AngelsAndStars:
Lolz. you say it is religion that makes man believe in God. OK then what made people believe the first religion on earth? you see you are wrong?

Seun:

Either: (1) God made someone drop his hard-earned money on the ground, so you could steal it. (2) You got lucky at someone else's expense.

Seun:

Either: (1) God made someone drop his hard-earned money on the ground, so you could steal it. (2) You got lucky at someone else's expense.

Seun:

The evidence suggests that the complex DNA in our bodies developed from very simple DNA in ancient microscopic organisms through the process of evolution. How the first simple living organism with DNA came to be is not yet fully understood, but evolution explains how the complex DNA came to be. DNA is not logically tight, like good computer code. It's full of redundancies, errors, large portions which are completely unneeded by the current organism but still lurking there, etc. If DNA was designed by a programmer, he/she must have been really sloppy or very drunk.

EyeHateGod:

When you Personify Nature you Create God.. Primitive men did this most of the time.

EyeHateGod:
And the God that did it must be? YAHWEH?

AngelsAndStars:
Lmao nawa ooh. everybody cherry picks na. why na my own come be case here now? haba. pastors are quick to say thou shall not use idol or thou shall not kill(even when old testaments says so) but will still go to Malachi and preach tithe. thats cherry picking na. everyone picks the one that does favour them, or the one that makes them comfortable.

besides, atheism is what made me almost ran mad oh, because i then saw no meaning in living.

EyeHateGod:

And the God that did it must be? YAHWEH?

4everGod:
Can you claim a code that allegedly evolved would somehow have a 0.000000009 error rate? This means its as accurate as hitting the bullseye with your eyes closed 1 billion times in quick succession.

Anas09:

What. You made the claim, you are to present verifiable proofs that it did.

Why get bored? Your thread is still very young.

How did you know your IQ increased? You said because you were discussing philosophy to the point that folks thought you studied philosophy.

The question now came, "Did Philosophy increase your lQ? Yes or No.

If yes, did the IQ remian within the confines of Philosophy or did it also show in the way you scaled other heights in your academic Endeavours?


What happened to the IQ after you left atheism, did it dropped?

Do you still have the high level lQ now that you are a Diest?

AngelsAndStars:
i think you failed to read my posts. get lost please

AngelsAndStars:
so we were created(against our will) tagged with original sin(we didn't commit) and coerced with hell fire's punishment in order to pay for the sin? very logical I must say.

what's the need of all these? why not create us perfect and put us in heaven so we can sing praises all eternity? why give people a world of puzzle? a world where we will have to figure out whatsup with little or no evidence? a world where we are limited in knowledge?

look, I don't want to go down that lane with you. you are now trying to talk your religion to me but sorry I would rather not discuss that.

thanks anyway.

Ranchhoddas:
I don't think his IQ increased. What I believed he meant was that he became more knowledgable. When one dares to peer outside the confines of his religion, he discovers that there is a whole ocean of information that he has not been looking at and he then goes on a quest to seek out this knowledge. I believe this is what happened to the guy and he's just misrepresenting it, albeit innocently as IQ increment.

AngelsAndStars:
perhaps they were wiser . in ignorance sometimes there is wisdom. the wisdom of man is worse than the foolishness of God (the Bible)...

who is this God? I do not know. am just chilling

AngelsAndStars:
thank you. I take that as my mistake

4everGod:



I am not trying to talk Religion with you. I am not Religious myself. I have a relationship with God. The difference between you and me is that I believe by Faith EVERYTHING the Bible says God is and has done and I believe there is a purpose to all that He did and He did not just do it based on jealousy or taking sides and that Purpose was revealed in Jesus in the New Testament.

Like i said earlier i also saw us as some experiement by some being somewhere whom we could not see but that was when i was being extremely logical and trust me i saw no value in people too at that point. If i saw a lady i was not attracted to her as all i would see would be flesh covering bones. Nothing attracted me...nothing moved me but when i got delivered from that by accepting Christ everything took on a new light.

Lets keep this discussion going shall we

jonbellion:
Yeah OP you are diest
Well deism an intellectually honest opinion as well
I don't like being identified as an atheist because that's a very strong claim to make to say you are sure there is no God
I'm agnostic
But unfortunately the Disciples In Christ Kingdom(DICK) Crew in this forum would never know the diffence

EyeHateGod:

Of course they where that's if you want to call Nature God... "God" means different thing to different people, depending on how you see it God might be a Being with Go o d ness in him while a being with evil in him might be regarded as the D evil

4everGod:


Ranchhoddas actually understands you because he is just like you. Always busy with his mind. But He also believes in God and is also on a chill mode like you

AngelsAndStars:
yes. everyone does that. just as pastors jump other books and go quote Malachi just to get tithe money.

AngelsAndStars:
ofcos you are right. if nature can be so intelligent enough to create us and every other thing then of cos that is God. when I pray I channel my prayer straight to "the creator" I block all religious description of the creator and just perceive him\it in pure concept. that's what am comfortable with.

Urahara2:


They quote Malachi to get tithe , quote Leviticus yo advocate for homophobia , but when u quote verses explicitly ordering for the massacre of unbelievers , they then say its in the old testament

EyeHateGod:

And what makes you think that a God gives a fvck about your prayers? And if it did they won't be so much suffering in the world or don't you think so?

AngelsAndStars:
OK.

people will get delivered by anything as long as they have faith. faith is not for religious people alone. I stopped using drugs when I began to have faith that I'll heal without drugs and to this day I don't take drugs for malaria and other similar sickness and it works. that's faith at work there. The Bible is a great book, a book from God but trust me you can't follow every instructions in it. you just can't. people pick select from it. me2 I do. I meditate the buddha style too. like I said, I also pray through Christ too. I believe there are many parts to God. that's just it.

EyeHateGod:

Carnal minds can't understand..

Urahara2:


They quote Malachi to get tithe , quote Leviticus yo advocate for homophobia , but when u quote verses explicitly ordering for the massacre of unbelievers , they then say its in the old testament

AngelsAndStars:
I don't know if he gives a fvck, I just pray. I work and pray, and I experience him giving a fvck. well, that's how I see it. about the suffering that's a whole new chapter

AngelsAndStars:
Lolz people who were naked(practically dumb) were given instructions . its like giving instructions to a kid less that 6 months old.

Seun:

The error rate you quoted isn't the one I'm talking about, while the analogy you offered is extremely poor.

Urahara2:


The ways of god are not the ways of man.

U don't understand because u dont have the holy spirit

EyeHateGod:

Why do you work and and Pray? Is it that you don't trust your works?