tess1:

Pep went to Camp Nou to face a Barca team that has one of the best front three in football and didn't deem it fit to play a recognize striker or his best striker. A place he knows that chances will be hard to come by for that matter. To me, that's a tactical blunder. And nobody is really saying anything about that!

Pep on his decision to not start Aguero.
"But Guardiola said he selected an XI without a recognised striker in an attempt to match Barcelona in midfield and prevent them from establishing their customary dominance."

And if you watched the first half of the game it was totally justified,because they chewed and spitted out our midfield in the first 45minutes.

Then Bravo.

To be honest, I don't understand how a coach that coached a club for four years can't find a way to nullify the same players he coached and yet
they term him the best Tactician. I honestly don't get it. Can't pep just find a way to stop messi from continuously disgracing him? Nawao

Greatihex:
To be honest, I don't understand how a coach that coached a club for four years can't find a way to nullify the same players he coached and yet
they term him the best Tactician. I honestly don't get it. Can't pep just find a way to stop messi from continuously disgracing him? Nawao

if only Mourinho can qualify to face the current Madrid, we might be able to see how easy your hypothesis is

raumdeuter:


if only Mourinho can qualify to face the current Madrid, we might be able to see how easy your hypothesis is

Mourinho dealt with his Chelsea team home and away

bigkesh:

Mourinho dealt with his Chelsea team home and away

Chelsea has never won the CL before and were not on the level of Barca and Madrid

Let Mourinho take his current team and face Madrid

PietroRico:
So anything thats not gung ho football Is now parking the bus.

It's either you are parking bus or going for All attack.
Issorite

Bros i tire for some reasoning mehn. Like one can't set up his team to reject space and maintain a good defensive shape again?

Individual errors didn't bring Citeh to their feet lastnite, Pep's ineptitude did. Top managers know when to re-strategise and that's what separates them from average joes like Roberto Martinez and Steve Bruce.

Having so much conviction in your philosophy even in the face of death is madness. Pragmatism is what makes you a manager not fantasy.

raumdeuter:


if only Mourinho can qualify to face the current Madrid, we might be able to see how easy your hypothesis is

We can conclude then that Pep was overhyped. That his successes with Barca and Bayern could have been achieved by any other coach eg Enrique.

City offered him a reality test. The man should be humble now.

sinizia:


His titles, his brand of football makes him a great tactician. If he's a poor tactician, most clubs won't be scrambling for his signature. United, Chelsea, PSG, etc were all chasing him. A poor tactician cannot command such respect

fergie isn't known to be a great tactician but he's one of the greatest mangers of all time, pep might be a great manager (according to u guys) but he's no tactician, a manager that plays one style of footie all time [without getting any result] doesn't know anything about tactics,
looking for tacticians? simeone check, jose check, van gaal check, ancelotti check, conte check... tacticians.

raumdeuter:


if only Mourinho can qualify to face the current Madrid, we might be able to see how easy your hypothesis is

why don't you check how players that mou have coached have fared whenever they played against his team.

Pep is a classy manager, I rather play my game and lose than park the bus. Losing 4 0 in camp nou isn't a shame. Fergie lost there 4 0, wenger 6 1, mourinho 5 0

Griffon:


Bros i tire for some reasoning mehn. Like one can't set up his team to reject space and maintain a good defensive shape again?

Individual errors didn't bring Citeh to their feet lastnite, Pep's ineptitude did. Top managers know when to re-strategise and that's what separates them from average joes like Roberto Martinez and Steve Bruce.

Having so much conviction in your philosophy even in the face of death is madness. Pragmatism is what makes you a manager not fantasy.

It's now a crime to recognise when a team is better than yours and for once moderate things without necessarily being ultra defensive.

If only that stůpid ref during the derby had given bravo the red card he deserved...

I respect pep and his work, no doubt. But, he should learn how to make his team dynamic and flexible. I hate it when someone is just stubborn for nothing.
Even wenger has learnt some lessons from his experience in England. He now knows how to close space and not leave his yansh open when the time calls for it.
It is not like pep can not tighten up at the back, because he did it against Manchester United in the league. I don't know why he can't just do the same after going a man down against Barca. Had it been he tighten a little at the back, maybe they would have started fighting again when Barca got their own red.
Well, that is by the way.
Why is no one talking about how sterling sent a player out within few minutes?

