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Mbombe 6

patches689:
I cant beleive he comments on Defenceweb, the people who comment there are experts from the banking sector like Matthys Jacobs, former Denel engineers, major players like Dr Young and Crawford-Browne, members of Parliament (DA shadow secretary for defense) and analysts like Heitman - people who know what-is-what

Sh1t, even I bite my tongue over there, because if I talk sh1t, people will see it straight away.

But he just talks... sh1t I just cant even

He went on and claimed he was an American military researcher and he hangs out with USAF pilots

(read comments)

https://www.africandefence.net/angolas-su-30ks-are-not-a-serious-threat-to-the-south-african-air-force/

Henry240:
Mbombe 6

I like this version better than the earlier version. It's a matured design

ActivateKruger:
I like this version better than the earlier version. It's a matured design

I agree.

Nigerian navy at sea exercise

ActivateKruger:
OK I didn't know about those, I thought they stopped with the Kudu.

The world's first all-composite trainer was killed by a corrupt deal just before democracy involving the Swiss, the Nats and some senior people in the military with an eye on retirement. And because sanctions were still in place, we got Pilatus we weren't allowed to modify nor arm.

frumentius:
Personally I think it's a vanity project for the politicians [what other planned Denel product has made it onto a ministerial and presidential speech?] . That market segment is saturated. Other than "it's African", what else? Denel will never achieve the economies of scale to compete on price. I'll tell you what though: I have no doubt they'll produce something great and that's fantastic for all the young engineers at Denel. Not so great for SA as the big boys will scoop them all up as usual .

Seeing Denel isn't exactly awash in funds, shouldn't they have completed the myriad commercially-viable military projects they have on their books? Bateleur MALE UAV, Mongoose etc...Hell, the Armour guys were just saying they need a Scout car lighter than Rooikat and more robust than Eland.

It's a niche market they're targeting. This plane is designed for non paved airports while offering a semi- luxurious setup.

Regarding the Mongoose, it's argued that the current market doesn't actually need much of them. Check out, the Middle East (which is the war market) doesn't use anything more advanced than the RPG as ATG and generals can't justify buying something so advanced like the Mongoose to repel rockets so cheap, just cover vehicles with armour "nets" and you're done.


As for the Machenized wanting something in between a Rooikat and Eland, I would say they're simple asking for the impossible at the moment. They're not going to get it, not from the current budget.

frumentius:
The world's first all-composite trainer was killed by a corrupt deal just before democracy involving the Swiss, the Nats and some senior people in the military with an eye on retirement. And because sanctions were still in place, we got Pilatus we weren't allowed to modify nor arm.

Worry not, those days are gone. We'll get the SARA and we'll do as we wish with it.

ActivateKruger:
I like this version better than the earlier version. It's a matured design

If we could replace the Casspir with this...

ActivateKruger:
It's a niche market they're targeting. This plane is designed for non paved airports while offering a semi- luxurious setup.

Regarding the Mongoose, it's argued that the current market doesn't actually need much of them. Check out, the Middle East (which is the war market) doesn't use anything more advanced than the RPG as ATG and generals can't justify buying something so advanced like the Mongoose to repel rockets so cheap, just cover vehicles with armour "nets" and you're done.


As for the Machenized wanting something in between a Rooikat and Eland, I would say they're simple asking for the impossible at the moment. They're not going to get it, not from the current budget.

We allready have a working and modernized eland...

ActivateKruger:
It's a niche market they're targeting. This plane is designed for non paved airports while offering a semi- luxurious setup.

A market so niche you expend scarce treasure to develop a product that'll never break even?

Regarding the Mongoose, it's argued that the current market doesn't actually need much of them. Check out, the Middle East (which is the war market) doesn't use anything more advanced than the RPG as ATG and generals can't justify buying something so advanced like the Mongoose to repel rockets so cheap, just cover vehicles with armour "nets" and you're done.

My argument is [not]* specifically about Mongoose. Simply the viable unfinished Denel products which could more profitably utilise the funds spent on SARA.

