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Re: Can Jesus Die For Our Sins? by 4everGod1: 10:05am On Oct 07, 2016
hopefulLandlord:


read my comment again, this time S L O W L Y


He really does not need to read your post any slower than he did. He asked a question which you have been asked on tons of threads and you always gave the same response, "I DON'T KNOW"...Yet you go around bashing everyone else who Is a Christian who has said THEY KNOW. But I dont see you bashing evolutionists. Abi do you suddenly KNOW when it comes to them? Are you fallacious or simply having a double standard or probably deceptive.....For me I would go with all three.

So on what authority do you bash and ridicule with since YOU DON'T KNOW?
Re: Can Jesus Die For Our Sins? by 4everGod1: 10:10am On Oct 07, 2016
hopefulLandlord:


his noodliness touch our everyday lives

The claim that the below is a 3200 year old typo is preposterous. According to an expert, the Flying Spaghetti Monster is actually the "Son of Ra" the god of the sun and way older than these upstart "sons of god"/prophets from just a couple thousand years ago or less. Two meatballs, spaghetti, bowl...obvious. Pasta be with you all on the glorious day.

You Post an image depiction of a cat and cannot even see that the nose has whiskers and a mouth below with 2 circular eyes on it.

The rest of your comment simply leaves me gobsmacked and opens my eyes to why YOU REALLY DO NOT KNOW AND CANNOT KNOW.
Re: Can Jesus Die For Our Sins? by hopefulLandlord: 10:16am On Oct 07, 2016
4everGod1:


You Post an image depiction of a cat and cannot even see that the nose has whiskers and a mouth below with 2 circular eyes on it.

The rest of your comment simply leaves me gobsmacked and opens my eyes to why YOU REALLY DO NOT KNOW AND CANNOT KNOW.

you have a carnal mind, so you can't see it properly

Two meatballs, spaghetti, bowl...obvious
Re: Can Jesus Die For Our Sins? by 4everGod1: 10:21am On Oct 07, 2016
hopefulLandlord:


you have a carnal mind, so you can't see it properly

Two meatballs, spaghetti, bowl...obvious


He really does not need to read your post
any slower than he did. He asked a question
which you have been asked on tons of
threads and you always gave the same
response, "I DON'T KNOW"...Yet you go
around bashing everyone else who Is a
Christian who has said THEY KNOW. But I
dont see you bashing evolutionists. Abi do
you suddenly KNOW when it comes to
them? Are you fallacious or simply having a
double standard or probably
deceptive.....For me I would go with all
three.
So on what authority do you bash and
ridicule with since YOU DON'T KNOW?


Don't skip my above post so u would answer the one after iit. Answer my question. Your very words raised the question in my mind so douse my curiousity.
Re: Can Jesus Die For Our Sins? by Anas09: 10:21am On Oct 07, 2016
Amberon:
Christianity must really give you sleepless nights. In less than two hours you already made five anti Christian threads. You're losing so much sleep on christianity.
The guy has ulcers already. We are a serious threat to this devil worshippers.

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Re: Can Jesus Die For Our Sins? by Anas09: 10:22am On Oct 07, 2016
4everGod1:



Kolomentally kolomental....Smh
You even tried to read and reply what he wrote. I don't.
Re: Can Jesus Die For Our Sins? by hopefulLandlord: 10:26am On Oct 07, 2016
4everGod1:



He really does not need to read your post
any slower than he did. He asked a question
which you have been asked on tons of
threads and you always gave the same
response, "I DON'T KNOW"...Yet you go
around bashing everyone else who Is a
Christian who has said THEY KNOW. But I
dont see you bashing evolutionists. Abi do
you suddenly KNOW when it comes to
them? Are you fallacious or simply having a
double standard or probably
deceptive.....For me I would go with all
three.
So on what authority do you bash and
ridicule with since YOU DON'T KNOW?


