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KingEbukasBlog:
I'm not answering because it won't change anything . It would progress into interminable arguments . I have interesting arguments to attend to , like this one

https://www.nairaland.com/3466792/deepsight-true-esoteric-knowledge-god

interesting arguments;those you still have points to put down.i am not arguing...just help me belief in god by answering those questions after which you can unfollow the subject.

KingEbukasBlog:
Corollary means the natural consequence or result that naturally follows . You may not know the consequence of your actions now but God's prescience can reveal that to you .

Those two instances you mentioned have a really long interpretation and explaining it to you is otiose since you are an atheist . I've learnt my lessons from my question and answer thread - I know when its appropriate to respond to you and when to just ignore your ramblings .

How is your God's double, unstable and contradictory behavior, pass as Corollary?

Is lie a Corollary of truth?

How is lie, a consequence of truth?

You're too arrogant to admit your buffoonery, when it's pointed out to you.

Your God has only succeeded in REVEALING one thing, and that's the making of folks to be idiotic. Who ordinarily wouldn't, if God virus had not infected their cognition.

akintom:
How is your God's double, unstable and contradictory behavior, pass as Corollary?

Is lie a Corollary of truth?

How is lie, a consequence of truth?

[color=indigo]You're too arrogant to admit your buffoonery, when it's pointed out to you.[/color]

Your God has only succeeded in REVEALING one thing, and that's the making of folks to be idiotic. Who ordinarily wouldn't, if God virus had not infected their cognition.

(Shock, the horror)..... Damn! [color=maroon]EGO[/color].... THAT's it!

joyContraMundum:
@DoctorAlien. Do you mean you would gladly exterminate a tribe of Idolaters who have never heard about your God or experienced him, if he commanded it?

DoctoALien won't be coming to answer this anytime soon..... Hmmmm....

Lucasiangrey:
clearly,you can only convert those who do not ask questions.

Those who do not ask ignorant questions, actually.

Be wholly, not partly logical.

Flip it around. Let the axe fall both ways.

joyContraMundum:
To state it clearly, how does a believer know he has encountered the True God and not someone else who is godlike but not God? What criteria does he use to authenticate God's identity?

How does a regular guy like you know the difference between truth and lies in your media and education?

How do you know the Earth is spherical? Have you gauged its dimensions?

How do you know man was on the moon? Were you there?

How do you know Hitler wasn't a good guy, later demonized? If Britain could call African ancestors semi-human,

why couldn't they also twist Nazi history?

joyContraMundum:
Abraham heard a voice in his head ordering him to murder his son. So, how did Abraham know it was the True God giving him commands and not the Falsus Deus (the False God)?

How do you yourself know you're under your own will?

You know of hypnotism and drug-induced suggestibility. How do you know Criss Angel didn't hynotize

you last week and instruct you towards what you are doing now?

joyContraMundum:
If someone names himself the Angel Gabriel then he is! But that's the gospel of the madhouse where any number of lunatics name themselves as figures much grander than their true selves. A madman who names himself Napoleon does not thereby become Napoleon.

So how do your authorities become authorities? Why does the US Supreme Court claim the right to intefere in peoples' lives?
Because they say so? Why is CNN a reliable outlet? Because they say so?

joyContraMundum:
Quite simply, "belief" is deranged. It offers no certainty at all. If "God" appeared right in front of you right now, you would actually have no idea at all whether it really was God. What questions would you ask to verify his identity, what tests would you conduct?

What test can you perform now, to prove the official 9/11 account, the moon landings, or the spherical earth?

Name one, or stand deranged.


Answer first yourself these questions

before you stoke yourself into the temerity of questioning the Truth.

DeepSight:
Really? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?

Then its pretty strange what he did to Jesus/ himself!

Jesus is GOD. Therefore, GOD the Father gave His only begotten Son to save the world. The law of GOD is as sacred as GOD, and only GOD Himself could atone for the breaking of that law.

He sacrificed Jesus(who is GOD but took on flesh) to pay for the destruction that we rightly deserve for breaking His Law. There are people who recognize that they are sinners, and are in need of rescue from eternal damnation which sinners deserve. Jesus' sacrificial work comes in handy to these people.

Other people who reject Jesus and His love will simply get the destruction which they rightly deserve.

joyContraMundum:
@DoctorAlien. Do you mean you would gladly exterminate a tribe of Idolaters who have never heard about your God or experienced him, if he commanded it?

All that GOD has commanded me are found in the Bible, and there is not a single command among them that encourages me to kill those I perceive as sinners.

