Anas09:

What. You made the claim, you are to present verifiable proofs that it did.

Why get bored? Your thread is still very young.

How did you know your IQ increased? You said because you were discussing philosophy to the point that folks thought you studied philosophy.

The question now came, "Did Philosophy increase your lQ? Yes or No.

If yes, did the IQ remian within the confines of Philosophy or did it also show in the way you scaled other heights in your academic Endeavours?


What happened to the IQ after you left atheism, did it dropped?

Do you still have the high level lQ now that you are a Diest?

Lolz it didnt drop. am still on the quest of more knowledge. look, if i am to discuss this with you its going to be a long talk and it will cut majorly across psychology and society demands and wants. including human condition. can i promise you as i open more threads i will mention you. tht period i saw a boost in knowledge. am going to follow you now so i'll keep in touch with you. ok?

AngelsAndStars:
if you look at verious religion there are always sentiments. thats why we are humans. even in churches, mosques there always will be sentiments of one form or the other. the God described by the bible shows a God of anger, envy and many other traits a loving God shouldnt have. God in the old testament seemed like a man. taking sides, having a people, having favorites, getting angry etc etc. that sounds like the characteristics of a man. if i were God i wouldnt be petty to that extent of punishing a mere mortal, a victim of life puzzle and cruel nature all in a bid for what? makes no sense TO ME. this is what i feel bro. and what i feel is my own religion.

You didnt answer my question

jonbellion:

Didn't I just answer your question
Free will
Free will
An omniscient entity gave humans free will according to the christian doctrine

To do what with it?

4everGod:


You didnt answer my question

sorry, i believed i prayed to God. yes i did.

Oh now i get it... they are Actually angry that the Three weeks the op was an Atheist There was an actual boost in KNOWLEDGE THAT Is what is paining them it doesn't matter if the op later shifted to Christianity it doesn't just matter..

AngelsAndStars:
sorry, i believed i prayed to God. yes i did.

Like i said what God did you pray to? A personal caring God? If YES, is that not the same description He is given in the Old Testament and most parts of the Old Testament? Are the entire Old testament about Gods anger and punishment? Are there no parts that show compassion and pity and deliverance? Even if you claim there are none then why focus on the Old testament when you also have the New testament? Did you miss that part of the Bible?

AngelsAndStars:
i wont go into details but something happened and i got angry with my pastor neighbor(teacher living in our lodge), a fellow alfa corper and a rev sister. they did bad in a programme organized by a corper doctore for free medical. i the bad boy did correct according to principle. when we go to lodge i blasted my friend(alfa) and strolled off to a celle programme just to listen to preaching. i didnt have 1 naira with me and the next day was market day.

i prayed to God that i needed money to buy things so i can manage before alawi comes(market day is every 4 days).. while listening to the preaching i prayed in me, reminded God how awful those religious guys behaved. i prayed for just 200 naira. cos i had no choice. all corpers were broke or had last card. no one to turn to. i practically turned to a God i doubted at that time

i left the premises and immediately outside the gate i picked up 200naira. it was glorious. i had other ingredients and garri so i used it to prepare soup which lasted till alawi came. coincidence? i didnt think so, i believed and it worked for me. my God worked for me.

Hahahahahahahahaha. Chai. God is good ooo

AngelsAndStars:
Lolz it didnt drop. am still on the quest of more knowledge. look, if i am to discuss this with you its going to be a long talk and it will cut majorly across psychology and society demands and wants. including human condition. can i promise you as i open more threads i will mention you. tht period i saw a boost in knowledge. am going to follow you now so i'll keep in touch with you. ok?

4everGod:


Like i said what God did you pray to? A personal caring God? If YES, is that not the same description He is given in the Old Testament and most parts of the Old Testament? Are the entire Old testament about Gods anger and punishment? Are there no parts that show compassion and pity and deliverance? Even if you claim there are none then why focus on the Old testament when you also have the New testament? Did you miss that part of the Bible?

what God how? my own God na. the creator or you expect fancy name oh yeah. i also call him elohim, even allah but all in all my heart knows am referring to the creator... oh yeah, even the new testaments hell fire and forever bullshit. you just dont get it do you? i only choose which to believe and leave out the rest. i cherry picked. very simple

EyeHateGod:
Oh now i get it... they are Actually angry that the Three weeks the op was an Atheist There was an actual boost in KNOWLEDGE THAT Is what is paining them it doesn't matter if the op later shifted to Christianity it doesn't just matter..

That is not the focus and nobody is angry with the OP. If you actually got a knowledge boost as an atheist it would have been evident on this thread but all we have witnessed has been a devolution of knowledge. Stop displaying that..its hurtful to the eyes.

