Lol you can't deny it guy. Least educated, lowest gdp per capita, laggard region, polio outbreaks, std rates highest there. Please deny the stats I'm waiting. Please don't I hate you. Just bring stats and figures.
With all these statistics, the destiny of the country still in the hands of the North. Isn't it a shame on you all?
Op, have you seen the Human Development Index (HDI), for each region in Nigeria? Go check since the time of Christ till now, you guys have always been below in good things, and excellent in bad things.
Clearly from the above, high or low HIV prevalence is not a function of region. Rivers, a southern states, tops the prevalence rate by far followed by some northern states and then a mixture of both northern and southern states in the median.
At the very bottom are two northern states along with Ekiti. I'm sorry sir but this doesn't support your postulation that north leads in HIV prevalence. Try again
With all these statistics, the destiny of the country still in the hands of the North. Isn't it a shame on you all?
The rubbish you put up doesn't dispute the op.
Lol so you dont have an arguent for the stats. Im glad you admitted it. The country in hands of North so for there own good they better do the reforms necessary that SW and SW leaders proposed. It is a shame we let tribalism and hated make this country unable to live up to true potential.
Yes it did dispute it. The Author claims amounted to we arent that bad, even you cant deny stats. Most points author made were just opinions anyway. Its been fun but like others you cant do anything to dispute my claims.
What is there to like about the dead north? Even western airlines refuse to operate into kano airport. If the op saw it fit to start a propaganda thread promoting the north in the midst of all the carnage we have heard and in my case seen with my own eyes then obviously the north is in desperate need of rebranding. Save your trash for gullible Afonjas who have never stepped out of their region
But why are there so many of your people in the north. Like a lot of them As we converse right now a lot of buses from the south east are bringing in your brothers to the north, most aren't likely to go back. If the north is as bad as you're making it out to be why are they willing to die there than return home. Or is the south east a much bigger hell hole than the north? I'm confused here bro. Help a brother out
Damn! I was born and bred in the North, kaduna precisely. The truth of the matter is,, most of the major businesses run here are by citizens from other regions of the country. Majority of the hausa muslim population which constitute of youths and children are illiterates. Now, lemme do a breakdown of what the life cycle of a northerner looks like 1.AGE 2-12: In this age group ,it will amaze you that only 60% attends school. almajiri or quranic school. only about 20% of this attends standard schools and they are the few elites among them... The remaining 40% automatically turns to Street beggars (inherited from their parents of course!)
2. AGE 13 - 20: In this age group, some of those that went to school would dropout to learn work e.g mechanic, tailoring, cobblers, conductors, drivers e.t.c. Others would continue their favourite chore, which is begging. Meanwhile the very few children of the elites and smaller percentage continues school.
3. AGE 20- 25: This set of group are already planning on how to get married, mindless of the fact that they can't /have no means of raising a family of their own. Infact, from 18yrs they already started reproducing.
AGE 25 & above :90% of those in this age group, (those that went to school and those that didn't) are already family men and women. ONLY a very few of them from the rich home are ready to really go higher in educational pursuit. So from this stats, you'll find out that more than 70% of them does menial jobs from cobbling to securities, hawkers, drivers, conductors etc. While a lot of others that don't have source of income turns to stealing, armed robbery, touting,and a whole of other vices.
The very few children of the elites are those that run businesses while the old ones amongst them turns to Street begging from whence they started their life journey,,, And the circle continues..
You sound like someone that's deprived of love and care. So bitter. Got jilted, maybe?
I can sense that that job of yours is a lying one.
Widespread desperate poverty even in highbrow areas? Yet it qualifies as an upscale area in your dictionary? You must be a lot more deficient than I first thought!
Kano, Kaduna, Sokoto, et al, poor? It's obvious you have malaria!
Better go walk your life's frustrations off. Don't even attempt to cover them with lies, bigotry and sheer hatred.
A lot of folks in Kano alone are so stinkingly rich they could buy your entire state if it's put up for sale!
You should thank your stars I'm not in the mood to get into diatribes right now!
Forgive him, for it may not be his fault; its obvious he comes from the ppl with flattened heads, a condition known as Flatinosis, where the flattened cranium excessively presses onto the brain resulting in impairment of the centres controlling compassion and integrity; if your brain was compressed like them, you too would be blatantly lying and hating just like him. Pity him for his tortured life; its not easy being the product of a baby factory and congenitally afflicted with the capacity for irrational hatred and bigotry - just thank God you are not like him.
Lol so you dont have an arguent for the stats. Im glad you admitted it. The country in hands of North so for there own good they better do the reforms necessary that SW and SW leaders proposed. It is a shame we let tribalism and hated make this country unable to live up to true potential.
Yes it did dispute it. The Author claims amounted to we arent that terrible even you cant deny stats. Most points author made were just opinions. anyway. Its been fun but like others you cant do anything to dispute my claims.
I'm finding it difficult to understand your incoherent statement, but not withstanding,does those statistics make the North any less developed than the south? I don't think so... You think the North is terrible, kindly tell your people who come in daily to return to their Utopian" South.
Please reconcile your claim with the fact that in every of those cities , Christians are allowed to their churches. There are many churches as there as christian denominations. Each one is allowed to build his church. For example in Maiduguri where I schooled, there are up to 60 major churches in the capital.
In contrast however, IMO state that is considered to be free has only 1 mosque in the whole of the capital. And its not because the moslems do not want to build mosques. If allowed just the corp members posted to the state will do this.
Yet the south Easterners GI to other regions. And want to claim lord there.
you're even lucky that you guys were allowed to build one mosque...
Ahmadgani: most nigerians dwell on hearsay. some even have a myopic assertion that all Muslims are northerners and all northerners are Hausa and all Hausas are aboki and all abokis are illiterates. moral and cultural studies should be introduced in our schools curriculum
My friend, you have tried. However, I asdre you that there is no need preaching to the "converted". The north is responsible for some people unable to have an erection, even those who have not had the courage to get close to women.
Clearly from the above, high or low HIV prevalence is not a function of region. Rivers, a southern states, tops the prevalence rate by far followed by some northern states and then a mixture of both northern and southern states in the median.
At the very bottom are two northern states along with Ekiti. I'm sorry sir but this doesn't support your postulation that north leads in HIV prevalence. Try again
One thing I noticed is the list is not complete. Its missing Katsina stats. Nigerian government and half hazard work lol.