DoctorAlien:
All that GOD has commanded me are found in the Bible, and there is not a single command among them that encourages me to kill those I perceive as sinners.

You can dodge, ehn! Is this the answer to the question I asked?

joyContraMundum:
You can dodge, ehn! Is this the answer to the question I asked?

But GOD cannot command me to go and kill people, okay?

DoctorAlien:
Jesus is GOD. Therefore, GOD the Father gave His only begotten Son to save the world. The law of GOD is as sacred as GOD, and only GOD Himself could atone for the breaking of that law.

He sacrificed Jesus(who is GOD but took on flesh) to pay for the destruction that we rightly deserve for breaking His Law. There are people who recognize that they are sinners, and are in need of rescue from eternal damnation which sinners deserve. Jesus' sacrificial work comes in handy to these people.

Other people who reject Jesus and His love will simply get the destruction which they rightly deserve.

What law of God did humans break please?

KingEbukasBlog:
Yes sir

If God changes his mind , then it contradicts His Nature as an omniscient being who knows the end from the beginning . God "changing His mind" means changing how he relates or works with humans to achieve the same ultimate plan as an omniscient being .

Its like having a plan and knowing its corollary as an omniscient being and choose to achieve this plan a thousand different ways . It does not impugn your omniscience.

Do you insist that in the Bible, God has not changed his mind or repented of anything?

gaelllic:
Be wholly, not partly logical.

Flip it around. Let the axe fall both ways.



How does a regular guy like you know the difference between truth and lies in your media and education?

How do you know the Earth is spherical? Have you gauged its dimensions?

How do you know man was on the moon? Were you there?

How do you know Hitler wasn't a good guy, later demonized? If Britain could call African ancestors semi-human,

why couldn't they also twist Nazi history?



How do you yourself know you're under your own will?

You know of hypnotism and drug-induced suggestibility. How do you know Criss Angel didn't hynotize

you last week and instruct you towards what you are doing now?



So how do your authorities become authorities? Why does the US Supreme Court claim the right to intefere in peoples' lives?
Because they say so? Why is CNN a reliable outlet? Because they say so?



What test can you perform now, to prove the official 9/11 account, the moon landings, or the spherical earth?

Name one, or stand deranged.


Answer first yourself these questions

before you stoke yourself into the temerity of questioning the Truth.

lol...... You did a nice job running away from addressing the OP. Another guy trying to change the subject of the thread. Employing round-about tactics whenever you have no answers! Stop the dodging. Address the OP already!

@KingEbuka - does the Biblical God tell lies?

https://www.nairaland.com/434436/yahweh-lying-angels

@ KINGEBUKA, Does Yahweh promote ethnic cleansing, genocide, and tribalistic hatred?

https://www.nairaland.com/438941/yahweh-again-deut-7

DeepSight:
What law of God did humans break please?

1. Have you never had any god before Jehovah?

2. Have you never refused to give the glory to GOD either by your choice or by your actions?

3. Have you never taken GOD's name in vain?

4. Have you never broken GOD's holy Sabbath?

5. Have you never treated your parents with disrespect?

6. Have you never been angry outrageously with your fellow human being for little/no reason?

7. Have you never fornicated? Have you never looked at a woman lustfully? Have you never entertained sexually immoral thoughts in your head?

8. Have you never stolen anything?

9. Have you never lied?

10. Have you never coveted somebody's property? Either his car, wife, shoe, or even his success?

If you've never done any of those things, CONGRATULATIONS! Jesus' sacrifice was not for you.

But if you're guilty of doing any of those things, you are guilty of breaking GOD's law(sinning), and the wages of sin is death.

DoctorAlien:
But GOD cannot command me to go and kill people, okay?

Ehn? HOW did you know this? WHY do you think so? Yesss.....?

@KingEbuka,

Does God repent?

"Twice the Bible says that God repented for something he had done in the past (Genesis 6:6-7 and 1 Samuel 15:11), and at least eleven times it says he repented or would repent of something he was about to do in the future (Exodus 32:12-14; 2 Samuel 24:16; 1 Chronicles 21:15; Psalm 106:45; Jeremiah 4:28; 18:8; 26:3, 13, 19; 42:10; Joel 2:13-14; Amos 7:3, 6; Jonah 3:9-10; 4:2)."

http://www.desiringgod.org/articles/the-repentance-of-god

This same link above goes ahead to give an unsatisfactory explanation of what the repentance of God refers to.

However note:

"God does not repent.

