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FriendChoice:
Now you're not concern on it definition after you defined it as musical instrument and insisted it is. Just because of your ego not to accept the truth or what. Don't look at the person telling you the truth, but look at the truth itself.

Mic remain an instrument but does not remain a musical instrument. Period.

Microphone was not originated for Musical purpose in the first place. Its originally invented to transduce a sound. Just because many people used it does not make it musical instrument. So don't say the sheik is using musical appliance.

The same Qur'an you read, some people use it to do magic and evil shirk. That does not and will never make Qur'an a magic book.


Likewise mic was introduce to convey sound and which ever sound be it music, songs, adhan, preaching etc, the main function is still existing. This does not means the sheik is using musical instrument. If it means, then musicians are using religious instrument to sing also.

Similarly: Television was invented to transmit audio visual. Whether Lectures, Movies, etc anything and also for playing games.

To a person who like movies: Its a film watching appliance.

To a kid: its a cartoon box or gaming instrument.

mic is forbidden or not?

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Empiree:
mic is forbidden or not?

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FriendChoice:
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think outside the box for a moment.

FriendChoice:
Am not here to answer your questions. Am here to tell you mic was not a musical appliance to which you claim. After exposing you. The truth is now clear to you, but your head is too big to accept it.. Then you now proceed to show of shame

So basically am done here. Don't have time to address much nonsense from you. When you cannot answer this, then you move to this. when it's proven you lied as you always did, you jump to this.

Imagine asking foolish question is mic Haram. Who said mic is an act of worship in Islam. is the bed you're sleeping on Haram? Bye idiot .

Again, I have not insulted you. I was trying to get you to reason. "mic is haram, bed is haram" etc...if that's what your mind says about me, you got it wrong.

I wont elaborate further. You can think anything you want. Even "musical instruments" are in parenthesis. Not Allah's word or the prophet's(p). It is basically opinion that varies amongst scholars for centuries. I rather just leave you alone until someone reasonable comes around. I have made my point clear.

Empiree:
Again, I have not insulted you. I was trying to get you to reason. "mic is haram, bed is haram" etc...if that's what your mind says about me, you got it wrong.

I wont elaborate further. You can think anything you want. Even "musical instruments" are in parenthesis. Not Allah's word or the prophet's(p). It is basically opinion that varies amongst scholars for centuries. I rather just leave you alone until someone reasonable comes around. I have made my point clear.

Mic was not a musical instruments. So the question does not arise.

Empiree:
I am not concerned about its definition. I am ONLY saying it is used by ALL. Hence, if it is forbidden, then, it is across the board. Just like TV. We can't say it haram. rather we say it depends on what it is used for. It remains TV whether it is used for po.rn or give dawatul islamiyah. Same goes with mic. It remains instrument. period.

Empiree:
I have no idea what you just said and I dont know what "truth" you claimed I denied. My point is simple. If mic is not musical instrument yet used worldwide by musicians, for call to salat, by pastors etc. It is musical instrument for different purposes. It is still musical instrument. Why the twist?.

Now you're not concern on it definition after you defined it as musical instrument and insisted it is. Just because of your ego not to accept the truth or what. Don't look at the person telling you the truth, but look at the truth itself.

Mic remain an instrument but does not remain a musical instrument. Period.

Microphone was not originated for Musical purpose in the first place. Its originally invented to transduce a sound. Just because many people used it does not make it musical instrument. So don't say the sheik is using musical appliance.

The same Qur'an you read, some people use it to do magic and evil shirk. That does not and will never make Qur'an a magic book.


Likewise mic was introduce to convey sound and which ever sound be it music, songs, adhan, preaching etc, the main function is still existing. This does not means the sheik is using musical instrument. If it means, then musicians are using religious instrument to sing also.

Similarly: Television was invented to transmit audio visual. Whether Lectures, Movies, etc anything and also for playing games.

To a person who like movies: Its a film watching appliance.

To a kid: its a cartoon box or gaming instrument.

