, Where Was It When Eve Was Talking To The Snake? by HardMirror(m): 6:50pm On Sep 25, 2016
hahn:
In Genesis, Lucifer comes and speaks to Eve in the garden of Eden. Since Jehovah is everywhere, where was it when this was happening? If it was there and chose not to intervene knowing Eve was too naive to outsmart Lucifer, why didn't it come in and stop Lucifer?

And if it let Lucifer have his way, why did it bother cursing Adam and Eve and all their generations for eternity?

Does this mean that Jehovah deliberately wanted Adam and Eve to fall and then punish them for it's own reasons?

An all powerful God should be able to do everything to ensure that it doesn't have to see it's children punished over something it could avoid. Don't you think?

Mature opinions please
The defenders of God will create excuses for it don't worry.
Re: If Jehovah Is Omnipresent, Where Was It When Eve Was Talking To The Snake? by realmindz: 8:22pm On Sep 25, 2016
analice107:
If what you typed up there came from someone with some sense, i would've given it a thought, but coming from, i throw it into the trash.
little minds delighting in exchange of words, oh ye defender of yaweh, simple in mind and poor in spirit head
Re: If Jehovah Is Omnipresent, Where Was It When Eve Was Talking To The Snake? by HardMirror(m): 9:13pm On Sep 25, 2016
Lennycool:
See how you contradict yourself, he sent the great flood(no scientific proof of the flood) to wipe out mankind even though he knew they would sin before he created them, so why the flood? Wouldn't that go against their free will to do what they wanted.
A flood that did not even make the world a better place
Re: If Jehovah Is Omnipresent, Where Was It When Eve Was Talking To The Snake? by Nobody: 11:44pm On Sep 25, 2016
analice107:
What are the dangers of Freewill? You want to live as you like without responsibilities right? Well, that's aiight, enjoy.

You are a scorner, but its okay.
Am glad you have a position you'd stand to petition the Only Potentate. Prepare.
I honestly don't understand why I'm being called a scorner right now. You should see my scorning tone. It's way more awesome than this cuddling I'm doing right now.

Anyway, Here is the danger of free will.

The more you use free will, the higher your chances of ending up in hell. #fact.

I'll go even further to assert that there is only one way to make heaven. And that is to do everything Yahweh wants you to do. Exactly like a Robot.

And oh, if I wanted to live my life how I wanted, I'd be in prison right now as a nymphomaniac alcoholic. But I'm not. That's because I don't hate responsibilities. I just want you to answer my questions. This has dragged on long enough.
Re: If Jehovah Is Omnipresent, Where Was It When Eve Was Talking To The Snake? by Nobody: 4:53am On Sep 26, 2016
Scorn mode ON* this post just blew my top off
secure:
God created us for his own purpose n his alone..... He created us to serve him..... He own us.....

Whatever he does.... Nobody can question him.......

After creating us.... He gave us ability to do anything we want with the exception that you must acknowledge him as the only true God....... Anything oda Dan dat is punishment...

As I said..... God is both Good n Evil.......

If you think...... God is only Good u r wrong

God is 100% Good n also 100% Evil......

He is 100% Good to dose who follow him

N

Extremely wicked to those who disobey him


That is how he has been n will continue to be......


Believe that.......
analice107, Does this ring a bell?

Can you honestly say that this is what God wants from human kind? from what I see, what God wants is far different. Let us assume that the King was a more accurate description of the biblical God. Then, the king would more realistically want:


A woman who would obey his every command without hesitation.

A woman who would fear him.

A woman who would hate his "enemies" with ferocity.

A woman who wouldn't dare to stand up to him or refuse him. Regardless of what she was feeling like.

A woman who wouldn't say no to him.

A woman who would praise and worship him once a week

A woman who would willing tell others how awesome and cool he was.
I understand if you feel like you have to offer yourselves as slaves to an imaginary God for a promise of hope. It might be in the genes. But don't think for a second that others will buy into the same foolishness.

This is what you said God wanted;
He didn't want a woman who won't have a choice to refuse his love overtures.

He wanted a woman who will love and willingly want to be with him without feeling compelled to.

He wanted a woman who will say NO to him if she doesn't want him.

He wanted a woman who will not be a queen inside his private chambers but a friend and a wife and gisting mate.

He wanted a woman who will stand up to him and refuse him if she doesn't feel up to it.
It turns out to be a blatant, bold faced lie. All the "KING" wants is worldwide slavery. You say he offers us a choice? Well, There are different kind of choices. Some choices can only come from psychopaths. for example,

"give me your money or forfeit your life" , "You shall allow me to have sex with you willingly or I will blow your brains out." , "You must do everything I ask you to do, or I will throw you in a fire forever."

All similarly impossible choices. Yet some people have been brainwashed to think that one is the fairest choice ever made. Craziness unleashed.


Ahh . . . The way you people behave is naturally upsetting and annoying. undecided
Re: If Jehovah Is Omnipresent, Where Was It When Eve Was Talking To The Snake? by MrPresident1: 12:39pm On Sep 26, 2016
analice107:
Where nah
Agun wiwe olon ton cheesy grin
Re: If Jehovah Is Omnipresent, Where Was It When Eve Was Talking To The Snake? by analice107: 4:17pm On Sep 26, 2016
Teempakguy:
Scorn mode ON* this post just blew my top offanalice107, Does this ring a bell?



I understand if you feel like you have to offer yourselves as slaves to an imaginary God for a promise of hope. It might be in the genes. But don't think for a second that others will buy into the same foolishness.

This is what you said God wanted;
It turns out to be a blatant, bold faced lie. All the "KING" wants is worldwide slavery. You say he offers us a choice? Well, There are different kind of choices. Some choices can only come from psychopaths. for example,

"give me your money or forfeit your life" , "You shall allow me to have sex with you willingly or I will blow your brains out." , "You must do everything I ask you to do, or I will throw you in a fire forever."

All similarly impossible choices. Yet some people have been brainwashed to think that one is the fairest choice ever made. Craziness unleashed.


Ahh . . . The way you people behave is naturally upsetting and annoying. undecided
I will leave you to your schemes. Goodluck.
Re: If Jehovah Is Omnipresent, Where Was It When Eve Was Talking To The Snake? by analice107: 4:24pm On Sep 26, 2016
Teempakguy:
I honestly don't understand why I'm being called a scorner right now. You should see my scorning tone. It's way more awesome than this cuddling I'm doing right now.

Anyway, Here is the danger of free will.

The more you use free will, the higher your chances of ending up in hell. #fact.

I'll go even further to assert that there is only one way to make heaven. And that is to do everything Yahweh wants you to do. Exactly like a Robot.

And oh, if I wanted to live my life how I wanted, I'd be in prison right now as a nymphomaniac alcoholic. But I'm not. That's because I don't hate responsibilities. I just want you to answer my questions. This has dragged on long enough.
Its okay, You have chosen your path, tread on.
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