I must hold my hands up, the 2m quoted was just a finger in the air figure, i do not know anything about Abuja properties, my point was just that if these lands were that cheap, not a lot of people would be renting and i have heard that renting is typically a good investment in Abuja, how true I dont know, it just seems to be a general consensus.

kopell:
Guys I find it difficult to believe in 2016, people are talking of land in Kubwa for 2m. As far
Back as 2011. It's had to find a plot on land with good document in kubwa, may be with all those fake area council documents. By the time one do all ratification, ground rent fees, etc alone may be close to 2m. My analysis base on livable area in kubwa. You may be lucky to get land for less then
2m, you may be the only on that will be living there, with no any infrastructure.

Onuokwu:
Please who can point me to that very useful discussion we had about locks on this thread? I didn't bookmark it at that time and 543 pages is just too much to review?

one of the greatest thread on nairaland with 331893 Views and still counting

mavverick:
BROS

all these Abuja property bonanza, it sounds really good but i hope not too good to be true. below is my thinking, if land for kubwa cost 2m or how much you guys have been quoting, who will want to rent and pay 800k ?

Also, how far is Kubwa from central Abuja and is the road good ?

Land in kubwa is very expensive o, I don't think you can get a 2m land in kubwa. I was talking about suleja.

Kubwa is not that far from the city center, say 20-30minitues drive.

I know of land along Arab contractor road and half a plot is 15m upward.

One can also buy foundation for duplex inside urban shelter brick city for 5m (though, that depend on the size of the duplex)

mavverick:
I must hold my hands up, the 2m quoted was just a finger in the air figure, i do not know anything about Abuja properties, my point was just that if these lands were that cheap, not a lot of people would be renting and i have heard that renting is typically a good investment in Abuja, how true I dont know, it just seems to be a general consensus.

Actually I am not into land property, I got all the figure from a friend who is a land agent along that axis. Land is very expensive within the city and even satellite town like kubwa and gwarinpa, that is why people are moving away to neighboring state like nasarawa and niger state for cheap land.

Ahh Got you.
So those people that sell foundation, is it that one cannot do his/her own foundation and what you get is land + foundation then you come in and do your block work then finish it off ?

It appears one has to do duplex for that kind of place, not anything you like.

abdulwastecx:


Land in kubwa is very expensive o, I don't think you can get a 2m land in kubwa. I was talking about suleja.

Kubwa is not that far from the city center, say 20-30minitues drive.

I know of land along Arab contractor road and half a plot is 15m upward.

One can also buy foundation for duplex inside urban shelter brick city for 5m (though, that depend on the size of the duplex)

mavverick:
Ahh Got you.
So those people that sell foundation, is it that one cannot do his/her own foundation and what you get is land + foundation then you come in and do your block work then finish it off ?

It appears one has to do duplex for that kind of place, not anything you like.

Something like that, they have their own design for the estate, when you buy the foundation you then build in accordance to the design

Itstyme:
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mavverick:
BROS

all these Abuja property bonanza, it sounds really good but i hope not too good to be true. below is my thinking, if land for kubwa cost 2m or how much you guys have been quoting, who will want to rent and pay 800k ?

Also, how far is Kubwa from central Abuja and is the road good ?

Kubwa is not far from central area. And the road is excellent. Talk about 25-30minutea drive.

