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Re: Why Christians Should Reject The Bill For A Christian Court In Nigeria by suyamasta(m): 1:10pm On Dec 07, 2016
Thank you Op we dont need any Christian or Muslim court, Religion is a personal thing never to be forced on the people!
Re: Why Christians Should Reject The Bill For A Christian Court In Nigeria by jidxin(m): 1:10pm On Dec 07, 2016
ItsawrapOutfit:
Are pastors the judge or the regular LLB judges?
its going to be like a customary court....not exclusively 4 BL judges...but just like the khadis of sharia crt nd customary crt a person learned in biblical doctrines a renowned author a theologian pasrors etc will be qualified
Re: Why Christians Should Reject The Bill For A Christian Court In Nigeria by Ranchhoddas: 1:15pm On Dec 07, 2016
jidxin:
I still. dont understand wat u guys refers to as zoo.... are you animalshuh?
Na only animals dey for zoo?
Re: Why Christians Should Reject The Bill For A Christian Court In Nigeria by victorazy(m): 1:16pm On Dec 07, 2016
alBHAGDADI:
Such disputes are already being settled in churches and by the elders. Why set up a court?
The people that brought Christianity here, do they have such court in their own country?

The Lord's people are the elders of the church. The people that will be appointed judges in the proposed Christian courts will be under the jurisdiction of the Government. So, they no longer belong to Christ, but only paying lips service.
They are not from other faith but christians, no be so?
Ofcus everything revolves round government to ensure sanity and orderliness in the society.
Re: Why Christians Should Reject The Bill For A Christian Court In Nigeria by sholla20(m): 1:16pm On Dec 07, 2016
the man pushing the bill in the house is got some hidden unscrupulous agenda, and he knows the agenda won't sail unless he back it up with some elements of truth. be rest assured that once the bill is passed, sharia will surely scale too,and this won't be good at all. By the way,among all the burdensome issues we have now, how can a sane person thinks this is the right one to talk about now. the man needs to be checked.
Re: Why Christians Should Reject The Bill For A Christian Court In Nigeria by udumosam23(m): 1:19pm On Dec 07, 2016
mindfreaks:
@op you are an arrogant illitrates and ignorant writer, go and study Islamic shari'a court system and learn how other faith are treated educatively before making false assertion.... read and study for wisdom don't just write rubish..
Op is right, you might be educated but definitely not amongst the faithfuls. He's looking at it from a spiritual angle, you're looking at it from a canal perspective.

A court for Christians is a mockery to our believe. Its in contradiction of everything we stand for as Christians.

We should rather advocate that religious courts shouldn't be recognized. There should be Christian and Muslim lawyers operating in the regular courts defending their clients according to their religion, yet upholding the law as provided by the constitution.

That to me is common sense.
Re: Why Christians Should Reject The Bill For A Christian Court In Nigeria by jidxin(m): 1:22pm On Dec 07, 2016
Ranchhoddas:
Na only animals dey for zoo?
yes bros
Re: Why Christians Should Reject The Bill For A Christian Court In Nigeria by alBHAGDADI(op): 1:22pm On Dec 07, 2016
victorazy:
Oga sorry o! But I don't think ur a christian because u quote Bible verses u don't really know the meaning or interpretation (no offense)
Stop this argument because is diminishing ur image and personality. Christians needs the court and using the God's law in the bible as moral standard not as ordinary law as u tamed or understood it.
What us God's law in the Bible? Is it the mosaic law which says an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth, stone prostitutes and fornicators, kill stubborn children etc? Is that what you want them to follow? Below is how Christ ordered us.

