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Akdegreat:
With an honest aim of understanding the nature of God and his wonder displayed in nature, I had set out on a quest for 'truth'. As a very inquisitive person, a sound background in scientific methods further fueled my already curious and inquisitive nature beyond normal.

As a kid, I asked several questions;
"Since God created everything that exist, what if God never existed, and hence nothing whatsoever exists? I often tried to picture a dark and void space remaining that way for all of eternity!! Whenever I did, I got lost in my wild imaginations"
"How did God come to be? Who created him?"
"What if God never created life? How would the earth be then? I often repeated same imaginations again but this time with planets, asteroids and other heavenly bodies. Of course I got lost again, severally"
"What if I was never born? So I would never have experienced the beauty of life? Scary!"
"Why did Lucifer ruin the Paradise? For Christ sakes we all would have been there now. Why didn't God even kill Lucifer at once earlier to prevent it? He knew the future!"

I grew up into a devote Christian with different questions;
"With the so many religions on earth could we possibly be worshipping the same God in different ways?"
"If the God I worship in the bible is the one true God and creator of the universe, would he destroy non-christians in hell simply because they worshipped him wrongly?"
"Would God really condemn a devote Christian to hell after years of righteous living simply because he erred one time and dies without repentance? Would he now allow a person who has done heinous things into paradise simply because he finally accepts the salvation story in the end?". I had many more questions that bothered my mind but I'd stop there.

These questions didn't matter so much as I still upheld the Bible as truth and lived by its doctrines. On a second thought they must have sown the seed of doubt in my mind; a seed that came to germinate later on.
A lot of things happened during my undergraduate study that shook my belief but for the sake of brevity, I'd mention a few..
I held the opinion that "compared to clerics, scientists better understood the awesomeness and magnificence of God". Come to think of it this way, with every scientific discovery, scientists reveal God's wonder in nature while clerics keep 'recycling' doctrines written in our ancient Holy Bible. The beautiful works of God in nature were unreconcilable with the barbarisms attributed to him in the bible. When some Bible claims corroborate with scientific findings we're good, but when 'outrageous' claims are found in the Bible, we are convinced that they're metaphorical with deeper meaning. Gradually, it became obvious that science had more credence compared to religion. My religiosity reduced drastically as well as my total trust in the bible as ultimate truth. Not sure anymore, I wondered if there's a creator (God) or not. I mean, 'the Bible must have so poorly described God' I thought.

Aside from bible, I sought knowledge of God from various books on religion, spirituality and nature. I read the Qur'an and it bored me. I came across "Earth's Chronicles, The 12th Planet, and other controversial books by Zecharia Sitchin. They were indeed controversial, and I asked myself 'how did he know all those things?' The works of Thomas Paine is worthy of mention. I agreed with him largely, especially his 'Age of Reason'. I discussed my thoughts with another 'thinker' (I choose not to mention his name) and he introduced me to the 'Sumerian Texts', the 'Epic of Gilgamesh' among other amazing books. Wow! What have I been doing. They shared similarities with the Bible so I couldn't help but wonder and ask more questions. 'Did I believe in a big lie all these while?' ...

Nawa oo... my brother it is well with you. Since you feel that God doesn't exist, good luck to you. Whatever makes you sleep well at night.

If you are waiting for God to appear to you to prove His existence, that means you go tay my broda. We are in the age of Grace where BLESSED ARE THOSE WHO BELIEVE WITHOUT SEEING. Bringing human logic to the things of the Supernatural can never make sense. Years back some of those questions you asked up there used to cross my mind and the more i think about it concerning WHO CREATED GOD AND OTHER STUFF, it seems i want to run mad cos i can't fathom it. That's what makes us human, we are limited in our intelligence. God's ways are higher than ours. I am a very curious person by nature and i study alot cos i want to research things. But when it comes to the things of God, i choose to believe what the Scripture says.
And the Bible is God-breathed.

I can never imagine rejecting Christ, how will my life turn out to be? You will have to kill me first for me to reject Christ. I am not saying this as a boast but i am telling you this cos God is real, Christ is alive and He is sitted at the right hand of God now in Heaven. Christ is love, i don't know how my life might have turned out now if not for Him. I haven't seen God but i feel His presence & divine protection and also because am a believer, Christ lives in me. I am not perfect oo, am still human prone to mistakes but i rest in the perfection of Christ. Everything i am today is because of Christ.

