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Re: Why Do Atheists Shift The Burden Of Proof? by felixomor: 6:17pm On Dec 17, 2016
dalaman:


The Koran does not affirm the Gospel of Jesus. According to the Koran Jesus is not the son of God. He was not crucified and he isn't coming back to judge anybody. He is only coming back to kill pigs and kill the Dajal.

The existence of many Gods and the pattern all shows that God/s are man made ideas. What was the name of the God your ancestors were worshipping 3000 years ago? Do you even know it's name? What about the name of the God the Hindus are worshipping today? Is there God real or not? Over a billion people believe in the Hindu God Brahma. Did they invent bit or is it real just like yours?

Verse 10:94; so if you are in doubt, [O Muhammad], about that which We have revealed to you, then ask those who have been reading the Scripture before you. The truth has certainly come to you from your Lord, so never be among the doubters.

Who was the koran referring to there?

I can see u have jumped ship to hinduism....
Lol.
Your confusion is a lot.
Koran could not save you abi?

All in attempt to keep jumping up and down not to provide your backup for your claims.

I just pity.

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Re: Why Do Atheists Shift The Burden Of Proof? by MrPresident1: 6:18pm On Dec 17, 2016
Pastafarian:


in my experience discussing with Christians, they simply put a story as allegory or literary based on whims

I even challenged one Mr President and he kept saying "understanding" is a gift that not everyone was given, I then told him to talk to the holy spirit so that he can reveal the allegorical and literal parts to him, he then kept talking of "levels" saying not all Christians are on the same level

I then killed him and buried him by asking if he means he's levels above kingebuka or levels below him; he then copped out by saying I should keep living till god judges me

could the final judgement and hell fire be an "allegory"?

see how empty they are, they just make up stuff as they go

Mere mortal like you wants to understand the code of the gods, my guy you go jus blow gboaaa grin.

Bible na angels write am o, nor be for mere mortals. The part for mere mortals like you are those parts on do not steal, do not tell lies etc, bit the real meat, the real koko? My guy I repeat if you try am you go explode gboaa...and you're over grin

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Re: Why Do Atheists Shift The Burden Of Proof? by Nobody: 6:20pm On Dec 17, 2016
KingEbukasBlog:


Mister , I don't have time for this shallow thinking . We have digressed , let's revert to the OP
grin grin grin
E don RUN
grin

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Re: Why Do Atheists Shift The Burden Of Proof? by MrPresident1: 6:20pm On Dec 17, 2016
jonbellion:
if you take just one of the stories in the bible as an allegory everything crumbles
That's why MrPresident1 is the way he is

99% of Bible is in coded figurative language. And the Book is in layers, nor be ordinary book o, na like school, you have classes, primary one to primary six, na so Bible be too, layers and levels of understanding dey there grin
Re: Why Do Atheists Shift The Burden Of Proof? by randomperson: 6:23pm On Dec 17, 2016
felixomor:


Verse 10:94; so if you are in doubt, [O Muhammad], about that which We have revealed to you, then ask those who have been reading the Scripture before you. The truth has certainly come to you from your Lord, so never be among the doubters.

Who was the koran referring to there?

I can see u have jumped ship to hinduism....
Lol.
Your confusion is a lot.
Koran could not save you abi?

All in attempt to keep jumping up and down not to provide your backup for your claims.

I just pity.


The basis of Christianity is that Jesus is the son of God, the savior of the world and the coming king of the world. . that's contrary to the basis of Islam... And they are mutually incompatible...
And if u are brandishing a verse of the Quran as the truth, then u can't turn around and say the other verses are not true... That will be double standard .. Again

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Re: Why Do Atheists Shift The Burden Of Proof? by felixomor: 6:25pm On Dec 17, 2016
randomperson:

The basis of Christianity is that Jesus is the son of God, the savior of the world and the coming king of the world. . that's contrary to the basis of Islam... And they are mutually incompatible...
And if u are brandishing a verse of the Quran as the truth, then u can't turn around and say the other verses are not true... That will be double standard .. Again

Quiet.
Dont quote me out of context.
Follow our conversation and how I arrived at that.