I took time to do averages by geopolitical region. Note North west was missing katsina so I left it out.
SS- 5.0% NE - 4.0% NC/MB- 3.2% NW- 2.8% (2.4% if katsina included) SW- 2.6% SE- 1.8%
In absolute North vs South terms. North Region has 3.2%-3.33% compared to 3.13%.
I'm finding it difficult to understand your incoherent statement, but not withstanding,does those statistics make the North any less developed than the south? I don't think so... You think the North is terrible, kindly tell your people who come in daily to return to their Utopian" South.
I said your the economic laggard, the lowest educated region, lowest per capita gdp. I also said your right about North ruling politically but the must change for their own sake. Thats if they care about their standard of living and the good of nation. The political restructuring with resource control/ fiscal federal people on nairaland discuss ad nauseum. Im not too sure about developed part it varies. The standard of living is lower so yes life is worse for average person.
I never said it was terrible I point out the stats. My Mother schooled in north and like it very much. Also I do like Abuja very much and plan to visit Kaduna. I dont care where people live. If you want reply me come back with facts to dispute claim.
Biafman: Massacre of Igbos, Christian Minorities and Southerners in Northern Nugeria since 1945 to date May 25, 2014 at 11:45pm
If this statistics are true, it is unfortunate and unfair for us to continue as a nation without questioning the rationale of our national unity and Federal structure. Human life is sacred and we need to call our people on the other side to questions, if we are Nigerians and this nation belong to us all.
Read Courtesy of Igbo World online:
Must see - Nigeria: A Historical Record of Hausa-Fulani Jihad in Nigeria
On Monday, 26 May 2014, 4:20, Collins Ezebuihe <collyezebuihe@hotmail.com> wrote:
A DIARY OF IGBO VICTIMS OF NORTHERN NIGERIA's JIHADISTS:
1. Jos, June 22, 1945 - Over 200 people were massacred in Jos, and their property looted. The colonial authorities failed to institute a probe, and no justice was obtained for the victims. 2. Kano 1953 - over 150 killed following the political riots in protest of the so-called treatment of Northern political leaders in Ibadan . 3.Between May and October 1966 - over 50, 000 Igbo were killed in an organized pogrom following the Major Emmanuel Ifeajuna-led coup of Jan.15, 1966. In July a counter coup was staged in which the Igbo General Ironsi was killed in Ibadan with his host, Col. Francis A Fajuyi. Ironsi’s murder did not stem the massacres, but it was intensified from September 1966 . From July 1967- January 1970 over 2 million Igbos were killed fighting for liberation in Biafra . The International press reported acts of genocide against the Igbo in places like Asaba which were generally ignored. 3) Many Biafran civilians died mainly from starvation as a result of the federal blockade and mass starvation policy. 3. Kano 1980 - over 1000 Igbos were killed 4. Maiduguiri 1982 - 1983 over 500 Igbos were killed1)
5) At the beginning of 2001, the Islamic Sharia law was implemented in Kaduna State and a particular incident in 2002 saw at least more than 1,000 Southerners killed in a particular riot and most of those killed were Igbos. Among those murdered were parents of Victor Moses (Austin and Josephine Moses), current member of Nigeria 's national soccer team that won the continental trophy in 2013.
6) Between February 16 - December 26, 2002 thousands of Igbo were killed in northern Nigeria and the root cause of the killing and riot was the implementation of Sharia law in the northern states of Nigeria . Among those killed were three Igbo Christian pastors including George Orji who was killed by beheading.
7) In November 2002, hundreds of Igbo were massacred again following controversy around the hosting of Miss World beauty contest in Nigeria . The APO-SIX killings occurred in June, 2005 in which the Nigeria Police Force extra-judicially killed six young Igbos (Ekene Isaac Mgbe, Ifeanyi Ozor, Chinedu Meniru, Paulinus Ogbonna, Anthony and Augustina Arebu) in Apo-Abuja. Till this day none of the police officers accused of this shockingly evil crime has been brought to justice.
9) On 18th of February 2006 in Maiduguri and in almost all the northern states of Nigeria , the Muslims protesting over the publication of the cartoon of Prophet Muhammad by a Danish newspaper killed more than 100 Igbo. The Muslims attacked Christians and burned churches in the deadliest confrontation yet in the whirlwind of Muslim anger over the drawings.
10) From March 2006 to July 2007, hundreds of Southerners were killed in almost all the northern states of Nigeria especially in Jos. The crisis was between Muslims and Christians.
11) On October 8, 2007, another religious violence again broke out in Northern Nigeria in a row over the publication of the cartoon of Prophet Muhammad by a Danish newspaper and over 100 of people were massacred, majority of them Igbos.
12) Between March 11, 2010 and September 1, 2011 over 500 Christians were massacred outside Plateau state capital, Jos. This time the killings took place in a mainly Christian village of Barkin Ladi Local Government Area of Plateau state.
13) On 24th April 2011, more than 1,000 were killed in post-election violence in Nigeria and among those killed were Obinna Okpokiri, who returned from London to serve his fatherland and was posted to Bauchi State, and Eucharia Remmy a graduate from the University of Nigeria in 2010, serving in Damaturu, Yobe State. Muslim youths launched protests in northern towns and cities after President Goodluck Jonathan, a Christian from Biafra, was declared the winner of the 16 April election, defeating northern Muslim Muhammadu Buhari, a former military ruler.
14) On June 16, 2011, a Boko haram suicide bomber drove a car bomb onto the premises of the Louis Edet House in Abuja , the headquarters of the Nigeria Police Force with a possible intention to kill Inspector-General of Police Hafiz Ringim whose convoy he followed into the compound. He was however limited by the concentration of security personnel within the entrance. The bomber and one Igbo traffic policeman were killed, though authorities said up to six people may have been killed.
15) On 26 August 2011, the Islamist group, Boko Haram claimed responsibility for an attack on the United Nations building in Abuja which left over 40 people dead most of them Igbo.
16) On September 25, 2011, five Igbo traders were shot dead at Madala Market, outskirts of Abuja on Thursday Night between 7-8pm. According to the report, the gunmen stormed the Madala market and made straight to a shop believed to be that of some Igbo traders and ordered them to recite the Holy Quran which they could not do. The gunmen who were not satisfied with the development opened fire on the five people at close range leaving them dead immediately. The five casualties were later identified as John Kalu, Oliver Ezemah, Uche Nguweze, Sunday Emmanuel. The fifth casualty is yet to be identified.
