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For Deepsight :- True Esoteric Knowledge Of God Possessed By Humans by KingEbukasBlog(m): 5:46pm On Nov 15, 2016
DeepSight:

Alhaji Jesus to me is a human being sent by God to help human beings understand the higher path of Love and Light. God has so sent many humans and IT sends such signals through all kinds of people even today and always will.

KingEbukasBlog:

Well , I don't agree with this - I presumed you were talking about central figures in religion you know the "special humans " sent by God to man whose teachings or knowledge of the universe/life were pre-ingrained by God . Let's take a look at the teachings of central figures in popular religions .

Jesus Christ
Jesus Christ is the central figure in Christianity. He taught that moral rectitude shown by God the Father was the quintessential moral life man should live .
Matthew 5 :8 - Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect.
Christ also taught about damnation of souls after death . According to his teachings , you live one life then judgement follows after.

Gautama Buddha
Buddha is the central figure in Buddhism , he taught reincarnation - endless cycles of rebirth called the "Samsara" and rebirths occur in both good and evil realms . And your actions in your previous incarnation can affect your immediate incarnation .

Confucius
He is the central figure in Confucianism . His teachings centered on upon Ancestor worship and Filial piety . And ancestor worship involves the veneration of ancestors with the belief their spirits control the fortunes of descendants . The teachings aver that man can be good without God - improved upon by the virtue in himself .

Christ did not teach reincarnation like Buddha and to him only God the Father is to looked up to as regards to our moral lives and he (Christ) intercedes for us . He also taught that God controls our fortunes not our ancestors like Confucius taught .

Looking at the teachings of the these men , we can see they are incongruous with each other - this now portrays God , their supposed source of knowledge , as an author of confusion

You dig ?

But if you insist you are right , then how can we ascertain who indeed reveals God's purpose for mankind - the true path of Light .

So over to you sir DeepSight
Re: For Deepsight :- True Esoteric Knowledge Of God Possessed By Humans by KingEbukasBlog(m): 10:37pm On Nov 16, 2016
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Re: For Deepsight :- True Esoteric Knowledge Of God Possessed By Humans by DeepSight(m): 11:00pm On Nov 16, 2016
KingEbukasBlog:




So over to you sir DeepSight

Chief pardon me, I have been slightly busy. I will revert shortly I mentioned.
Re: For Deepsight :- True Esoteric Knowledge Of God Possessed By Humans by KingEbukasBlog(m): 11:25pm On Nov 16, 2016
DeepSight:


Chief pardon me, I have been slightly busy. I will revert shortly I mentioned.

No problem sir .
Re: For Deepsight :- True Esoteric Knowledge Of God Possessed By Humans by DeepSight(m): 6:17am On Nov 19, 2016
KingEbukasBlog:




So over to you sir DeepSight

Hello Chief.

Many apologies I have tarried on this.

Please a few little questions before I proceed though:

Has it occurred to you that every single time you interact with another human, you are having an interaction with God?

Is there a specific reason that you think that a fellow human being such as Jesus of Nazareth is Almighty God, or a special Son of Almighty God different from other human beings?

Have you averted your mind to the many similarities in the legends of other people which the story of Jesus bears?

What do you think becomes of the "eternal salvation" of many people who lived and died without ever even hearing that such a person as Jesus ever existed?

Are such people either condemned as they have been predestined not to hear of Jesus, or if they heard and did not understand why they must consider another man as Almighty God and their singular savior, does this also condemn them?

Why do you believe that Jesus died for your sins?

Is it not true that all men eventually die and that many men have died innocent deaths in pursuit of noble causes?

What is there specifically about the death of Jesus which confers salvation on all men who so believe?

Is it not true that if a similar story were told to you by your African Ancestors you might laugh at it and deride it as folklore and legend? I mean a story about a woman becoming pregnant without se.xual interaction and her child being Almighty God incarnated on Earth for the purpose of saving you by ensuring that he is murdered on a Cross?

