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skywalker001:
Did u said being that has always being in existence ? U stil don't answer my question cos from wat Ray Comfort said dat "nothing can come out of nothing" when he was asking about the existence of DNA. Since nothing can com out of nothing then somtin must be behind the existence of god. So tell me did god just exist out of nothing ? Did god just exist by a chance ? If u dont hav better answer beside d one u put up there dont bother to mention me again

God needs no creator.
Beginning, end, creation, destruction are all calibrations of time, space and matter.
God created time, so He exists out of it.
He is timeless. He is eternal

otemanuduno:
Atum my god was making findings which the scientists will experience after. Atum my god doesn't fight for territory like Yahweh my dog. Atum my god is the god of Egypt(god of civilization). He isn't an angry and selfish god like yours.

However, the ALMIGHTY GOD, our GOD(the creator of all gods, including Allah, Yahweh, Atum, Vishnu) isn't concerned about possesing the earth because he has trillions of earthlike places and he is selfless.

your god was making findings on the very earth he created. he was so busy with this finding that he allows what he created to took over his kingdom? otem cant you see that your god has a serious problem in the head?

Wilgrea7:
you're 100% correct.. but many dogmas refuse to believe...

all those preaching a wicked God and an eternal hell are tarnishing the image of God.. its the devil who has been a murderer and sadist from the beginning.. its even there in john 8

also, you're very correct about the bible.. its not an infallible book.. i have more than enough proof both logical and historical that the bible as well as other *holy* books have been corrupted.
but the dogmas won't listen.. they tend to hold on to ignorance and call it faith

chairman

felixomor1:
God needs no creator.
Beginning, end, creation, destruction are all calibrations of time, space and matter.
God created time, so He exists out of it.
He is timeless. He is eternal

stil not convinced... same thing i've been hearing since my childhood

skywalker001:
stil not convinced... same thing i've been hearing since my childhood

But It explains it.
Your brain and every body's own is calibrated only in time, space and matter thats why its hard to warp it.

That is why there is no type of question u can ever ask that falls out of time, space and matter.

felixomor1:
But It explains it.
Your brain and every body's own is calibrated only in time, space and matter thats why its hard to warp it.

That is why there is no type of question u can ever ask that falls out of time, space and matter.

pls save this story for your fellow jews... i'm done wit u cos i can't find convincing answer from everything u've bin saying since, u just repeating everything u've said before

skywalker001:
pls save this story for your fellow jews... i'm done wit u cos i can't find convincing answer from everything u've bin saying since, u just repeating everything u've said before

Hehehe, sounds like " i am quite proud to be answered easily like that."


Even inside ur mind, u know even time has a starting point.
Go Study about the origin of time.

Pidggin:
Obviously you are not as intelligent as you think. What do you know about the Justice of God, you think he judges with the reasoning of man. The same God that said the wages of sin is death also needed to counter His word by the sacrifice of the death of his son

But how can you understand this when you do not know the one whom you try to understand. Can you understand someone you don't know? How so?

Your speculations are numerous it makes your points laughable. God planned the death of His son on a CROSS, it could not have happened via any other means so what is the purpose of all your speculations? Yes if His son was killed by an AK47 that would be a symbol of remembrance for us and what is wrong with this?