17) On December 25, 2011 Boko Haram claimed responsibility for Christmas Day Bomb attacks at St. Theresa's Catholic Church in Madala - near the capital Abuja - which left more than 50 Igbos dead. Mr Dike and his children were roasted alive.
18) On January 5, 2012 more than 43 Igbos and other southerners were killed in Adamawa State north-eastern Nigeria . The first victims, 16 in all, were murdered on Friday night during a service at the Christ Apostolic Church , Yola, the state capital. Twenty-seven others described as mourners had been killed earlier on that day at Mubi by gunmen while they were meeting at the residence of another Igbo man who had been shot dead by Bokko Haram Islamist terrorist group a day earlier to plan for his burial.
19) On January 11, 2012 Boko Haram terrorists shot dead four Igbo men who were believed to be fleeing violence-torn Maiduguri , residents said." Their car had just pulled up at a filling station outside the town to refuel when suspected Boko Haram gunmen in another car also pulled up and opened fire on the Igbos, killing them on the spot."
20) On Monday Jan 16, 2012 members of the Boko Haram terrorist group again shot dead five Southerners in their homes in Maiduguri . Three people among those shot dead have been confirmed as Igbos.
21) On 21st January 2012 at 2:55 GMT, more than 250 Southerners were killed in a series of bombings and attacks by Islamist zealots in the northern Nigerian city of Kano . The terrorist group, Boko Haram, claimed responsibility for the attacks.
22) On 16 March 2012, Mr John Nubrim was visibly traumatised after fleeing the north-eastern town of Maiduguri following attacks by the terrorist group, Boko Haram. According to him, "Only God knows how I escaped from that Maiduguri . They bomb over there." "They burned my shed. All my property, all my things, are there," said the young electronics trader, before letting out a short scream. "My parents, my brother and one of my sons died there."
23) On February 3, 2012, men of the terrorist group, Boko Haram, struck early in the morning in Ajaokuta, Kogi State , killing four southerners. A police station and a first generation bank were burnt by the group. In another incident, at least six Igbo were killed in Maiduguri by the same Boko Haram.
24) On August 8, 2012, Boko Haram terrorists attacked a church in Okene, Kogi State with guns killing so many Igbos. On the same day, an IED was discovered in another church in Lokoja, Kogi state which exploded and killed more than 20 Igbo.
25) On Monday 19th March 2013, the whole world woke up to the sad news about the explosion of five luxurious buses by Boko Haram at Sabo-Ngari area in Kano State Nigeria, killing over 250 southerners and maiming several others, mostly Igbos.
26) On Friday May 24, 2013 at about 7:30pm. Kano Police Command Public Relations Officer, ASP Magaji Majiya confirmed to 247ureports.com that unknown gunmen believed to be Boko Haram terrorist group struck the Kurna Asabe area of Kano and shot dead two Igbo business men- a Vulcanizer and an Electronics dealer. Both victims hailed from Nsukka, Enugu State and were identified as Ibe Ugwuanyi, 30 (Vulcanizer) and Eke Osita Joseph, an Electronics dealer, 35.
27) A dark cloud of mourning enveloped the Ezihe-Umueze kindred in Uga community, Aguata Local Government Area of Anambra State, as the people awaited the return of their kinsman, Mr Nnamdi Ezebuala whose three children were killed in the latest Boko Haram bombing incident that occurred on July 29, 2013 in Sabongari, Kano. This very man eventually died from wounds he sustained from the bombs which killed his three children. They were all buried the same day; four of them.
28) On September 2, 2013 gunmen on the rampage swept through three states of Borno, Kaduna and Plateau in Northern Nigeria killing more than 50 Biafrans.
29) On September 3, 2013 more than five Christians were forced from their vehicle in Jos and executed in a ditch in the latest attack by Boko Haram terrorist group. It was reported that these five individuals were executed by the terrorist group after declaring themselves followers of Jesus Christ.
30) ABUJA , Fri Sep 20, 2013 12:32pm EDT (Reuters) - At least seven southerners were killed by the terrorist group Boko Haram in the capital Abuja .
31) On 28th September 2013, Boko Haram terrorists bombed three banks and killed 4 in Kaduna . Heavily armed Boko Haram terrorist members bombed three commercial banks in Saminaka, headquarters of Lere local government area of Kaduna State and four lives were lost in the attack.
32) Early in 2013, hundreds of people of Igbo extraction were physically deported from Lagos by the Lagos State Governor and dumped at the Niger Bridge-head in Onitsha for no justifiable reason. Which country in the history of the world has ever deported its citizens from one part of the country to another? The only instance that comes to mind is the transportation of Jews by the German SSS to death chambers during the Second World War. The Indigenous People of Biafra has determined that only in the Sovereign State of Biafra will they really be safe and assured of their basic inalienable human rights. Of course, there are those we cannot omit stating in clearer terms:
1. December 18th-20th 1980_ Kano , Kano State_ Islamic Revivalists (Maitatsine group) attacked Christians and burnt churches; over 4,000 Christians were killed and their properties worth millions of naira lost.
2. October 25th-30th 1982_ Kaduna, Kaduna State_ another Maitatsine riot; over 50 Christians estimated dead.
3. October 30th 1982_Kano, Kano State ( Sabon Gari Municipality )_2 Churches burnt to ashes, 6 more destroyed.
4. December 26th-29th 1982_Maiduguri, Borno State, Maitatsine riot: over 100 Christians lost their lives and properties destroyed.
5. February 15th -2nd March 1984_ The Gongola State (Jimeta-Yola) _ The Maitatsine group attacked Christians; over 500 Christians were killed.
6. April 23rd-28th 1985_Then Bauchi State (Gombe)_Maitatsine uprising: more than 100 Christians lost their lives.
7. March 6th-12th 1987_ Kaduna State (Kafanchan, Kaduna , Zaria ) & Katsina in Katsina State_ Muslim students attacked Christian students at College of Education in Kafanchan and Christians fought back. The fight later spread to other places as indicated here under location. More than 150 churches were burnt and over 25 Christians killed.
8. March 1988_Kaduna Polytechnic, Kaduna, Kaduna State Government destroyed a Christian Chapel under construction. This led to religious uprising.
9. 1988, Kaduna State ( ABU University Zaria ), Benson Omenka, final year student, killed by Muslim students during Students Union election. Christian students were also stoned, maimed and raped.