Is it not true that before Jesus there was a sinful horrible world and after Jesus, there is still a sinful horrible world?
Why therefore should you suppose that Jesus has saved the world, and if so, how has he saved the world?

Why do you say that Jesus did not teach reincarnation?
What did Jesus say of John the Baptist and Elijah?

Have you carefully studied the parables of the good Samaritan and that of the Vineyard?

What message do you think Jesus was trying to communicate in these parables?

Let us start with these few, as I hear your thoughts, we can discuss further.
Stay blessed.

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Re: For Deepsight :- True Esoteric Knowledge Of God Possessed By Humans by Rilwayne001: 7:43am On Nov 19, 2016
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Re: For Deepsight :- True Esoteric Knowledge Of God Possessed By Humans by TomHagen: 7:49am On Nov 19, 2016
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Re: For Deepsight :- True Esoteric Knowledge Of God Possessed By Humans by KingEbukasBlog(m): 7:03pm On Nov 19, 2016
DeepSight:


Hello Chief.

Many apologies I have tarried on this.

No problem sir.

Please a few little questions before I proceed though:

Very good questions sir

Has it occurred to you that every single time you interact with another human, you are having an interaction with God?

In Christianity , the immaterial part of man which is the spirit connects with God - if by this then yes every interaction with my fellow human could be an interaction with God.

Is there a specific reason that you think that a fellow human being such as Jesus of Nazareth is Almighty God, or a special Son of Almighty God different from other human beings?

-Personal Experiences
-Prophecies foretelling His Birth
-Virgin Birth
-Miracles
-Uniqueness of His Teachings
-His entire Life
-Circumstances surrounding His Death
-Resurrection
-Appearances to the 120
-Ascension

Christ is God incarnate . At least I observed that you hinted at reincarnation in a question involving John The Baptist and Elijah . Reincarnation involves a particular human spirit having cycles of incarnations . If you believe a human spirit can incarnate , what stops God who is a spirit being from incarnating as He did with Christ ?

In short , all humans are spirit incarnates .

Have you averted your mind to the many similarities in the legends of other people which the story of Jesus bears?

Yup . This has already been addressed many times . This should help : https://www.nairaland.com/3206535/23-reasons-why-scholars-know

The thing with legends is that they can be retold and they have so many versions . Any version that bears any sort of similarity with Christ's life on earth isn't veridical - Christ has proven to be indeed a historical figure.

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Re: For Deepsight :- True Esoteric Knowledge Of God Possessed By Humans by KingEbukasBlog(m): 7:59pm On Nov 19, 2016
DeepSight:

What do you think becomes of the "eternal salvation" of many people who lived and died without ever even hearing that such a person as Jesus ever existed?

A Faith and Grace

We can use Abraham in the bible as a case study .

Abraham was saved by grace through faith . He was justified by his works . Abraham believed in God and it was credited to him as righteousness . So same applies to anyone who was born before Christ .

Romans 4:1-5
4 What then shall we say that Abraham, our forefather according to the flesh, discovered in this matter? 2 If, in fact, Abraham was justified by works, he had something to boast about—but not before God. 3 What does Scripture say? “Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness.”

4 Now to the one who works, wages are not credited as a gift but as an obligation. 5 However, to the one who does not work but trusts God who justifies the ungodly, their faith is credited as righteousness.


Romans 4:13-17
13 It was not through the law that Abraham and his offspring received the promise that he would be heir of the world, but through the righteousness that comes by faith. 14 For if those who depend on the law are heirs, faith means nothing and the promise is worthless, 15 because the law brings wrath. And where there is no law there is no transgression.

16 Therefore, the promise comes by faith, so that it may be by grace and may be guaranteed to all Abraham’s offspring—not only to those who are of the law but also to those who have the faith of Abraham. He is the father of us all. 17 As it is written: “I have made you a father of many nations.”[a] He is our father in the sight of God, in whom he believed—the God who gives life to the dead and calls into being things that were not.