Don't skip my above post so u would answer the one after iit. Answer my question. Your very words raised the question in my mind so douse my curiousity.

because I know The Flying Spaghetti Monster is the one true god

others are fake

he just appeared to me minutes ago to reveal himself to me

telling me he has a beer volcano and stripper factory awaiting me in afterlife

I've told you many times why I bash every god idea, I hate repeating myself
maybe you should go through my posts again to refresh your memory

Re: Can Jesus Die For Our Sins? by 4everGod1: 10:33am On Oct 07, 2016
hopefulLandlord:


because I know The Flying Spaghetti Monster is the one true god

others are fake

he just appeared to me minutes ago to reveal himself to me

telling me he has a beer volcano and stripper factory awaiting me in afterlife

I've told you many times why I bash every god idea, I hate repeating myself
maybe you should go through my posts again to refresh your memory


You don't get it do you?

Since you claim to be OPENMINDED and also claim that YOU DON'T KNOW if God is real and not that HE ABSOLUTELY DOES NOT EXIST why then do you bash those who say THEY KNOW? if you were truly OPEBMINDED as you claim and wish TO KNOW shouldnt you be investigative rather than insultive?

Shouldnt you be open to all truths rather than a few? Shouldnt you be honest rather than deceptive?

Is it that since you DO NOT KNOW you have resigned yourself to the fate of NOT KNOWING so really do not care when even the truth is before you? Alas that is not even the case because like I said in my other comment YOUR I DONT KNOW MOMENTS ONLY POP UP WHEN IT HAS TO DO WITH CHRISTIANITY.
Re: Can Jesus Die For Our Sins? by Anas09: 10:38am On Oct 07, 2016
hopefulLandlord:


because I know The Flying Spaghetti Monster is the one true god

others are fake

he just appeared to me minutes ago to reveal himself to me

telling me he has a beer volcano and stripper factory awaiting me in afterlife

I've told you many times why I bash every god idea, I hate repeating myself
maybe you should go through my posts again to refresh your memory
This is the kind of emptiness an intelligent and reasonable Christian lady with her right senses will think of marrying becos he has sperms? Shaking my very sesible head.
Re: Can Jesus Die For Our Sins? by hopefulLandlord: 10:40am On Oct 07, 2016
4everGod1:



You don't get it do you?

Since you claim to be OPENMINDED and also claim that YOU DON'T KNOW if God is real and not that HE ABSOLUTELY DOES NOT EXIST why then do you bash those who say THEY KNOW? if you were truly OPEBMINDED as you claim and wish TO KNOW shouldnt you be investigative rather than insultive?

Shouldnt you be open to all truths rather than a few? Shouldnt you be honest rather than deceptive?

Is it that since you DO NOT KNOW you have resigned yourself to the fate of NOT KNOWING so really do not care when even the truth is before you? Alas that is not even the case because like I said in my other comment YOUR I DONT KNOW MOMENTS ONLY POP UP WHEN IT HAS TO DO WITH CHRISTIANITY.


"insultive"? lmao, are you talking about yourself?

it seems my " I don't know" is being misconstrued by you

I'm still open minded about Yahweh same way I'm open minded about Odin, Flying Spaghetti Monster, Invisible Pink Unicorn, Voltron, Harry Potter, hogwarts, Gotham City, Banshee, big foot, Centaur, chimera, Tooth Fairy, Goblin, Theseus, Minotaur

don't think my "I don't know" flatter Yahweh

since you "know" prove it while not putting forward the same empty claims we've heard many times over
Re: Can Jesus Die For Our Sins? by hopefulLandlord: 10:41am On Oct 07, 2016
Anas09:

This is the kind of emptiness an intelligent and reasonable Christian lady with her right senses will think of marrying becos he has sperms? Shaking my very sesible head.

you're quoting me again

aren't you done with me?

you're acting like a bitter ex girlfriend every time

you quote me today, then say you're done with me tomorrow

abeg shift

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Re: Can Jesus Die For Our Sins? by 4everGod1: 10:47am On Oct 07, 2016
hopefulLandlord:


"insultive"? lmao, are you talking about yourself?

it seems my " I don't know" is being misconstrued by you

I'm still open minded about Yahweh same way I'm open minded about Odin, Flying Spaghetti Monster, Invisible Pink Unicorn, Voltron, Harry Potter, hogwarts, Gotham City, Banshee, big foot, Centaur, chimera, Tooth Fairy, Goblin, Theseus, Minotaur

don't think my "I don't know" flatter Yahweh

since you "know" prove it while not putting forward the same empty claims we've heard many times over

If you understood my post then you would not have responded with this.

