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[b] [And mention] when the angels said, "O Mary, indeed Allah gives you good tidings of a word from Him, whose name will be the Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary - distinguished in this world and the Hereafter and among those brought near [to Allah ].

He will speak to the people in the cradle and in maturity and will be of the righteous."

She said, "My Lord, how will I have a child when no man has touched me?" [The angel] said, "Such is Allah ; He creates what He wills. When He decrees a matter, He only says to it, 'Be,' and it is.


And He will teach him writing and wisdom and the Torah and the Gospel


And [make him] a messenger to the Children of Israel, [who will say], 'Indeed I have come to you with a sign from your Lord in that I design for you from clay [that which is] like the form of a bird, then I breathe into it and it becomes a bird by permission of Allah . And I cure the blind and the leper, and I give life to the dead - by permission of Allah . And I inform you of what you eat and what you store in your houses. Indeed in that is a sign for you, if you are believers.


And [I have come] confirming what was before me of the Torah and to make lawful for you some of what was forbidden to you. And I have come to you with a sign from your Lord, so fear Allah and obey me.

Indeed, Allah is my Lord and your Lord, so worship Him. That is the straight path."


Indeed, the example of Jesus to Allah is like that of Adam. He created Him from dust; then He said to him, "Be," and he was. [/b]

If I am to borrow your own words here I can then ask you this very simple Question;

Who is better or greater the one who God Himself made by saying "Be" as yu put it and he never came about by human assistance or the one who was begotten via earthly parents like muhammed was?

Even your words are against you. If Allah can simply make one to "be" Then its obvious that the one who came directly from God when he declared it to "be" is greater than he who did not come directly from God and needed damaged earthly parents before he could "be" I.e muhammed.

True or false?

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[b] [And mention] when the angels said, "O Mary, indeed Allah gives you good tidings of a word from Him, whose name will be the Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary - distinguished in this world and the Hereafter and among those brought near [to Allah ].

He will speak to the people in the cradle and in maturity and will be of the righteous."

She said, "My Lord, how will I have a child when no man has touched me?" [The angel] said, "Such is Allah ; He creates what He wills. When He decrees a matter, He only says to it, 'Be,' and it is.


And He will teach him writing and wisdom and the Torah and the Gospel


And [make him] a messenger to the Children of Israel, [who will say], 'Indeed I have come to you with a sign from your Lord in that I design for you from clay [that which is] like the form of a bird, then I breathe into it and it becomes a bird by permission of Allah . And I cure the blind and the leper, and I give life to the dead - by permission of Allah . And I inform you of what you eat and what you store in your houses. Indeed in that is a sign for you, if you are believers.


And [I have come] confirming what was before me of the Torah and to make lawful for you some of what was forbidden to you. And I have come to you with a sign from your Lord, so fear Allah and obey me.

Indeed, Allah is my Lord and your Lord, so worship Him. That is the straight path."


Indeed, the example of Jesus to Allah is like that of Adam. He created Him from dust; then He said to him, "Be," and he was. [/b]

Adam was created without the agency of a human father or mother because, as the first man on earth, he could not have had earthly parents. Such an act of creation was necessary at the beginning of the world of mankind. Someone had to be created first.

But in the case of jesus, we see God interrupting the process of pro-creation in other for jesus to be born , WHY ? Does the quran give reason for this ? What MANNER of MAN is jesus that God will interrupt the process of pro-creation for him to be born ? It point to the fact that jesus has a FATHER and SON RELANTIONSHIP with God. If God want to manifest his power, the creation of the universe is enough, even the quran say so. Or do you want to deny that God did this without a purpose ?

Jesus had an exceptional and unique beginning to his life on earth. As he was the only man in all human history to come into the world in this unusual way, we cannot be satisfied with the Qur’an’s summary declaration that it was no more than just an exercise of God’s power. It is only in the BIBLE that the reason of the virgin birth is given.

4everGod1:



If I am to borrow your own words here I can then ask you this very simple Question;

Who is better or greater the one who God Himself made by saying "Be" as yu put it and he never came about by human assistance or the one who was begotten via earthly parents like muhammed was?

Even your words are against you. If Allah can simply make one to "be" Then its obvious that the one who came directly from God when he declared it to "be" is greater than he who did not come directly from God and needed damaged earthly parents before he could "be" I.e muhammed.