افتؤمنون ببعض الكتاب وتكفرون ببعض

"so do you believe in part of the book(that Allaah has sent down) and disbelieve in some?" ~ Qur'an.

There is no where the Quran prohibited music, idle talk is used in many ways, the hadiths on music only gave shaitan credit for this with no logical reasons.

I started giving up on some hadith when I started reading something like shaitan pee pee in our ears, yawning is from shaitan, shaitan eats with left hand.

Music is powerful, it exist in every culture even in the medical and psychological field music is used.

Empiree,

Microphone is not a musical instrument but an instrument used when producing music.

If music is haram.... because it diverts one from the truth.... why isn't speech/or writing also haram?.... don't these also divert one from the truth? Infact... any form of communication that can lead one to the truth can also divert one from the very truth.

Empiree:
I have spoken. Quran says "Idle talks" is forbidden. Hadith says by elaborating music. There is no contradiction. Hadith simply is saying music of no benefits, in another word music with haram lyrics are forbidden. Not just saying "music is haram". You seem to have problem understanding anytime. That's your issue. Saying simply "music is haram means whether it is mere vocal or not, it is haram altogether. Get the point now. That's what my posts clarified. if you still have problems after this, na u sabi

Simple and Short...

tintingz:
Empir.ee,

Microphone is not a musical instrument but an instrument used when producing music.

Thanks

Based on the write up, The quran passage was specific. There's no absolutely no reference to music/singing.

Also, there's no direct recommendation from Prophet Muhammed banning music/singing outrightly

I understand that most musics nowadays can corrupt. The reality is Shaytan can corrupt anyone with anything - opposite sex, money, family, health, knowledge but it doesn't mean we stop trying to make a living or getting more knowledge. We limit our exposure to things that are against quran's teaching and pray for Allah's guidance

I do not agree with the fact that all music/singing is haram. If you think it is, please provide actual statements from Allah or Prophet Muhammed and not other human's opinion or translation.

#MyOpinion so no need for factless attacks

lexiconkabir:
two things are definitely sure for you to have said this;

1.) you don't believe in the authentic ahadeeth that prohibited singing, musical instruments.

2.) or you are more knowledge than the prophet who prohibited them.



if you don't see how, then you didn't read the op.



Actually, if music is something that changes "bad people to good people" like you claimed, then majority of musicians should be good people and role models, but the reverse is the case, majority are bad people producing "good" music, only a few are not bad people and by bad people i mean (in the open) they dont smoke, drug and all that, but still they are bad people because they cant do without fornication, so who are the "good" ones?



oh! you are more rational than the prophet...

with this mentality, you'll also be taking alcohol with little percentage.

MUSLIMS SHOULD STOP USING THE INTERNET, ITS HARAM TOO.

MEANWHILE, I DENOUNCE ISLAM IN JESUS NAME.. AMEN

lexiconkabir:
It was reported in a saheeh hadeeth from the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “In my ummah there will be people who allow fornication/adultery (zina), silk, wine and musical instruments [ma’aazif]. Some people will stay at the side of a mountain, and they will have flocks of sheep. When a poor person comes in the evening to ask them for something he needs, they will say. ‘Come back to us tomorrow.’ Then during the night Allaah will destroy them by causing the mountain to fall upon them, while He changes others into apes and swine. They will remain in such a state until the Day of Resurrection.’”

Jazakallahu khiran.

Been searching for this hadith and it's analysis.

salamualaikum people. @ op I just wanna get cleared on this, if you say music is bad hw bout Islamic musicians like maher zain, sami yusuf and others they do good Islamic music and there lyrics is full of praises to Allah (SWT) .. I want you to clarify me on this.. peace

when you are talking about music in Islam, what about those who are doing zikir with sound is it not part of music? if it is part of music why can't them stop it for Allah sake.

Music and song and dance are three different thing.

Making music in islam is no doubt haram buh singing and dancing is sure permissible

I have this fatwa of shaykh salih al fawzan here that may be of help to our knowledge.