You are open minded about all you listed there yet you NEVER EVER EVER TALK ABOUT THEM
INVESTIGAVELY like someone who wishes to know.

Am I the only one you discuss with for you to think I meant me when I said you were being insultive...Its a norm with you daily.

If anyone is truthly desirous of anything they ask questions in line with that which they seek and discover and not demanding for proof from those who already know because the proof those who know had that made them believe may not be sufficient for another. Everyone has PERSONAL experiences.

How far have you gone to find out the truth for yourself outside your apparent comfort zone.
Re: Can Jesus Die For Our Sins? by hopefulLandlord: 10:57am On Oct 07, 2016
4everGod1:


If you understood my post then you would not have responded with this.

You are open minded about all you listed there yet you NEVER EVER EVER TALK ABOUT THEM
INVESTIGAVELY like someone who wishes to know.

because none of them is as disruptive to the average life of the atheist as the Christian and Muslim god

I wonder how many times I'll tell you this

and its majorly online I have a voice about atheism when I'm in Nigeria


Am I the only one you discuss with for you to think I meant me when I said you were being insultive...Its a norm with you daily.

I hardly insult people on this forum, I could go out on a limb to say I've never insulted anyone, if I did, I'm very sure I've insulted people less than you've done, or how many times have you seen me call someone stupid, idiot, dumb, fools, uneducated, unintelligent compared to you?

what I meant was you being insultive, you're much more mature now though compared to months ago, discussing with people like me might be responsible for that

anyways enough of this back and forth, I've already broken my new longest back and forth in my second coming

you win!!
Re: Can Jesus Die For Our Sins? by 4everGod1: 11:09am On Oct 07, 2016
hopefulLandlord:


because none of them is as disruptive to the average life of the atheist as the Christian and Muslim god

I wonder how many times I'll tell you this

and its majorly online I have a voice about atheism when I'm in Nigeria


I hardly insult people on this forum, I could go out on a limb to say I've never insulted anyone, if I did, I'm very sure I've insulted people less than you've done, or how many times have you seen me call someone stupid, idiot, dumb, fools, uneducated, unintelligent compared to you?

what I meant was you being insultive, you're much more mature now though compared to months ago, discussing with people like me might be responsible for that

anyways enough of this back and forth, I've already broken my new longest back and forth in my second coming

you win!!

So you admit that christianity gives you relevance as an atheist... interesting!

Will you say that when in India or China or Fiji you would honestly bash their beliefs since they would also have it all in your face as you termed Christianity to be?

I sincerelt would like to see you truthfully being openminded and I usuggest you read up about open minded atheists and see how they are and how they converse and borrow a leaf from them.

Describing someone isnt an insult. I have never called anyone a fool here on Nairaland or even in real life because the word is heavy for my tongue to carry but I can call you stupid descriptively likewise unintelligent based on a comment but not as an insult.

Be true and honest to yourself and make ammendments. Be a true seeker and not a closeminded one.
Re: Can Jesus Die For Our Sins? by hopefulLandlord: 11:21am On Oct 07, 2016
4everGod1:


So you admit that christianity gives you relevance as an atheist... interesting!
gerrarahia jor

Christianity gives who? abeg shift if you can't comprehend what I've been saying and using your confirmation bias to make it all about Christianity and making your own conclusions
you just proven talking to you here is a waste of my time from the above


Will you say that when in India or China or Fiji you would honestly bash their beliefs since they would also have it all in your face as you termed Christianity to be?

I would of course do the same if they can't give concrete evidence different from the usual appeal to ignorance and bags of air Christians give


I sincerelt would like to see you truthfully being openminded and I usuggest you read up about open minded atheists and see how they are and how they converse and borrow a leaf from them.

maybe you should also be open minded, it ain't a bad thing, is it?