True or false?

False. Allah says the similitude of Jesus and Adam is same, there were both from dust, and he says be and they are. They are all the same.

But if what you think is, because Jesus have no human father and that makes him begotten son of God or God. Then Adam was a greater son of God or greater God. I urge Christian to start worshiping Adam.

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Because Allah has promised to guard it and no interpolation has been found. Concerning We. I have answered this before

Listen to yourself!

Just like that, you believe the Qur'an and everything in it is accurate because probably the author(s) of the Qur'an or Imams mentioned that Allah has promised to guard it?

malvisguy212:
Adam was created without the agency of a human father or mother because, as the first man on earth, he could not have had earthly parents. Such an act of creation was necessary at the beginning of the world of mankind. Someone had to be created first.

But in the case of jesus, we see God interrupting the process of pro-creation in other for jesus to be born , WHY ? Does the quran give reason for this ? What MANNER of MAN is jesus that God will interrupt the process of pro-creation for him to be born ? It point to the fact that jesus has a FATHER and SON RELANTIONSHIP with God. If God want to manifest his power, the creation of the universe is enough, even the quran say so. Or do you want to deny that God did this without a purpose ?

Jesus had an exceptional and unique beginning to his life on earth. As he was the only man in all human history to come into the world in this unusual way, we cannot be satisfied with the Qur’an’s summary declaration that it was no more than just an exercise of God’s power. It is only in the BIBLE that the reason of the virgin birth is given.

Ok now you believe Christian god have committed fornication and rapes Marry may Allah be pleased with her, a virgin to delivered his only begotten son.

DeSepiero:


Listen to yourself!

Just like that, you believe the Qur'an and everything in it is accurate because probably the author(s) of the Qur'an or Imams mentioned that Allah has promised to guard it?

Sir if you doubt. Why not bring concocted and interpolated verses to save the argument. Show us older version of Quran.

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False. Allah says the similitude of Jesus and Adam is same, there were both from dust, and he says be and they are. They are all the same.

But if what you think is, because Jesus have no human father and that makes him begotten son of God or God. Then Adam was a greater son of God or greater God. I urge Christian to start worshiping Adam.

Wrong the Bible calls Jesus THE SECOND ADAM Why? Both came directly from God as they needed no Human agent to conceive them.

Adam was created from Dust and Jesus came directly from God as THE LIFE OF THE BABY IS FROM THE FATHER AND NOT FROM THE MOTHER....Even Doctors know this so I am surprised at the ignorance you spew.

How can one who came directly from the hands of God be less than the one who did not?

Oga JESUS IS LORD OF ALL...INCLUDING LORD OVER MUHAMMED. You can take it or TAKE IT!

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Ok now you believe Christian god have committed fornication and rapes Marry may Allah be pleased with her, a virgin to delivered his only begotten son.

see this dishonest muslim, I ask you a question, what is the purpose of the virgin birth in the quran ? Answer pleas. Why must jesus be born of a virgin ? Did not the quran claim mary was a virgin ? Your accusation include allah also.

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Sir if you doubt. Why not bring concocted and interpolated verses to save the argument. Show us older version of Quran.

The Qur'an contains many similar stories and characters found in an older text(Bible) hence there's a high and inevitable possibility of interpolation.

4everGod1:



Wrong the Bible calls Jesus THE SECOND ADAM Why? Both came directly from God as they needed no Human agent to conceive them.

Adam was created from Dust and Jesus came directly from God as THE LIFE OF THE BABY IS FROM THE FATHER AND NOT FROM THE MOTHER....Even Doctors know this so I am surprised at the ignorance you spew.

How can one who came directly from the hands of God be less than the one who did not?

Oga JESUS IS LORD OF ALL...INCLUDING LORD OVER MUHAMMED. You can take it or TAKE IT!

So you believe Christian god have committed fornication and rapes Marry may Allah be pleased with her, a virgin to delivered his only begotten son.
So why wasted my time argue, since you believe then my post is right.

malvisguy212:
see this dishonest muslim, I ask you a question, what is the purpose of the virgin birth in the quran ? Answer pleas. Why must jesus be born of a virgin ? Did not the quran claim mary was a virgin ? Your accusation include allah also.

God say be it and it is. But you believe he is begotten son, a son from sex.