I could remember a season or two ago when Messi was nutmeggin the life outta Milner and Fernandinho,and pep was in the stands laughing his ass off!

Hope he did laugh last night

I didn't see the match buh from all indications a tactical goof has once again gotten him and City buttraped!

Bravo to Pep!

Nihilist:


Fernandinho is a central midfielder not a defensive midfielder.

"Fernandinho is well known for his blistering pace and ability to shoot from long distances. He is described as "A DEFENSIVE MIDFIELDER with a box to box style of play, contributing in large part to the defense and the attack. With a powerful shot and great passing range,
Fernandinho has played an important part in
breaking up opposition attacks and creating
goal scoring opportunities"




https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fernandinho_(footballer)




You know what he is mate....stop with the gimmicks!

Wait a minute he started De Bruyne as a striker and benched Aguero?.... what a genius!!!


I could remember when Mou did something similar, starting Hazard as a striker and folks where calling for his head!

LMAOOO

Spy360:

We can conclude then that Pep was overhyped. That his successes with Barca and Bayern could have been achieved by any other coach eg Enrique.

City offered him a reality test. The man should be humble now.

Garbage. What was the state of Barca before Pep got there? 2 back to back poor seasons finished the league 3rd 1points behind the eventual winners,

Pep came in sold Ronaldinho and Deco 3 of the leaders and 12 months later won the treble.

SHow me any manager who has done the equivalent in recent history

BossKratos:




"Fernandinho is well known for his blistering pace and ability to shoot from long distances. He is described as "A DEFENSIVE MIDFIELDER with a box to box style of play, contributing in large part to the defense and the attack. With a powerful shot and great passing range,
Fernandinho has played an important part in
breaking up opposition attacks and creating
goal scoring opportunities"




https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fernandinho_(footballer)




You know what he is mate....stop with the gimmicks!

The very same sentence describes him as a box-to-box midfielder.

Abi is this not the same Wikipedia?

I'm not interested in arguing semantics this morning abeg. It's pretty obvious what I meant re Fernandinho...if you dont get it then...sorry for your loss.

Ibime:


Stop exagerrating. Jose spent £275m in his first spell, some of that on Sheva who Roman signed. That same team carried us 10 years. When you watch old tapes of that team vs Barca and Bayern etc, you will weep for the current Chelsea setup.

How much did the ninny era team cost?

Oya start adding up the cost of Hazard, Willian, Cuadrado, Schurrle, Mata, Torres and co. Get your calculators out.

I heard you say Jose will not stand the test of time. Well I've got news for you, he has already stood the test of time. Jose started winnning with treble with Porto in 2002/2003, and was last seen winning in 2015. I dare you tell me how many of the great managers since you were born till now lasted 13 years at the very top. Is it Arrigo Sachhi? Marcelo Lippi? Van Gaal? Arsene Wenger? Who exactly won relentlessly for 13 years straight? Only SAF and Otmar Hitzfeld have won consistently over a longer period, and largely with one club.

How many top managers in the 90s stayed at the top a decade later? Football changes and rivals adapt tactics so any manager that can win for 13 years at the top is a great manager. Even the Pep Guardiola whose been going for 8 years is planning retirement in 5 years because no be beans to stay energetic with fresh ideas for that long.

So I have news for you. Jose has already stood the test of time. You've been writing the same obituary for him since 2007, yet he has won numerous titles since then, including a 2nd UCL. Quit it!

Jose may have spent £275m but there was a value of the team he met. There were purchases before he arrived. Maka, Lampard, Crespo Duff, Robben, Cech, Gallas to name a few. Go add the market value of those players. £400m or very close.

And it goes without saying that if you spent £400m in 2002 - 2004, that team should be best on the planet. I cannot find that article now but it explains the exponential level to which we were outspending other clubs in Europe. It was spending on an unprecedented scale. So please excuse my reluctance to show surprise about the team going on for the next 5 years at the top. I mean honestly, what else would the team have done?