10. 1988_Bauchi State, Gombe in Bauchi State Secondary Schools, Muslim students attacked Christian Teachers and students in GSS Gombe, GTC Gombe and GSS Bauchi and other Secondary Schools in Bauchi State . Some of the Christian students were badly wounded.
11. April 20th-23rd 1991_Bauchi, Bauchi state: Fighting between Muslims and Christians; more than 200 people lost their lives and 700 churches and mosques were burnt.
12. October 14th-16th 1991_Kano State, Kano: The Reinhard Bonnke riots fighting between Muslims and Christians as Muslim activists rampaged and protested against a planned revival meeting during which a German Evangelist, Reinhard Bonnke, was expected to be the guest preacher.
13. October 1991, Plateau State: A young man from Anaguta was beaten to death on a field opposite University of Jos during election primaries of the defunct Social Democratic Party (SDP).
14. February 1992, Kano State : Many Christians were massacred and churches destroyed.
15. February 1992, Plateau State , Jos. A young Christian, married with one child, was beaten to death by Muslims as he was going home from an evening church meeting, at Yan Taya junction, Jos.
16. April 15th-16th 1992_Kaduna state, Zangon Kataf local Government Area. What was supposed to be a communal riot between Christians and Muslims and spread throughout Kaduna State . Hundreds of people lost their lives and buildings were burnt.
17. May 18th 1992_Kaduna, Zaria: Rev. Tacio Duniya of E.C.W.A, Rev. Musa Bakut and a host of others were murdered by Muslim fanatics.
18. April 12th 1994_Plateau State, Jos. Fighting between Muslims and Christians over the appointment of one Aminu Mato as chairman of the Caretaker Committee for Jos Local Government Area. 16 lives were lost and properties were destroyed.
19. 1999, Borno State . Religious riots as Borno State government mooted the idea of not allowing the teaching of Christian Religious Knowledge in Schools.
20. February 4th -22nd 2000_Kaduna State. Riots began after a Christian march opposing the implementation of Sharia law. Travelers were killed as they tried to escape from their vehicles. More than 1,000 people died in various clashes.
21. February. & May 2000_Kaduna State, Kaduna Christians in Kaduna were attacked on two different occasions as Muslim fanatics protested against the delay in introduction of sharia in the state.
22. May 16th 2000_Kaduna_ Muslim youths destroyed ECWA in Kaduna only hours after peacekeeping troops left the area.
23. May 22nd 2000_Kaduna state_ Muslim youths torched the First Baptist Church and Christian homes, leading to retaliation by Christian youths. At least 11 people died and many others were injured in the incident.
24. May 25th 2000_Kaduna state. Several days of violence over the introduction of Sharia led to the death of at least 150 people. Homes, shops and churches were also destroyed.
25. September 7th-9th, 2000, Gombe State . In Bambam, 25 people died as a result of clashes between Muslims and Christians due to possible implementation of Sharia. Property damaged was estimated in millions of Naira.
26. November 2000_ Kebbi State, Christians showing the Jesus film were warned not to continue showing the film.
27. June 2001_Jigawa State_15 churches and 14 Pastors' residences were burned down in Gawaram. A similar attack on 11 churches occurred earlier in that year in Hadejia.
28. 5th August 2001, Bauchi State: according to the Church of Christ in Nigeria (COCIN), Muslim mercenaries had attacked Christians in the Tafawa Balewa and Bogoro areas on two occasions. The attacks left more than 100 dead and 3,000 refugees.
29. 7th-12th September 2001_Plateau State, Jos Muslims attacked Christians. Properties were destroyed and people lost their lives.
30. September 7th-17th 2001, Kano State, seven churches were demolished; six churches set ablaze by a mob. Fifty four churches given demolition notices and seventeen churches demolished by the Kano state government. The Governor stated that all churches in Shagari quarters of Kano city were "illegal structures", probably due to the religious conflict in Jos.
31. October 7th 2001Kaduna State. Muslim youths attacked three churches and 10 Christian-owned shops with gas bombs, setting fire to the buildings.
32. October 14th-18th 2001, Kano State: As a result of Anti-American protests, 600 Christians were missing and another 350 were killed; at least five churches were burned during the resulting riots.
33. December 24th-25th 2001_Gombe State. A visit to Gombe State by the Israeli ambassador sparked a riot, at least 4 people were killed, 50 injured, and two churches damaged.
34. 2nd May 2002_Plateau State, Jos: Muslims attacked Christians. Properties were destroyed and people lost their lives.
35. May 2002_Zamfara State . The whereabouts of two Christians charged with apostasy, converting from Islam to Christianity, was unknown. Lawali Yakubu and Ali Jafaru disappeared after a judge refused to sentence them to death.
36. May-June 2002, Niger State . At least 75 Christians were arrested for opposing the state's Sharia law. 37. June 6th 2002, Katsina State : A Christian Police Officer in Katsina was clubbed to death by a mob of Muslims after being accused of trampling a Koran. The Police Officer had warned a Muslim preacher to stop inciting violence against Christians. Afraid of being arrested, the preacher fabricated the Koran story to provoke the crowd.
38. September, 2002_Kaduna State, Federal Government College Zaria : Muslim students fought against Christian students discovered that a Christian was likely to win the position of Students Union President during a student election. Many were killed and several female students raped.
39. October 13th 2002_Kaduna, Zaria : A clash over a student election at the Federal College of Education in Zaria ended in the death of 20 Christian students.
40. November 20th-21st 2002_Kaduna State, Kadoka and Kano Muslim mobs ransacked Thisday Newspaper's Office and then began to attack Christian targets, damaging up to 20 churches. Over 200 people were killed and 1,200 injured in the attacks.
41. December 26th, 2002_Bauchi State : An armed Muslim mob attacked Christians concluding Christmas celebration. The Celestial Church of Christ and many Christian homes were burnt.
42. April 22nd 2003_Kano State: A pastor and 6 of his members were killed in a house fire which was believed to have been set by Muslim militants.
Oga i have learnt that there are about 3 million igbos leaving in the north, So with all these high tension stated above, the igbos are still tripping to the north, what an irony. It clearly shows that something is wrong somewhere. With this i conclude that you are lying against the north
You sound like someone that's deprived of love and care. So bitter. Got jilted, maybe?
I can sense that that job of yours is a lying one.
Widespread desperate poverty even in highbrow areas? Yet it qualifies as an upscale area in your dictionary? You must be a lot more deficient than I first thought!