As for the Machenized wanting something in between a Rooikat and Eland, I would say they're simple asking for the impossible at the moment. They're not going to get it, not from the current budget.

Rooikat is classified as "medium" armour, and we currently have no efficient method to deploy it in our current deployments. The Bangui AARs emphasised the need for "light" armour that is deployable by our existing airlift, which is C-130. We sold all our Elands -stupidly, seeing that those Noddy cars are still in service in various countries - and have nothing to fulfill that gap. Budgets are cyclical, and a rational Denel would take the Mechem MC-90 and modernise it for this need. Armour Formation would pencil it in for the inevitable day budgets improve, and there'd be an export market to replace all those Elands and Panhard AMLs held together with spit and baling wire.

*Got hit by the hyper spam bot and couldn't edit.

Nigerian army

frumentius:
A market so niche you expend scarce treasure to develop a product that'll never break even?


My argument is specifically about Mongoose. Simply the viable unfinished Denel products which could more profitably utilise the funds spent on SARA.



Rooikat is classified as "medium" armour, and we currently have no efficient method to deploy it in our current deployments. The Bangui AARs emphasised the need for "light" armour that is deployable by our existing airlift, which is C-130. We sold all our Elands -stupidly, seeing that those Noddy cars are still in service in various countries - and have nothing to fulfill that gap. Budgets are cyclical, and a rationale Denel would take the Mechem MC-90 and modernise it for this need. Armour Formation would pencil it in for the inevitable day budgets improve, and there'd be an export market to replace all those Elands and Panhard AMLs held together with spit and baling wire.

MC-90

Thats what I was thinking of...

ActivateKruger:
He went on and claimed he was an American military researcher and he hangs out with USAF pilots

(read comments)

https://www.africandefence.net/angolas-su-30ks-are-not-a-serious-threat-to-the-south-african-air-force/

guy are you alright at all? Why can't you go a day without mentioning agugaust in your posts.

If you hate his personality why not move to defence web and tell him how you feel.

I don't see anything wrong in one airing his views(freedom of thought and speech).
And hope you don't? ? ?



I think it's more of He being a Nigerian and you a southie.

patches689:
If we could replace the Casspir with this...

Only if

frumentius:
A market so niche you expend scarce treasure to develop a product that'll never break even?


My argument is specifically about Mongoose. Simply the viable unfinished Denel products which could more profitably utilise the funds spent on SARA.

Denel has been developing nothing but subsystems and ammunition for 20 years. If Denel has to be a serious contender, they should go back into their root of developing platforms.... It was a shame when we had to buy the AMV Patria because no one at Denel or Land Systems OMC could make an IFV. I say let Denel get back at building bigger things (platforms) as they're already making a profit from ammo and missiles.


Let the SARA project continue, as Patches said, it would have military uses down the line.

pacretus:
guy are you alright at all? Why can't you go a day without mentioning agugaust in your posts.

If you hate his personality why not move to defence web and tell him how you feel.

I don't see anything wrong in one airing his views(freedom of thought and speech).
And hope you don't? ? ?



I think it's more of He being a Nigerian and you a southie.

Sorry, augubugugugug posts rubbish everywhere he goes. I don't care if he's Nigerian or Egyptian or the American researcher that hangs out with USAF pilots that he claims to be. If you have a problem with my view of him then you deal with it.