You say God is not real yet your imagination runs wild at the mention of Him

are you actually serious An all knowing entity had to have his son tortured and killed just so we can regain redemption rather than just forgiving us. Was there a need for a human sacrifice?? The jesus' you worship openly said he came for the lost sheep of Isreal. Are you a Jew It was only when he was rejected that was when he now changed mouth and said he came for all of humanity. What makes you think he won't change his mouth again and accept the Jews Gods "chosen people" he said he can't take the children's bread and throw it to the dogs He said the disciples should not preach to the gentiles and yet you still think he initially came for all of mankind
Please the true creator of the universe can't be racist. I know the character of jesus' Christ very well. I know he was a Jewish man. He worshipped in the synagogue, read from the torah and observed the Passover like any other Jew. And since you said it was Gods plan all along to sacrifice his son all along does Judas deserve to be eternally punished. After all he was only acting out Gods master plan.
How was it a sacrifice. Jesus didn't even stay dead. He spent 1 day and 2 nights in the grave not 3. After being rejected by the Jews because of his claims of being God, he then decided to redeem other humans as a last resort. Nobody likes being a third wheel plus he said a lot of outlandish things, he hasn't come to bring peace but a sword, leave your families and follow him, if you are angry with your brother you have murdered him in your heart , looking at a lady with lust is adultery this is a God that is so egoistical and insecure that when if you as so much insult his alter ego which is the holy spirit you will burn forever. He was the one that brought up the concept of hell. The Jews the people your religion came from didn't even believe in hell. He was sacrificed for sins he didn't commit and that is morally okay to you??. I never said God isn't real i said the concept if God is unknown and religions can't be right because they each have different contradictory beliefs even in the same religion .he didn't even seem happy that he was going to die he prayed for the cup to pass over him he prayed till his sweat was like blood and yet you think he wanted to willingly be sacrificed
Kim Jung un north Korea dictator punished citizens for crimes of their earlier generations. This is not right but this is what the Abrahamic God does
Let me know when you'll sacrifice your innocent loved one for something as trivial as admiring a woman or for the crimes of a terrible psychopath. When I was younger I knew a girl that said she was afraid of jesus Christ. Why the Bleep won't she be afraid when most of the pictures depicted of him are on a cross bleeding upandan

EyeofHorus:
To do what with human souls? Slavery?

If thats ur believe... No p

cloudgoddess:
Lmao cloud 9.

Have you watched Cosmos?

which of them? The carl sagan or Neil degrasse Tyson version?

TheSixthSense:
You hold a very interesting set of beliefs. I follow keenly until you decide to share with us.

thanks. i don't know all tho.. i still try to gather knowledge both inside and outside Christianity.
my major conclusions from the research I've done are

1. tithe isn't scriptural
2. hell isn't eternal
3. God didn't support those unjust killings, slavery, murder and rape.. the devil did
4. the true nature of God.
5. there is more to what we know about Christianity


feel free to ask anytime

Wilgrea7:
thanks. i don't know all tho.. i still try to gather knowledge both inside and outside Christianity.
my major conclusions from the research I've done are

1. tithe isn't scriptural
2. hell isn't eternal
3. God didn't support those unjust killings, slavery, murder and rape.. the devil did
4. the true nature of God.
5. there is more to what we know about Christianity


feel free to ask anytime

though I disagree with you on some things you are quite rational and reasonable

jonbellion:
are you actually serious An all knowing entity had to have his son tortured and killed just so we can regain redemption rather than just forgiving us. Was there a need for a human sacrifice?? The jesus' you worship openly said he came for the lost sheep of Isreal. Are you a Jew It was only when he was rejected that was when he now changed mouth and said he came for all of humanity. What makes you think he won't change his mouth again and accept the Jews Gods "chosen people" he said he can't take the children's bread and throw it to the dogs He said the disciples should not preach to the gentiles and yet you still think he initially came for all of mankind
Please the true creator of the universe can't be racist. I know the character of jesus' Christ very well. I know he was a Jewish man. He worshipped in the synagogue, read from the torah and observed the Passover like any other Jew. And since you said it was Gods plan all along to sacrifice his son all along does Judas deserve to be eternally punished. After all he was only acting out Gods master plan.
How was it a sacrifice. Jesus didn't even stay dead. He spent 1 day and 2 nights in the grave not 3. After being rejected by the Jews because of his claims of being God, he then decided to redeem other humans as a last resort. Nobody likes being a third wheel plus he said a lot of outlandish things, he hasn't come to bring peace but a sword, leave your families and follow him, if you are angry with your brother you have murdered him in your heart , looking at a lady with lust is adultery this is a God that is so egoistical and insecure that when if you as so much insult his alter ego which is the holy spirit you will burn forever. He was the one that brought up the concept of hell. The Jews the people your religion came from didn't even believe in hell. He was sacrificed for sins he didn't commit and that is morally okay to you??. I never said God isn't real i said the concept if God is unknown and religions can't be right because they each have different contradictory beliefs even in the same religion .he didn't even seem happy that he was going to die he prayed for the cup to pass over him he prayed till his sweat was like blood and yet you think he wanted to willingly be sacrificed
Kim Jung un north Korea dictator punished citizens for crimes of their earlier generations. This is not right but this is what the Abrahamic God does
Let me know when you'll sacrifice your innocent loved one for something as trivial as admiring a woman or for the crimes of a terrible psychopath. When I was younger I knew a girl that said she was afraid of jesus Christ. Why the Bleep won't she be afraid when most of the pictures depicted of him are on a cross bleeding upandan