Describing someone isnt an insult. I have never called anyone a fool here on Nairaland or even in real life because the word is heavy for my tongue to carry but I can call you stupid descriptively likewise unintelligent based on a comment but not as an insult.

interesting, but I'm "insultive"


Be true and honest to yourself and make ammendments. Be a true seeker and not a closeminded one.
its you who seriously needs to rather than display confirmation bias and empty words like you've done since

abeg, you win, abi you no like am?

I'm done here
Re: Can Jesus Die For Our Sins? by Oilwell(m): 11:25am On Oct 07, 2016
hopefulLandlord:


I'm not antichristian, I'm atheist

all gods are figments of imagination including yours

we bash Christian god more for obvious reasons and I won't go over that reason for the umpteenth time

I know it must feel good for you to use Christianity in place of all religion to make yourself feel bette but I'm not gonna kill that delusion of yours, it might be what keeps you going

wish you an awesome day

Guy you can form atheist all you want .but when you are all alone and look deep within urself .all u will see within u is EMPTINESS.
U need Jesus. He loves you more dan ur little mind(ur mind or d human mind is too small to grab his love) can comprehend
Re: Can Jesus Die For Our Sins? by hopefulLandlord: 11:30am On Oct 07, 2016
Oilwell:


Guy you can form atheist all you want .but when you are all alone and look deep within urself .all u will see within u is EMPTINESS.
U need Jesus. He loves you more dan ur little mind(ur mind or d human mind is too small to grab his love) can comprehend

here I am, looking at you like.....

Re: Can Jesus Die For Our Sins? by mrZENographer: 11:31am On Oct 07, 2016
4everGod1:


Or simply because it would be a huge dent in Biological authority which came from science..... I suggest you research this.


So much cover up just to keep certain persons happy....

You say you are open minded so feel free to sniff around...

Everything with you shouldnt have to be God God God yu know? You talk about Him even more than I do and I am a Christian while you are an Atheist. Shouldnt the roles be reversed?

Hopefullandlord should also scrutinize human history evolving from dark stone ages. The ancient civilizations were far more advanced than ours. And there is lots and lots of objects, monuments, technologies to prove this. Just start researching.

EVOLUTION, STONE/BRONZE AGE etc were all cooked up by the global elites controlling the Educational system.
Re: Can Jesus Die For Our Sins? by Oilwell(m): 11:32am On Oct 07, 2016
Abdulgaffar22:
Christians believe that Jesus died for our sins: yet Deuteronomy 24:16,
Ezekiel 18:20-22, Jeremiah 31:30,2nd Chronicles 25:4, 2nd Kings 14:6 and
Exodus 32:30-33 established that the person that commits sin is the one who
will die. Even logically, this very doctrine cannot be true because telling
the believers that they will no longer be held responsible for all their
sins since one innocent man has already been held responsible on their
behalf seems to imply that they are now free to commit sins in as much as
they believe in this substitutionary atonement sacrifice. Whereas telling
the believers that, unless they repent sincerely by turning from their
sinful ways, they themselves will be held responsible for their sins would
make them think twice before committing any sin. Of course the latter is
more logical and reasonable than the former.

Guy you can form all you want .but when you are all alone and look deep within urself .all u will see within u is EMPTINESS.
U need Jesus. He loves you more dan ur little mind(ur mind or d human mind is too small to grab his love) can comprehend and yes he died for your Sins and reconciled you to God by his blood.
Re: Can Jesus Die For Our Sins? by EyeHateGod: 11:35am On Oct 07, 2016
Oilwell:


Guy you can form atheist all you want .but when you are all alone and look deep within urself .all u will see within u is EMPTINESS.
U need Jesus. He loves you more dan ur little mind(ur mind or d human mind is too small to grab his love) can comprehend
Lol u can Think Jesus loved u all u want but when u look within u You find emptiness!

