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Auki:
Linguistically, ‘Allah’ is an Arabic word derived from the contraction of ‘AI’ and ‘Ilahi’, meaning ‘the God’, or by implication ‘the One God’. Like in other Semitic language ‘Allah’ or ‘Al-Ilahi'' is related to the Hebrew ‘EI’, meaning ‘God’ (Toombs LE 1971), and ‘El-Elohim’, meaning ‘God of Gods’ or ‘the God’ Beavin EL 1971).

This basic similarity between the Arabic ‘Al-Ilahi’, of which ‘Allah’ is a contraction, and the Hebrew ‘El-Elohim’ can be seen even more clearly when one considers the Arabic and Hebrew alphabets. Neither Arabic nor Hebrew have letters for vowels. Both languages have alphabets consisting only of consonants, and both rely on vowel markings, typically found only in formal writing, as a pronunciation guide.

The English transliteration of the Arabic ‘Al-Ilahi’ and of the Hebrew ‘El­Elohim’ have included these vowel markings. If one were to remove the English transliteration of these vowel markings, the Arabic becomes ‘AI­Ilh’ and the Hebrew becomes ‘El-Elhm’. If one were to remove the plural of respect, which is found only in the Hebrew, the Arabic remains ‘AIIlh’, while the Hebrew becomes ‘EI-Elh’, Finally, if one were to transliterate all Arabic ‘Alifs’ as ‘a’, and all Hebrew ‘Alifs’ as ‘a’, the Arabic becomes ‘AI-Alh'.' and the Hebrew becomes ‘AI-Alh’.

In other words, with the single exception that the Hebrew uses the plural of respect, ‘AI­Ilahi’, for which ‘Allah’ is a contraction, and ‘El-Elohim’, the Hebrew translated as ‘God’ in the English version of the Old Testament.

I hope this assist.

The God written about in the bible and the Koran have very different attributes and are not the same. The God if the bible has a name his name is Jehovah Yahweh. He isnt Allah. ISLAM IS NOT his religion.

hopefulLandlord:
really?

Yeah they knew Allah as a supreme God but they didn't worship it but worship other personal idols

EyeHateGod:
Yeah they knew Allah as a supreme God but they didn't worship it but worship other personal idols

That is correct.

Arab believed that those personal idols provided the only access to God. Rich Arab can afford to buy more expensive Idols. Howerver, some minority Arab called hanif held on to pure Monotheism as introduced by Abraham to the native.

Auki:
Who is Allah?
Often one hears the Arabic word “Allah” being used in discussions regarding Islam. The word “Allah” is simply the Arabic word for Almighty God, and is the same word used by Arabic speaking Christians and Jews. As a matter of fact, the word Allah was in use far before the word God ever came into existence, since English is a relatively new language. If one were to pick up an Arabic translation of the Bible, one would see the word “Allah” being used where the word “God” is used in English. For instance, Arabic speaking Christians say that Jesus is, according to their canon belief, the Son of Allah.

M Not denying The Fact that the Word Allah Translate to God in Arabic...

In addition, the Arabic word for Almighty God, “Allah”, is quite similar to the word for God in other Semitic languages. For example, the Hebrew word for God is “Elah”. For various reasons, some non-muslims mistakenly believe that muslims worship a different God than the God of Moses and Abraham and Jesus.

@bolded is Wrong.. The Hebrew Translation of God is El and Elohim simply means Gods..

This is certainly not the case, since the Pure Monotheism of Islam calls all people to the worship of the God of Noah, Abraham, Moses, Jesus and all the other prophets, peace be upon them.

When did this pure monotheism of Islam start?

Auki:
That is correct.

Arab believed that those personal idols provided the only access to God. Rich Arab can afford to buy more expensive Idols. Howerver, some minority Arab called hanif held on to pure Monotheism as introduced by Abraham to the native.

No they didn't believe those idols provided the only access to God... The problem was they knew the supreme God to be Allah but they didn't worship it... They would rather worship other idol that they create to solve their problem. This doesn't mean they didn't take Allah as the supreme they did but they did not worship it not until muhammed.