Kano, Kaduna, Sokoto, et al, poor? It's obvious you have malaria!
Better go walk your life's frustrations off. Don't even attempt to cover them with lies, bigotry and sheer hatred.
A lot of folks in Kano alone are so stinkingly rich they could buy your entire state if it's put up for sale!
You should thank your stars I'm not in the mood to get into diatribes right now!
I swear that guy is a blatant liar. The most annoying one was the one about christians being subjugated wtf? Dis guy is really something else.
acenazt: I swear that guy is a blatant liar. The most annoying one was the one about christians being subjugated wtf? Dis guy is really something else.
Shut your trap.
Even position as low as head master of a primary school is reserved for only Muslims.
The easiest way to know a Christian northern is how they bear Muslim surnames but Christian first names. They usually use initials for their Christian names to mask their identity something like T.Y. Danjuma or they bear an islamized biblical name like Ibrahim.
How many Christians from these core Muslim states have ever succeeded in being appointed to any substantial political or administrative position?
There is also how the fulanis now claim common citizenry on virtually all Northern States apart from Benue. It is from here they easily get nominated as ministers or whatever.
Obasanjo saw this and told the Northern caucus in the PDP that was dominated by hausa/fulani Muslim elements that he wanted so called minority elements to also be part of his govt and from there began appointing Christians into his govt.
This did not go down well with the Hausa /fulani Muslim bloc who felt their birthrights had been handed to their slaves and infidels.
This my foolish friend is how sharia agitation began to checkmate Christians from the north and subsequently how boko haram was eventually born.
It will take afonja myopic frogs filled with ignorance of the real workings of this country and their unprecedented hate and jealousy of the Niger Delta and SE to breath a new life into the already wounded and dying Islamic beast to the north.
The north was on her knees and the south was about bouncing to its rightfully position to lead this nation out of the clutches of corrupt illiterate bigots of the north only for the ever jealous and parasitic yoruba to align with the same north to take Nigeria back to their golden era of mediocrity that lasted from 1966 to 2009.
If you fools want northern Nigeria so much then why force everyone to be apart of your afonjastic foolishness?
acenazt: I swear that guy is a blatant liar. The most annoying one was the one about christians being subjugated wtf? Dis guy is really something else.
When Yakowa was murdered by Northerners with a bomb placed in his chopper, Muslims in kaduna and Zaria hit the streets in jubilation that their tin god allah had rid them of an infidel as leader.
Go and study what the koran, hadiths and suras say on how Muslims are to treat infidels.
The kafurs are not to join the army or bear arms. Is that not the reality on ground today with the shoddy appointments so far?
The kafurs are to be heavily taxed and their economic progress checked. When you have emirs owning oil Wells and having free access to forex from their bedrooms which they sell in the parallel market to genuine southern business men. Or how about subsidy granted to hajj pilgrims but southerners with children abroad schooling are barred.
Even Dangote is being supported to own oil refineries on the south and fools like you are clapping for him.
When I oppose remaining in this sharia infested cesspit Afonjas like you will be throwing tantrums over nothing.
Better wake up and fight for your future and stop meddling with the aspirations of both the SS and SE because 30yrs from now your children will curse your generation of myopic fools.
Even position as low as head master of a primary school is reserved for only Muslims.
The easiest way to know a Christian northern is how they bear Muslim surnames but Christian first names. They usually use initials for their Christian names to mask their identity something like T.Y. Danjuma or they bear an islamized biblical name like Ibrahim.
How many Christians from these core Muslim states have ever succeeded in being appointed to any substantial political or administrative position?
There is also how the fulanis now claim common citizenry on virtually all Northern States apart from Benue. It is from here they easily get nominated as ministers or whatever.
Obasanjo saw this and told the Northern caucus in the PDP that was dominated by hausa/fulani Muslim elements that he wanted so called minority elements to also be part of his govt and from there began appointing Christians into his govt.
This did not go down well with the Hausa /fulani Muslim bloc who felt their birthrights had been handed to their slaves and infidels.
This my foolish friend is how sharia agitation began to checkmate Christians from the north and subsequently how boko haram was eventually born.
It will take afonja myopic frogs filled with ignorance of the real workings of this country and their unprecedented hate and jealousy of the Niger Delta and SE to breath a new life into the already wounded and dying Islamic beast to the north.
The north was on her knees and the south was about bouncing to its rightfully position to lead this nation out of the clutches of corrupt illiterate bigots of the north only for the ever jealous and parasitic yoruba to align with the same north to take Nigeria back to their golden era of mediocrity that lasted from 1966 to 2009.
If you fools want northern Nigeria so much then why force everyone to be apart of your afonjastic foolishness?
why can't your ibos representatives in the house of representatives move a motion asking for the independence of the 5 south eastern state for we to Know how serious you guys are
omololu2020: why can't your ibos representatives in the house of representatives move a motion asking for the independence of the 5 south eastern state for we to Know how serious you guys are
First of I am not igbo but Niger Deltan.
There is no way we will get a bill for referendum for both Niger Delta and Biafra seccession because the same yorubas, hausa fulanis and Middle belt will kill the motion immediately.
As things stand we are waiting for the great afonja wars of the 21st century to kick start.
It is out of this fog of war that we will simply leave Nigeria without a shot fired in anger.
This is why I like buhari and his cpc fascists faction of the apc. They are so filled with hatred of every other group not hausa fulani that they have divided this country beyond repair.
The next war will be fought in yoruba land because very soon something very revolutionary will happen that will make the Yoruba nation to declare seccession.
We will decieve you that we are with you but will not lift a finger in help. We shall goad you into secceding and fighting for independence but at the most crucial moment we will embrace the same north. When you guys don weak we go pull out.
Blue3k: Let's fact check this article. Even though they didn't provide much in terms of rebuttal. The article amounts to Northern Nigeria region is not that bad.
Arguements 2: (They are deprived)
"There are many of them who are very comfortable and wealthy and have never been to Lagos or Abuja. In fact, the richest man in Nigeria and Africa, Aliko Dangote is from the region!"
Those rich are what you call outliers. If you look at per capita gdp (which is hard to find) they are lowest regions in country. They still do primary same subsistence farming techniques.
Argument 3:They hate education
"Northerners are now embracing education. Not only the education of the male child but also the female child. Even though there should be more enlightenment, parents are sending their wards to school."