Building Codes In Nigeria Must Be Enforced – TPL Yari Makinde Oluwarotimi — Nov 25, 2016 12:20 am | Leave a comment TPL Kabir M Yari, FNITP, PPNITP is a former president of the Nigerian Institute of Town Planners and the current Habitat Programme Manager (HPM) of the United Nations Human Settlements Programme, UN-HABITAT. In this Interview with Makinde Oluwarotimi, he bares his mind on challenges facing building and planning in Nigeria among other things. Can you tell us about the various impacts the NITP has made so far on the nation in all respects at the federal, state and local government levels? One of the things we look at is whether the institute has been able to build the capacity for its practitioners to manage the investments, to an extent, yes we have. We have been having a lot of conferences and publications and these are not only for our members but the general public, but you find out that one other thing that the NITP has done fairly well is the issue of advocacy. You find out that when you are looking at policies, for example, the national housing policy which was done in the 90s, was headed by our members. Secondly, we had been able to call the attention of government to the issue of climate change. When we were experiencing flooding, we have to plan and do other things. But even before then, our founding fathers did a lot. For example, after the civil war in Nigeria, they were the ones who were recommending government to rebuild the citizens in eastern Nigeria who were destroyed by the civil war of 1967. At the same time now, we are making a lot of cases for the rebuilding of the north eastern part of Nigeria because it’s not only building houses but providing good planning and better environment, taking advantage of the problems or disasters to give us more opportunity to plan better and give better livelihood to those people. What challenges has the institute faced in the process of fulfilling its mandates and objectives? The institute, as well as the members, have been facing a lot of problems, one of the big problems is the numbers. The population has been growing from independence, some barely around 30million, now if you look, it’s about 180million and you see it has grown like five times and the number of planners has not multiplied the same way. So you discover that the problems of the population explosion or fast population growth is a big challenge of planning because development is above planning and planners are now running behind development. Two, one of the big challenges is that many policy makers are not aware of the importance of planning but coincidentally, they want to give better lives to an extent; they want to embark on projects like roads, drainage and some other problems but what we, as trained planners, tend to do is that we help you to reduce cost and do better projects by planning ahead, so that you are able to implement but when people just want to construct roads and other things without planning ahead, you find out it’s very expensive. The third is that we are having issues of funding planning problems. There are many towns where master plans are being done but to implement that plan is becoming a problem, if they had sat down to look at better ways, such a problem would not have occurred but we tend to think the money sources are more important. Plan and plan implementation, if you do the master planning, without the implementation, you are not doing planning, so those are some of the problems we are facing. Today, most Nigeria cities have been growing without those plans like you said, so what do you think can be done about it? Urban upgrading is to provide better infrastructure. If you remember the world habitat day for 2016, the theme is Housing at the centre but the United Nations is saying housing is not just at centre but when there is a roof over your head. But housing includes decent shelter, accessibility, houses accessible to jobs and other places. It includes adequate supply of water and sanitation, adequate improved basic infrastructure. All these substitute what we call adequate housing so we find out that in Nigeria, if you put that definition, you will discover that most of the houses and urban settlement are not adequate. It means there is need for the government to provide an a solution because there are so much backlogs of houses, they have been saying that 17 million houses are needed to be provided for the people, yes you must plan ahead, not just plan but you must plan at the scale of the problem. Are satisfied with the constitutional laws guiding the institute and planning in the nation, if not what improvement will you like to be made? For the institute, I am satisfied but for the planning laws, there is a lot be done because planning is made a residual issue because there was a Supreme Court issue between the Lagos State government and federal government where the former challenged the federal government on decree 88 of 1992. But the most important thing is that both levels of government need to corporate. The growth of slums in our cities are increasing by the day. What do you think can be done? African ministers in 2014 went to Morocco and they had a resolution to make slums history. Slum purifications is a big problem in sub-Sahara African countries, in fact with the MEG, many countries have been able to reduce the number of slum pollution, even in northern Africa, they were able to reduce the number of slums in that area but sub-Sahara Africa and Nigeria were having big challenges. The most important thing that can reduce the number of slums is to plan ahead. If you plan ahead, you have reduced the purification of slums. You can’t plan ahead until you have the plan and when you have the plan, you have the implementation plan and to implement a plan, you need to mobilise resources. So my suggestion is that the Nigerian government should plan, phase out the plan and there is what we call capital investment program. So if they have the plan, they can initiate the capital investment program, usually a short term of about three years so they provide for all infrastructure on annual bases and the funding. Three, there is need for government to find ways to find infrastructures, there are many other ways government can find infrastructure, part of it is when you do street naming. You can improve your revenue, you can do what they call value capture. In former Nigerian law, they called it betterment fees. If you improve the infrastructure, the land value increases, I suggest we use what they call participatory land adjustment. When I went to India, at that time, the government didn’t have the money. They put the plots together, re-planned it well and then gave it back to the individual and subtracted the amount of space left for drainage, roads and others. At the end of it, even though the land is smaller, it will have better value and the towns are planned properly. I think I will advocate to Nigerian government that those that do not have much money should think participatory and I say participatory because you are doing it with the consent of the people, nobody will complain. When you plan like that, it will eliminate slums all over. The fourth one is that we ensure that we use public private partnership. It has been used now for private developers to build houses and sell but the problem of that one is when you look at the poor people, the ones at the bottom of the pyramid who are more than the others, they may not be able to afford it but if we do re- adjustment, it will be win-win for everybody. In many cities and states in this nation, especially Lagos and Abuja, we have places that have become refuse dumps what can be done about it? The issue of refuse is vast, even the conception because refuse and cities are all linked together. In earlier days, the cities provided the waste and the waste was used by the farmers for fertilizers and that’s why the farms grew and even the sewage, they were used to fertilize. If you at look at the 50s and 60s in Kano, they had so many donkeys. Early in the morning, donkeys would bring firewood and when they are going back, they would take the waste for the farm and that’s why the productivity was very high and the farms were very fertile, but because of modern technology the waste have become none-degradable because they are plastic and if you take it to the farm, they will only spoil the farm and will not fertilise it. What is important is how government can turn that waste into a resourceful product, and being able to create something out of the waste, which’s what we are advocating. Use the waste, sort it out by degradable waste, you can use the degradable one for manure and the other none-degradable waste, you can turn it to energy so you can save the environment. Collapsed buildings have been a menace in this nation. What is your take on this? You find out that many of these collapsed building don’t have approval and those that have approval are not following the specification or design. What we advocate is that there should be some enforcement, there should be some building codes that should be enforced and that is why we have the national building cooperation, there are buildings that are not only collapsing but when flooding occurs, some of the buildings collapse. That is what we have to bring to the drawing table, try to make the builders accommodate, also ensure that our buildings are not bad and they can withstand the disasters. We have more people in Nigeria who live in rented apartments. What can be done about it? Once you have a shelter over your head and you can afford the rent, when we say affordability that is if 1/3 of your income is going for the rent, then it’s excellent. If the amount you pay for your rent is more than your income, then it’s not sustainable, the house is not affordable. We advocate that the government should do something about home ownership case, home ownership in Nigeria.