Mathew 5:38-48

38 “You have heard that it was said, ‘AN EYE FOR AN EYE, AND A TOOTH FOR A TOOTH.’ 39 “But I say to you, do not resist an evil person; but whoever slaps you on your right cheek, turn the other to him also. 40 “If anyone wants to sue you and take your shirt, let him have your coat also. 41 “Whoever forces you to go one mile, go with him two.
42 “Give to him who asks of you, and do not turn away from him who wants to borrow from you.
43 “You have heard that it was said, ‘YOU
SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR and hate your enemy.’ 44 “But I say to you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, 45 so that you may be sons of your Father who is in heaven; for He causes His sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. 46 “For if you love those who love you, what reward do you have? Do not even the tax collectors do the same? 47 “If you greet only your brothers, what more are you doing than others? Do not even the Gentiles do the same? 48 “Therefore you are to be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect.
Re: Why Christians Should Reject The Bill For A Christian Court In Nigeria by alBHAGDADI(op): 1:25pm On Dec 07, 2016
victorazy:
They are not from other faith but christians, no be so?
Ofcus everything revolves round government to ensure sanity and orderliness in the society.
You do t get the point. We already have elders in church doing such duties. Setting up a Christian court goes against those elders as supported by the Bible. It goes against the Bible cos it can't be found in it a single verse that supports it.
Re: Why Christians Should Reject The Bill For A Christian Court In Nigeria by Ranchhoddas: 1:25pm On Dec 07, 2016
Really. You don go zoo before?
jidxin:
yes bros
Re: Why Christians Should Reject The Bill For A Christian Court In Nigeria by jidxin(m): 1:27pm On Dec 07, 2016
Ranchhoddas:
Really. You don go zoo before?
it is named zoo because we can find animals inside...or ve u seen a zoo without ar least 1 animal?
Re: Why Christians Should Reject The Bill For A Christian Court In Nigeria by victorazy(m): 1:28pm On Dec 07, 2016
alBHAGDADI:
What us God's law in the Bible? Is it the mosaic law which says an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth, stone prostitutes and fornicators, kill stubborn children etc? Is that what you want them to follow? Below is how Christ ordered us.

Mathew 5:38-48

38 “You have heard that it was said, ‘AN EYE FOR AN EYE, AND A TOOTH FOR A TOOTH.’ 39 “But I say to you, do not resist an evil person; but whoever slaps you on your right cheek, turn the other to him also. 40 “If anyone wants to sue you and take your shirt, let him have your coat also. 41 “Whoever forces you to go one mile, go with him two.
42 “Give to him who asks of you, and do not turn away from him who wants to borrow from you.
43 “You have heard that it was said, ‘YOU
SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR and hate your enemy.’ 44 “But I say to you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, 45 so that you may be sons of your Father who is in heaven; for He causes His sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. 46 “For if you love those who love you, what reward do you have? Do not even the tax collectors do the same? 47 “If you greet only your brothers, what more are you doing than others? Do not even the Gentiles do the same? 48 “Therefore you are to be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect.
Sorry sir, but is obvious u don't even know "the law of God" the bible itself is the book of law. Just pray to God He will open ur eyes to see them not these Moses laws ur quoting her.
Re: Why Christians Should Reject The Bill For A Christian Court In Nigeria by alBHAGDADI(op): 1:29pm On Dec 07, 2016
jidxin:
its going to be like a customary court....not exclusively 4 BL judges...but just like the khadis of sharia crt nd customary crt a person learned in biblical doctrines a renowned author a theologian pasrors etc will be qualified
You used the words "Just like the Sharia courts".

Is Christianity Now modelling itself according to Islam? So long the Bible doesn't support such court, whatever we do will be stupid and unchristian-like. It will spell our doom.
Re: Why Christians Should Reject The Bill For A Christian Court In Nigeria by karmak(f): 1:30pm On Dec 07, 2016
alBHAGDADI:
Why Christians should reject the bill for a Christian court in Nigeria

1. It is Satan's approach

Christians setting up a court for themselves is equivalent to dumping God's provided way of doing things and adopting Satan's approach. God has made it clear that we should settle our disputes in the church and it should be done by the elders.

1 Corinthians 1:6
If any of you has a dispute with another, do you dare to take it before the ungodly for judgment instead of before the Lord's people?

2. Its result won't help christianity

The result of Nigeria having a Christian court won't help the christian course it might pose to want to help. It's the same way Christian churches build universities that are of no help to Christianity but a business venture that the poor cannot partake in. We've all seen the huge mistake of Christian churches owning schools. The call for a Christian court, by a few, is almost like calling for Christians to have their own Armed Forces. Christianity does not operate like the world does.

3. We never clamoured for it

I can't seem to see where Christians clamoured for a Christian court, the equivalent of a Muslim Sharia court. Then why is a certain house of representative, Hon. Gyang Dung, pushing this bill in the National Assembly? Have we told him that we are fed up of God's own approach to doing things and now want to set up our own worldly way

The
first thing I thought about when I first saw the post

5. The court will be useless in Nigeria

It will be useless in the South because true Christians are ordered to forgive each other and not strive against each other. This will make the courts have less cases to settle. What about in the North? We are already seeing churches getting burnt in the North. Such courts will hold no value over there cos the illiterate Northerners won't mind discarding whatever judgment it issues as long as it doesn't favour their fellow Muslim. But if their Sharia court should have access to the south, a northerner based in the south will prefer to take a case against a Christian to Sharia courts instead of a secular court. The sad part is that the case will go through proceedings without interference, unlike in the north where an angry illiterate mob can disrupt proceedings of a Christian court just as we see them burn churches who worship on Fridays.

