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SirWere:
Correct me if I'm wrong, but most Religious belief still hold that God is still ACTIVE in this universe.

Yes, yes, he is spirit and all but he still performs wonderous works like before right?


Therefore, in a quest to gain more knowledge about the universe; should we not seek to gain more knowledge about such a creator?

To inquire exactly how he did it and the processes involved



And now; if proofs emerge that the actual truth of something is this and NOT as the holy books say it ( say; the earth is flat or the world being created in 7 days or Plants before sun); and assumed "facts" which are obviously not possible; (the sun stopping for a day or a flood wiping out every inhavbitants) One would have to question whether or not such feats actually occured. One would wonder even; whether such a creator occurs.



Luckily; science explains phenomena previously attributed to God(s). That's why most atheists like its principle.

We are not talking about what people think about God, we are talking about what God should really be with God logics of realities!

When we talk about God in arguments like this, we are probably talking about A CREATOR. That's why when people call God an "invisible sky daddy", I simply see it as foolishness. Because an invisible SKY(under physical realm) daddy CANNOT be God.

For there to be a cause(creator) and an effect(creation), the cause(creator) must be SUPREME to it's effect(creation).

So because science explains phenomena previously attributed to God(s), then THERE IS NO GOD??

Bro, the delusion is thickening!

promisechuks:
We are not talking about what people think about God, we are talking about what God should really be with God logics of realities!

When we talk about God in arguments like this, we are probably talking about A CREATOR. That's why when people call God an "invisible sky daddy", I simply see it as foolishness. Because an invisible SKY(under physical realm) daddy CANNOT be God.

For there to be a cause(creator) and an effect(creation), the cause(creator) must be SUPREME to it's effect(creation).

So because science explains phenomena previously attributed to God(s), then THERE IS NO GOD??

Bro, the delusion is thickening!

It really is.

promisechuks:
We are not talking about what people think about God, we are talking about what God should really be with God logics of realities!

When we talk about God in arguments like this, we are probably talking about A CREATOR. That's why when people call God an "invisible sky daddy", I simply see it as foolishness. Because an invisible SKY(under physical realm) daddy CANNOT be God.

I see. So you have a different view on who God is?? I'm willing to hear.

For there to be a cause(creator) and an effect(creation), the cause(creator) must be SUPREME to it's effect(creation).

You have made two axioms here.

1) Everything was created

2) The creator is supreme to the created.

Problem is; those two axioms are full of holes and flaws.

1) Some thing (as far as we know) cannot be created nor destroyed; Energy, for instance. Also; the word "create" implies purposeful guidance. If we use this term; then we can also say some thing were definitely not "created" Formation of stars and planets, for example

2) SIMPLE EXAMPLE: NUCLEAR WEAPONS

So because science explains phenomena previously attributed to God(s), then THERE IS NO GOD??

Bro, the delusion is thickening!

Get my point bro; i didn't say it proves there is no God. What I mean is that it reduces the "god did it" box even smaller.

DoctorAlien:
The fact that GOD is not a part of the Universe should tell you that His existence cannot be proved by employing skeptical empiricism.

Then you are agnostic, like me.

[quote author=winner01 post=49835774][/quote]#1 cannot be demonstrated positively.

Even if all of them are true, suppose this creator died in the Big Bang explosion.

onetrack:
Then you are agnostic, like me.

No. I'm a Bible-believing Christian.

DoctorAlien:
No. I'm a Bible-believing Christian.

Have you read about Elijah and the Baal worshippers? How do you reconcile that story with your own 21st Century refusal to provide material evidence in this our material realm?

Weah96:
Have you read about Elijah and the Baal worshippers? How do you reconcile that story with your own 21st Century refusal to provide material evidence in this our material realm?

The truth is that even if GOD came down and stood before you to tell you that He exists, you would dismiss that occurrence as mere hallucination.

Weah96,

Moreover, the devil can counterfeit all the miracles you may want me to do to prove to you that GOD exists. He even makes fire come down from Heaven, like Elijah did.(Rev. 13:13)

So, miracles are not a proof of the presence of GOD.

DoctorAlien:
Weah96,

Moreover, the devil can counterfeit all the miracles you may want me to do to prove to you that GOD exists. He even makes fire come down from Heaven, like Elijah did.(Rev. 13:13)

So, miracles are not a proof of the presence of GOD.

Excuses, excuses. So you're basically saying that Elijah may have collaborated with the devil because the origin of a miracle can NEVER be verified? How do we know the identity of the person who has been calling down fire since antiquity?

Weah96:
Excuses, excuses. So you're basically saying that Elijah may have collaborated with the devil because the origin of a miracle can NEVER be verified? How do we know the identity of the person who has been calling down fire since antiquity?

I never said so. Are you trying to make a strawman of my argument?

Elijah, by the power of GOD, called down fire from Heaven. Devil can call down fire from heaven too.