sheyiofficial:
The recent ransom paid to Boko Haram in
exchange for the release of some Chibok
girls have contributed to the recent upsurge
in the killings and disappearances of soldiers
engaged in the fight against the insurgents,
senior military sources have revealed.
The military men told Saturday
PUNCH that despite denials by the Federal
Government, money was paid to the sect to
secure the release of the abducted girls.
It was learnt that the insurgents demanded
for $50m for the release of the girls but
about a quarter of the sum was eventually
paid.
Saturday PUNCH learnt that the Federal
Government paid the cash in two currencies
– the naira and the CFA Francs to the
leaders of the sect to facilitate the release of
the girls.
But, the highly-ranked military men who are
engaged in the war, and who craved
anonymity because they were not authorised
to speak for the military authorities,
attributed the recent upsurge in the activities
of the insurgents to the huge ransom paid
for the release of the girls.
Prior to the current increase in the attacks
by the insurgents, it was learnt that the
troops of Operation Lafiya Dole, deployed in
the North-East, had effectively cut off food
and logistics supply to the insurgents.
Some of the sources, who are also
commanders at the war front, said that the
troops had effectively defeated the Boko
Haram members, who were on the run while
a good number of them had surrendered and
taken to a rehabilitation camp established by
the Defence Headquarters in Yola.
In October, 83 soldiers were reported
missing days after they came under a Boko
Haram attack. Though there have been
increasing reports of soldiers either missing
or killed since the Chibok girls were
released, the military initially denied the
report, it later said that only 39 soldiers
were missing.
Also, on November 4, seven military men,
including Lt.-Col. Muhammad Abu-Ali, were
killed on their way to reinforce troops at
Mallam Fatori during a Boko Haram attack.
Two days later, one soldier was also killed
while four others were wounded in the line
of duty.
In October, 21 of the over 200 girls abducted
from their school in Chibok, Borno State, in
April 2014 were released by the group.
However, the Federal Government denied
exchanging insurgents for the abducted girls
and paying a ransom to the sect.
But the military sources insisted that Boko
Haram did not release the girls without
getting anything in return and that the
Federal Government indeed paid a ransom
and released some of the group’s strategists
that were detainees.
One of the sources said it was sad that the
same government that was initially seen as
tough enough to end insurgency in the
country failed to negotiate with Boko Haram
from a position of strength.
“It is unfortunate that in government’s
desperation to secure the release of the
Chibok girls, it has put our (soldiers’) lives
in danger by yielding to the demands of the
group to collect a ransom and secure the
release of its commanders.
“It is now obvious that the group has
reinforced and bought more weapons to
fight us.”
According to another source, left to the
military, the ransom and the exchange of
Boko Haram members for Chibok girls would
not have taken place.
“Funds were given to Boko Haram and now
we can all see the result of that action; there
have been renewed attacks recently and
many of our men have been killed in the
process but we will not relent, we will
continue to do our best to secure this
nation.
“The military had reservations about the
arrangement but it was not in our hands; it
was a political decision that we had to abide
with and it was the DSS that was directly in
charge of the operation,” the source added.
Another source, who is also active in the war
theatre, said, “They got the Chibok girls and
suddenly the Boko Haram that we had
beaten and chased out of Sambisa are
attacking and killing men of quality.
“It is very obvious that they have used the
money they got from the deal to buy
equipment and recruit men to carry out their
heinous acts.
“The group is still in Mallam Fatori, they
have infested the entire area and their
strongest point into Chad is Abadam. It is
from there that they disperse their men to
carry out attacks.
“Another thing you must note is that the
towns around the borders are occupied by
mercenaries from foreign countries. Where
did they get the money to fund that?”
Investigation revealed that Boko Haram
members, who were routed out of their
dreaded Sambisa enclave by the military,
had regrouped at Abadam, and were still
holding onto the fringes of Mallam Fatori in
the northern part of Borno State.
It was further gathered that the group was
engaging the services of mercenaries with
their operational base in Abadam in the far
north, close to Chad.
The latest incidents contradict President
Muhammadu Buhari’s assertion on
December 24, 2015 that Nigeria had
“technically” won the war against Boko
Haram and that the militant group could no
longer mount conventional attacks against
security forces or population centres.
Following the President’s assertion, the
Minister of Information and Culture, Lai
Mohammed, also said on December 27,
2015 that “we have been vindicated because