Whenever i remember the Cross, i always see God's perfect love for humanity. The Word of God is living and active and that's why i make it a point of duty to feed on the word daily. I don't do this out of obligation or anything but because it always gives me strength to withstand the challenges of this fallen world. It also makes me to know more about God and His love.

We are in a fallen world and so many tragedies you see in today's world are not God's will, but its as a result of the fall of Adam in the garden of Eden. But Christ is coming soonest to fix this fallen world.

My broda, i don't judge you neither am i condemning you, but Salvation is of the Lord and Christ Jesus is the way. Letting Him into your life will give you Shalom peace.

Raydos:
i want to ask three questions!


(1) how often do you fast?


(2) do you pray at least 10times a day?


(3) do you distance yourself from sin?


you don't do all these things and you expect GOD to show itself to you! - scientists have tried their best to find where GOD is really is but all to no avail so they conclude that there's no GOD!


just because people Don't see GOD Face to face so they have a mere intuition that GOD Doesn't exist - but funny enough you people have never seen devil in person yet you believe he exist, every bad thing that happen to you, you believe its always the handiwork of devil.

try to do all those 3 aforementioned list up there, and i asure you that GOD will see you in spirit and he will make you understand everything.

i am a living testimony

if he had come here And claimed God cured him of HIV, would you ask him this question?

EyeHateGod:
All those ad this ad that?

Not really bro .

[quote author=hopefulLandlord post=50505404][/quote]I love that show. .As always hopefulLandlord the meme master

Akdegreat:
Yes I agree with you. But I was an 'active' Christian. I was captain in our children department then. I participated and represented RCCG East 1 province in children's bible quiz severally, even at National convention in the camp. I was an active chorister. I used to sweep and clean the church premises every Saturday with my parents and siblings. Anyone who knows me can attest.

hmmmm... RCCG.

kingcity:
if he had come here And claimed God cured him of HIV, would you ask him this question?

No they wouldn't have. They believe any story told in favour of God. But just say you don't believe and questions will come.

jiggaz:
Nawa oo... my brother it is well with you. Since you feel that God doesn't exist, good luck to you. Whatever makes you sleep well at night.

If you are waiting for God to appear to you to prove His existence, that means you go tay my broda. We are in the age of Grace where BLESSED ARE THOSE WHO BELIEVE WITHOUT SEEING. Bringing human logic to the things of the Supernatural can never make sense. Years back some of those questions you asked up there used to cross my mind and the more i think about it concerning WHO CREATED GOD AND OTHER STUFF, it seems i want to run mad cos i can't fathom it. That's what makes us human, we are limited in our intelligence. God's ways are higher than ours. I am a very curious person by nature and i study alot cos i want to research things. But when it comes to the things of God, i choose to believe what the Scripture says.
And the Bible is God-breathed.

I can never imagine rejecting Christ, how will my life turn out to be? You will have to kill me first for me to reject Christ. I am not saying this as a boast but i am telling you this cos God is real, Christ is alive and He is sitted at the right hand of God now in Heaven. Christ is love, i don't know how my life might have turned out now if not for Him. I haven't seen God but i feel His presence & divine protection and also because am a believer, Christ lives in me. I am not perfect oo, am still human prone to mistakes but i rest in the perfection of Christ. Everything i am today is because of Christ.

Whenever i remember the Cross, i always see God's perfect love for humanity. The Word of God is living and active and that's why i make it a point of duty to feed on the word daily. I don't do this out of obligation or anything but because it always gives me strength to withstand the challenges of this fallen world. It also makes me to know more about God and His love.

We are in a fallen world and so many tragedies you see in today's world are not God's will, but its as a result of the fall of Adam in the garden of Eden. But Christ is coming soonest to fix this fallen world.

My broda, i don't judge you neither am i condemning you, but Salvation is of the Lord and Christ Jesus is the way. Letting Him into your life will give you Shalom peace.

Move your craziness one side abeg. You've completely submerged yourself in the pit of religion. I hope you find freedom someday.

Akdegreat:
With an honest aim of understanding the nature of God and his wonder displayed in nature, I had set out on a quest for 'truth'. As a very inquisitive person, a sound background in scientific methods further fueled my already curious and inquisitive nature beyond normal.