Besides, who told you pieces of truth cant be corrupted?

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Re: Why Do Atheists Shift The Burden Of Proof? by Pastafarian: 6:28pm On Dec 17, 2016
MrPresident1:

Mere mortal like you wants to understand the code of the gods, my guy you go jus blow gboaaa grin.
Bible na angels write am o, nor be for mere mortals. The part for mere mortals like you are those parts on do not steal, do not tell lies etc, bit the real meat, the real koko? My guy I repeat of you try am you go explode gboaa...and you're over grin

angels wrote that your god made the sun stop rotating round the earth so that Joshua can kill more people

angels wrote two totally different orders of creation in the first 2 chapters of that book

angels wrote 3 different last words of Jesus Christ

your heads are already exploding

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Re: Why Do Atheists Shift The Burden Of Proof? by randomperson: 6:31pm On Dec 17, 2016
felixomor:


Quiet.
Dont quote me out of context.
Follow our conversation and how I arrived at that.

Besides, who told you pieces of truth cant be corrupted?
Am not quoting you out of context...
And pieces of truth can be corrupted?? Two questions:
1. How do u know it's that part u quoted that it's not corrupted?? Is it because it supposedly agrees with your beliefs?
2. And how do you know the bible is not corrupted?
Re: Why Do Atheists Shift The Burden Of Proof? by MrPresident1: 6:34pm On Dec 17, 2016
Pastafarian:


angels wrote that your god made the sun stop rotating round the earth so that Joshua can kill more people

angels wrote two totally different orders of creation in the first 2 chapters of that book

angels wrote 3 different last words of Jesus Christ

your heads are already exploding

They are all codes that only initiates can understand grin. Just because the Bible is common and anybody can buy it anywhere at anytime does not mean its contents is available to everyone.

If for example someone mass produces the Ifa corpus, does it mean that by purchasing and reading the book of Ifa I will automatically understand Ifa?

Chairman you nor go wan blow na grin
Re: Why Do Atheists Shift The Burden Of Proof? by felixomor: 6:38pm On Dec 17, 2016
randomperson:

Am not quoting you out of context...
And pieces of truth can be corrupted?? Two questions:
1. How do u know it's that part u quoted that it's not corrupted?? Is it because it supposedly agrees with your beliefs?
2. And how do you know the bible is not corrupted?

"Am not quoting you out of context"....

What does it mean to quote somebody out of context?
Do you know.
because it seems you dont read what u type.
Re: Why Do Atheists Shift The Burden Of Proof? by Seun(m): 6:39pm On Dec 17, 2016
PDBonline:
Have you seen an atheist proof that indeed God does not exist?
No, but that's because we don't need to prove it. Atheism is simply the lack of belief in any God. But you probably know this already.

What I see is arguing against the believe of others not for there own bold assertions.
Yes, this is what we do. We think it is sensible to withhold belief in anything until there is some objective evidence that the thing exists.

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Re: Why Do Atheists Shift The Burden Of Proof? by felixomor: 6:40pm On Dec 17, 2016
Seun:

No, but that's because we don't need to prove it. Atheism is simply the lack of belief in any God. But you probably know this already.


Yes, this is what we do. We think it is sensible to withhold belief in anything until there is some objective evidence that the thing exists.

Do you believe afterlife exists?
Re: Why Do Atheists Shift The Burden Of Proof? by damogul: 6:41pm On Dec 17, 2016
dalaman:


The bible does not say whale. The bible says fish. Even if it is a whale. You'll have to tell me.if you were there when he survived inside the whale for 3 days and explain to me how a person can survive inside a whale for 3 days. We will take you to the ocean, allow a whale to swallow yu and see if you will survive for 3 days.

This is how you see how illogical atheists can be. You say something is ridiculous without research or proof.