Help needed.

Trying to choose btw these two. What are pros and cons of these step titles metcoppo?

Empiree:
Help needed.

Trying to choose btw these two. What are pros and cons of these step titles metcoppo?

They both look great. I used 0.55mm Metcoppo for the roofing of my house and love the look till date.

Just make sure you get expert to do the wood work. Mine was wrongly done by one know nothing nairalander. He didn't know the spacing for Metcoppo is different from long span. I had to let him go. I got new people to completely tear down the wood work and redo it. We bought extra wood and assessories in the tune of 420k plus extra workmanship. Other than this setback, I have no complain. Metcoppo looks great from far.

FastShipping:


They both look great. I used 0.55mm Metcoppo for the roofing of my house and love the look till date.

Just make sure you get expert to do the wood work. Mine was wrongly done by one know nothing nairalander. He didn't know the spacing for Metcoppo is different from long span. I had to let him go. I got new people to completely tear down the wood work and redo it. We bought extra wood and assessories in the tune of 420k plus extra workmanship. Other than this setback, I have no complain. Metcoppo looks great from far.

Here, I hope it is perfectly done.

You didnt demand some cash back from the first guy who messed up the roof?

Empiree:
Help needed.

Trying to choose btw these two. What are pros and cons of these step titles metcoppo?

Is choice... Both are same.

Empiree:
Help needed.

Trying to choose btw these two. What are pros and cons of these step titles metcoppo?

They are the same.. Just different corrugating machines.. Possibly different companies.. They look beautiful when the corrugating is good and it's laid well.

KolaShangOne:


They are the same.. Just different corrugating machines.. Possibly different companies.. They look beautiful when the corrugating is good and it's laid well.

thanks. Really nice. They expensive?