You reason like a man devoid of spiritual insight. Humble yourself and learn before trying to engage in arguments on subjects you know absolutely nothing about.

Let me help you out a bit. If you study the scriptures you will find out that by the power of the Spirit of God Himself we can do all that He expects of us, yes even you can look at a lady without lusting after her if you have His Spirit. When the Spirit directs your life then you don't need to worry about sin or laws, it will be a normal thing for you.


Jesus had to start somewhere, God chose Isreal so who are we to question Him? When Peter denied Jesus three times, he asked for forgiveness and repented when Judah betrayed Jesus even though he became remorseful, he took his own life without anyone reprimanding him, who do you blame for his choice? Jesus or himself?

You need understanding

Genesis2000:
Hmmm judging by ur comments. Is atheism now another religion?

yes it is now another religion IF "off" is another TV station, "Abstinence" is another sex positon

bolkay47:
Exactly my thought brother!. I wonder how scared an atheist would be when he finds himself at the point of death. Questions like "what if the supernatural exists after all" will be all over his mind.

"What if the religion I dedicated my life to is false and so I still end up in hell?" Won't believers be scared because of this similar question?

Seun:
"What if the religion I dedicated my life to is false and so I still end up in hell?" Won't believers be scared because of this similar question?

Why would you be in a false religion when God has explained Himself so clearly and even given you access to the information?

felixomor1:
Why would you be in a false religion when God has explained Himself so clearly and even given you access to the information?

People in every religion believe that their religion is the true religion. Christians, Muslims, etc. Isn't it arrogant to assume yours is the right one?

Wilgrea7:
you're 100% correct.. but many dogmas refuse to believe...

all those preaching a wicked God and an eternal hell are tarnishing the image of God.. its the devil who has been a murderer and sadist from the beginning.. its even there in john 8

also, you're very correct about the bible.. its not an infallible book.. i have more than enough proof both logical and historical that the bible as well as other *holy* books have been corrupted.
but the dogmas won't listen.. they tend to hold on to ignorance and call it faith

bible is the word of God, but it was complied and put together by man. And since man is imperfect, there is bound to be a mistake.

There re many things i would not like to talk here, but i wouldn't do that here. otherwise some individuals will definitely misinterprete it.

Mind you. If i tell hundred of you a story about a particular person.

And if i should ask each of you to write an article about the person. All of you will arrived at the Same point but with different routs.

Know this now, it is not possible for all of us to say or write the Same things exactly. No no no. It is not possible. One or two things will either omit or subtracted. But they have one mission and one goal.
That's the bible for you.

The question should be, why did God gave us the bible?

That is a very important things every believe should put in place before making any aguement.

1 the bible shows us the mind of God, which means we know God through the bible. That's why it is called the word of God.

2 the bible tells us about the rise and the fall of man, and why they fall, and what we must do in other to be redeemed.