As a kid, I asked several questions;
"Since God created everything that exist, what if God never existed, and hence nothing whatsoever exists? I often tried to picture a dark and void space remaining that way for all of eternity!! Whenever I did, I got lost in my wild imaginations"
"How did God come to be? Who created him?"
"What if God never created life? How would the earth be then? I often repeated same imaginations again but this time with planets, asteroids and other heavenly bodies. Of course I got lost again, severally"
"What if I was never born? So I would never have experienced the beauty of life? Scary!"
"Why did Lucifer ruin the Paradise? For Christ sakes we all would have been there now. Why didn't God even kill Lucifer at once earlier to prevent it? He knew the future!"

I grew up into a devote Christian with different questions;
"With the so many religions on earth could we possibly be worshipping the same God in different ways?"
"If the God I worship in the bible is the one true God and creator of the universe, would he destroy non-christians in hell simply because they worshipped him wrongly?"
"Would God really condemn a devote Christian to hell after years of righteous living simply because he erred one time and dies without repentance? Would he now allow a person who has done heinous things into paradise simply because he finally accepts the salvation story in the end?". I had many more questions that bothered my mind but I'd stop there.

These questions didn't matter so much as I still upheld the Bible as truth and lived by its doctrines. On a second thought they must have sown the seed of doubt in my mind; a seed that came to germinate later on.
A lot of things happened during my undergraduate study that shook my belief but for the sake of brevity, I'd mention a few..
I held the opinion that "compared to clerics, scientists better understood the awesomeness and magnificence of God". Come to think of it this way, with every scientific discovery, scientists reveal God's wonder in nature while clerics keep 'recycling' doctrines written in our ancient Holy Bible. The beautiful works of God in nature were unreconcilable with the barbarisms attributed to him in the bible. When some Bible claims corroborate with scientific findings we're good, but when 'outrageous' claims are found in the Bible, we are convinced that they're metaphorical with deeper meaning. Gradually, it became obvious that science had more credence compared to religion. My religiosity reduced drastically as well as my total trust in the bible as ultimate truth. Not sure anymore, I wondered if there's a creator (God) or not. I mean, 'the Bible must have so poorly described God' I thought.

Aside from bible, I sought knowledge of God from various books on religion, spirituality and nature. I read the Qur'an and it bored me. I came across "Earth's Chronicles, The 12th Planet, and other controversial books by Zecharia Sitchin. They were indeed controversial, and I asked myself 'how did he know all those things?' The works of Thomas Paine is worthy of mention. I agreed with him largely, especially his 'Age of Reason'. I discussed my thoughts with another 'thinker' (I choose not to mention his name) and he introduced me to the 'Sumerian Texts', the 'Epic of Gilgamesh' among other amazing books. Wow! What have I been doing. They shared similarities with the Bible so I couldn't help but wonder and ask more questions. 'Did I believe in a big lie all these while?' ...

Good luck, if you ever come back to Christianity remember our principles. Faith Faith Faith. The minute you start doubting and trying to apply logical thinking you will loose grace and satan will take advantage. Good luck

Lennycool:
Move your craziness one side abeg. You've completely submerged yourself in the pit of religion. I hope you find freedom someday.

If you have found freedom yourself why don't you get on with your life? You claim freedom but something keeps calling you back to engage Christians in arguments. True freedom means you leave religious discussions for religious people, it means you don't post in religion forums. Are you truly free?

Pidggin:
Good luck, if you ever come back to Christianity remember our principles. Faith Faith Faith. The minute you start doubting and trying to apply logical thinking you will loose grace and satan will take advantage. Good luck

The bolded is the truth about religion. It cannot stand against logic. I'm glad atleast some theist admit this.

Lennycool:
No they wouldn't have. They believe any story told in favour of God. But just say you don't believe and questions will come.

lennycool, you spend 24hrs of your day on a forum for religious, are you sure you don't believe in God?

Pidggin:
Good luck, if you ever come back to Christianity remember our principles. Faith Faith Faith. The minute you start doubting and trying to apply logical thinking you will loose grace and satan will take advantage. Good luck

I don't agree with this dear .

KingEbukasBlog:
I don't agree with this dear .