Are such people either condemned as they have been predestined not to hear of Jesus, or if they heard and did not understand why they must consider another man as Almighty God and their singular savior, does this also condemn them?
B And about those who have never heard of Christ

Romans 1:19-20
19 For what can be known about God is plain to them, because God has shown it to them. 20 For his invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world,[a] in the things that have been made. So they are without excuse.

The bible let's us know that we all are naturally inclined to have the thirst for the knowledge of God . And that if we thoroughly seek God ,we shall find him .

And the aforementioned bible verse reveals that Nature serves as evidence for God - just like you deepsight tell the atheists. And you clearly said that your thoughts about God have evolved continually . You rejected the immanence of God and now you have accepted it . You are one more step away and that's accepting Christ as your lord and personal savior . You allowed that natural instinct lead you to the path of Light and surely according to the bible , you shall find Him .

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Re: For Deepsight :- True Esoteric Knowledge Of God Possessed By Humans by KingEbukasBlog(m): 1:18am On Nov 20, 2016
@DeepSight

Please I hope the prolixity of my responses is okay with you . I go holla at you when I'm done with all the questions
Re: For Deepsight :- True Esoteric Knowledge Of God Possessed By Humans by Nobody: 3:03am On Nov 20, 2016
Na here i won sleep
Re: For Deepsight :- True Esoteric Knowledge Of God Possessed By Humans by JackBizzle: 7:39am On Nov 20, 2016
KingEbukasBlog:
@DeepSight

Please I hope the prolixity of my responses are okay with you . I go holla at you when I'm done with all the questions


Upon all the grammar being blown....you remain a dullar............

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Re: For Deepsight :- True Esoteric Knowledge Of God Possessed By Humans by DeepSight(m): 10:05am On Nov 20, 2016
KingEbukasBlog:


In Christianity , the immaterial part of man which is the spirit connects with God - if by this then yes every interaction with my fellow human could be an interaction with God.

-Personal Experiences

Which personal experiences? You may please also bear in mind while answering this question that people of diverse faiths also have had their own "personal experiences" of diverse gods or envoys of God.

-Prophecies foretelling His Birth

This is not unique to Christianity, is it?

-Virgin Birth

I want you to tell me in all solemn honesty if you would have believed this is if it were an African folk tale.
Or better still, if you would believe it of your wife, if she turned up pregnant when you know you have not slept with her: and she says an Angel or the Holy Spirit did it.

What would be your reaction in either case?

-Miracles

All manner of miracles are reported by all manner of diverse religious texts concerning their own deities.

-Uniqueness of His Teachings

How are his teaching unique?
Do most religions not teach love of God and fellow man?

-His entire Life

What about it?

-Circumstances surrounding His Death

What specific circumstances? I hope not the crucifixion because that was a commonplace method of execution for criminals and any trouble makers. And I hope you know that Jesus was considered a triouble-maker.

-Resurrection
-Appearances to the 120
-Ascension

I see no reason to believe any pf these things anymore than I will believe that Mohammad flew from Jerusalem to Mecca, or that a rooster was let down from a rope in the sky to found Ile-Ife.

Christ is God incarnate.

Why do you say such a blasphemous thing?

Is it not sacrilege to equate any human being with God?

Many verses in the Bible make it evidently clear that Jesus is not God. Jesus himself said as much many times. Have a look at all these verses which I collated sometime ago when discussing the Trinity Doctrine with Mr. Anony -


D1 - I Tim. 2:5: - For there is one God, and one Mediator of God and mankind, the man Christ Jesus Christ”


D2 - John 14:28 – “I am going to the Father, for the Father is greater than I”.