3 the bible tells us about the rising and the fall of some great men, E.g. Samson, Solomon and the rest of them. What they did that makes them fall and why we should avoid it.

4 the bible tells us about a perfect man name Jesus. His first and his last days on the earth. His mission, death and resurrection.

Question now is. Do we actually have a man called Jesus?

Did he actually died? And if he died, did he actually resurrected?
Does he actually born through a virgin?
This what the bible holds on, and establishes.
Now if the aforementioned questions has been accepted.

Believe me any other things are irrelevants to the best of my knowledge.

Peter may say he lived 33 years, while James may say he lives 32 years, bananas say he spends 30 years. Another will say he rised on 2 day from the grave and the other will say he actually resurrected on the 3 day in the grave, believe me all those things were not necessary for our salvation but a mere distraction from the pit of hell. When i say pit of hell, am actually talking of the kingdom of darkness. And not a literal fire.

And finally before i leave, i want you to know this.
Everybody can not accept Christ or Christianity. No it is not possible, even in Israel, all of them were not Christian. Jesus Christ did not come for everybody, the only issue here is that, he is the door of that great house. Heaven. No other way can man get there without him.

Listen salvation is not by force but by choice. I don't want to go too deep.

When noah was shouting and preaching and was pasuading people to enter the ark, they make mockery of him. Until the rain start and destroy all of them.

Do you know that rain never fell before in that generation? 2 the ark was in the desert, they wonder with their own imagination, how on earth will these man built a ship on a desert? Is that not madness? So they were discouraged they couldn't enter the ark. Until a heavy rain started and suddenly becomes the greatest sea.

God is a spirit and man can not use his physical and human knowledge to find him.

Jeremiah 29; 13 if you seek me you shall find me when you seek me with all ur heart.
John 4; 24 says God is a spirit and those who must worship him must do so in spirit and in truth.

And there was a might earthquake, and God was not there and there was a whirlwind and God was not there but there was a still small voice, but God was there. And he said to Elijah what are you doing here.

Where Elijah was expecting him to be he was not there.

Dear you can never find God in science, that's why when they could not find him, therefore they concluded that there was no God.

Weather, man believed him or not does not reduced him from being God, and can never changed him from whom he is.

Let me stops with this words.

Jesus saved a woman who is about to be stoned. And said to her go and sin nomore.

Pls you don't need to stress urself so much. Only those who is about to be stoned hears him and he will Definitely save them, since they were the only ones that hears his voice.

He said as it is in the days of noah so shall it be unto this generation.

God bless you

Seun:
People in every religion believe that their religion is the true religion. Christians, Muslims, etc. Isn't it arrogant to assume yours is the right one?

Ok, from ur own comparisom of the religions, which has scriptures, prophecies, supernatural occurences (even still happening till today) of God elaborately best described?

Pidggin:
Good luck, if you ever come back to Christianity remember our principles. Faith Faith Faith. The minute you start doubting and trying to apply logical thinking you will loose grace and satan will take advantage. Good luck

Thanks 4 ur sincerity, put in another way: God is not logical, right?

cloudgoddess:
This post is brimming with assumptions.

You're completely ruling out the possibility that this god you're speaking of is a complete fabrication. That it was imagined by normal, human men in a century when humanity created gods to explain the world around them, then spread throughout nations for generations through conquest (slavery in Nigeria's case), cultural assimilation and childhood indoctrination.

Consider that possibly first before making such posts.

Be factual, who was the first man and woman? Adam and Eve or do you have a contrary answer. So, since then and now all the stories of adam, eve, abraham, isaac, jacob, king david, moses, jeremiah, job, isaiah and others are mere fabrication according to you. IF I MAY ASK, WHY WILL ALL THESE PEOPLE FABRICATE STORIES? SOME OF THEM ARE RICH ENOUGH TO DISOBEY ANYBODY'S INSTRUCTION. PLEASE WAKE UP TO THE REALITIES OF THE WORLD.