Anas09:

Hahahahahahahahaha. Chai. God is good ooo

EyeHateGod:
Oh now i get it... they are Actually angry that the Three weeks the op was an Atheist There was an actual boost in KNOWLEDGE THAT Is what is paining them it doesn't matter if the op later shifted to Christianity it doesn't just matter..

that period i pondered on many questions life had. question i never thought of before and this time i saw it with a clear mind. not a religious mind. pure reason. i was what the society would term mad if i had said what i had in mind.. even till this day i have some reservations but the society. we stuck in it and you know what that means.

AngelsAndStars:
what God how? my own God na. the creator or you expect fancy name oh yeah. i also call him elohim, even allah but all in all my heart knows am referring to the creator... oh yeah, even the new testaments hell fire and forever bullshit. you just dont get it do you? i only choose which to believe and leave out the rest. i cherry picked. very simple

Thank you for saying you Cherry Picked.

So since you cherry picked what authority have you compared the parts you left out of your cherry picking that showed you were right to Cherry pick?

Since you claim not to be able to be fully sure even at death so why cherry pick? This takes us back to your attempt to want to make sure you understand everything. The first attempt you tried doing that almost made you mad and you still feel that is the best way to go?

Can you have full knowledge if you leave out a statement here and there? If you believe God is bigger than we know him to be which is true then why do you think the things he plans or prepares or says MUST be 100% understandable to you as a human? Are you Omniscient?

LambanoPeace:
What's your morality based on?

I consider something to be morally wrong if it causes people to suffer unnecessarily and unfairly.

@AngelsandStars I don't know if you've been told but you were never an atheist.

Seun:
I consider something to be morally wrong if it causes people to suffer unnecessarily and unfairly.

What do you term as unfair and unnecessary?

Everything deserves a balance or it would all spin out of control. E.g Nairaland! You have about 20 rules just to control less than 1.8million people whose lives you are not privy to except when they write and make posts. Those who observe as guests how do you control them when you do not know when they actually carry out some of the offences on your forum in real life? Like defamation, insult, false information, incite, etc

For you to call something unfair and unnecessary then you must become Omniscient. Seun are you Omniscient?

4everGod:
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Thank you for saying you Cherry Picked.

So since you cherry picked what authority have you compared the parts you left out of your cherry picking that showed you were right to Cherry pick?

Since you claim not to be able to be fully sure even at death so why cherry pick? This takes us back to your attempt to want to make sure you understand everything. The first attempt you tried doing that almost made you mad and you still feel that is the best way to go?

Can you have full knowledge if you leave out a statement here and there? If you believe God is bigger than we know him to be which is true then why do you think the things he plans or prepares or says MUST be 100% understandable to you as a human? Are you Omniscient?

Lmao nawa ooh. everybody cherry picks na. why na my own come be case here now? haba. pastors are quick to say thou shall not use idol or thou shall not kill(even when old testaments says so) but will still go to Malachi and preach tithe. thats cherry picking na. everyone picks the one that does favour them, or the one that makes them comfortable.

besides, atheism is what made me almost ran mad oh, because i then saw no meaning in living.

khadaffi:
@AngelsandStars I don't know if you've been told but you were never an atheist.

if atheism means not believing in God then yes i was one. now you are going to tell me otherwise?

AngelsAndStars:
Lmao nawa ooh. everybody cherry picks na. why na my own come be case here now? haba. pastors are quick to say thou shall not use idol or thou shall not kill(even when old testaments says so) but will still go to Malachi and preach tithe. thats cherry picking na. everyone picks the one that does favour them, or the one that makes them comfortable.

besides, atheism is what made me almost ran mad oh, because i then saw no meaning in living.

Yes Atheism almost made you run mad because it boasts of having absolute knowledge when in truth it lacks it. the NO GOD ideology means man has now become GOD to himself so that creates the illusion of being all knowing...but that in truth is PRIDE.

You have access to the Bible same as i do but your claim of Cherry picking laid emphasis on Hell etc so if you feel hell is laughable do you also think Heaven is laughable?

Confused people everywhere

4everGod:


Yes Atheism almost made you run mad because it boasts of having absolute knowledge when in truth it lacks it. the NO GOD ideology means man has now become GOD to himself so that creates the illusion of being all knowing...but that in truth is PRIDE.

You have access to the Bible same as i do but your claim of Cherry picking laid emphasis on Hell etc so if you feel hell is laughable do you also think Heaven is laughable?