Ichthyologists have shown that whales have enough air in them to keep living things alive for extended periods expecially since they do not breathe through water and evidence has shown whales swallowing fish bigger than man such as great white sharks and smaller whales. They also said the digestive enzymes in a whale only kick in when that which was swallowed is dead but as long as its alive then digestion cannot commence.


So is the Jonah story looking illogical?
Re: Why Do Atheists Shift The Burden Of Proof? by dalaman: 6:41pm On Dec 17, 2016
felixomor:


Verse 10:94; so if you are in doubt, [O Muhammad], about that which We have revealed to you, then ask those who have been reading the Scripture before you. The truth has certainly come to you from your Lord, so never be among the doubters.

Who was the koran referring to there?

I can see u have jumped ship to hinduism....
Lol.
Your confusion is a lot.
Koran could not save you abi?

All in attempt to keep jumping up and down not to provide your backup for your claims.

I just pity.



The Koran says clearly that Jesus is not the son of God and he wasn't crucified. What else are you blabbing about. Koran save me from what? Neither the bible nor the Koran can save me from anything. I don't need any saving. I just asked you a simple question. How did the Hindu religion come about?
Re: Why Do Atheists Shift The Burden Of Proof? by felixomor: 6:44pm On Dec 17, 2016
dalaman:


The Koran says clearly that Jesus is not the son of God and he wasn't crucified. What else are you blabbing about. Koran save me from what? Neither the bible nor the Koran can save me from anything. I don't need any saving. I just asked you a simple question. How did the Hindu religion come about?

I just showed u a koran verse and u mentioned me without touching the verse.

Am I surprised again?
No.
Its what u have been doing since morning.
Its expected for your level.
Re: Why Do Atheists Shift The Burden Of Proof? by dalaman: 6:45pm On Dec 17, 2016
damogul:


This is how you see how illogical atheists can be. You say something is ridiculous without research or proof.

Ichthyologists have shown that whales have enough air in them to keep living things alive for extended people expecially since they do not breathe through water and evidence has shown whales swallowing fish bigger than man such as great white sharks and smaller whales. They also said the digestive enzymes in a whale only kick in when that which was swallowed is dead but as long as its alive then digestion cannot commence.


So is the Jonah story looking illogical?

Jonah was swallowed by a fish according to the bible. No whale was mentioned there. A whale is NOT a fish.
Re: Why Do Atheists Shift The Burden Of Proof? by felixomor: 6:47pm On Dec 17, 2016
dalaman:


Jonah was swallowed by a fish according to the bible. No whale was mentioned there. A whale is NOT a fish.

A whale is not a fish until it was scientifically classified so.
An thats recent compared to when the bible was written.

I dont expect your intelligence to reach there.
Re: Why Do Atheists Shift The Burden Of Proof? by dalaman: 6:52pm On Dec 17, 2016
felixomor:


I just showed u a koran verse and u mentioned me without touching the verse.

Am I surprised again?
No.
Its what u have been doing since morning.
Its expected for your level.

The verse did not say anything about Jesus. His name wasn't mentioned in the verse so what exactly are you on about? The Koran in very specific places states that Jesus is not the son of God and he wasn't crucified.
Re: Why Do Atheists Shift The Burden Of Proof? by damogul: 6:54pm On Dec 17, 2016
The thread has been so derailed its crazy.

OP asked for something as simple as proof of NO GOD from the atheists or how they arrived at that conclusion and they have been offered to provide proof from NATURE, SCIENCE, SELF, etc but not one single one has been able to do this. This is my conclusion;


I deduce that a lot of these atheists actually have no reason why they say God does not exist besides emotions, anger, denial or hatred for God. Otherwise they would have offered tangible proof in defense of their NO GOD idea but they have been unable to do so.

How hard can proof of NO GOD be? Some have come here to say you cannot prove a negative but you can prove there is no electricity (which is a negative) You can prove there is no water (which is a negative) You can prove there is no air (which is a negative) etc


They create defenses just to justify their inability to provide proof of their position and this is pathetic.