What is the ruling of women dancing amongst themselves during a wedding or other than that? May Allaah reward you.
Answer:

There is no harm in the dancing of women on the ocassion of marriage and the beating of the duff (a simple drum) along with some singing of virtuous songs (not containing sinful speech) - because this is from the announcement of the marriage that has been commanded by the sharee'ah

- However with the condition that this is done in the company of women only, with voices that are not raised so that they pass outside of the venue, and with the condition that there is complete seclusion and screening.

Also that the awrah (the areas of the body that should be concealed) are not revealed whilst dancing, such as her legs, or her arms or her upper arms - and that which is shown from these is in accordance with the customs/habits of the Muslim women in the presense of (other) women.

Shaykh Saalih al-Fawzaan
"Al-Muntaqaa", ash-Shaykh al-Allaamah al-Fawzaan, 2/172,172.

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I endorse the above. It's in-line with my earlier posts

I agree with adejaresalami1 music (ie musical instrument) and singing (with one's voice and no instrument) are different.

The Op talked about music and not singing.

adejaresalami1:
Music and song and dance are three different thing.

Making music in islam is no doubt haram buh singing and dancing is sure permissible

I have this fatwa of shaykh salih al fawzan here that may be of help to our knowledge.


What is the ruling of women dancing amongst themselves during a wedding or other than that? May Allaah reward you.
Answer:

There is no harm in the dancing of women on the ocassion of marriage and the beating of the duff (a simple drum) along with some singing of virtuous songs (not containing sinful speech) - because this is from the announcement of the marriage that has been commanded by the sharee'ah

- However with the condition that this is done in the company of women only, with voices that are not raised so that they pass outside of the venue, and with the condition that there is complete seclusion and screening.

Also that the awrah (the areas of the body that should be concealed) are not revealed whilst dancing, such as her legs, or her arms or her upper arms - and that which is shown from these is in accordance with the customs/habits of the Muslim women in the presense of (other) women.

Shaykh Saalih al-Fawzaan
"Al-Muntaqaa", ash-Shaykh al-Allaamah al-Fawzaan, 2/172,172.

well the op said same.

shaykh munajid is a student of shaykh fawzaan.

snapscore:
I agree with adejaresalami1 music (ie musical instrument) and singing (with one's voice and no instrument) are different.

The Op talked about music and not singing.

You can't separate singing(vocal) from music. Singing is music.

When you're talking about music art or study or field, singing is part of it, so according to the OP singing is also haraam because Satan the villain boss is the source.

Even A-capella is a form of music.

adejaresalami1:
Music and song and dance are three different thing.

Making music in islam is no doubt haram buh singing and dancing is sure permissible

I have this fatwa of shaykh salih al fawzan here that may be of help to our knowledge.


What is the ruling of women dancing amongst themselves during a wedding or other than that? May Allaah reward you.
Answer:

There is no harm in the dancing of women on the ocassion of marriage and the beating of the duff (a simple drum) along with some singing of virtuous songs (not containing sinful speech) - because this is from the announcement of the marriage that has been commanded by the sharee'ah

- However with the condition that this is done in the company of women only, with voices that are not raised so that they pass outside of the venue, and with the condition that there is complete seclusion and screening.

Also that the awrah (the areas of the body that should be concealed) are not revealed whilst dancing, such as her legs, or her arms or her upper arms - and that which is shown from these is in accordance with the customs/habits of the Muslim women in the presense of (other) women.

Shaykh Saalih al-Fawzaan
"Al-Muntaqaa", ash-Shaykh al-Allaamah al-Fawzaan, 2/172,172.

This make sense but Music and song are not different thing.

Shaykh Al Albani wrote something on this

tintingz:
Music itself is not bad as it is an art form creating sounds, rhythm, melodies using musical instruments and singing, it is the people that make it bad by passing bad massage just like religion and I don't see how idle talk relate to music in that verse. Idle talk can be used in many ways.

Secondly, humans have good and bad in them, I don't look at people lifestyle to know good music it is the message that makes good music just like we have Sheikhs preaching wrong message.

Saying music is haram is fallacy and Irrational (generalization), it is better you say idle talk or bad music is haram.