D3 - I Cor. 11:3 - “But I want you to know that the head of every man is Christ, the head of woman is man, and the head of Christ is God “


D4 - Eph. 1:15 - 17. - “15 Therefore I also, after I heard of your faith in the Lord Jesus and your love for all the saints,16 do not cease to give thanks for you, making mention of you in my prayers: 17 that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give to you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of Him”


D5 - I Pet 1:3 - "Praise be to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ"


D6 - Mark 10:18 - “So Jesus said to him, “Why do you call Me good? No one is good but One, that is, God.”


D7 - I Cor. 15:28 - “Now when all things are made subject to Him, then the Son Himself will also be subject to Him who put all things under Him, that God may be all in all.”


D8 - John 15:1 – 10:“I am the true vine, and My Father is the vinedresser. 2 “Every branch in Me that does not bear fruit He takes away;[a] and every branch that bears fruit He prunes, that it may bear more fruit. 3 “You are already clean because of the word which I have spoken to you. 4 “Abide in Me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, unless it abides in the vine, neither can you, unless you abide in Me."

5 “I am the vine, you are the branches. He who abides in Me, and I in him, bears much fruit; for without Me you can do nothing. 6 “If anyone does not abide in Me, he is cast out as a branch and is withered; and they gather them and throw them into the fire, and they are burned. 7 “If you abide in Me, and My words abide in you, you will ask what you desire, and it shall be done for you. 8 “By this My Father is glorified, that you bear much fruit; so you will be My disciples. 9 “As the Father loved Me, I also have loved you; abide in My love. 10 “If you keep My commandments, you will abide in My love, just as I have kept My Father’s commandments and abide in His love.


D9 - John 20:17 – “Jesus said to her, “Do not cling to Me, for I have not yet ascended to My Father; but go to My brethren and say to them, ‘I am ascending to My Father and your Father, and to My God and your God.’”


D 10 - John 17:1 - 8 – “1 Jesus spoke these words, lifted up His eyes to heaven, and said: “Father, the hour has come. Glorify Your Son, that Your Son also may glorify You, 2 “as You have given Him authority over all flesh, that He should[a] give eternal life to as many as You have given Him. 3 “And this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent. 4 “I have glorified You on the earth. I have finished the work which You have given Me to do. 5 “And now, O Father, glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory which I had with You before the world was.”

6 “I have manifested Your name to the men whom You have given Me out of the world. They were Yours, You gave them to Me, and they have kept Your word. 7 “Now they have known that all things which You have given Me are from You. 8 “For I have given to them the words which You have given Me; and they have received them, and have known surely that I came forth from You; and they have believed that You sent Me."


D 11 - Mark 13:32 - “But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.”


D12 - Acts 2:22 – 24 “Men of Israel, hear these words: Jesus of Nazareth, a Man attested by God to you by miracles, wonders, and signs which God did through Him in your midst, as you yourselves also know— 23 “Him, being delivered by the determined purpose and foreknowledge of God, you have taken[b] by lawless hands, have crucified, and put to death; 24 “whom God raised up, having loosed the pains of death, because it was not possible that He should be held by it.


D13 - Luke 22:41 - 42 – “41 And He was withdrawn from them about a stone’s throw, and He knelt down and prayed, 42saying, “Father, if it is Your will, take this cup away from Me; nevertheless not My will, but Yours, be done.” (The Prayer in Gethsemane).


D14 - John 8:40 - “But now you seek to kill Me, a Man who has told you the truth which I heard from God. Abraham did not do this.”


D15 - Luke 23:32 - 34 – “There were also two others, criminals, led with Him to be put to death. 33 And when they had come to the place called Calvary, there they crucified Him, and the criminals, one on the right hand and the other on the left. 34 Then Jesus said, “Father, forgive them, for they do not know what they do.”


D16 - Matt 21:33 – 42 “33 Hear another parable: There was a certain landowner who planted a vineyard and set a hedge around it, dug a winepress in it and built a tower. And he leased it to vinedressers and went into a far country. 34 “Now when vintage–time drew near, he sent his servants to the vinedressers, that they might receive its fruit. 35 “And the vinedressers took his servants, beat one, killed one, and stoned another.