DeSepiero:


The Qur'an contains many similar stories and characters found in an older text(Bible) hence there's a high and inevitable possibility of interpolation.

It's because the ingeel (Original Bible) was revealed by Allah to Jesus b4 you corrupted it. So if Allah says something here in Old testament he sometimes repeat it in New likewise Quran. No Muslim is Muslim if he did believe Allah is the one that reveals ingeel in it true form. And this is said in the Quran.

So my question remains just like we see alteration between versions of the Bible present similar like Quran.

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So you believe Christian god have committed fornication and rapes Marry may Allah be pleased with her, a virgin to delivered his only begotten son.
So why wasted my time argue, since you believe then my post is right.

I believe that the CREATOR OF ALL THINGS including man and woman and the womb of a woman empowered the womb to carry a Child He created same way He created Adam and put His breath in Adam.

I believe that God is able to do all things including empowering a virgin to conceive as he did not need anything besides dust to form adam He also did not need anything like sexual relations to put Jesus in Marys womb.

Adam was for a purpose and th second Adam (Jesus) was for a different purpose as He had to recognize with the sinful nature of man before He could adequately fit into the description of a PERFECT SACRIFICE. THE ONE WHO KNEW NO SIN BECAME SIN SO THAT THROUGH HIS DEATH WE MIGHT BE SAVED.

I believe Muhammed was an impostor and a con job who sought to borrow from THE BOOK (bible) and twist it to his warped devilish end.

I BELIEVE IN JESUS THE SON OF GOD AND FIRST BORN FROM THE DEAD WHO DIED AND ROSE AGAIN FOR ME THAT I MIGHT BE SAVED AND HAS TODAY MADE ME TO SIT WITH HIM IN HEAVENLY PLACES FAR ABOVE PRINCIPALITIES AND POWERS AND OVER THE RULERS OF THE DARKNESS OF THIS WORLD....of which Islam is an extension.

May He be praised forever and ever...Amen.

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God say be it and it is. But you believe he is begotten son, a son from sex.

why dint allah allow jesus to be born normal ? What is the purpose of the virgin birth ? If you cannot answer this question, why are you a muslim ?

4everGod1:



I believe that the CREATOR OF ALL THINGS including man and woman and the womb of a woman empowered the womb to carry a Child He created same way He created Adam and put His breath in Adam.

I believe that God is able to do all things including empowering a virgin to conceive as he did not need anything besides dust to form adam He also did not need anything like sexual relations to put Jesus in Marys womb.

Adam was for a purpose and th second Adam (Jesus) was for a different purpose as He had to recognize with the sinful nature of man before He could adequately fit into the description of a PERFECT SACRIFICE. THE ONE WHO KNEW NO SIN BECAME SIN SO THAT THROUGH HIS DEATH WE MIGHT BE SAVED.

I believe Muhammed was an impostor and a con job who sought to borrow from THE BOOK (bible) and twist it to his warped devilish end.

I BELIEVE IN JESUS THE SON OF GOD AND FIRST BORN FROM THE DEAD WHO DIED AND ROSE AGAIN FOR ME THAT I MIGHT BE SAVED AND HAS TODAY MADE ME TO SIT WITH HIM IN HEAVENLY PLACES FAR ABOVE PRINCIPALITIES AND POWERS AND OVER THE RULERS OF THE DARKNESS OF THIS WORLD....of which Islam is an extension.

May He be praised forever and ever...Amen.

Am very happy you believe @Boldedcolored above. But let me make sure what you mean.

You believe Jesus is the son of God BUT not begotten If no sexual affair involves That means the word should not be there.

malvisguy212:
why dint allah allow jesus to be born normal ? What is the purpose of the virgin birth ? If you cannot answer this question, why are you a muslim ?

Why did Allah decided to create Adam before Eve. Why did Allah create Human being. Why did Allah create angel. Why Allah says we should worship, why did he not allow us to do what we feels like. Silly questions.

Allah do what he wills. But Note he don't engage in lower act of Animals, sex for that matter.

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Am very happy you believe @Boldedcolored above. But let me make sure what you mean.

You believe Jesus is the son of God BUT not begotten If no sexual affair involves That means the word should not be there.

I doubt you have a good footing on English.