Is this too hard to understand?

Moreover if you doubt that Elijah did that by the power of GOD in him as the Bible says, why do you even believe the Bible at all when it says Elijah called down fire from Heaven?

DoctorAlien:
The truth is that even if GOD came down and stood before you to tell you that He exists, you would dismiss that occurrence as mere hallucination.

But the choice is mine to make, not yours. What I do know, from experience, is that human beings are full of sh8t, from the emperors down to the governors. Human beings are motivated by self interest and things surrounding self interest, like safety of family members. We love money and crave womanliness.
Any message from a possible creator must come from it. I will listen to dogs speak before I entertain your message from the creator to me.

DoctorAlien:
I never said so. Are you trying to make a strawman of my argument?

Elijah, by the power of GOD, called down fire from Heaven. Devil can call down fire from heaven too.

So the Baal worshippers worked for someone other than the devil? I don't get what you're saying.
Elijah picked a miracle that he knew the devil could have performed?

Weah96:
But the choice is mine to make, not yours. What I do know, from experience, is that human beings are full of sh8t, from the emperors down to the governors. Human beings are motivated by self interest and things surrounding self interest, like safety of family members. We love money and crave womanliness.
Any message from a possible creator must come from it. I will listen to dogs speak before I entertain your message from the creator to me.

Don't generalise it. Everybody is not like you.

That does it then. You need no proof of the Creator's existence. You've made up your mind that He does not exist.

So, why bother yourself?

Weah96:
So the Baal worshippers worked for someone other than the devil? I don't get what you're saying.
Elijah picked a miracle that he knew the devil could have performed?

It seems something is wrong with your sense of understanding.

Maybe, when you're ready to reason straight, you call me.

Bye.

DoctorAlien:
Don't generalise it. Everybody is not like you.

That does it then. You need no proof of the Creator's existence. You've made up your mind that He does not exist.

So, why bother yourself?

You don't know how to argue. It was you who predicted that an appearance by the bible creator will be greeted as a hallucination by me. And then you called Elijah a f.ool or a scam artist who employed an ambiguous miracle. What that means is that you don't believe that your bible creator can provide enough evidence to convince me, his supposed product. It's like you perceive some shortcomings in his abilities. How can a human dismiss his potential creator as hallucination? Are you okay?

Weah96:
You don't know how to argue. It was you who predicted that an appearance by the bible creator will greeted as a hallucination by me. And then you called Elijah a f.ool or a scam artist who employed an ambiguous miracle. What that means is that you don't believe that your bible creator can provide enough evidence to convince me, his supposed product. It's like you see perceive some shortcomings in his abilities. How can a human dismiss his potential creator as hallucination? Are you okay?

Okay. Bye.

DoctorAlien:
No. I'm a Bible-believing Christian.

this bible was given to you by catholics...

raphieMontella:
this bible was given to you by catholics...

Wrong. The Catholic church wanted to hide the Bible from me at all costs. But GOD graciously brought the Bible to me by the hands of heroes like Wycliffe and Luther and Tyndale.

DoctorAlien:
Wrong. The Catholic church wanted to hide the Bible from me at all costs. But GOD graciously brought the Bible to me by the hands of heroes like Wycliffe and Luther and Tyndale.

the catholics created the bible..and gave it to you...abc

raphieMontella:
the catholics created the bible..and gave it to you...abc

Totally wrong. They did not create the Bible and they didn't give it to me.

DoctorAlien:
Totally wrong. They did not create the Bible and they didn't give it to me.

Its no use Bro, he'll believe the atheist website over anything you say.
Just leave him be.

winner01:
Its no use Bro, he'll believe the atheist website over anything you say.
Just leave him be.

Pheew. They won't stop stalking you, you know. It seems atheism is very boring; so boring that they have to attach themselves somehow to GOD and Christians in order to make meaning of their lives.

DoctorAlien:
Totally wrong. They did not create the Bible and they didn't give it to me.

who then made the bible?

winner01:
Its no use Bro, he'll believe the atheist website over anything you say.
Just leave him be.

seems you have a mental disorder..
Its showing very clearly...

DoctorAlien:
The truth is that even if GOD came down and stood before you to tell you that He exists, you would dismiss that occurrence as mere hallucination.

Bro, this is soooooooooooooooooo true!!!!!!!!

Not only that, they would scream, "I WAS DRUGED!"

raphieMontella:
seems you have a mental disorder..
Its showing very clearly...

you would only insult when you lack logical views of defending yourself!

promise101:
Bro, this is soooooooooooooooooo true!!!!!!!!
Not only that, they would scream, "I WAS DRUGED!"

LOL. True.

promise101:
you would only insult when you lack logical views of defending yourself!

you follow am get the mental disorder?
Youre presenting yourself as such...
Can you provide the atheist website ?