36 “Again he sent other servants, more than the first, and they did likewise to them. 37 “Then last of all he sent his son to them, saying, ‘They will respect my son.’ 38 “But when the vinedressers saw the son, they said among themselves, ‘This is the heir. Come, let us kill him and seize his inheritance.’ 39 “So they took him and cast him out of the vineyard and killed him.

40 “Therefore, when the owner of the vineyard comes, what will he do to those vinedressers?”

41 They said to Him, “He will destroy those wicked men miserably, and lease his vineyard to other vinedressers who will render to him the fruits in their seasons.”

42 Jesus said to them, “Have you never read in the Scriptures:
‘The stone which the builders rejected
Has become the chief cornerstone.
This was the Lord’s doing,
And it is marvelous in our eyes’

(The Parable of the Vineyard)


D17 - Matt 27:45 – 46 “45 Now from the sixth hour until the ninth hour there was darkness over all the land. 46 And about the ninth hour Jesus cried out with a loud voice, saying, “Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani?” that is, “My God, My God, why have You forsaken Me?”


D18 – Mark 16:19 – “So then, after the Lord had spoken to them, He was received up into heaven, and sat down at the right hand of God.” [And all other scripture which refers to Christ as sitting at the Right Hand Side of God, including Psalm 110:1, and all similar scripture in the Book of Revelation].


D19 - John 3:16 - “For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. 17 “For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved. [Only Begotten Son - "Monogenes" - and all other verses in scripture where the term "monogenes" i.e: "only begotten" is used].


D20 - Deuteronomy 6:4 - "Hear o Isreal, the Lord our God, the Lord is One."


At least I observed that you hinted at reincarnation in a question involving John The Baptist and Elijah . Reincarnation involves a particular human spirit having cycles of incarnations . If you believe a human spirit can incarnate , what stops God who is a spirit being from incarnating as He did with Christ ?

Because God being the sum of all infinite reality cannot be subsumed in a human being.

It would be illogical: for God being transcendent, transcends time and space.

The thing with legends is that they can be retold and they have so many versions . Any version that bears any sort of similarity with Christ's life on earth isn't veridical - Christ has proven to be indeed a historical figure.

There are many other religious figures who have been proven to be historical.

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Re: For Deepsight :- True Esoteric Knowledge Of God Possessed By Humans by DeepSight(m): 10:15am On Nov 20, 2016
B And about those who have never heard of Christ

Romans 1:19-20
19 For what can be known about God is plain to them, because God has shown it to them. 20 For his invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world,[a] in the things that have been made. So they are without excuse.

The bible let's us know that we all are naturally inclined to have the thirst for the knowledge of God . And that if we thoroughly seek God ,we shall find him .

And the aforementioned bible verse reveals that Nature serves as evidence for God - just like you deepsight tell the atheists. And you clearly said that your thoughts about God have evolved continually . You rejected the immanence of God and now you have accepted it . You are one more step away and that's accepting Christ as your lord and personal savior . You allowed that natural instinct lead you to the path of Light and surely according to the bible , you shall find Him .


I dont understand how this leads to any recognition of Jesus Christ. Peoples all over the world have always had a conception of a Supreme being - which satisfies what you are saying here. This does not lead to a recognition of Jesus as that Supreme Being.

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Re: For Deepsight :- True Esoteric Knowledge Of God Possessed By Humans by DeepSight(m): 10:30am On Nov 20, 2016
KingEbukasBlog:

And you clearly said that your thoughts about God have evolved continually .

But of course.

You rejected the immanence of God and now you have accepted it .

I am not sure about this.

You are one more step away and that's accepting Christ as your lord and personal savior .