God is not a man that he should lie; neither the son of a man that he should repent. Numbers 23:19
The Strength of Israel will not lie nor repent: for he is not a man, that he should repent. 1 Samuel 15:29

I the LORD have spoken it: it shall come to pass, and I will do it; I will not go back, neither will I spare, neither will I repent. Ezekiel 24:14

For I am the Lord, I change not. Malachi 3:6

With whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning. James 1:17

God repents.

Before the flood (and just after the sons of God had sex with the daughters of men), God repented for having made humans.
And it repented the Lord that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart. Genesis 6:6

After Aaron made the people dance naked around his golden calf, God decided to kill all of the Israelites. But Moses talked him out of it by saying, "What will the neighbors think?" So God repented of the evil he'd planned to do.

And Moses besought the LORD ... Wherefore should the Egyptians speak, and say, For mischief did he bring them out, to slay them in the mountains, and to consume them from the face of the earth? Turn from thy fierce wrath, and repent of this evil against thy people. ... And the LORD repented of the evil which he thought to do unto his people. Exodus 32:11-14

God threatens to judge his people and repent by killing everyone, saying, "I will make mine arrows drunk with blood and my sword shall devour flesh."

For the Lord shall judge his people, and repent himself for his servants.... I kill ... I wound ... I will make mine arrows drunk with blood, and my sword shall devour flesh. Deuteronomy 32:36-42

After Saul failed to commit complete genocide as God commanded, God repented of making Saul king.

It repenteth me [God] that I have set up Saul to be king: for he is turned back from following me, and hath not performed my commandments [Committing complete genocide on the Amalekits] ... and the LORD repented that he had made Saul king over Israel. 1 Samuel 15:11, 35
After God killed 70,000 men (and 200,000 or so women and children) in a pestilence to punish Israel for a census that God (and/or Satan) inspired, "the Lord repented him of the evil" and quit killing people.

The anger of the LORD was kindled against Israel, and he moved David against them to say, Go, number Israel and Judah. ... So the LORD sent a pestilence upon Israel from the morning even to the time appointed: and there died of the people from Dan even to Beersheba seventy thousand men. And when the angel stretched out his hand upon Jerusalem to destroy it, the LORD repented him of the evil, and said to the angel that destroyed the people, It is enough: stay now thine hand. 2 Samuel 24:1-16

And Satan stood up against Israel, and provoked David to number Israel. ... And God was displeased with this thing; therefore he smote Israel. ... So the LORD sent pestilence upon Israel: and there fell of Israel seventy thousand men. And God sent an angel unto Jerusalem to destroy it: and as he was destroying, the LORD beheld, and he repented him of the evil, and said to the angel that destroyed, It is enough, stay now thine hand. 1 Chronicles 21:1-15

God told Hezekiah that he would die soon, but changed his mind (repented) after Hezekiah's prayer. So he let him live anoter fifteen years.
In those days was Hezekiah sick unto death. And Isaiah ... said unto him, Thus saith the LORD, Set thine house in order: for thou shalt die, and not live. ... Thus saith the LORD ... I have heard thy prayer, I have seen thy tears: behold, I will add unto thy days fifteen years. Isaiah 38:1-5

If a nation repents of its evil, God will repent of the evil things he had planned to do to it.

If that nation, against whom I have pronounced, turn from their evil, I will repent of the evil that I thought to do unto them. Jeremiah 18:8
If so be they will hearken, and turn every man from his evil way, that I may repent me of the evil, which I purpose to do unto them because of the evil of their doings. Jeremiah 26:3

Therefore now amend your ways and your doings, and obey the voice of the LORD your God; and the LORD will repent him of the evil that he hath pronounced against you. Jeremiah 26:13

Did Hezekiah king of Judah and all Judah put him at all to death? did he not fear the LORD, and besought the LORD, and the LORD repented him of the evil which he had pronounced against them? Thus might we procure great evil against our souls. Jeremiah 26:19

If ye will still abide in this land, then will I build you, and not pull you down, and I will plant you, and not pluck you up: for I [God] repent me of the evil that I have done unto you. Jeremiah 42:10

If a nation does evil, God will repent of the good things he was planning to do to it.
If it do evil in my sight, that it obey not my voice, then I [God] will repent of the good, wherewith I said I would benefit them. Jeremiah 18:8
God repented after he heard Ephraim bemoaning himself.