No God ideology means man is useless and every earthly activity is useless. if you noticed many philosophers of old didnt marry, some had a weird life. i was drifting to that. heck, i didnt even see a need to comb my hair, to me it was a stupid act to please people(of cos it still is) lolz....

who wouldnt wish for heaven? see jehover witness, they dont believe in hell fire but new heaven. fear(hell) is the main driver of religion i believe you know that. i see it as petty, using threats to "win" souls for my creator.

what if coming to life is actually a punishment for a "sin" we committed in our real spiritual home and after this chapter we return back to the creator? so many what ifs. at the end o the day. each religion has what its own philosophy. i have mine.

AngelsAndStars:
if atheism means not believing in God then yes i was one. now you are going to tell me otherwise?

Atheist, freethinkers, agnostic etc...... Don't believe in God but you were a freethinker. And I'm not even sure you've totally left that stage.

khadaffi:

Atheist, freethinkers, agnostic etc...... Don't believe in God but you were a freethinker. And I'm not even sure you've totally left that stage.

stop telling me what i am.

4everGod:


That is not the focus and nobody is angry with the OP. If you actually got a knowledge boost as an atheist it would have been evident on this thread but all we have witnessed has been a devolution of knowledge. Stop displaying that..its hurtful to the eyes.

What knowledge have u contributed to this Thread? If not the same ad hominem?

AngelsAndStars:
sorry but it is rational. my entire post is saying people are not bling to believe or not to believe God. both are rational seun. but one less rational than the other. we popping out of nothing can't be more rational than a "creator" even if there are no evidence.

Through the work of biologists, we know that we developed into complex creatures from simple creatures through the process of evolution, but we do not really know how the first simple creature came into existence. Through the work of physicists, we know that the stars and planets in the universe, including the earth, came from a "big bang", but we do not really know how the initial conditions for the big bang came to be. So no one is saying that we popped out of nothing. What we're saying is that to the extent that we know, we're a result of natural processes.

but have you ever seek to find God outside religion? thats what i did. and i have nothing but faith. atheists like yourself too use faith since you also said it no one is 100% sure.

Can you tell me exactly how you found God outside religion? Do you talk to him and does he talk back to you? Details, pls! (Religion is what leads most people to believe that God exists in the first place, so if you drop religion, I can't imagine why you wouldn't also drop God.)

so mr seun, which is more foolish? that we popped out of nothing or a "God" is responsible(not religious God please note)

Nobody is saying that we popped out of nothing. There are things we know about where we came from, and things which we don't know. Yet.

AngelsAndStars:
No God ideology means man is useless and every earthly activity is useless. if you noticed many philosophers of old didnt marry, some had a weird life. i was drifting to that. heck, i didnt even see a need to comb my hair, to me it was a stupid act to please people(of cos it still is) lolz....

who wouldnt wish for heaven? see jehover witness, they dont believe in hell fire but new heaven. fear(hell) is the main driver of religion i believe you know that. i see it as petty, using threats to "win" souls for my creator.

what if coming to life is actually a punishment for a "sin" we committed in our real spiritual home and after this chapter we return back to the creator? so many what ifs. at the end o the day. each religion has what its own philosophy. i have mine.

At the Bolded, Love drew me to God and not fear and i love Him more everyday. Relationship with God should get to the point where its not even about a promise of heaven or a judgement of Hell. That is when you have evolved to become a lover of God.

Those who try to coral people into coming to God using Hell are themselves misinformed because that is not the purpose of Jesus coming. He came to make us friends to God and he came by way of Love...John 3: 16 ....People leave out the beginning of that verse and always skip to the part that talks about Perishing but will there be a perishing if there was a belief in Christ?

Its like a city with a death sentence as a law placed on any who commit murder and you have a son who isnt aware of this law but you tell him about it and he now is aware. The death penalty would remain dormant and would only be activated when or if he commits murder.

Would you then blame the law giver or the breaker of the law who knew the penalty for such an offence yet decided to break it.

Seun:

Through the work of biologists, we know that we developed into complex creatures from simple creatures through the process of evolution, but we do not really know how the first simple creature came into existence. Through the work of physicists, we know that the stars and planets in the universe, including the earth, came from a "big bang", but we do not really know how the initial conditions for the big bang came to be. So no one is saying that we popped out of nothing. What we're saying is that to the extent that we know, we're a result of natural processes.


Can you tell me exactly how you found God outside religion? Do you talk to him and does he talk back to you? Details, pls! (Religion is what leads most people to believe that God exists in the first place, so if you drop religion, I can't imagine why you wouldn't also drop God.)


Nobody is saying that we popped out of nothing. There are things we know about where we came from, and things which we don't know. Yet.