I have always and will always accept Christ's teachings on love and since I believe that those teachings grant salvation, I am at home with the Idea and always will be. However I don't know about any acceptance of any human being as my lord and savior. God saves everyday working through diverse people and even other creatures and elements.

Most importantly a human being should strive to simply have a good heart. That is the sum of all salvation.
The parable of the good Samaritan shows this sufficiently.

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Re: For Deepsight :- True Esoteric Knowledge Of God Possessed By Humans by jonbellion(m): 10:35am On Nov 20, 2016
Chaiii
Deepsight don finish Ebuka ooooo

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Re: For Deepsight :- True Esoteric Knowledge Of God Possessed By Humans by DeepSight(m): 11:48am On Nov 20, 2016
@ Ebuka,

This is what Jesus and such other advanced souls as Buddha and others came to do -

https://www.nairaland.com/2889426/journey-soul#42873513
https://www.nairaland.com/2889426/journey-soul#42880541

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Re: For Deepsight :- True Esoteric Knowledge Of God Possessed By Humans by TomHagen: 1:17pm On Nov 20, 2016
Ebuka where are you?
Re: For Deepsight :- True Esoteric Knowledge Of God Possessed By Humans by KingEbukasBlog(m): 2:51pm On Nov 20, 2016
DeepSight:

Because God being the sum of all infinite reality cannot be subsumed in a human being.

It would be illogical: for God being transcendent, transcends time and space.

I God's transcendence does not preclude him from being a spirit incarnate . Isn't God omnipotent ?

Genesis 18:14
14 Is any thing too hard for the Lord?

Jeremiah 32:27
27 Behold, I am the Lord, the God of all flesh: is there any thing too hard for me?

It is evident that through God's omnipotence, He incarnated . And you are clearly questioning God's omnipotence .

II And I see a problem . Christianity sees The Supreme Being as three separate conscious eternal entities(infinity + infinity + infinity= infinity) and you see God as one entity so you think subsuming himself in a human being would lead to a collapse of time and space . But this "theory" works perfectly if the Supreme Being is three entities and one of them becomes a spirit incarnate or human for a purpose.(infinity + Infinity - infinity = Infinity )

III You have to understand the purpose of God's incarnation - to save mankind from imminent doom because He does not want man to perish . Its more of understanding the spiritual significance of his action .

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Re: For Deepsight :- True Esoteric Knowledge Of God Possessed By Humans by DeepSight(m): 3:34pm On Nov 20, 2016
KingEbukasBlog:


I God's transcendence does not preclude him from being a spirit incarnate . Isn't God omnipotent ?

Genesis 18:14
14 Is any thing too hard for the Lord?

Jeremiah 32:27
27 Behold, I am the Lord, the God of all flesh: is there any thing too hard for me?

It is evident that through God's omnipotence, He incarnated . And you are clearly questioning God's omnipotence .

II And I see a problem . Christianity sees The Supreme Being as three separate conscious eternal entities(infinity + infinity + infinity= infinity) and you see God as one entity so you think subsuming himself in a human being would lead to a collapse of time and space . But this "theory" works perfectly if the Supreme Being is three entities and one of them becomes a spirit incarnate or human for a purpose.(infinity + Infinity - infinity = Infinity )

III You have to understand the purpose of God's incarnation - to save mankind from imminent doom because He does not want man to perish . Its more of understanding the spiritual significance of his action .

Omnipotence does not extend to logical impossibilities.

Thus, omnipotence will refer to the capacity to do anything which is possible in the natural reality existing by default as an emanation of God itself: God itself is the singularity of all logic.

Thus omnipotence will not mean that God can, for example:

1. Create a Square Circle, OR -

2. Create a Stone that is impossible for him to lift and then proceed to lift it.


My personal take is that Divinity is too transcendent to be contained in a human physical vessel:

I have seen that you appear to have ignored all the twenty verses I quoted from the bible which make it eminently clear that Jesus is not God: and he himself emphasized that he is not. I wonder what you choose to do with those verses: ignore them? I am rather sure you will.