I guess it shows they weren't too keen on getting education before by what writer told us. It is and has always been least educated region. They might not hate it but they don't embrace it to great extent.
The North Eastern Zone comprising: Taraba, Bauchi, Borno, Yobe, Adamawa and Gombe was the least educated in the federation. 52.4% Of North Eastern Males were uneducated, while 61.1% of North Eastern Females were uneducated, resulting in an average of 56.75% Illiterate/b] and [b]43.25% Educated Youth Population
Immediately following is the NorthWestern Zone comprising Kaduna, Kano, Katsina, Sokoto, Jigawa, Kebbi, and Zamfara with 46.9% Uneducated Males, and 62.8% uneducated Females, resulting in an average of 54.85% Illiterate [/b]and [b]45.15% Educated Youth Population
Next comes the North Central Zone comprising Plateau, Nassarawa, FCT, Niger, Benue, Kwara and Kogi with 22.6% uneducated Males and 38.0% uneducated Females resulting in an average figure of 30.3% Illiterate and 69.7% Educated Youth population
Arguement 4: They are impeding Nigeria’s development
"A number of political commentators have suggested that the north is preventing Nigeria from reaching its potentials. This is actually wrong. In almost every Nigerian region, there are challenges. The government is doing its best to tackle some of these difficulties. It is very unfair to isolate a region and say it is impeding Nigeria’s development."
It's doing it best but its fair to point out they're laggard region in per capita gdp and education. The challenge is great and blame can't be put squarely on shoulders but as region with most land and people to under performed so much is telling.
LIAR, ONLY THE NORTH IS AGAINST TRUE FEDERALISM,RESOURCE CONTROL,PIB,RESTRUCTURING,SELF DETERMINATION RIGHTS,REGIONÀLISM,SNC,FOUNDAMENTAL CONSTITUTIONAL CHANGE,etc...i wish lugard never amalgamated this zoo!
blue3k: Next this regions politicians are against restructuring based on fiscal federalism/state resource control.KANO – Elder Statesman, Alhaji Tanko Yakasai slammed idea saying its because Yorubas are jealous of them. Instead of focusing on improving economy they prefer to to feed off productivity of more successful regions. The quote below shows this.
"The whole aggression originated form Action Group, and the intention was to deny the North the benefit of the population and land mass. It is therefore a gang up to deprived the north the benefits its is getting for been richly endowed.”
When Yakowa was murdered by Northerners with a bomb placed in his chopper, Muslims in kaduna and Zaria hit the streets in jubilation that their tin god allah had rid them of an infidel as leader.
Go and study what the koran, hadiths and suras say on how Muslims are to treat infidels.
The kafurs are not to join the army or bear arms. Is that not the reality on ground today with the shoddy appointments so far?
The kafurs are to be heavily taxed and their economic progress checked. When you have emirs owning oil Wells and having free access to forex from their bedrooms which they sell in the parallel market to genuine southern business men. Or how about subsidy granted to hajj pilgrims but southerners with children abroad schooling are barred.
Even Dangote is being supported to own oil refineries on the south and fools like you are clapping for him.
When I oppose remaining in this sharia infested cesspit Afonjas like you will be throwing tantrums over nothing.
Better wake up and fight for your future and stop meddling with the aspirations of both the SS and SE because 30yrs from now your children will curse your generation of myopic fools.
see big fool. So you think I am Yoruba. What a cow
Even position as low as head master of a primary school is reserved for only Muslims.
The easiest way to know a Christian northern is how they bear Muslim surnames but Christian first names. They usually use initials for their Christian names to mask their identity something like T.Y. Danjuma or they bear an islamized biblical name like Ibrahim.
How many Christians from these core Muslim states have ever succeeded in being appointed to any substantial political or administrative position?
There is also how the fulanis now claim common citizenry on virtually all Northern States apart from Benue. It is from here they easily get nominated as ministers or whatever.
Obasanjo saw this and told the Northern caucus in the PDP that was dominated by hausa/fulani Muslim elements that he wanted so called minority elements to also be part of his govt and from there began appointing Christians into his govt.
This did not go down well with the Hausa /fulani Muslim bloc who felt their birthrights had been handed to their slaves and infidels.
This my foolish friend is how sharia agitation began to checkmate Christians from the north and subsequently how boko haram was eventually born.
It will take afonja myopic frogs filled with ignorance of the real workings of this country and their unprecedented hate and jealousy of the Niger Delta and SE to breath a new life into the already wounded and dying Islamic beast to the north.
The north was on her knees and the south was about bouncing to its rightfully position to lead this nation out of the clutches of corrupt illiterate bigots of the north only for the ever jealous and parasitic yoruba to align with the same north to take Nigeria back to their golden era of mediocrity that lasted from 1966 to 2009.
If you fools want northern Nigeria so much then why force everyone to be apart of your afonjastic foolishness?
hahahahahh dis mumu is basing his Thoughts on tell tales. I was born and brought up in Kaduna and I will tell you everything you said is basically wrong due to misinformation. I think you have never been to the north. Come see for your self and stop saying trash. You want to tell me My Family name Thomas Is an Islamic name abi? You guys are so deluded you don't use logic to think. This is the north not the south,Hausa is spoken in almost every part you expect a man Was born 65 years ago by a man who at that time was 50 years old and uneducated to name his son Abraham when he attends a church where the bible is in Hausa and the church service is also in Hausa.
acenazt: hahahahahh dis mumu is basing his Thoughts on tell tales. I was born and brought up in Kaduna and I will tell you everything you said is basically wrong due to misinformation. I think you have never been to the north. Come see for your self and stop saying trash.
Lol.
[size=18pt]Kaduna home of peace indeed.[/size]
1.KasuwanMagani in Kajuru LGA, 1980, when Hausa traders tried to take over Adara land, claiming that the land belonged to them.
2.Yarkasuwa, then in Lere District in 1986, during the contest for the district headship of Lere, when the Kurama were blamed for the crisis caused by the power mongers there, who were opposed to the candidature of a prominent Bakurmi Muslim, who “dared’ to contest for the District Head’s office reserved for the Hausa Fulani of Lere town.
3.Kafanchan in 1987, when the Muslim Students Society attacked students of the College of Education. This spread to Zaria, Kaduna, Katsina, etc, where churches were burnt, people killed, property destroyed.