I already explained to you what the word Begotten means and the context it was applied and it means to bring to be or unique

Greek texts that refer to Christ as God's "only begotten Son" are based on a misunderstanding of the Greek word monogenēs and that the Greek word does not mean "begotten" in the sense we beget children but means "having no peer, unique". IN OTHER WORDS, ONE OF A KIND!


This was why I first asked you how old you were because your Scriptural intellectual capacity is low as all you do is copy and paste without research.

Please read this post over and over again before attempting a response.....if any.

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It's because the ingeel (Original Bible) was revealed by Allah to Jesus b4 you corrupted it. So if Allah says something here in Old testament he sometimes repeat it in New likewise Quran. No Muslim is Muslim if he did believe Allah is the one that reveals ingeel in it true form. And this is said in the Quran.

So my question remains just like we see alteration between versions of the Bible present similar like Quran.

Correction!
1. I didn't corrupt any Ingeel whatsoever.
2. I question your belief in the Qur'anic doctrines as ultimate 'truth' NOT alterations in versions of the Bible.

4everGod1:



I doubt you have a good footing on English.

I already explained to you what the word Begotten means and the context it was applied and it means to bring to be or unique

Greek texts that refer to Christ as God's "only begotten Son" are based on a misunderstanding of the Greek word monogenēs and that the Greek word does not mean "begotten" in the sense we beget children but means "having no peer, unique". IN OTHER WORDS, ONE OF A KIND!


This was why I first asked you how old you were because your Scriptural intellectual capacity is low as all you do is copy and paste without research.

Please read this post over and over again before attempting a response.....if any.

I don't need your explanations. You can see my screenshot on the first post on the thread. Those definitions I posted are from Google, dictionary and Christian Dictionary

If begotten then sex is involve

If he is son Not begotten son then sex is not involved.

Answer it except you're Hypocrate

DeSepiero:


Correction!
1. I didn't corrupt any Ingeel whatsoever.
2. I question your belief in the Qur'anic doctrines as ultimate 'truth' NOT alterations in versions of the Bible.

Hahaha. Are you loosing comprehensive. You doesn't mean you as a person. It means Christians. Regarding the number 2, you're not even ashamed to lie.

DeSepiero:


The Qur'an contains many similar stories and characters found in an older text(Bible) hence there's a high and inevitable possibility of interpolation.

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I don't need your explanations. You can see my screenshot on the first post on the thread. Those definitions I posted are from Google, dictionary and Christian Dictionary

If begotten then sex is involve

If he is son Not begotten son then sex is not involved.

Answer it except you're Hypocrate

smh English assimilation has suffered a huge setback in this guy.....

The closest word to describe how Jesus came about was the word BEGOTTEN but it did not do justice to the original greek source which is MONOGENÈS

Below is an extract from Wikipaedia on the word MONOGENÈS.

Monogenes has two primary definitions,
"pertaining to being the only one of its
kind within a specific relationship" and
"pertaining to being the only one of its
kind or class, unique in kind". [3] Thus
monogenēs (μονογενὴς) may be used
both as an adjective monogenēs pais,
meaning unique and special. [4] Its Greek
meaning is often applied to mean "one of
a kind, one and only". Monogenēs
(μονογενὴς) may be used both as an
adjective monogenēs pais, only child, or
only legitimate child, special child, and
also on its own as a noun; o monogenēs
"the only one", or "the only legitimate
child". [5]

If you still cannot understand your error now and just want to go about chanting sex sex sex. Na u sabi... I am done with you.

4everGod1:



smh English assimilation has suffered a huge setback in this guy.....

The closest word to describe how Jesus came about was the word BEGOTTEN but it did not do justice to the original greek source which is MONOGENÈS

Below is an extract from Wikipaedia on the word MONOGENÈS.

Monogenes has two primary definitions,
"pertaining to being the only one of its
kind within a specific relationship" and
"pertaining to being the only one of its
kind or class, unique in kind". [3] Thus
monogenēs (μονογενὴς) may be used
both as an adjective monogenēs pais,
meaning unique and special. [4] Its Greek
meaning is often applied to mean "one of
a kind, one and only". Monogenēs
(μονογενὴς) may be used both as an
adjective monogenēs pais, only child, or
only legitimate child, special child, and
also on its own as a noun; o monogenēs
"the only one", or "the only legitimate
child". [5]

If you still cannot understand your error now and just want to go about chanting sex sex sex. Na u sabi... I am done with you.