Lolz. you say it is religion that makes man believe in God. OK then what made people believe the first religion on earth? you see you are wrong?

oh thank God there's a grid. there's a point where science stops. there will always be a point because each answer creates another question. if you think science will eventually get to a paintball say "here is the beginning "(even without proof, just theories base on assumptions) then there's be more questions.

God or no God, the human condition must find God. intelligence beget intelligence. it's either there's a God or we are gods.

Seun:

Through the work of biologists, we know that we developed into complex creatures from simple creatures through the process of evolution, but we do not really know how the first simple creature came into existence. Through the work of physicists, we know that the stars and planets in the universe, including the earth, came from a "big bang", but we do not really know how the initial conditions for the big bang came to be. So no one is saying that we popped out of nothing. What we're saying is that to the extent that we know, we're a result of natural processes.


Can you tell me exactly how you found God outside religion? Do you talk to him and does he talk back to you? Details, pls! (Religion is what leads most people to believe that God exists in the first place, so if you drop religion, I can't imagine why you wouldn't also drop God.)


Nobody is saying that we popped out of nothing. There are things we know about where we came from, and things which we don't know. Yet.

The OP is not being Religious Seun. He is seeking a personal Relationship with God and that is not Religion. Relationship Transcends Religion. He is right to quit Religious living yet embrace God but anyone who quits Religion and abandons God never had a relationship with God in the first place. I hope you get the drift

4everGod:


At the Bolded, Love drew me to God and not fear and i love Him more everyday. Relationship with God should get to the point where its not even about a promise of heaven or a judgement of Hell. That is when you have evolved to become a lover of God.

Those who try to coral people into coming to God using Hell are themselves misinformed because that is not the purpose of Jesus coming. He came to make us friends to God and he came by way of Love...John 3: 16 ....People leave out the beginning of that verse and always skip to the part that talks about Perishing but will there be a perishing if there was a belief in Christ?

Its like a city with a death sentence as a law placed on any who commit murder and you have a son who isnt aware of this law but you tell him about it and he now is aware. The death penalty would remain dormant and would only be activated when or if he commits murder.

Would you then blame the law giver or the breaker of the law who knew the penalty for such an offence yet decided to break it.

so we were created(against our will) tagged with original sin(we didn't commit) and coerced with hell fire's punishment in order to pay for the sin? very logical I must say.

what's the need of all these? why not create us perfect and put us in heaven so we can sing praises all eternity? why give people a world of puzzle? a world where we will have to figure out whatsup with little or no evidence? a world where we are limited in knowledge?

look, I don't want to go down that lane with you. you are now trying to talk your religion to me but sorry I would rather not discuss that.

thanks anyway.

Gombs:
Seun, hold up a bit... Let's look at this from a different perspective. You're a programmer,great.

The DNA code we all know, informs and programs a cell's behavior.

Why is this so amazing? One has to ask....how did this information program wind up in each human cell? These are not just chemicals. These are chemicals that instruct, that code in a very detailed way exactly how the person's body should develop.

The evidence suggests that the complex DNA in our bodies developed from very simple DNA in ancient microscopic organisms through the process of evolution. How the first simple living organism with DNA came to be is not yet fully understood, but evolution explains how our complex DNA came to be. DNA is not logically tight, like procedural computer code. It's full of redundancies, errors, large portions which are completely unneeded by the current organism but still lurking there, etc. If DNA was designed by a programmer, he/she must have been very careless or intoxicated. But it makes perfect sense if it developed through the process of evolution. Evolution is imperfect and that's why it works.

Seun I didn't "find" God like "tadaaa" hide and seek. the moment he becomes accessible by every dickhead he ceases to be God. the reason he is God is because we never get to see him

i didn't find God. I only chose to have faith that he exists. I don't know what he wants but I do what I "think" to the best of my knowledge.

remember the tales of Zeus? that had relationship with men. they were disrespected after all. men fought against god's. well, that's what legend says.

logic has no end. but faith puts a stop to the foolishness of logic.

AngelsAndStars:
i prayed to God that i needed money to buy things so i can manage before alawi comes(market day is every 4 days).. while listening to the preaching i prayed in me, reminded God how awful those religious guys behaved. i prayed for just 200 naira. cos i had no choice. all corpers were broke or had last card. no one to turn to. i practically turned to a God i doubted at that time

i left the premises and immediately outside the gate i picked up 200naira. it was glorious. i had other ingredients and garri so i used it to prepare soup which lasted till alawi came. coincidence? i didnt think so, i believed and it worked for me. my God worked for me.

Either: (1) God made someone drop his hard-earned money on the ground, so you could steal it. (2) You got lucky at someone else's expense.