6. Our clamour is for the abolishment of religious courts

This is what Hon Gyang Dung should be pushing in the National Assembly. The current Sharia courts do not favour people of other religion when they are dragged to it. This could be attributed to a word in their Quran which says Muslims are to be kind with one another but harsh or severe to the unbelievers.

Quran 48:29
Mohammed is the messenger of Allah and those with him are HARSH against the DISBELIEVERS but MERCIFUL among THEMSELVES.

But I can assure you that Muslims will get fair justice if dragged to the proposed Christian court, cos Christians are God's children who should be like God who show no partiality.

English Standard Version
Romans 2:11
"For God shows no partiality."


Every Christian should rise up against this bill cos it doesn't represent Christianity but a dark force with an aim of luring Christians away from their God provided standard.
Re: Why Christians Should Reject The Bill For A Christian Court In Nigeria by Ranchhoddas: 1:30pm On Dec 07, 2016
Are there no animals around you? Abi na until dem begin make animal sounds before you recognize animal behaviour?
jidxin:
it is named zoo because we can find animals inside...or ve u seen a zoo without ar least 1 animal?
Re: Why Christians Should Reject The Bill For A Christian Court In Nigeria by alBHAGDADI(op): 1:32pm On Dec 07, 2016
victorazy:
Sorry sir, but is obvious u don't even know "the law of God" the bible itself is the book of law. Just pray to God He will open ur eyes to see them not these Moses laws ur quoting her.
The verses I quoted tells us to FORGIVE each other, not drag each other to a court. That is the law of God under the new testament of grace. But the old testament of mosaic law allowed people to drag themselves to a court.


.We are no longer under the mosaic law.
Re: Why Christians Should Reject The Bill For A Christian Court In Nigeria by victorazy(m): 1:33pm On Dec 07, 2016
alBHAGDADI:
You do t get the point. We already have elders in church doing such duties. Setting up a Christian court goes against those elders as supported by the Bible. It goes against the Bible cos it can't be found in it a single verse that supports it.
There is no Elders' forum or anything like that again I know in christiandom, what we have now is individual court (pastor) who delivers judgements based on personal view, paspective or personal assumption and this sometimes has instigated chaos in verious homes. We need proper Christian court.
Re: Why Christians Should Reject The Bill For A Christian Court In Nigeria by karmak(f): 1:34pm On Dec 07, 2016
Point number four just hit the nail on the head
Re: Why Christians Should Reject The Bill For A Christian Court In Nigeria by Nobody: 1:35pm On Dec 07, 2016
Pidgin2:
We need Christian court, we do 100% any attempt to stop it is satanic.
you will cry wolf and tiger when Muslims pounce on that to enforce sharia law all over the country and there would be no one save you then..

Let bigotry cloud your thinking you hear. Kwantinue
Re: Why Christians Should Reject The Bill For A Christian Court In Nigeria by jidxin(m): 1:36pm On Dec 07, 2016
Ranchhoddas:
Are there no animals around you? Abi na until dem begin make animal sounds before you recognize animal behaviour?
I think u re a chimp....obviously u re nd u excaped frm d real zoo grin
Ranchhoddas:
Are there no animals around you? Abi na until dem begin make animal sounds before you recognize animal behaviour?
I think u re a chimp....obviously u re nd u excaped frm d real zoo grin
Re: Why Christians Should Reject The Bill For A Christian Court In Nigeria by Nobody: 1:36pm On Dec 07, 2016
Chylo:
By the constitution, Christians CANNOT be tried under sharia law. Let me know if you have heard of such a case.
Haven't you heard of Christian sentenced to death for blasphemy in a Sharia Court?
Re: Why Christians Should Reject The Bill For A Christian Court In Nigeria by alBHAGDADI(op): 1:38pm On Dec 07, 2016
victorazy:
There is no Elders' forum or anything like that again I know in christiandom, what we have now is individual court (pastor) who delivers judgements based on personal view, paspective or personal assumption and this sometimes has instigated chaos in verious homes. We need proper Christian court.
It is not about what you need, but about what the Bible says. In this case, the Bible has give. the church elders the authority to attend to such matters.

Who are the church elders? They include pastors, prophets, evangelists, ministers etc. So, if your pastor is deciding o. such issues in your church, then he is right cos he hasn't gone against the tenets of Christianity and the bible.
Re: Why Christians Should Reject The Bill For A Christian Court In Nigeria by victorazy(m): 1:41pm On Dec 07, 2016
alBHAGDADI:
The verses I quoted tells us to FORGIVE each other, not drag each other to a court. That is the law of God under the new testament of grace. But the old testament of mosaic law allowed people to drag themselves to a court.