Can you refute it, it's not just to say "You don't agree", can you support your stance.

KingEbukasBlog:
I don't agree with this dear .

You don't agree that God gives more grace to the humble and resists the proud?

Pidggin:
lennycool, you spend 24hrs of your day on a forum for religious, are you sure you don't believe in God?

Pidggin pidggin I'm contributing to society, curing delusions where ever they may lie. Think of it as charity. And I assure you I don't believe in any God

Lennycool:
Can you refute it, it's not just to say "You don't agree", can you support your stance.

I argue with the atheists , I discuss with the Christians . Big difference .

Pidggin:
You don't agree that God gives more grace to the humble and resists the proud?

Nope , I don't agree that logical thinking makes you doubt God and lose grace making you vulnerable to Satan's attack .

KingEbukasBlog:
I argue with the atheists , I discuss with the Christians . Big difference .

Yeah yeah yeah. But can you logically defend the Bible and God.

Lennycool:
Yeah yeah yeah. But can you logically defend the Bible and God.

Yup

Meet me here in case : https://www.nairaland.com/3220590/questions-god-bible-christianity-bring

KingEbukasBlog:
Nope , I don't agree that logical thinking makes you doubt God and lose grace making you vulnerable to Satan's attack .

Oh please then, by all means. Defend God and the bible without compromising logic in the slightest.
You can start with the bible's and God's support of slavery, rape and genocide.

Lennycool:
Oh please then, by all means. Defend God and the bible without compromising logic in the slightest.
You can start with the bible's and God's support of slavery, rape and genocide.

Did that ages ago


1. https://www.nairaland.com/3031728/reasons-why-god-not-subject

2. https://www.nairaland.com/3210816/bible-slavery-answering-ignorant-atheists

It now depends on your ability to comprehend .

Peace .

Pidggin:
Good luck, if you ever come back to Christianity remember our principles. Faith Faith Faith. The minute you start doubting and trying to apply logical thinking you will loose grace and satan will take advantage. Good luck

Meaning Satan gives knowledge God just keeps you in Delusion. You know what i think i like that Satan dude

One should not lose believe in God, but in what God means.

Why should the Creator reveal Himself to you?

Akdegreat:
With an honest aim of understanding the nature of God and his wonder displayed in nature, I had set out on a quest for 'truth'. As a very inquisitive person, a sound background in scientific methods further fueled my already curious and inquisitive nature beyond normal.

As a kid, I asked several questions;
"Since God created everything that exist, what if God never existed, and hence nothing whatsoever exists? I often tried to picture a dark and void space remaining that way for all of eternity!! Whenever I did, I got lost in my wild imaginations"
"How did God come to be? Who created him?"
"What if God never created life? How would the earth be then? I often repeated same imaginations again but this time with planets, asteroids and other heavenly bodies. Of course I got lost again, severally"
"What if I was never born? So I would never have experienced the beauty of life? Scary!"
"Why did Lucifer ruin the Paradise? For Christ sakes we all would have been there now. Why didn't God even kill Lucifer at once earlier to prevent it? He knew the future!"

I grew up into a devote Christian with different questions;
"With the so many religions on earth could we possibly be worshipping the same God in different ways?"
"If the God I worship in the bible is the one true God and creator of the universe, would he destroy non-christians in hell simply because they worshipped him wrongly?"
"Would God really condemn a devote Christian to hell after years of righteous living simply because he erred one time and dies without repentance? Would he now allow a person who has done heinous things into paradise simply because he finally accepts the salvation story in the end?". I had many more questions that bothered my mind but I'd stop there.

These questions didn't matter so much as I still upheld the Bible as truth and lived by its doctrines. On a second thought they must have sown the seed of doubt in my mind; a seed that came to germinate later on.
A lot of things happened during my undergraduate study that shook my belief but for the sake of brevity, I'd mention a few..
I held the opinion that "compared to clerics, scientists better understood the awesomeness and magnificence of God". Come to think of it this way, with every scientific discovery, scientists reveal God's wonder in nature while clerics keep 'recycling' doctrines written in our ancient Holy Bible. The beautiful works of God in nature were unreconcilable with the barbarisms attributed to him in the bible. When some Bible claims corroborate with scientific findings we're good, but when 'outrageous' claims are found in the Bible, we are convinced that they're metaphorical with deeper meaning. Gradually, it became obvious that science had more credence compared to religion. My religiosity reduced drastically as well as my total trust in the bible as ultimate truth. Not sure anymore, I wondered if there's a creator (God) or not. I mean, 'the Bible must have so poorly described God' I thought.