Boko Haram have been decapitated
compared to the past records.”
The sect gained international attention when
it kidnapped 219 Chibok schoolgirls on April
14, 2014.
Two years later, on April 10, 2016, the group
said it wanted a $50m (N15.7bn) ransom to
free the Chibok girls, according to a report
by The Sunday Telegraph of London.
The publication said it gathered from
sources close to the sect that the demand
was made “during secret contacts with the
government of President Muhammadu
Buhari, who has said he is willing to
negotiate for the girls’ freedom.”
The sect’s six-year insurgency has led to
the deaths of over 17,000 people,
destruction of more than 1,000 schools and
displacement of about two million people.
Between May 2015 when President Buhari
assumed office and October 2016, the
insurgents have carried out over 20 attacks,
leading to the deaths of over 2,600
Nigerians.
However, Saturday PUNCH learnt on Friday
that combined forces of the ground troops,
the fighter pilots of the Nigerian Air Force
and local hunters had been deployed to fight
the insurgents around some locations in
Gwoza.
When one of our correspondents contacted
the Acting Director, Defence Information,
Brig. Gen. Rabe Abubakar, he said that the
minor setback in the operations should not
be taken to mean that the Boko Haram was
a formidable force.
He told one of our correspondents on the
telephone that the military was determined
to defend the territorial integrity of the
country and was equipped to do so.
He gave the assurance that Boko Haram
would not achieve its objective of acquiring
any territory in the country.
He said, “The group is not a force to be
reckoned with as far as the military is
concerned.
“In spite of the minor setback, it does not in
any way mean that the Boko Haram is a
force to be reckoned with. We will defend
the integrity of Nigeria to the letter, and that
is what we are committed to do.”
Faulting the payment of cash to the sect as
a ransom for the girls, a United Kingdom-
trained criminologist and Chairman of Puma
Eye Security Services, Mr. Pedro Ayandokun,
said it had to be responsible for the renewed
terrorist attacks in the country.
He said, “I was never in support of making
any exchange with Boko Haram. That is
what is creating the problem. What they
have got will not be used to buy rice, but to
acquire ammunition.”
Also, the Chief Executive Officer of Security
Watch Africa, Patrick Agbamu, said giving
cash to the insurgents would encourage
them to kidnap more girls.
He said, “The government ought not to give
money to the terrorists. It will embolden
them to kidnap more girls.”
Despite the insurgents’ recent attacks,
Agbamu, however, asked for patience,
saying, “Up till today, there are still attacks
in Afghanistan and Iran. Insurgency is not
easily stopped.”
The President of the Association of Industrial
Security and Safety Operators of Nigeria, Dr.
Ona Ekhomu, also said if the Federal
Government gives money to the insurgents,
it could empower them to carry out more
attacks.
He said at a time when the sect was broke,
giving money to them might be all they
needed to regain more strength.
He said, “There were insinuations that for
the 21 girls released recently by the
insurgents, cash was given to the terrorists.
Cash is exactly what the terrorists need to
be strengthened.”
Likewise, a professor of African History,
Peace and Conflict Studies and Director,
Institute of Peace and Strategic Studies,
University of Ibadan, Isaac Albert, said
government had not been negotiating with
Boko Haram from a position of strength.
He said, “We have said for some time now
that we have defeated the sect but it is
obvious that it is not true.”
No cash involved in Chibok girls’ release
But the Presidency on Friday insisted that
the Federal Government did not pay
members of the Boko Haram sect to secure
freedom for the 21 Chibok girls.
The Special Adviser to the President on
Media and Publicity, Mr. Femi Adesina, said
the position of government remains that
cash was not involved in the release.
“Information Minister, Alhaji Lai Mohammed,
told the country that there was no cash
involvement in the release of the 21 Chibok
girls. If you have evidence that it was not
so, simply produce it,” he said.
However, one of the lawmakers involved in
the negotiation which led to the release of
the 21 girls, confirmed that a ransom was
paid to Boko Haram but said the amount
was far less than $50m.
The source, who expressed shock when one
of our correspondents put the question to
him to confirm the payment, agreed to speak
on condition of anonymity.
He said, “I don’t think it is up to that
amount. Yes, there was a deal. Something
like that (payment of a ransom) happened
but it was never near the amount you just
mentioned; it is even not up to a quarter of
that amount. I can tell you that it was done
(paid).
“I can also tell you that the second round of
the talk was scuttled because of the
disagreement on the next tranche of a
ransom. The negotiation for another batch of
the girls has hit the brick wall as a result of
the failure to agree on an amount (to be
paid as a ransom). I am speaking to you on
this authoritatively.”