Some have said they need proof of God yet they still went ahead to say God does not exist. If you say you desire proof but still declare God nonexistent is that not idiocy? Have you gone through all the myriads of proof available daily worldwide to jump to this conclusion?


This thread is clear proof of how irrational atheism is and all it represents. Its shallow, irrational and driven by emotional tantrums as all i have been seeing has been questions like;

If God is good why do we have worms that can eat human eyes...as if there is a pandemic of such


which clearly shows their illogical reasoning.

God bless you OP for this thread as we continue exposing their mental limitations and delusions.
Re: Why Do Atheists Shift The Burden Of Proof? by felixomor: 6:55pm On Dec 17, 2016
dalaman:


The verse did not say anything about Jesus. His name wasn't mentioned in the verse so what exactly are you on about? The Koran in very specific places states that Jesus is not the son of God and he wasn't crucified.

Which scriptures was it talking about?
Even muslims know this.
You can only pretend for a short time.
Re: Why Do Atheists Shift The Burden Of Proof? by Seun(m): 6:57pm On Dec 17, 2016
felixomor:
Do you believe afterlife exists?
No I don't. I have not come across any evidence that any higher animal's consciousness can persist after the death of its brain cells. Have you?
Re: Why Do Atheists Shift The Burden Of Proof? by damogul: 6:58pm On Dec 17, 2016
dalaman:


Jonah was swallowed by a fish according to the bible. No whale was mentioned there. A whale is NOT a fish.

Matthew 12:40:

For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth. (KJV)


Stop lying!
Re: Why Do Atheists Shift The Burden Of Proof? by randomperson: 6:58pm On Dec 17, 2016
damogul:
The thread has been so derailed its crazy.

OP asked for something as simple as proof of NO GOD from the atheists or how they arrived at that conclusion and they have been offered to provide proof from NATURE, SCIENCE, SELF, etc but not one single one has been able to do this. This is my conclusion;


I deduce that a lot of these atheists actually have no reason why they say God does not exist besides emotions, anger, denial or hatred for God. Otherwise they would have offered tangible proof in defense of their NO GOD idea but they have been unable to do so.

How hard can proof of NO GOD be? Some have come here to say you cannot prove a negative but you can prove there is no electricity (which is a negative) You can prove there is no water (which is a negative) You can prove there is no air (which is a negative) etc


They create defenses just to justify their inability to provide proof of their position and this is pathetic.

Some have said they need proof of God yet they still went ahead to say God does not exist. If you say you desire proof but still declare God nonexistent is that not idiocy? Have you gone through all the myriads of proof available daily worldwide to jump to this conclusion?


This thread is clear proof of how irrational atheism is and all it represents. Its shallow, irrational and driven by emotional tantrums as all i have been seeing has been questions like;

If God is good why do we have worms that can eat human eyes...as if there is a pandemic of such


which clearly shows their illogical reasoning.

God bless you OP for this thread as we continue exposing their mental limitations and delusions.
This long epistle just for what.. U are apparently angry about something...
Besides, the reference to the eye eating worm was never addressed or your only response is that it's not a pandemic??
Re: Why Do Atheists Shift The Burden Of Proof? by felixomor: 6:59pm On Dec 17, 2016
damogul:
The thread has been so derailed its crazy.

OP asked for something as simple as proof of NO GOD from the atheists or how they arrived at that conclusion and they have been offered to provide proof from NATURE, SCIENCE, SELF, etc but not one single one has been able to do this. This is my conclusion;


I deduce that a lot of these atheists actually have no reason why they say God does not exist besides emotions, anger, denial or hatred for God. Otherwise they would have offered tangible proof in defense of their NO GOD idea but they have been unable to do so.