Aside from bible, I sought knowledge of God from various books on religion, spirituality and nature. I read the Qur'an and it bored me. I came across "Earth's Chronicles, The 12th Planet, and other controversial books by Zecharia Sitchin. They were indeed controversial, and I asked myself 'how did he know all those things?' The works of Thomas Paine is worthy of mention. I agreed with him largely, especially his 'Age of Reason'. I discussed my thoughts with another 'thinker' (I choose not to mention his name) and he introduced me to the 'Sumerian Texts', the 'Epic of Gilgamesh' among other amazing books. Wow! What have I been doing. They shared similarities with the Bible so I couldn't help but wonder and ask more questions. 'Did I believe in a big lie all these while?' ...

Lennycool:
Pidggin pidggin I'm contributing to society, curing delusions where ever they may lie. Think of it as charity. And I assure you I don't believe in any God

And if by chance what you call delusions eventually become real it means we Christians get to live eternally and spend eternity in paradise, if it's false then we end up like you, so can't you see you are the one who should be pitied? There's no consequence for not believing in athiesm, you die and everything ends

Akdegreat:
...Gradually, I had stopped going to my church as frequently as before. They had nothing new to teach me. I also began to form my opinions using empathy, rational enquiry, logic and reason rather than religious dogma. I dropped all my superstitions in favour of evidence about the natural world and things in it. I sought to understand the cause of things rather than stare at them in awe and ascribe them to unseen forces. I accepted reality, made informed decisions about my life and took responsibility for outcome of these decisions.
I suddenly developed this 'strange' love for all of humanity irrespective of religion, culture and race, as much, I try to make it enjoyable for everyone around me. Afterall, what's the point in hoping for a blissful afterlife while living a miserable life. I never felt so happy with so much satisfaction. Unfortunately, I tend to disagree severally with religious people on some issues, especially family. It's quite disheartening that they perceive me as 'bad' & 'lost'. All these happened within the space of 3 years, just before my graduation.

I joined Nairaland earlier but recently stumbled on a post and to my amazement, I wasn't alone after all. I'd love to met some people here in person e.g Johnny, winner, sharon and Seun. You guys are great. Though the atheists make such sarcastic arguments, their points are valid most of the time, while Christians know so little about religion. These arguments really did a good job in further weakening my belief in the Bible God. If He is there, he'd understand my reasons for doubting the Bible account of him. He should be a just judge.

- Akdegreat

wonderful piece

theoneJabulani:
Those saying that God only shows himself to true believers are dickheads. The op is on a ledge, what would it cost Yahweh to appear to him on night and just say:"do u believe now?". Bt no, He is too busy preping our furnace. Come to think of it, Yahweh would be the No1 draft pick for hell when u look at his actions in the old testament

I wouldn't have responded but for your brazen ignorance of Christianity. Christianity is NOT based on sight but wholly on faith. If you can't believe without seeing, it's your cup of tea. GOD owes no one any special appearance of persuasion!

Pidggin:
If you have found freedom yourself why don't you get on with your life? You claim freedom but something keeps calling you back to engage Christians in arguments. True freedom means you leave religious discussions for religious people, it means you don't post in religion forums. Are you truly free?

Because I lived so long without knowing atheism was an option, i can't let another human suffer like I did. To have no choice between Christianity or hell.

KingEbukasBlog:
Nope , I don't agree that logical thinking makes you doubt God and lose grace making you vulnerable to Satan's attack .

Can you name any apostle/disciple who applied such logical thinking pattern

TheDevilIsALai:
Why should the Creator reveal Himself to you?

Because I doubt other people's story of him.

mastermaestro:
I wouldn't have responded but for your brazen ignorance of Christianity. Christianity is NOT based on sight but wholly on faith. If you can't believe without seeing, it's your cup of tea. GOD owes no one any special appearance of persuasion!

But he want us to worhip him or we go to hell

Pidggin:
...remember our principles. Faith Faith Faith...

This would be largely difficult if not impossible for me.
Thanks all the same.