The rate at which this guy post news articles concerning BH, I'm beginning to suspect his a sympathiser of BH. I never see him post news reporting BH being killed or arrested but, his quick to post news item showing BH strength n victories.

Bro, BH can't defeat NA because they have the support of every Nigerian and God.

Smh

Salam

ActivateKruger:
Sorry, augubugugugug posts rubbish everywhere he goes. I don't care if he's Nigerian or Egyptian or the American researcher that hangs out with USAF pilots that he claims to be. If you have a problem with my view of him then you deal with it.

i know you got my point.if you think you're intelligent,keep up with it.and leave the guy outta your opinion.

I'm sure he doesn't know you exist(no offence intended).

I sometimes find your views intelligent,though.

ommo:
The rate at which this guy post news articles concerning BH, I'm beginning to suspect his a sympathiser of BH. I never see him post news reporting BH being killed or arrested but, his quick to post news item showing BH strength n victories.

Bro, BH can't defeat NA because they have the support of every Nigerian and God.

Smh

Salam

Please you didn't need to post the entire article. Could you just quote a sentence only. Thanks.

pacretus:
I think it's more of He being a Nigerian and you a southie.

I submit you've got it backwards. The guy spreads his anti-SA excrement all over the place. For example, on the excellent Pakistani site QUWA, an essay examining the potential of Denel armaments for the JF-17, sees him spreading his fact-free bile. Do yourself a favour: click on his discus profile and chances are where SA is involved or mentioned, there'll be a full-on meltdown. Even where there's minimal or no Southie participation.
Brings to mind that old proverb; dogs bark, but the caravan moves on.

frumentius:
I submit you've got it backwards. The guy spreads his anti-SA excrement all over the place. For example, on the excellent Pakistani site QUWA, an essay examining the potential of Denel armaments for the JF-17, sees him spreading his fact-free bile. Do yourself a favour: click on his discus profile and chances are where SA is involved or mentioned, there'll be a full-on meltdown. Even where there's minimal or no Southie participation.
Brings to mind that old proverb; dogs bark, but the caravan moves on.

, and i thought i was the only person who read agaugust comments in QUWA. Far far away Pakistan, i never expected to read his comments there.

Emotions run high and deep, Patches689 also behaves in the same manner. It's not just Augustine. We i guess it's not just Augustine and Patches689, we all behave in the same manner, it's all right-wing nationalism.

Unfortunately it is also the same sort of behavior both Nigerian and South-African politicians exhibit.

Henry240:
, and i thought i was the only person who read agaugust comments in QUWA. Far far away Pakistan, i never expected to read his comments there.

Emotions run high and deep, Patches689 also behaves in the same manner. It's not just Augustine. We i guess it's not just Augustine and Patches689, we all behave in the same manner, it's all right-wing nationalism.

Unfortunately it is also the same sort of behavior both Nigerian and South-African politicians exhibit.

I'm sorry Henry, but I disagree. Show one example of any Southie here who obsessively roams the internet looking for stories concerning Nigeria, her military and/or her military industry, just so they can slag them.

frumentius:
I'm sorry Henry, but I disagree. Show one example of any Southie here who obsessively roams the internet looking for stories concerning Nigeria, her military and/or her military industry, just so they can slag them.

I prefer to look at the bright side of life instead of dwelling on all that is mundane. There is so much Nigerians and South-Africans can learn from each other, i for one would like to see South-African defence companies investing in Nigeria, building MRAPs and Armoured vehicles for the Nigerian military and other militaries in the West and Central Africa region from a Nigerian production line.


These are the sort of things i want to dwell on, however we need to also take into account our individual Nationalistic sensibilities and respect that.


I mentioned Patches because he acts like Augustine(not the extreme, extreme), and i like to poke fun at that "bastard", Lmao!