.We are no longer under the mosaic law.
Now your getting me.
This is why we need the court to interprete the law to others and that's what the court is there to do, to set standard based on this your point not from the parish pastor's ideology.
Re: Why Christians Should Reject The Bill For A Christian Court In Nigeria by fineyemi(m): 1:42pm On Dec 07, 2016
Kenmatt:
Why do most of you beg that your post should be moved to a front page? When a post is wealthy and a front page worthy, you don't need to plead with any mod to shift it to a front page.
The mod do sleep sometimes
Re: Why Christians Should Reject The Bill For A Christian Court In Nigeria by victorazy(m): 1:43pm On Dec 07, 2016
alBHAGDADI:
It is not about what you need, but about what the Bible says. In this case, the Bible has give. the church elders the authority to attend to such matters.

Who are the church elders? They include pastors, prophets, evangelists, ministers etc. So, if your pastor is deciding o. such issues in your church, then he is right cos he hasn't gone against the tenets of Christianity and the bible.
I rest my case!
Re: Why Christians Should Reject The Bill For A Christian Court In Nigeria by alBHAGDADI(op): 1:48pm On Dec 07, 2016
victorazy:
Now your getting me.
This is why we need the court to interprete the law to others and that's what the court is there to do, to set standard based on this your point not from the parish pastor's ideology.
The fact that the Bible doesn't prescribe such is a good reason not to do it.

Do you know the kind of confusion such court will face on a daily basis? How do you expect all of the different judges to put heads together when they can't eve. share the same denomination? Do you think the cathokics can work with the Jehovah's witnesses? What about Anglican and Catholic? RCCG and Christ Embassy?

There is confusion in the church already. Let's not add to it by going away from the Bible.
Re: Why Christians Should Reject The Bill For A Christian Court In Nigeria by Ranchhoddas: 1:49pm On Dec 07, 2016
jidxin:
I think u re a chimp....obviously u re nd u excaped frm d real zoo grin I think u re a chimp....obviously u re nd u excaped frm d real zoo grin
Yes you are right. But a chimp is smarter than an orang-utan.
Re: Why Christians Should Reject The Bill For A Christian Court In Nigeria by Nobody: 1:52pm On Dec 07, 2016
alBHAGDADI:
The verses I quoted tells us to FORGIVE each other, not drag each other to a court. That is the law of God under the new testament of grace. But the old testament of mosaic law allowed people to drag themselves to a court.


.We are no longer under the mosaic law.
If you cheat me, I will take you to court whether you are Christian or not, this doesn't mean I don't forgive you rather it means I want to ensure that you are punished so that you do not repeat it again remember sin thrives when evil goes unpunished .

Although I will feel much better taking a Christian to a Christian court. If I steal 10 million from you, will you just report me to your pastor and let me go? What if I don't belong to your denomination and won't agree to see your pastor?

Also there are Christians like you who will take advantage of your meekness and benevolence for example he steals your three million naira and you forgive him because he is a christian but remember you ought to forgive him 70 times seven times. Therefore he continues stealing from you and you continue forgiving until you have nothing left for him to steal. People can be wicked like that so saying you will forgive him continuously in such a case may be good but you need to make him stop. So taking him to a court where spiritually minded people will judge the case according to biblical and standards is good.

Your spiritual understanding of the new testament is limited therefore you do not understand that God has indeed come to fulfill the old testament laws. What is your spiritual discernment of the punishment for a thief in the new testament? I'm sure you will skip the part where Paul says "He who doesn't work should not eat" all you think of is forgiveness. God gives us the Holy spirit and provides us with peace so that we make proper judgements.

Forget mosaic laws, those chosen to precide over our Christian courts will be men and women of God, known for their wisdom and service to God. If you don't like it I'm sorry but you may have to live with it
Re: Why Christians Should Reject The Bill For A Christian Court In Nigeria by dominion001(m): 1:53pm On Dec 07, 2016
Pidgin2:
We need Christian court, we do 100% any attempt to stop it is satanic.
with ur comment i am sure u are not a (true) Christian.
Re: Why Christians Should Reject The Bill For A Christian Court In Nigeria by Maser: 1:54pm On Dec 07, 2016
The idea of a Christian court is a trap being set for Christians by Muslims !
If Christians foolishly accept it, Muslims will use it as a leeway to further proliferate Sharia and other hitherto caged Islamic agenda as the principles of secularism would have been broken using Christians as tools. That's probably why this bill is being hastened
Re: Why Christians Should Reject The Bill For A Christian Court In Nigeria by jidxin(m): 1:54pm On Dec 07, 2016
Ranchhoddas:
Yes you are right. But a chimp is smarter than an orang-utan.
but still an animal
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