In that era, no one was spending like this. No one before and none in that era until City and PSG came along. There is nothing to suggest that many managers, given the same access to huge amount of resources, wouldn't have built the same thing.

To give proper perspective, phucking Avram Grant almost won the CL with that team. Avram phucking Grant for Pete's sake!. Let no one tell me money did not play at least 60% of the job. If it didn't, let him come try that sh1t without money.

raumdeuter:


Playing like Simeone is sweet when you are a serious underdog like Atletico is vs Barca and Madrid

Madrid, Bayern Barca City other top clubs wont accept Simeones type of football never

Doesn't mean he isn't wanted
Chelsea and probably PSG looked his way this off season.
TBH,he knows when to let his boys run over other teams and when to be conservative.

SIRcumalot:

Doesn't mean he isn't wanted
Chelsea and probably PSG looked his way this off season.
TBH,he knows when to let his boys run over other teams and when to be conservative.

When you are at an elite club you want your team to run over opponents everyday. When Mourinho was winning ugly with Chelsea and even with Madrid the owners were complaining and just waiting for the slight mistake to fire him

Same thing happened with Di Matteo, he won the CL yet no one believed in him and many including his own club people felt he was just lucky

If Pep and Simeone had indicated interest in the same club, who do you think they will hire Pep or Simeone

Nihilist:


The very same sentence describes him as a box-to-box midfielder.

Abi is this not the same Wikipedia?

I'm not interested in arguing semantics this morning abeg. It's pretty obvious what I meant re Fernandinho...if you dont get it then...sorry for your loss.

LOSS? I'm not a bloody shitty fan....


mofo.....

BossKratos:



LOSS? I'm not a bloody shitty fan....


its funlord mofo.....

nateevs:
Jose may have spent £275m but there was a value of the team he met. There were purchases before he arrived. Maka, Duff, Robben, Cech, Gallas, etc. Go add the value. £400m or very close.

In that era, no one was spending like this. No one before and none in that era until City and PSG came along. There is nothing to suggest that many managers, given the same access to huge amount of resources wouldn't have built the same thing.

True. Chelsea already had a decent squad which only came second in the league to Arsenals invincible and at that time had financial monopoly almost all over Europe

There was no PSG, No Bayern, No other club spending at that rate or even close in the entire Europe

Check this link

http://www.transfermarkt.com/manchester-united/transfers/verein/985/plus/0?saison_id=2006&pos=&detailpos=&w_s=
http://www.transfermarkt.com/chelsea-fc/transfers/verein/631/plus/0?saison_id=2006&pos=&detailpos=&w_s=

in 2003 Chelsea spent 167M the next club was Man Utd who spent 55M
In 2004 Chelsea spent 163M the next club was Man Utd who spent 61M
In 2005 Chelsea spent 95M the next club was Man Utd who spent 31M
In 2006 Chelsea spent 88M(including a free transfer Ballack who in that market would have gone for over 35M) Man Utd spent 27M

So in the 4yrs Chelsea spent 513M and the nearest domestic rival spent 174M. Now when you factor that that was the time Arsenal was running pennies together That is what we call bringing gun to face catapults

Any team who has almost three times spending advantage over the nearest rival should not be surprised of they dominate

Nihilist:

Buhahahaha!

raumdeuter:


When you are at an elite club you want your team to run over opponents everyday. When Mourinho was winning ugly with Chelsea and even with Madrid the owners were complaining and just waiting for the slight mistake to fire him

Same thing happened with Di Matteo, he won the CL yet no one believed in him and many including his own club people felt he was just lucky

If Pep and Simeone had indicated interest in the same club, who do you think they will hire Pep or Simeone

What you want is different from what you need.
For all the fine football Chelsea wanted they came back to him again to Sheperd them to the league title.
I never even rule out the possibility of a third coming.

Di Matteo was lucky I don't know why you dey bring am up.
Concerning Pep and Simeone it depends on the club.

A40:


Baba this is easy to do when you have Eto'o Messi and Henry with Iniesta and Xavi conducting the orchestra. You don't carry that pattern with a team you just started managing less than 3 months. Just look at Bravo, what silly stunt was he trying to pull there?