I have surely heard Ephraim bemoaning himself thus; Thou hast chastised me, and I was chastised, as a bullock unaccustomed to the yoke: turn thou me, and I shall be turned; for thou art the Lord my God. Jeremiah 31:18-19

Surely after that I was turned, I repented; and after that I was instructed, I smote upon my thigh: I was ashamed, yea, even confounded, because I did bear the reproach of my youth. King James Version (KJV) After Jonah's converted the people of Ninevah, God repented of the evil that he planned to do to them.

So Jonah arose, and went unto Nineveh ... So the people of Nineveh believed God, and proclaimed a fast, and put on sackcloth ... For word came unto the king of Nineveh ... and he ... covered him with sackcloth, and sat in ashes ... saying ... let man and beast be covered with sackcloth, and cry mightily unto God. ... God saw their works, that they turned from their evil way; and God repented of the evil, that he had said that he would do unto them. Jonah 3:3-10

In Amos's first vision, God makes grass-eating grasshoppers, and then repents.

GOD shewed unto me; and, behold, he formed grasshoppers ... when they had made an end of eating the grass ... The Lord repented for this. Amos 7:1-3

In Amos's second vision, God burns up the earth and sea, and then repents.
Behold, the Lord GOD called to contend by fire, and it devoured the great deep, and did eat up a part. ... The LORD repented for this. Amos 7:4-6

God has repented, in fact, so many times he's getting tired of it.
I [God] am weary of repenting. Jeremiah 15:6

http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/contra/repent.html

So which is it? Can you honestly say that Yahweh does not change his mind and does not repent?

DoctorAlien:
1. Have you never had any god before Jehovah?

2. Have you never refused to give the glory to GOD either by your choice or by your actions?

3. Have you never taken GOD's name in vain?

4. Have you never broken GOD's holy Sabbath?

5. Have you never treated your parents with disrespect?

6. Have you never been angry outrageously with your fellow human being for little/no reason?

7. Have you never fornicated? Have you never looked at a woman lustfully? Have you never entertained sexually immoral thoughts in your head?

8. Have you never stolen anything?

9. Have you never lied?

10. Have you never coveted somebody's property? Either his car, wife, shoe, or even his success?

If you've never done any of those things, CONGRATULATIONS! Jesus' sacrifice was not for you.

But if you're guilty of doing any of those things, you are guilty of breaking GOD's law(sinning), and the wages of sin is death.

This is not relevant as the sin of the bible is said to be hereditary such that even new born babies are guilty, by biblical doctrine even where they are yet to have a single thought, much less do any of these things you have mentioned.

Now aside from that, is it not true that this world is a transient one in which death is a fundamental part of life cycles: and as such does not arise from any sin?

And man who is born surely must also grow old and die, not so?

Why do animals and plants die: have they also broken the laws of Yahweh?

DoctorAlien:
Those who do not ask ignorant questions, actually.

What the fvck does this mean, by the way? Isn't the unbeliever you want to convert probably IGNORANT of your religion? Is that not the entire point of TEACHING him to get him converted in the first place? Deep shiit.

joyContraMundum:
Ehn? HOW did you know this? WHY do you think so? Yesss.....?

"Thou shalt not kill..." Exod. 20:13

@DeepSight

He WON'T answer you. His arrogance won't allow him to admit his buffoonery, as akintom has rightly pointed out earlier. He'll accuse you of "asking idiotic and ignorant questions just to stay relevant"..... Or maybe he'll tell you that you won't understand if he "explains".

DoctorAlien:
"Thou shalt not kill..." Exod. 20:13

Did Joshua and his troops KILL the entire population of the city of Jericho (bar the traitor and "all that which belongs to her" )? Did Joshua and his troops KILL all of the 12,000 people of Ai?

joyContraMundum:
What the fvck does this mean, by the way? Isn't the unbeliever you want to convert probably IGNORANT of your religion? Is that not the entire point of TEACHING him to get him converted in the first place? Deep shiit.

Some ask ignorant questions because they don't know, and are willing to learn. They are not proud, and don't claim to know.

Others ask terribly ignorant questions claiming to know. They come as though they have full knowledge of the Bible, only to ask unlearned questions. These ones need to read first before they ask questions on the part they don't understand.

DeepSight:
This is not relevant as the sin of the bible is said to be hereditary such that even new born babies are guilty, by biblical doctrine even where they are yet to have a single thought, much less do any of these things you have mentioned.

Now aside from that, is it not true that this world is a transient one in which death is a fundamental part of life cycles: and as such does not arise from any sin?

And man who is born surely must also grow old and die, not so?

Why do animals and plants die: have they also broken the laws of Yahweh?

The above bolded is not biblical. New born babies are not sinners. What sin have they committed?