4.ABU, Zaria in 1988, when Muslim students attacked Christians over victory of Christian student in the students’ union elections. About 107 students were injured, some seriously, whereupon some persons from Zaria City waylaid students travelling home after the university had been closed and killed some of them at Gwargwaji.
5.ZangonKataf in 1992, when People attending market were attacked by ZangonKataf residents opposed to the relocation of the market from the street to a new site across the road.
6.ZangonKataf in August 1992, described as subsequent riots to the market, when residents of ZangonKataf and Katafs clashed over control of the market.
7.1999, ethno religious attacks against Southern Kaduna and other Christians in Kaduna North LGA, and reverberations inKafanchan and environs.
8. 2000, Sharia riots, when the KDHA arbitrarily proceeded to debate imposition of Sharia in Kaduna State. The riots were in Kaduna, Zaria, Kano, Katsinaetc, where Southern Kaduna people were killed, beaten, matcheted, etc.
9.2000, at the Federal College of Education, Zaria, when Christian students were attacked and killed and injured, and the Catholic Church burnt by Muslim students in the College.
10.2001, ethnic cleansing to move non-Muslims from Kaduna North LGA, after the failure of attempts to impose sharia on Kaduna State.
11.2002, BirninGwari, when a woman was killed, and they alleged that the killer was wearing a fez cap; one Kataf man who had been away at Zaria when the incident occurred, retrned to BirninGwar and was killed, several other “Katafs” i.e Southern Kaduna people were killed, their houses and property burn.
12.2002, FCE Zaria, when violent Muslim youth from Tudun Wada, attacked the girlshostel at night, killed, maimed, injured, raped and traumatized the female students.
13.2002, when violent Muslim protesters attacked Christians under the cover of opposition to Miss World Pageant.
14.2006, violent attack and killings of Christian students at the FCE, Zaria byMuslims from Tudun Wada and Zaria City.
15.2009 crisis in Piti District of Piriga Chiefdom in Lere LGA, over the appointment of district head, leading to police harassment and detention of officials of Piti National Development Association, when powerful forces in Lere and Kaduna wanted a Muslim as theDistrict Head.
16.2010, at Kidache area in Chawai Chiefdom, when cattle herders attacked the area in apparent retaliation of the killing of their clansmen in neighbouring Plateau, and killed nine local Chawai people.
17.2011 post election attacks on Southern Kaduna and other Christians in Zaria, Kaduna, Zonkwa and Kafanchan, following incendiary comments and incitement by political party leaders during the 2011 presidential election. This crisis was planned and unleashed as a political uprising in ten northern States, but when they started in Zaria and Kaduna, churches and houses were burnt, the Kafanchan market was burnt, pastors and other innocent persons were killed, injured and rendered homeless, generating a reaction for self defence, for which the Southern Kaduna people have been castigated, vilified, attacked, grievously injured and killed in a systematic campaign of guerilla night attacks by Fulanis and their allies.
18.April 20, 2011, at Anchuna, Ikulu Chiefdom, ZangonKataf LGA, when Fulani set ablaze the garden surrounding the Reverend Father’s Compound, when they were sighted and chased away, and the fire brought under control.
19.August, 2011, Fulani attacked Gwong communities of AngwanYaro and Yuli in Kussom District of Gwong Chiefdom, Jema’a LGA, for two days, and the villagers mounted a defence, captured some of the attackers with their guns and ammunition, handed them over to the military, who handed them to the police, who promptly released them.
20.August, 2011, at AngwanRana, Bitaro District, Jaba LGA, when Fulanis operating from Kagarko LGA attacked the community, killed several and seriously injured many others. To date, no arrests have been made, even when their route could and was clearly traced.
21.August 21, 2011, when Fulani attacked FadiaBakut, near Zonkwa, killed several people, and severely wounded others.
22.November 4, 2011, at Tabak, Bajju Chiefdom, ZangonKataf LGA, when women observing a night vigil at the local church, were attacked, three were instantly killed, many badly wounded.
23.September 2, 2011, during the Sallah celebration at Kafanchan, when a Sallah procession was allowed to take place under heavy police and military guard, and the celebrants-in-procession carried and waved different weapons, including machetes, knives, swords, cutlasses and other dangerous instruments of war. Under police and military protection, the participants in the procession hurled insults at the indigenous people; “Masukasa sun iso; Arnasaisubadawuri”, which roughly translates: the Owners of the land have arrived; the pagans have to give way. They drove their motor cycles wildly, knocked down and killed two Arna women. The youths reacted, mounted barricades to potect their communities. Late in the evening of that day, after they completed their guard duty over the procession, the army JTF launched attacks on houses at Adauwan, Federation, and the houses near the new market, breaking down doors, dragging out youths, hammered them with gun butts, beat and brutalized them.
24.September 3, 2011, when the mothers of the youths protested by wearing black clothes and to go protest to the Local Government Chairman, some of our pastors, intervened and upstaged the peaceful demonstration; the Men of God sabotaged the women, claiming that “CAN” would organize a “better” protest, which never came.
25.November 5 and 6, 2011, continued attacks on Fadia, FadanKaje, Kurmin Bi, in Bajju Chiefdom, ZangonKataf LGA.
26. November 8, 2011, when in AngwarMasara in Kafanchan, the village head, MalamBulusAdamu with his wife, LadiAdamu, in spite of curfew, was killed by unknown gunmen.
27. November 9, 2011, at Kafanchan, reactions over continued attacks on villages in Kafanchan in Jema’a and in ZangonKataf LGA.
28.December 11, 2011, at KukumDaji, Kagoro Chiefdom, Kaura LGA, when Fulani attacked the village, killed the wife of the Ward head, and almost killed the Ward Head and a neighbour.
29.December, 2011, various dates, when guinea corn farms of four farmers in DutsenBako District, and others in Anchuna District, Ikulu Chiefdom, were completely burnt, leading to serious losses of food and investment in these areas.
30.December 20, 2011 at FadanDaji, Kagoro Chiefdom, when five people were killed, and sixth person died in the hospital from gunshot wounds, when Fulani attacked the Village.
31.January 1st 2012, at Zunuruk, in Garaje District of Kagoro Chiefdom, Kaura LGA, when four people were critically injured.
32.13th February, 2012, when attackers seriously injured three people at Adan village in Agban District of Kagoro Chiefdom, Kaura LGA.
33.February 17, 2012, gun attack at Zonkwa, when two students were killed, one Kurama (male), and the other Gbagyi (female).