His last two results at the Nou Camp are 0-7. Atleti packed bus and scored twice. Playing 1-1 and 2-1, and its not even about packing bus but just showing some defensive nous and organization when faced with a team with equal or superior firepower.

Combined 360minutes at Bernabeu, Calderon, Nou Camp. 0 goals scored 9 conceded. I defend Pep on a good day but he shouldn't be getting crushed that badly with our squad and City's

Infact what these numbers show is that he is neither attacking nor defending. Just losing

Raumdeuter!! This is your fellow Bayern fan. I told baldiola isn't really revered by the Bayern fans. You were there saying what I can't comprehend.

Greatihex:
I respect pep and his work, no doubt. But, he should learn how to make his team dynamic and flexible. I hate it when someone is just stubborn for nothing.
Even wenger has learnt some lessons from his experience in England. He now knows how to close space and not leave his yansh open when the time calls for it.
It is not like pep can not tighten up at the back, because he did it against Manchester United in the league. I don't know why he can't just do the same after going a man down against Barca. Had it been he tighten a little at the back, maybe they would have started fighting again when Barca got their own red.
Well, that is by the way.
Why is no one talking about how sterling sent a player out within few minutes?

But what exactly is tactical flexibility? Most times, it is not limited to an individual's understanding. Perhaps tactical flexibility is understanding that instead of playing a striker against Barcelona, I play an extra midfielder to crowd the midfield and prevent Barcelona from keeping possession. Thereby allowing us to stand a better chance of winning the game.

The difference is in mentality. Pep was going there with a mindset of 'WINNING'; different from what all you are suggesting - a mindset of 'NOT LOSING' losing.

What's to say you are right and Pep is wrong? Give us the stats of the number of teams that have gone there, parking the bus, and not lost.

Hmmmm.....waiting to watch tonite's champions league match between chelsea vs.................


Wait.......




The bus parkers are not even in europa league sef





bwahahahahahaha

nateevs:



But what exactly is tactical flexibility? Most times, it is not limited to an individual's understanding. Perhaps tactical flexibility is understanding that instead of playing a striker against Barcelona, I play an extra midfielder to crowd the midfield and prevent Barcelona from keeping possession. Thereby allowing us to stand a better chance of winning the game.

The difference is in mentality. Pep was going there with a mindset of 'WINING'; different from what all you are suggesting - a mindset of 'NOT LOSING' losing.

What's to say you are right and Pep is wrong? Give us the stats of the number of teams that have gone there, parking the bus, and not lost.

For someone with such a "not losing mindset"
His away record in the UCL tells a different story.

raumdeuter:


When you are at an elite club you want your team to run over opponents everyday. When Mourinho was winning ugly with Chelsea and even with Madrid the owners were complaining and just waiting for the slight mistake to fire him

Same thing happened with Di Matteo, he won the CL yet no one believed in him and many including his own club people felt he was just lucky

If Pep and Simeone had indicated interest in the same club, who do you think they will hire Pep or Simeone

i don't know why you keep mentioning di matteo as if he was sack for playing defensively. The season after winning the champions league, we all saw the type of football he played and what the club owner said he wanted.

nateevs:



But what exactly is tactical flexibility? Most times, it is not limited to an individual's understanding. Perhaps tactical flexibility is understanding that instead of playing a striker against Barcelona, I play an extra midfielder to crowd the midfield and prevent Barcelona from keeping possession. Thereby allowing us to stand a better chance of winning the game.

The difference is in mentality. Pep was going there with a mindset of 'WINING'; different from what all you are suggesting - a mindset of 'NOT LOSING' losing.

What's to say you are right and Pep is wrong? Give us the stats of the number of teams that have gone there, parking the bus, and not lost.

playing conservatively and parking the bus are not the same thing. It doesn't mean that playing conservatively means playing not to lose, but it means balancing the equation.


Don’t forget that the last four times Chelsea went there, they came back with a result.

SIRcumalot:

For someone with such a "not losing mindset"
His away record in the UCL tells a different story.

I think you need to re-read what I typed.