Look at your society today what's music turning ladies into?

tintingz:
# I don't believe in irrational hadiths that doesn't give rational reason.

# I have not seen any rational reason in hadiths why music is bad by men-written hadiths, all I read are shaitan/Satan is the source.



What does idle talk mean?



I have stated earlier that people have good and bad in them, a yin-yang thing. A good person can do bad and a bad person can do good, if you mean that taking drugs and smoking is the characteristics of a bad person, you're wrong. There are lots of smokers that do good than people that claim to be good.

When you're not close to the musicians how do you know they are bad or good?

If you think majority of musicians are bad people(because they smoke, drink, fornicate) but produce good music then psychologically they are good and they have good in them.



No, some hadiths are irrational.

Sorry I don't take alcohol because I know what it can cause to the body system, now that's rational reason

Now give me one rational reason why music is generally bad and I will give you many reason why music is good for humanity.

What are the types of Hadith based on validity? and don't forget Allah is watching, right now you are defending something that promotes sexual promiscuity.

najib632:
Look at your society today what's music turning ladies into?

So it is only ladies that listen to music and is it only ladies that fornicate? I don't know why society, religion mostly focus on women especially in Africa.

And secondly, Are there not good music?
Have you read the benefits of music?

najib632:
What are the types of Hadith based on validity? and don't forget Allah is watching, right now you are defending something that promotes sexual promiscuity.

Hadiths that give rational reasons for something and that harmonize with the Quran. Those are the hadiths I take serious.

And NO am not defending promiscuity, music is not the founder/originator of promiscuity.

AbuHammaad:
Shaykh Al Albani wrote something on this

I have an audio from our blessed shaykh, where the questioner asked of music in nikka....

Music is a form of pornography, audio pornography. I don't know ONE single benefit of music, by Allaah!

tintingz:
So it is only ladies that listen to music and is it only ladies that fornicate? I don't know why society, religion mostly focus on women especially in Africa.

And secondly, Are there not good music?
Have you read the benefits of music?

Hadiths that give rational reasons for something and that harmonize with the Quran. Those are the hadiths I take serious.

And NO am not defending promiscuity, music is not the founder/originator of promiscuity.

'Tintingz' has never made a post, or a comment in line with kitab wa sunnah. Shey person wey dey talk this "
Hadiths that give rational reasons for something and that harmonize with the Quran. Those are the hadiths I take serious. " Na him I go take serious!?!

Allaah ya shirye mu/May Allaah guide us aright.

RABIUSHILE04:
I have an audio from our blessed shaykh, where the questioner asked of music in nikka....

Abeg post it. Just stumbled upon this

https://d1.islamhouse.com/data/en/ih_books/single/en_The_Prohibition_of_Music.pdf

snapscore:
I agree with adejaresalami1 music (ie musical instrument) and singing (with one's voice and no instrument) are different.

The Op talked about music and not singing.

But eeerm...

Ibn al-Qayyim (may Allaah have mercy on him) said: The interpretation of the Sahaabah and Taabi’in, that ‘idle talk’ refers to singing, is sufficient. This was reported with saheeh isnaads from Ibn ‘Abbaas and Ibn Mas’ood. Abu’l-Sahbaa’ said: I asked Ibn Mas’ood about the aayah (interpretation of the meaning), ‘“And of mankind is he who purchases idle talks’ [Luqmaan 31:6]. He said: By Allaah, besides Whom there is no other god, this means singing – and he repeated it three times. It was also reported with a saheeh isnaad from Ibn ‘Umar (may Allaah be pleased with them both) that this means singing


There is no contradiction between the interpretation of “idle talk” as meaning singing and the interpretation of it as meaning stories of the Persians and their kings, and the kings of the Romans, and so on, such as al-Nadr ibn al-Haarith used to tell to the people of Makkah to distract them from the Qur’aan. Both of them are idle talk. Hence Ibn ‘Abbaas said: “Idle talk” is falsehood and singing

https://islamqa.info/en/5000

But what do I know