Now you believe is shouldn't be begotten, its because English don't have the exact word? If yes then he is normal son of God as Abraham and Moses.

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Hahaha. Are you loosing comprehensive. You doesn't mean you as a person. It means Christians. Regarding the number 2, you're not even ashamed to lie.

My subject of discussion is centered on the Qur'an NOT the Bible. Get my point.

I mentioned the Bible in a bid to highlight to you that since the Qur'an 'borrowed' from Bible, there's most likely interpolation in the Qur'an. Hence, your believe in the Qur'an as ultimate truth and perceived disregard for Bible is questionable.

I hope you now comprehend.

DeSepiero:


My subject of discussion is centered on the Qur'an NOT the Bible. Get my point.

I mentioned the Bible in a bid to highlight to you that since the Qur'an 'borrowed' from Bible, there's most likely interpolation in the Qur'an. Hence, your believe in the Qur'an as ultimate truth and perceived disregard for Bible is questionable.

I hope you now comprehend.

Since Qur'an what? Its never borrowed, it's revelation from God Almighty. Where do you get that its borrowed in Bible? Which verse say that or you just want to lie.

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Now you believe is shouldn't be begotten, its because English don't have the exact word? If yes then he is normal son of God as Abraham and Moses.

The word to be used is BEGOTTEN but must be viewed from the original GREEK ORIGIN to grasp the truth in it.

And when you look at it using the word MONOGENÈS you will clearly see that Jesus was 100% different from Moses or Abraham. I already gave you the explanation of the word MONOGENÈS so use that to replace BEGOTTEN so you would get the true understanding which is why we have BIBLE CONCORDANCE AND REFERENCES so we can have full knowledge of certain words when we compare them with their original language and the meaning in that language.

Do your own research and find out the language the Bible scrolls were transcribed from and then look for the words in that language which confuse you and their real indept meaning...


You can thank me later.

4everGod1:


The word to be used is BEGOTTEN but must be viewed from the original GREEK ORIGIN to grasp the truth in it.

And when you look at it using the word MONOGENÈS you will clearly see that Jesus was 100% different from Moses or Abraham. I already gave you the explanation of the word MONOGENÈS so use that to replace BEGOTTEN so you would get the true understanding which is why we have BIBLE CONCORDANCE AND REFERENCES so we can have full knowledge of certain words when we compare them with their original language and the meaning in that language.

Do your own research and find out the language the Bible scrolls were transcribed from and then look for the words in that language which confuse you and their real indept meaning...


You can thank me later.

Now Jesus was not begotten (sex) son of God BUT son of God. Is that what you mean? Choose one, stop being evasive.

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Now Jesus was not begotten (sex) son of God BUT son of God. Is that what you mean? Choose one, stop being evasive.

smh. Why is simple English assimilation a struggle for you? So you cannot understand my comment?

4everGod1:



smh. Why is simple English assimilation a struggle for you? So you cannot understand my comment?

Yes I cannot comprehend with that story you wrote. Be forthright. I need clear not the answer that is neither yes nor no.

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Since Qur'an what? Its never borrowed, it's revelation from God Almighty. Where do you get that its borrowed in Bible? Which verse say that or you just want to lie.

Revelation from God to Who? when? where? Why does it have contents similar to Bible which existed before it?

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Yes I cannot comprehend with that story you wrote. Be forthright. I need clear not the answer that is neither yes nor no.

So you agree that you have comprehension issues over just a 2 paragraph comment of mine yet you claim you fully comprehend the Bible with has hundreds of Paragraphs?

You need help!

I gave you a simple response that any intelligent person would grasp at a glance yet comprehending same is difficult for you.

so much for your argument and intelligence. ..smh

Feel free to now call me a liar or accuse me of being evasive when you clearly lack a single iota of understanding.

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Since Qur'an what? Its never borrowed, it's revelation from God Almighty. Where do you get that its borrowed in Bible? Which verse say that or you just want to lie.

Also, your reasoning of 'using Quranic verses to proof the Qur'an's credibility is simply hilarious'.

DeSepiero:


Also, your reasoning of 'using Quranic verses to proof the Qur'an's credibility is simply hilarious'.

Bring interpolated verses of the Qur'an?