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Re: For Deepsight :- True Esoteric Knowledge Of God Possessed By Humans by KingEbukasBlog(m): 3:39pm On Nov 20, 2016
DeepSight:

Why do you say that Jesus did not teach reincarnation?

According to

Hebrews 9:27
27 Just as people are destined to die once, and after that to face judgment

We are destined to die once and judgement follows after

John 5:24
Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life. He does not come into judgment, but has passed from death to life.

In doctrine of reincarnation ,an end to reincarnation involves the destruction of the soul but Christ taught eternal life .


DeepSight:
What did Jesus say of John the Baptist and Elijah?

Matthew 17:12
12 But I tell you, Elijah has already come, and they did not recognize him, but have done to him everything they wished. In the same way the Son of Man is going to suffer at their hands.”

Matthew 17:13
13 Then the disciples understood that he was talking to them about John the Baptist.

John the Baptist was just likened to Elijah and it this does not denote reincarnation

Another doctrine that rebuts John TB as reincarnated Elijah is the Two Witnesses who play important roles in Christian eschatology . According to Revelation 11:1-14 , these two witnesses have not experienced death and the only two people known to have not experienced death in the bible are Elijah and Enoch . A spirit incarnate has to taste death for reincarnation to take place and the aforementioned prophets never experienced death because God took them .

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Re: For Deepsight :- True Esoteric Knowledge Of God Possessed By Humans by DeepSight(m): 3:42pm On Nov 20, 2016
KingEbukasBlog:


Another doctrine that rebuts John TB as reincarnated Elijah is the Two Witnesses who play important roles in Christian eschatology . According to Revelation 11:1-14 , these two witnesses have not experienced death and the only two people known to have not experienced death in the bible are Elijah and Enoch . A spirit incarnate has to taste death for reincarnation to take place and the aforementioned prophets never experienced death because God took them .

Where did God take them to?

Please think about this question carefully before answering.
Re: For Deepsight :- True Esoteric Knowledge Of God Possessed By Humans by DeepSight(m): 3:44pm On Nov 20, 2016
Re: For Deepsight :- True Esoteric Knowledge Of God Possessed By Humans by KingEbukasBlog(m): 3:45pm On Nov 20, 2016
DeepSight:

I have seen that you appear to have ignored all the twenty verses I quoted from the bible which make it eminently clear that Jesus is not God: and he himself emphasized that he is not. I wonder what you choose to do with those verses: ignore them? I am rather sure you will.

I did not ignore them sir . I just wanted to address the first questions you posted
Re: For Deepsight :- True Esoteric Knowledge Of God Possessed By Humans by DeepSight(m): 3:54pm On Nov 20, 2016
Remember on the Issue of Elijah that Jesus stated that no man had been taken up to heaven except he who descended from heaven. Remember that Elijah also is said to have written a letter after that disappearance.

https://www.nairaland.com/429593/physcical-bodies-dwelling-spiritual-heavens/1#5890258
Re: For Deepsight :- True Esoteric Knowledge Of God Possessed By Humans by KingEbukasBlog(m): 3:54pm On Nov 20, 2016
DeepSight:


Where did God take them to?

Please think about this question carefully before answering.

DeepSight:
^^^^

Please see here:

https://www.nairaland.com/429593/physcical-bodies-dwelling-spiritual-heavens/1

Very beautiful question

According to

1 Corinthians 15:51-54
51 Behold! I tell you a mystery. We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, 52 in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised imperishable, and we shall be changed. 53 For this perishable body must put on the imperishable, and this mortal body must put on immortality. 54 When the perishable puts on the imperishable, and the mortal puts on immortality, then shall come to pass the saying that is written:

“Death is swallowed up in victory.”