WITH DUE RESPECT.

CHARLOE:
Thanks 4 ur sincerity, put in another way: God is not logical, right?

He expects you to take Him for His word not asking Him to prove everything He sys or does. If you had a child that constantly uses logic each time you instruct him or make a statement wouldn't you feel disrespected? So does He.

hi bro read your post quite long but still an interesting read. it's normal to question ones faith. i feel it's a journey of discovering the true nature of God. no one, not me, your folks, friends or any poster can judge or tell you what to do. full disclosure i'm a christian so i would be lying if i said i didn't want you to continue to be one too but this is a journey of self discovery in your faith or lack thereof in God.

the only thing i ask is you also further read up on the story of Jesus Christ, his message, his mission and his life example that should help you further understand the true nature of God

all the best bro

Akdegreat:
...Gradually, I had stopped going to my church as frequently as before. They had nothing new to teach me. I also began to form my opinions using empathy, rational enquiry, logic and reason rather than religious dogma. I dropped all my superstitions in favour of evidence about the natural world and things in it. I sought to understand the cause of things rather than stare at them in awe and ascribe them to unseen forces. I accepted reality, made informed decisions about my life and took responsibility for outcome of these decisions.
I suddenly developed this 'strange' love for all of humanity irrespective of religion, culture and race, as much, I try to make it enjoyable for everyone around me. Afterall, what's the point in hoping for a blissful afterlife while living a miserable life. I never felt so happy with so much satisfaction. Unfortunately, I tend to disagree severally with religious people on some issues, especially family. It's quite disheartening that they perceive me as 'bad' & 'lost'. All these happened within the space of 3 years, just before my graduation.

I joined Nairaland earlier but recently stumbled on a post and to my amazement, I wasn't alone after all. I'd love to met some people here in person e.g Johnny, winner, sharon and Seun. You guys are great. Though the atheists make such sarcastic arguments, their points are valid most of the time, while many Christians know so little about religion. These arguments really did a good job in further weakening my belief in the Bible God. If He is there, he'd understand my reasons for doubting the Bible account of him. He should be a just judge.

- Akdegreat

skywalker001:
Did u said being that has always being in existence ? U stil don't answer my question cos from wat Ray Comfort said dat "nothing can come out of nothing" when he was asking about the existence of DNA. Since nothing can com out of nothing then somtin must be behind the existence of god. So tell me did god just exist out of nothing ? Did god just exist by a chance ? If u dont hav better answer beside d one u put up there dont bother to mention me again

Was there a time that DNA did not exist? If yes, then it must have come from something. If no, then it has always existed, and hence it could not have come from nothing.
The Abrahamic notion of God could not have existed out of nothing neither could He have come into existence by chance, because having no beginning means that He has always existed. While some people do not believe that such a being exist, the notion of it does not in anyway contradict the saying that "nothing can come out of nothing."

but you are also just as guilty because you assume your atheism is the logical way to go

Seun:
People in every religion believe that their religion is the true religion. Christians, Muslims, etc. Isn't it arrogant to assume yours is the right one?

Genesis2000:
bible is the word of God, but it was complied and put together by man. And since man is imperfect, there is bound to be a mistake.

There re many things i would not like to talk here, but i wouldn't do that here. otherwise some individuals will definitely misinterprete it.

Mind you. If i tell hundred of you a story about a particular person.

And if i should ask each of you to write an article about the person. All of you will arrived at the Same point but with different routs.

Know this now, it is not possible for all of us to say or write the Same things exactly. No no no. It is not possible. One or two things will either omit or subtracted. But they have one mission and one goal.
That's the bible for you.

The question should be, why did God gave us the bible?

That is a very important things every believe should put in place before making any aguement.

1 the bible shows us the mind of God, which means we know God through the bible. That's why it is called the word of God.