KolaShangOne:


They are the same.. Just different corrugating machines.. Possibly different companies.. They look beautiful when the corrugating is good and it's laid well.

why the second roof picture looks fade, or may be I need to put my glasses on. How long that house is bing roof. The last time I saw roof that looks fade like that was with Oluwa champion building when he replaced the entire roof in less then a year after installation. Do anyone remember that guy, it's bing couple of years now we hard anything about him and his project.

KolaShangOne:


They are the same.. Just different corrugating machines.. Possibly different companies.. They look beautiful when the corrugating is good and it's laid well.

Thanks Empiree for your response.
Guys, I have asked this question directly at nairababas building thread but no one responded.

Can anyone please give me contact of a welder or where I can get these iron doors..pictures below; in Port Harcourt or any closer city around it. They look solid and fanciful. I will need 6 of the doors. I will appreciate any leads from anyone reading this. The sample pictures are as shown here... Hajj, nairababa, I hope you don't mind me displaying the pictures in this thread; I can delete them if you think otherwise.

Thanks.

Truthinlife:

Thanks Empiree for your response.
Guys, I have asked this question directly at nairababas building thread but no one responded.

Can anyone please give me contact of a welder or where I can get these iron doors..pictures below; in Port Harcourt or any closer city around it. They look solid and fanciful. I will need 6 of the doors. I will appreciate any leads from anyone reading this. The sample pictures are as shown here... Hajj, nairababa, I hope you don't mind me displaying the pictures in this thread; I can delete them if you think otherwise.

Thanks.

these are definitely for exterior, isnt?. Will love to know price range for these

kopell:
why the second roof picture looks fade, or may be I need to put my glasses on. How long that house is bing roof. The last time I saw roof that looks fade like that was with Oluwa champion building when he replaced the entire roof in less then a year after installation. Do anyone remember that guy, it's bing couple of years now we hard anything about him and his project.

Oluwa Champion, I remember the dude. He replaced faded dark roof with exactly light color like this one. I think that's just the color. It is not fade

https://www.nairaland.com/806656/finishing-house-oluwa-champion

I remember following the thread. Was very interesting

Empiree:
these are definitely for exterior, isnt?. Will love to know price range for these

Yes they are iron doors (exterior); I am still amazed on how they are beautifully/stylishly done especially (Hajjs own). The color combination are unique and have those "foreign made" smell emanating all over them. That's why I am seriously in search of the welder who made/could make them. I will need about 6 pieces; 2 of the bigger ones for front porch up and down; then 4 more smaller types; All in wine color.
I don't know much about measurements but the contractor and the welder will know better.

Truthinlife:

Thanks Empiree for your response.
Guys, I have asked this question directly at nairababas building thread but no one responded.

Can anyone please give me contact of a welder or where I can get these iron doors..pictures below; in Port Harcourt or any closer city around it. They look solid and fanciful. I will need 6 of the doors. I will appreciate any leads from anyone reading this. The sample pictures are as shown here... Hajj, nairababa, I hope you don't mind me displaying the pictures in this thread; I can delete them if you think otherwise.

Thanks.

The problem is the location; only if you are willing to do it in Lagos and send it to PH. There are good welders in Lagos,

Truthinlife:

Yes they are iron doors (exterior); I am still amazed on how they are beautifully/stylishly done especially (Hajjs own). The color combination are unique and have those "foreign made" smell emanating all over them. That's why I am seriously in search of the welder who made/could make them. I will need about 6 pieces; 2 of the bigger ones for front porch up and down; then 4 more smaller types; All in wine color.
I don't know much about measurements but the contractor and the welder will know better.

I am going to save these sample doors. Can't take my eyes off them. Are u from SW?

Empiree:
I am going to save these sample doors. Can't take my eyes off them. Are from SW?

Yesoooo all thanks to Nairababa and Hajj; I was only going through naijababa buildibg thread and saw it
I don't mind doing it in lagos and sending it for me down here; all I need from Hajj etc is the welders contact. the door measurements can be taking and sent to the welder. Out of curiosity, Any idea of the approximate cost of transporting it from Lag to PH?.