How hard can proof of NO GOD be? Some have come here to say you cannot prove a negative but you can prove there is no electricity (which is a negative) You can prove there is no water (which is a negative) You can prove there is no air (which is a negative) etc


They create defenses just to justify their inability to provide proof of their position and this is pathetic.

Some have said they need proof of God yet they still went ahead to say God does not exist. If you say you desire proof but still declare God nonexistent is that not idiocy? Have you gone through all the myriads of proof available daily worldwide to jump to this conclusion?


This thread is clear proof of how irrational atheism is and all it represents. Its shallow, irrational and driven by emotional tantrums as all i have been seeing has been questions like;

If God is good why do we have worms that can eat human eyes...as if there is a pandemic of such


which clearly shows their illogical reasoning.

God bless you OP for this thread as we continue exposing their mental limitations and delusions.

As in eh.
I thank God for him.
I will always say it.
Its better to say one is an atheist and just shut up.

Than make it look it like its all about reason.
Even Seun came, i asked him one question, if he believed afterlife existed?

He couldnt answer.

They dont have nattin.
Re: Why Do Atheists Shift The Burden Of Proof? by damogul: 7:01pm On Dec 17, 2016
Dalaman is the great fish no longer a whale? I have shown you KJV of mathew 12: 40.

Anything else left for you to deny?
Re: Why Do Atheists Shift The Burden Of Proof? by Deicide: 7:01pm On Dec 17, 2016
KingEbukasBlog:


I've explained why I use different perspectives to refute an argument . It does not mean I have changed beliefs - whatever this means .
Then your Arguments Are not valid! Have you ever seen an Atheist arguing with a Pantheist b4? And the problem wit you is that you do it in a Deceitful way....
Re: Why Do Atheists Shift The Burden Of Proof? by randomperson: 7:02pm On Dec 17, 2016
damogul:


Matthew 12:40:

For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth. (KJV)


Stop lying!
Wow!! Never noticed this . the actual story said fish and Jesus came and said whale. So, was Jesus lying or or was the original writer lying?
Re: Why Do Atheists Shift The Burden Of Proof? by felixomor: 7:03pm On Dec 17, 2016
Seun:

No I don't. I have not come across any evidence that any higher animal's consciousness can persist after the death of its brain cells. Have you?

Ok, scientists have found evidence

https://www.google.fr/amp/s/www.express.co.uk/news/science/670781/There-IS-life-after-DEATH-Scientists-reveal-shock-findings-from-groundbreaking-study/

Now read and tell me why you dont believe.
Since u have linked evidence to your belief.

Oya Read and give me reponse.
Re: Why Do Atheists Shift The Burden Of Proof? by dalaman: 7:03pm On Dec 17, 2016
damogul:


This is how you see how illogical atheists can be. You say something is ridiculous without research or proof.

Ichthyologists have shown that whales have enough air in them to keep living things alive for extended periods expecially since they do not breathe through water and evidence has shown whales swallowing fish bigger than man such as great white sharks and smaller whales. They also said the digestive enzymes in a whale only kick in when that which was swallowed is dead but as long as its alive then digestion cannot commence.


So is the Jonah story looking illogical?

You are lying. Where is the study that supports all the lies you spew here?
Re: Why Do Atheists Shift The Burden Of Proof? by Deicide: 7:04pm On Dec 17, 2016
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Re: Why Do Atheists Shift The Burden Of Proof? by felixomor: 7:05pm On Dec 17, 2016
dalaman:


You are lying. Where is the study that supports all the lies you spew here?

Just

Look at who is asking for study?

Mscheww
Re: Why Do Atheists Shift The Burden Of Proof? by damogul: 7:05pm On Dec 17, 2016
randomperson:

Wow!! Never noticed this . the actual story said fish and Jesus came and said whale. So, was Jesus lying or or was the original writer lying?

Do you see how illogical you look now? The term GREAT FISH was descriptive based on size of a fish like creature and not based on its classification. Jesus was exact when he spoke his own. He now classified it properly. Nobody was lying!

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