2 the bible tells us about the rise and the fall of man, and why they fall, and what we must do in other to be redeemed.

3 the bible tells us about the rising and the fall of some great men, E.g. Samson, Solomon and the rest of them. What they did that makes them fall and why we should avoid it.

4 the bible tells us about a perfect man name Jesus. His first and his last days on the earth. His mission, death and resurrection.

Question now is. Do we actually have a man called Jesus?

Did he actually died? And if he died, did he actually resurrected?
Does he actually born through a virgin?
This what the bible holds on, and establishes.
Now if the aforementioned questions has been accepted.

Believe me any other things are irrelevants to the best of my knowledge.

Peter may say he lived 33 years, while James may say he lives 32 years, bananas say he spends 30 years. Another will say he rised on 2 day from the grave and the other will say he actually resurrected on the 3 day in the grave, believe me all those things were not necessary for our salvation but a mere distraction from the pit of hell. When i say pit of hell, am actually talking of the kingdom of darkness. And not a literal fire.

And finally before i leave, i want you to know this.
Everybody can not accept Christ or Christianity. No it is not possible, even in Israel, all of them were not Christian. Jesus Christ did not come for everybody, the only issue here is that, he is the door of that great house. Heaven. No other way can man get there without him.

Listen salvation is not by force but by choice. I don't want to go too deep.

When noah was shouting and preaching and was pasuading people to enter the ark, they make mockery of him. Until the rain start and destroy all of them.

Do you know that rain never fell before in that generation? 2 the ark was in the desert, they wonder with their own imagination, how on earth will these man built a ship on a desert? Is that not madness? So they were discouraged they couldn't enter the ark. Until a heavy rain started and suddenly becomes the greatest sea.

God is a spirit and man can not use his physical and human knowledge to find him.

Jeremiah 29; 13 if you seek me you shall find me when you seek me with all ur heart.
John 4; 24 says God is a spirit and those who must worship him must do so in spirit and in truth.

And there was a might earthquake, and God was not there and there was a whirlwind and God was not there but there was a still small voice, but God was there. And he said to Elijah what are you doing here.

Where Elijah was expecting him to be he was not there.

Dear you can never find God in science, that's why when they could not find him, therefore they concluded that there was no God.

Weather, man believed him or not does not reduced him from being God, and can never changed him from whom he is.

Let me stops with this words.

Jesus saved a woman who is about to be stoned. And said to her go and sin nomore.

Pls you don't need to stress urself so much. Only those who is about to be stoned hears him and he will Definitely save them, since they were the only ones that hears his voice.

He said as it is in the days of noah so shall it be unto this generation.

God bless you

i didn't say the bible is a lie... neither did i say its false. i said its been corrupted... it cannot be the word of God.. Jesus is the word of God and not the bible... there is so much I'd like to tell u...

u can open a thread so that we can discuss it so that we don't derail this thread

dorox:
Was there a time that DNA did not exist? If yes, then it must have come from something. If no, then it has always existed, and hence it could not have come from nothing.
The Abrahamic notion of God could not have existed out of nothing neither could He have come into existence by chance, [b]because having no beginning means that He has always existed[b]. While some people do not believe that such a being exist, the notion of it does not in anyway contradict the saying that "nothing can come out of nothing."

Your proof @bolded... Remember your book state it that god is d beginning and the end, so how com he has no beginning again ? Are you even reading your book ?

skywalker001:
Your proof @bolded... Remember your book state it that god is d beginning and the end, so how com he has no beginning again ? Are you even reading your book ?

"God is the beginning" does not imply "God must have a beginning"

Wilgrea7:
i didn't say the bible is a lie... neither did i say its false. i said its been corrupted... it cannot be the word of God.. Jesus is the word of God and not the bible... there is so much I'd like to tell u...

u can open a thread so that we can discuss it so that we don't derail this thread

SMH left and right

Weah96:
First time you've made sense in a while.

I make sense all the time



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