Truthinlife:

Thanks Empiree for your response.
Guys, I have asked this question directly at nairababas building thread but no one responded.

Can anyone please give me contact of a welder or where I can get these iron doors..pictures below; in Port Harcourt or any closer city around it. They look solid and fanciful. I will need 6 of the doors. I will appreciate any leads from anyone reading this. The sample pictures are as shown here... Hajj, nairababa, I hope you don't mind me displaying the pictures in this thread; I can delete them if you think otherwise.

Thanks.

I am using this for my build too.. Paid 50k for the 4ft

Truthinlife:



Can anyone please give me contact of a welder or where I can get these iron doors..pictures below; in Port Harcourt or any closer city around it. They look solid and fanciful. I will need 6 of the doors. I will appreciate any leads from anyone reading this. The sample pictures are as shown here... Hajj, nairababa, I hope you don't mind me displaying the pictures in this thread; I can delete them if you think otherwise.

Thanks.

I suggest you buy the plates from Lagos and send to Port Harcourt. Any good door welder can fabricate those doors, this will save you a lot of money. Or better still ask people in portharcourt who are into door fabrication if the imported pressed steel plates are in Port Harcourt, then you can buy and get a good welder to construct the doors for you. Transporting metals doors from Lagos to Port Harcourt will cost you a lot.

Truthinlife:

Thanks Empiree for your response.
Guys, I have asked this question directly at nairababas building thread but no one responded.

Can anyone please give me contact of a welder or where I can get these iron doors..pictures below; in Port Harcourt or any closer city around it. They look solid and fanciful. I will need 6 of the doors. I will appreciate any leads from anyone reading this. The sample pictures are as shown here... Hajj, nairababa, I hope you don't mind me displaying the pictures in this thread; I can delete them if you think otherwise.

Thanks.

Bro,
I am doing 2 doors like that in PH. should be ready in 2 weeks, i will share the pix, and if u like it,i can link you up with the welder. I prayer that he come up with something cool and nice.

Thanks
Sako

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NairaBaba:


I suggest you buy the plates from Lagos and send to Port Harcourt. Any good door welder can fabricate those doors, this will save you a lot of money. Or better still ask people in portharcourt who are into door fabrication if the imported pressed steel plates are in Port Harcourt, then you can buy and get a good welder to construct the doors for you. Transporting metals doors from Lagos to Port Harcourt will cost you a lot.

Nairababa,
Thanks a lot for your advice.
Finally we are all getting positive responses as Sako just mentioned having same kind of doors been fabricated for him here in PH; I will patiently wait to see his door pictures and take a decision.
Once again, Thanks.

sako28:


Bro,
I am doing 2 doors like that in PH. should be ready in 2 weeks, i will share the pix, and if u like it,i can link you up with the welder. I prayer that he come up with something cool and nice.

Thanks
Sako

Good response Sako28,
I will sure wait to see the pictures here on this thread as it will benefit not only me but others too. Then we share contact on how to meet the welder.

Empiree:
thanks. Really nice. They expensive?

Yes. The first one (brown is Sumo) and we bought it 2100..
The second one is Tower. Bought at 2820 but we got it discounted at 2677 per sq metre.

kopell:
why the second roof picture looks fade, or may be I need to put my glasses on. How long that house is bing roof. The last time I saw roof that looks fade like that was with Oluwa champion building when he replaced the entire roof in less then a year after installation. Do anyone remember that guy, it's bing couple of years now we hard anything about him and his project.

It's not faded. That picture was taken a day after we finished the Installations so it couldn't have faded.

It's a rare colour called WHITE IVORY.

See the picture below for comparison between Grey Beige and White Ivory.

KolaShangOne:


Yes. The first one (brown is Sumo) and we bought it 2100..
The second one is Tower. Bought at 2820 but we got it discounted at 2677 per sq metre.

Quote given to me is fair then. Just about to roof mine. Quote is for the sheet pictured below