Henry240:
, and i thought i was the only person who read agaugust comments in QUWA. Far far away Pakistan, i never expected to read his comments there.

Emotions run high and deep, Patches689 also behaves in the same manner. It's not just Augustine. We i guess it's not just Augustine and Patches689, we all behave in the same manner, it's all right-wing nationalism.

Unfortunately it is also the same sort of behavior both Nigerian and South-African politicians exhibit.

The fvck i do!

Outside of the other thread, when Nigeria is concerned i call it like I see it - sometimes I criticize, sometimes I compliment.

Frankly, I dont care enough about Nigeria to spend my life crawling through comment sections criticizing it (i dedicate my time to sh1tposting about Russia ).

Finally, I am hurt Henry120, you know that when I do sh1tpost, my arguments are at least not INSANE.

frumentius:
I submit you've got it backwards. The guy spreads his anti-SA excrement all over the place. For example, on the excellent Pakistani site QUWA, an essay examining the potential of Denel armaments for the JF-17, sees him spreading his fact-free bile.

link pls

frumentius:
Personally I think it's a vanity project for the politicians [what other planned Denel product has made it onto a ministerial and presidential speech?] . That market segment is saturated. Other than "it's African", what else? Denel will never achieve the economies of scale to compete on price. I'll tell you what though: I have no doubt they'll produce something great and that's fantastic for all the young engineers at Denel. Not so great for SA as the big boys will scoop them all up as usual .

Seeing Denel isn't exactly awash in funds, shouldn't they have completed the myriad commercially-viable military projects they have on their books? Bateleur MALE UAV, Mongoose etc...Hell, the Armour guys were just saying they need a Scout car lighter than Rooikat and more robust than Eland.

The Mongoose is developed with Saab as part of an active protection system.


The armour guys need both a new medium or light armoured cars.

The Rooikat is getting old. Hybrid drive, New FCS, new gum, armour, protection system etc.

The reason some of those projects are on ice is that most projects are funded by DoD.

Multiple sources reporting Colonel Sultani Makenga has left Uganda with a bunch of rebels for the DRC.

He's a former commander of the disbanded M23 rebels. Though the rebels called him a Brigadier General he defected from FARDC with the rank of Colonel.

Fled and surrendered to Ugandan authorities after being defeated by FARDC force supported by MONUSCO's FIB which SA has a battalion group.

MikeCZA:
Multiple sources reporting Colonel Sultani Makenga has left Uganda with a bunch of rebels for the DRC.

He's a former commander of the disbanded M23 rebels. Though the rebels called him a Brigadier General he defected from FARDC with the rank of Colonel.

Fled and surrendered to Ugandan authorities after being defeated by FARDC force supported by MONUSCO's FIB which SA has a battalion group.

He that desperate to get clobbered again?

patches689:
He that desperate to get clobbered again?

This time the Rooivalk gets an international order.

I doubt the reports though. He had health problems during the last days of the campaign in the DRC.

patches689:
He that desperate to get clobbered again?

This time the Rooivalk gets an international order.

I doubt the reports though. He had health problems during the last days of the campaign in the DRC.

MikeCZA:
Multiple sources reporting Colonel Sultani Makenga has left Uganda with a bunch of rebels for the DRC.

He's a former commander of the disbanded M23 rebels. Though the rebels called him a Brigadier General he defected from FARDC with the rank of Colonel.

Fled and surrendered to Ugandan authorities after being defeated by FARDC force supported by MONUSCO's FIB which SA has a battalion group.

I can confirm that as from 22h00 last night, both Ugandan intelligence and UPDF said they do not know his whereabouts.
Personally I do not think the Colonel is into self-flagellation. It has been rumoured that conditions for M23 in Rwanda are far more hospitable than Uganda.

Pertinent for us is the IED which targeted Indian troops on their morning run in Goma a few days ago. 2 years ago the Recces discovered the remnants of what might have been a ramshackle IED "school" deep in the jungle, and there's been unconfirmed reports of Al-shabaab training the ADF ever since.
Speedy recovery to the 32 Indian troopies.