This verse addresses rapture and what we are expected to a experience . We are going to be transformed - from a perishable body to the imperishable and the mortal body to an immortal one - during the Rapture as we Christians will stay with Christ in heaven for seven years while Earth suffers in the Great Tribulation

So I think Elijah and Enoch experienced this transformation which made it possible for them to become denizens of the spiritual realm .
Re: For Deepsight :- True Esoteric Knowledge Of God Possessed By Humans by KingEbukasBlog(m): 4:06pm On Nov 20, 2016
DeepSight:

Remember on the Issue of Elijah that Jesus stated that no man had been taken up to heaven except he who descended from heaven. Remember that Elijah also is said to have written a letter after that disappearance.

https://www.nairaland.com/429593/physcical-bodies-dwelling-spiritual-heavens/1#5890258

That's John 3 : 13

John 3:13English Standard Version (ESV)
13 No one has ascended into heaven except he who descended from heaven, the Son of Man.'

It simply means that Enoch and Elijah did not ascend into Heaven by their power because God took them . Christ ascended into Heaven by his own power.

And I don't think Elijah was in Heaven when he wrote the letter - he must have written it while on earth and the letter got to Jehoram after Elijah had ascended into Heaven.

If you controvert this , then who were the Two Witnesses in Christian eschatology that never experienced death ?
Re: For Deepsight :- True Esoteric Knowledge Of God Possessed By Humans by dalaman: 1:23am On Nov 25, 2016
KingEbukasBlog:


I did not ignore them sir . I just wanted to address the first questions you posted

You ignored them. You preferred tuning around chasing your long tail instead of answering the questions he asked. The truth is that you dont even have any answers to them.

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Re: For Deepsight :- True Esoteric Knowledge Of God Possessed By Humans by alienvirus: 6:35am On Nov 25, 2016
Watching from afar. English profs doling it put real.
Re: For Deepsight :- True Esoteric Knowledge Of God Possessed By Humans by KingEbukasBlog(m): 7:35am On Nov 25, 2016
dalaman:


You ignored them. You preferred tuning around chasing your long tail instead of answering the questions he asked. The truth is that you dont even have any answers to them.

I have answers to these questions . But I'm put off by how lengthy my response'll be . I should have responded since. And its Sir DeepSight so you don't post any kind of response . Your arguments have to be tenable .

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Re: For Deepsight :- True Esoteric Knowledge Of God Possessed By Humans by realtem(m): 1:55pm On Nov 27, 2016
Interesting
Re: For Deepsight :- True Esoteric Knowledge Of God Possessed By Humans by KingEbukasBlog(m): 9:24pm On Dec 07, 2016
DeepSight:

D1 - I Tim. 2:5: - For there is one God, and one Mediator of God and mankind, the man Christ Jesus Christ”

Sir . You didn't pay attention to the commas . "For There is One God" - this is certain . "And one Mediator of God and Mankind " - this then explains Christ's role in the Trinity


D2 - John 14:28 – “I am going to the Father, for the Father is greater than I”

Christ said this as a demigod , of course The Father who is fully divine is greater than He is .


D3 - I Cor. 11:3 - “But I want you to know that the head of every man is Christ, the head of woman is man, and the head of Christ is God “

Christ's role as the mediator of God and mankind is stated then Christ as God Himself who came to earth to save man is seen here as God's subordinate because of his new nature as man .

D4 - Eph. 1:15 - 17. - “15 Therefore I also, after I heard of your faith in the Lord Jesus and your love for all the saints,16 do not cease to give thanks for you, making mention of you in my prayers: 17 that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give to you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of Him”


D5 - I Pet 1:3 - "Praise be to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ"

Christ as the Son and God as The Father .

D6 - Mark 10:18 - “So Jesus said to him, “Why do you call Me good? No one is good but One, that is, God.”

Christ never said he was not good nor did he deny his divinity here . He just wanted them to know that God is good . And that He as God is good too as seen in John 10:11

John 10:11
11 I am the good shepherd. The good shepherd lays down his life for the sheep.

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