KingEbukasBlog:
There is young earth creationism - the belief earth is between 10,000 - 6000 years

There is Old Earth creationism - the belief earth is as old as science says it is

There is Progressive Creationism - the belief God created life gradually over millions of years

There is theistic evolution - The belief God used natural selection as a mechanism for creation

It is clear the OP is ignorant of these and how they could affect his argument

Thank you

Thread closed !

And all of these come from one god and one bible?

hahn:
And all of these come from one god and one bible?

Anything that comes to his mind he says. He doesn't sit back to reason if it makes any sense.

EyeHateGod:
M Not denying The Fact that the Word Allah Translate to God in Arabic...

@bolded is Wrong.. The Hebrew Translation of God is [b] El and Elohim simply means Gods..
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When did this pure monotheism of Islam start?

My response below

1. @bolded is wrong observation
I will, by God grace, make further research on that.

2. When did Pure monotheism of Islam start.

Item A below speak to your question. Item A to C also provides good criteria to rationally examine the right religion for true seeker.

A. The universally of the message to all men and all times.

B. Who coins the name of the religion. Man or God

C. Who is the central figure of worship. Creator or His creation

A. Islam’ is an Arabic which means ‘submission to the will of God’ and anybody who submits to the will of God is called Muslim in Arabic. It is the same, continuous, universal and eternal message revealed through the ages to all of God’s prophets and messengers. Muslims believe that all of God’s prophets, which include Abraham, Noah, Moses, Jesus and Muhammad, brought the same message of Pure Monotheism. For this reason, the Prophet Muhammad was not the founder of a new religion

Central message of all prophets and messengers was for mankind to submit to God’s will.Submission to God requires believing in oneness of Almighty God. Muslims are therefore required to maintain a direct relationship with God, and therefore all intermediaries are absolutely forbidden.

B. Islam is not named after a person or a people, nor was it decided by a later generation of man, as in the case of Christianity which was named after Jesus Christ, Buddhism after Gautama Buddha, Confucianism after Confucius, Marxism after Karl Marx, Judaism after the tribe of Judah and Hinduism after the Hindus.

This day have I perfected your religion for you, completed My favour upon you, and have chosen for you Islam as your religion. (Quran 5:3)
If anyone desires a religion other than Islam (submission to God), never will it be accepted of Him. (Quran 3:85)

C Islam demands mankind to strictly worship only God alone, the creator. God is neither equal to His creation nor a part of it, nor is His creation equal to Him or a part of Him. Islam calls man away from worship of creation(like Sun, moon, star, Jesus, saint, marry etc) and invites him to worship only his Creator. He is the only one deserving of man’s worship, because it is only by His will that prayers are answered. Thus Quran stated that Jesus never ask mankind to worship him.

For we assuredly sent amongst every people a prophet, with the command Worship Me and avoid false Gods. (Quran 16:36)

And behold! Allah will say: ‘O Jesus, the son of Mary! Did you say to men, worship me and my mother as gods besides Allah?, He will say: “Glory to you, I could never say what I had no right (to say). (Quran 5:118)

Nor did Jesus worship himself when he worshipped, but rather he worshipped God. And Jesus was reported in the Gospels to have said, “It is written: [b]‘Worship the Lord your God and serve Him only.’ (Luke 4:

Regards.

Grizzly, you are one awesome knowledgeable person, which is an amazing thing cuz intelligent atheist just operate at a higher realm.
But you seem to forget that just as you choose not to believe in the supernatural and you cool with it cuz it's working for you, others too have decided to believe in it and it's working for them.
Just as you find it impossible to believe in a God and salvation, that's how some pple find it impossible to not believe in God and his salvation. Even the divided religious sects still have what they believe in work for them. So to me debates between atheists and religion is endless and never satisfying. Even debates and arguments between different religious groups. Let's just leave it.

EyeHateGod:
@Auki do you know that Allah wasn't actually worshiped until Prophet Muhammad came into the Scene?