Death came through sin. The earth was made as a home for man. But when man sinned, death and decay entered the world and affected everything on earth. Animals and plants die today to remind man of the perfect home he forfeited(where there was no sign of death), and of the consequences of breaking GOD's law.

DoctorAlien:
The above bolded is not biblical. New born babies are not sinners. .

You know very well that under bible doctrine, this is not true. Sin is hereditary by bible doctrine: this is the concept of original sin which affects all men and for which they need the death of Alhaji Jesus on the cross in order to be saved. . . . that is what the bible teaches, no?

joyContraMundum:
lol...... You did a nice job running away from addressing the OP. Another guy trying to change the subject of the thread. Employing round-about tactics whenever you have no answers! Stop the dodging. Address the OP already!

Child, child, child.

The OP is saying, basically

Where is the empirical evidence of your belief?

I say, basically (and if you were as smart as you think you are I'd not have to explain it.)

Where is the empirical evidence for yours?

Now common sense would dictate that the Loving God would place in mens' hearts the means to know Him and to recognize Him.

And He does. For each of us.

Men who deny this are simply liars.
Look at your own self, for example.
You flee from the very test you set for others.

This marks you. As dishonest.

As well as deranged.

joyContraMundum:
You didn't get the point, did you? You're quoting from the Bible, man. The Bible was written by men who claimed to be inspired by "God". Now, the question is, By what criteria did they arrive at the conclusion that the inspirations were from God? Was it because he called himself God? Does that make him God? How did they know who it was?

You haven't answered this.

Your ability to Distinguish God's personality from any other, solely depends on the depth of your relationship with him.
And as funny as it may sound, I will say that being rational alone is not enough to do this, it also involves being spiritual. You can't discover God by employing scientific methods it will surely fail.

Even Among humans, there is a level your relationship with someone gets to, that it becomes next to impossible to be deceived by anyone that tries to impersonate that person.

Eventually it all falls back on the strength of your relationship with Him.

DoctorAlien:
The above bolded is not biblical. New born babies are not sinners. What sin have they committed?

Psalm 51:5 Behold, I was brought forth in iniquity, And in sin my mother conceived me.

Christians often use this^ to proof their original sin concept.

Death came through sin. The earth was made as a home for man. But when man sinned, death and decay entered the world and affected everything on earth. Animals and plants die today to remind man of the perfect home he forfeited(where there was no sign of death), and of the consequences of breaking GOD's law.

Since Jesus allegedly cane to die for this sin that brought death upon us, why are we still dying?

joyContraMundum:
Faith is NEVER a rational criterion for authenticating any idea. That's why it's possible to have faith in anything that rocks your boat, that appeals to your emotions. It's all about feelings, and that's the opposite of reason.

A "Devil-worshipper" can also lay claim to "authentification by faith and expression of spiritual fruits".

You've answered nothing, dude.

How can a person authenticate God?

It is a good question. I only wish you asked from a different frame of reference (you being an atheist) then, we could have had practical discussions which would not make any sense to you.

So, back to your question:
1. We can only authenticate God when He reveals Himself (communicate and introduce Himself) AND by experience that comes from a relationship.
2. The first one is clear: like when God introduce Himself to Moses, " I am the God of your Father's, Abraham, Isaac..."
3. The second is by relationship and that comes only first through knowledge from your parents, pastors, prophets etc AND then you experience the God which "they" spoke about in a personal way that you can say "This is My God".
4. It is possible to Authenticate God in a Personal sense and yet find it difficult for specific day to day affairs because we live in a very noisy world AND we are most time more carnal than spiritual.

The major problem of Christians is not usually about the general personal authentication of God (If you are Truely Born Again, you know Him) it is about the general day tobday specifics. The environment is entirely uncondusive to spirituality so, we can be confused.

Rilwayne001:
Psalm 51:5 Behold, I was brought forth in iniquity, And in sin my mother conceived me.

Christians often use this^ to proof their original sin concept.




Since Jesus allegedly cane to die for this sin that brought death upon us, why are we still dying?

Good question.

joyContraMundum:
Did Joshua and his troops KILL the entire population of the city of Jericho (bar the traitor and "all that which belongs to her" )? Did Joshua and his troops KILL all of the 12,000 people of Ai?

Ancient Israel was theocratic i.e GOD was their King. Kings often led their people to war then to expand their territories/acquire land. GOD led the children of Israel to wars against those nations and cities because it was time for judgment to be meted on them, and also because GOD was settling them in the land which He promised to their fathers.