U need to Accept Allah and Muhammad is his only messenger ur mind is to small to grab the love Allah has for u you need to come to him and start worshiping him!
Re: Can Jesus Die For Our Sins? by mrZENographer: 11:51am On Oct 07, 2016
Abdulgaffar22:
Christians believe that Jesus died for our sins: yet Deuteronomy 24:16,
Ezekiel 18:20-22, Jeremiah 31:30,2nd Chronicles 25:4, 2nd Kings 14:6 and
Exodus 32:30-33 established that the person that commits sin is the one who
will die. Even logically, this very doctrine cannot be true because telling
the believers that they will no longer be held responsible for all their
sins since one innocent man has already been held responsible on their
behalf seems to imply that they are now free to commit sins in as much as
they believe in this substitutionary atonement sacrifice. Whereas telling
the believers that, unless they repent sincerely by turning from their
sinful ways, they themselves will be held responsible for their sins would
make them think twice before committing any sin. Of course the latter is
more logical and reasonable than the former.

Ask yourself. Why did the Children of Isreal in all their generations from Prophet Moses to Jonah, sacrifice animals(unblemished rams, goats) for the cleansing of their sins? WHY WHY WHY. THINK.

Sacrifice is mandatory. God told Moses in book of LEVITICUS. 'You shall give life for life, tooth for tooth'. The punishment for sin is death. Therefore they must kill by law in other not to be killed or suffer God's wrath.

God sent Jesus to pay the ultimate sacrifice which no man was qualified to. Since then, salvation no more requires animal sacrifice as in JUDAISM. Moreover through the sacrifice of Jesus, salvation has been extended to the Gentiles (Everyone not from Isreal).

The sacrifice of Jesus doesnt give believers license to commit sin.

Romans 6:1" Shall we continue in sin that grace may abound? GOD FORBID".

1 Cor 6:9 "Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived, neither fornicators, nor adulterers. ...."

1 Cor 5:11 "But I have written unto you that if a man who us called a brother be a fornicator, covetous.. do not even eat with such a person.

THE WORK OF JESUS GIVES NO CREDENCE FOR SIN. However,while yet alive, there remains opportunity to retrace his steps and repent from all ungodliness.
Re: Can Jesus Die For Our Sins? by EyeHateGod: 11:51am On Oct 07, 2016
mrZENographer:


EVOLUTION, STONE/BRONZE AGE etc were all cooked up by the global elites controlling the Educational system.
HOW??
Re: Can Jesus Die For Our Sins? by APCsupporter: 1:19pm On Oct 07, 2016
Abdulgaffar22:
Christians believe that Jesus died for our sins: yet Deuteronomy 24:16,
Ezekiel 18:20-22, Jeremiah 31:30,2nd Chronicles 25:4, 2nd Kings 14:6 and
Exodus 32:30-33 established that the person that commits sin is the one who
will die. Even logically, this very doctrine cannot be true because telling
the believers that they will no longer be held responsible for all their
sins since one innocent man has already been held responsible on their
behalf seems to imply that they are now free to commit sins in as much as
they believe in this substitutionary atonement sacrifice. Whereas telling
the believers that, unless they repent sincerely by turning from their
sinful ways, they themselves will be held responsible for their sins would
make them think twice before committing any sin. Of course the latter is
more logical and reasonable than the former.

They are simply confused. Do you know that they are arguing within themselves about whether Jesus is God or the son of God?

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Re: Can Jesus Die For Our Sins? by felixomor: 4:33pm On Oct 07, 2016
APCsupporter:


They are simply confused. Do you know that they are arguing within themselves about whether Jesus is God or the son of God?

And what will u say of the person who believes seventy virgins are waiting for him when he dies, in paradise? cool

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Re: Can Jesus Die For Our Sins? by 4everGod1: 4:41pm On Oct 07, 2016
APCsupporter:


They are simply confused. Do you know that they are arguing within themselves about whether Jesus is God or the son of God?