34.February 26th, 2012, at Adan Village, of Kagoro Chiefdom, Kaura LGA, when one person was injured and two killed by people shooting from a car.
35.February 26th 2012, at Kahugu, Piriga Chiefdom in Lere LGA, when gunmen attacked meat sellers and shop keepers, leading to the death of six persons.
36.March 16, 2012, three villages in Chikun LGA were attacked, killing 10 people, including a pastor, injuring several others, burning houses and property.
37.March 20, 2012, an Attakar man killed and dismembered on the Ziliang hills, in Takkad chiefdom of Kaura LGA.
38.May 2012, attempts to steal Attakar-owned cattle foiled by the community
39.November 15, 2012, at Madauchi, Zonkwa, when an entire family of 7 was killed and their corpses burnt, just a kilometer away from a heavily armed military checkpoint.
40.February 7, 2013, Aduwan village, Bajju chiefdom, attacked and five people were killed, several injured.
41.March 1, 2013, Boko Haram attacked Government Secondary School,FadanKaje.
42.May 23, 2013, another attack was launched on Bujju Chiefdom at Aduwan.
43.March 30, 2013, Attacks on several Takkad villages, leading to death of 28 people, burning of 200 houses and displacement of 4000 persons.
44.April 1, 2013, Attack on Zilang and Mafan villages of Takkad, killing 48 people, (25 women, 13 children and 7 men) injuring many others, destroying all houses and food supplies.
45.May 14, 2013, Zangang village attacked by over 100 invaders, killing 15 people and burning the houses of the village.
46.May 23, 2013, Zonkwa attacked at night, leading to fighting and repelling of the attackers.
47.July 21, 2013, FadanKaje village attacked, and fierce fighting took place throughout the nightbetween the indigene and the attackers, leading to death of some of the attackers.
48.August 20, 2013, Kajuru Police station attacked by terrorists, leading to the death of several policemen, and a hunt for the killers by members of the community; leading to arrests of the Adara youth and crisis in the area.
49.September 2, 2013, Adu village of Takkad chiefdom attacked, and 11 people were killed and several more injured.
50.February 5, 2014, at Manchok, Moroa Chiefdom, Fulani shot and slaughtered a family of 7 people, whereupon youth in the area chased out all Fulani cattle from the area.
51.March 14, 2014, five communities attacked by a large army of Fulani, killing 148 people, burning about 300 houses, burning harvested crops, blowing up churches and any prominent houses.
52.March 20 – 22, 2014, running battles between Fulani and Moroa youth at Bondon, where one person was killed and the Fulani driven out of the area.
53.April 3rd, an attempt by the Fulanis to invade Bondon village at night was repelled by heavy gunfighting and they retreated.
54. Currently the series of sanga attacks, where about 20 villages attacked from June till this September. Women and children killed even pregnant women with massacred and the babies in their wombs removed and sliced into pieces.
GBTYO: If you have never set your foot in the north then I suggest you don't post on this thread.
My job has taken me to 5 core northern states ; Sokoto, Kano, Katsina, Yobe and Jigawa. I have also been to fringe states like Bauchi, Gombe, Kaduna, Adamawa and Niger and I can tell you authoratively that the north is a sh1thole waiting to explode.
Fringe states like Bauchi, Kaduna, Minna and Gombe are highly volatile because of the sizeable indigenous Christian population.
The Christians live in absolute subjugation under the Hausa Fulani moslem ummah.
Education is totally haram except for the elite and children of civil servants.
Fridays are volatile where Christians keep their movements minimal or restricted from city centres and or into moslem dominated neighbourhoods.
You will stand out like a red neck lizard if you are dressed in kafuri attire.
Unlike in the south where your pocket determines where you can rent or build a house, the north is segregated along sectarian lines.
Vice such as drug abuse, alcoholism, adultery fornication , prostituti0n and sodomy are widespread and the level of hypocrisy stinks.
Widespread desperate poverty greets you everywhere you go from the highbrow residential areas to the walled off Kofar Dorbar districts.
Religion in the form of islam is more like a vice cult than a spiritual movement.
I always heave a heavy sigh when my assignments are through in the north.
i was born in kaduna, i agree with all your aforementioned points, but on your assertion that education is completely haram is wrong, they mostly don't considers it haram, they just won't go major cos of juvenile delinquency which is prevalent among northern adolescents. I also observed this is more common among the poor hausa/fulani's but not other minor tribes.
There is no way we will get a bill for referendum for both Niger Delta and Biafra seccession because the same yorubas, hausa fulanis and Middle belt will kill the motion immediately.
As things stand we are waiting for the great afonja wars of the 21st century to kick start.
It is out of this fog of war that we will simply leave Nigeria without a shot fired in anger.
This is why I like buhari and his cpc fascists faction of the apc. They are so filled with hatred of every other group not hausa fulani that they have divided this country beyond repair.
The next war will be fought in yoruba land because very soon something very revolutionary will happen that will make the Yoruba nation to declare seccession.
We will decieve you that we are with you but will not lift a finger in help. We shall goad you into secceding and fighting for independence but at the most crucial moment we will embrace the same north. When you guys don weak we go pull out.
I wish you can see how hard am laughing cause of the nonsense you wrote up there You ibos are not ready to leave Nigeria,when you guys are ready your representatives in the federal and state level will start taking step,and believe me 99% of yorubas will support the motion of ibos secession
When Yakowa was murdered by Northerners with a bomb placed in his chopper, Muslims in kaduna and Zaria hit the streets in jubilation that their tin god allah had rid them of an infidel as leader.
Go and study what the koran, hadiths and suras say on how Muslims are to treat infidels.
The kafurs are not to join the army or bear arms. Is that not the reality on ground today with the shoddy appointments so far?
The kafurs are to be heavily taxed and their economic progress checked. When you have emirs owning oil Wells and having free access to forex from their bedrooms which they sell in the parallel market to genuine southern business men. Or how about subsidy granted to hajj pilgrims but southerners with children abroad schooling are barred.
Even Dangote is being supported to own oil refineries on the south and fools like you are clapping for him.
When I oppose remaining in this sharia infested cesspit Afonjas like you will be throwing tantrums over nothing.
Better wake up and fight for your future and stop meddling with the aspirations of both the SS and SE because 30yrs from now your children will curse your generation of myopic fools.
if you Ibos are tired of Nigeria you better start taking steps to leave,the Yoruba's are not ready to fight for you