Lol...guy where'd you get that from?
You have no idea

EyeHateGod:
Yeah they knew Allah as a supreme God but they didn't worship it but worship other personal idols

I guess you are referring to the Arabs, but they weren't the first... How about Muusa (Moses) in Islam? Whom did he worship? Adam? Noah? David? Abraham? Jesus? Job etc did they worship other than Allah?
I guess you were once a Christian so you know a lot about Christianity but obviously little or nothing about Islam

mustymatic:
I guess you are referring to the Arabs, but they weren't the first... How about Muusa (Moses) in Islam? Whom did he worship? Adam? Noah? David? Abraham? Jesus? Job etc did they worship other than Allah?
I guess you were once a Christian so you know a lot about Christianity but obviously little or nothing about Islam

Islam plagiarized most of it's doctrine from Judiasm and Christianity...

mustymatic:
Lol...guy where'd you get that from?
You have no idea

Actually i do.

EyeHateGod:
Actually i do.

Okay, where?

EyeHateGod:
Islam plagiarized most of it's doctrine from Judiasm and Christianity...

It's because they're from the same source naw, how hard could that be to get? The corruption of doctrine is another story.

mustymatic:
It's because they're from the same source naw, how hard could that be to get? The corruption of doctrine is another story.

So you mean i can create my own Religion today and say it's God is from the same source so it's authentic? Just cause of similar stories?

mustymatic:
Okay, where?

Islam started 1400 years ago...

EyeHateGod:
So you mean i can create my own Religion today and say it's God is from the same source so it's authentic? Just cause of similar stories?

It's not about the stories, yes you can, good luck!

EyeHateGod:
Islam started 1400 years ago...

Not the answer I was expecting. I said where . But it's OK
Peace

mustymatic:
Not the answer I was expecting. I said where . But it's OK
Peace

What where you Expecting?

mustymatic:
It's not about the stories, yes you can, good luck!

Why trying to Run now?

EyeHateGod:
What where you Expecting?

Why trying to Run now?

I was expecting your sources, I'm not running, I know just how it ends

mustymatic:
I was expecting your sources, I'm not running, I know just how it ends

You where expecting my source if i had give you a source would it change your mind?

EyeHateGod:
You where expecting my source if i had give you a source would it change your mind?

Will mine change yours? That's my point. Why not, but from the looks of things you know little about Islam

mustymatic:
Will mine change yours? That's my point. Why not, but from the looks of things you know little about Islam

Can you please point out where i said i know everything about Islam?

dalaman:
This only shows that there is confusion in christianity and that christians do not know what exactly to believe and as such they just keep making things up as they go. How can people that claim to have the word of God and are guided by some elusive holy Spirit hold such different and divergent views?

Doesn't this show you that christianity is just another man made venture? Which is the true position of the Christian God and what does the christian God want people to know about creation? Is there an entity that is as confused as the Christian God?

I am a christian, at least for now, so don't get me wrong.
I usually call it clash of the Holy Spirits. Every one is led by the Spirit yet can't agree. They end up claiming the other is not holy spirit.

Certitude:
I am a christian, at least for now, so don't get me wrong.
I usually call it clash of the Holy Spirits. Every one is led by the Spirit yet can't agree. They end up claiming the other is not holy spirit.

They only self project themselves as God while laying claim to the Holy Spirit. KingEbukasBlog knows very well that there is nothing like any holy Spirit guiding christians anywhere else there won't be any confusion. If he believes in the holy Spirit then he should tell the holy Spirit to tell him whose view is correct among the litany he outlined.

EyeHateGod:
Islam plagiarized most of it's doctrine from Judiasm and Christianity...

dont mind the religion!
Very ludicrous onee!
Jesus was a servant of allah...
Na wa!

EyeHateGod:
Can you please point out where i said i know everything about Islam?

Sorry about that, but all I meant was what u claim is not right, at least islamically

promisechuks:
gbam!!

your first statement, I mean after the question, is one of my main hatred towards atheism.

I have experienced it first hand.

And later Christians think Atheist are the ones angry and hateful.

naijadeyhia:
I mentioned you in a video. Go take a look. Armchair atheism is unacceptable

Do you make youtube videos?

**I noticed the diagram in your pfp, it seems to be done with ArchiCAD