Is the Best Allah has to offer you for your servitude towards him while on earth wine and loads of "virgins"? Is this all you have to look forward to? On earth Mohammed had a penchant for everything Sex and He documented these in the Quran and claimed Allah gave him the revelation so in essence his Allah also had a penchant for everything sexual. Is this the core lack in Islam that Allah aims to fill in Islams Heaven?

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Re: Can Jesus Die For Our Sins? by APCsupporter: 4:44pm On Oct 07, 2016
felixomor:


And what will u say of the person who believes seventy virgins are waiting for him when he dies, in paradise? cool

What's so bad about it?
Re: Can Jesus Die For Our Sins? by APCsupporter: 4:46pm On Oct 07, 2016
4everGod1:


Is the Best Allah has to offer you for your servitude towards him while on earth wine and loads of "virgins"? Is this all you have to look forward to? On earth Mohammed had a penchant for everything Sex and He documented these in the Quran and claimed Allah gave him the revelation so in essence his Allah also had a penchant for everything sexual. Is this the core lack in Islam that Allah aims to fill in Islams Heaven?


Aside praying what do you do in ur heaven? Your god himself is a great fan of konji cos he rraped his daughter Mary.
Re: Can Jesus Die For Our Sins? by 4everGod1: 4:49pm On Oct 07, 2016
APCsupporter:


Aside praying what do you do in ur heaven? Your god himself is a great fan of konji cos he rraped his daughter Mary.

Sigh! I see explaining the bolded to you would be like talking to a brick wall so i wouldnt bother trying. Assuming my Heaven has only prayer to offer which it doesnt...Is Prayer not better than sexual debauchery everyhere in the Muslim Heaven?
Re: Can Jesus Die For Our Sins? by 4everGod1: 4:49pm On Oct 07, 2016
APCsupporter:


Aside praying what do you do in ur heaven? Your god himself is a great fan of konji cos he rraped his daughter Mary.

Sigh! I see explaining the bolded to you would be like talking to a brick wall so i wouldnt bother trying. Assuming my Heaven has only prayer to offer which it doesnt...Is Prayer not better than sexual debauchery everywhere in the Muslim Heaven?





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Re: Can Jesus Die For Our Sins? by felixomor: 4:51pm On Oct 07, 2016
APCsupporter:


What's so bad about it?

Everything. cool
Re: Can Jesus Die For Our Sins? by APCsupporter: 5:21pm On Oct 07, 2016
4everGod1:


Sigh! I see explaining the bolded to you would be like talking to a brick wall so i wouldnt bother trying. Assuming my Heaven has only prayer to offer which it doesnt...Is Prayer not better than sexual debauchery everywhere in the Muslim Heaven?





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Lol
Re: Can Jesus Die For Our Sins? by Kobojunkiee: 8:44pm On May 04, 2023
Abdulgaffar22:
■ Christians believe that Jesus died for our sins: yet Deuteronomy 24:16, Ezekiel 18:20-22, Jeremiah 31:30,2nd Chronicles 25:4, 2nd Kings 14:6 and Exodus 32:30-33 established that the person that commits sin is the one who will die. Even logically, this very doctrine cannot be true because telling the believers that they will no longer be held responsible for all their
sins since one innocent man has already been held responsible on their behalf seems to imply that they are now free to commit sins in as much as they believe in this substitutionary atonement sacrifice. Whereas telling the believers that, unless they repent sincerely by turning from their sinful ways, they themselves will be held responsible for their sins would make them think twice before committing any sin. Of course the latter is more logical and reasonable than the former. Besides, we are told in the gospel that Jesus forgave sin while he was still alive. When he forgave sin, he didn’t say it would be forgiven some time in the future after his death and resurrection. He said “your sins are forgiven.” sounds like present-tense to me. So if he could forgive sin without dying, why did he have to die at all?
1. Well, according to Jesus Christ, what He did was die in order to provide the lost sheep of Israel---- those cursed and scattered by God without a path to redemption in His Old Law --- such a path by which they could pay off their sin debt and return back to God. And this path to redemption was afforded them by the Passover Lamb, Jesus Christ much like the Passover lamb of Old - Exodus 12. - did. undecided

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