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Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by ianSweet(f): 9:19am On Dec 20, 2016
NairobiWalker:
Even Lamu is ancient but not shitty, Mombasa is probably older that Kano but not shitty. Being old is no excuse for being shitty.
Lamu and Mombasa were founded by Arabs and not black Africans unlike Kano.
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by 68816419: 9:24am On Dec 20, 2016
NairobiWalker:
http://worldpopulationreview.com/world-cities/lagos-population/
you mean this

[b]Nairobi


"Slums are usually dense settlements. About 60 to 80 percent of Kenya’s urban
population lives in slums
. In Nairobi, informal settlements cover just 6% of the total
residential land area, yet house 60% of the city’s population (IRIN, 2013)."[/b]

Nairobi is home to one of the largest slums in the world. The slum, Kibera, houses approximately 250,000 of the 2.5 million slum dwellers in the city. Most people in Kibera live on less than $1 per day and HIV is rampant. There is a shortage of clean water and education and rape and assault cases are common. The slum is so large that it has many villages.

Nakuru

Nakuru is the fourth largest town in Kenya with an estimated population of 300,000. The size of population is growing quickly as more families migrate to Nakuru from neighbouring villages,It is relatively easy to travel to Nakuru from the capital city of Nairobi, as it is only 160 km away. Nakuru town has many commercial areas, shops, restaurants and offices. However, over 150,000 of Nakuru’s population live in low income settlments.Many of these are informal settlements, or what we would call slums(imagine a pouluation of arround 300k+ and over half of the population leaves in poverty and slums?).


Turkana

Turkana is the largest and also the north-western most county in Kenya. It is bordered by the countries of Uganda to the west; South Sudan and Ethiopia, including the disputed Ilemi Triangle, to the north and northeast; and Lake Turkana to the east. 100% the people leaves in abject poverty
Other major cities include Mombasa (pop: 1.2 million), Kisumu (400,000), and Nakuru (300,000).
Kisii[b]
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will back to expose all the rest of these counties grin (over 90% counties are slums )

Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by NairobiWalker(m): 9:25am On Dec 20, 2016
ianSweet:
Lamu and Mombasa were founded by Arabs and not black Africans unlike Kano.
Here goes the ignorant girl again. Please read a book.
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by 68816419: 9:27am On Dec 20, 2016
NairobiWalker:
Do you even know where Kikuyu is?

There are no arabs in Lamu. Those people you call Arabs are actually the famous Swahili people of the the Swahili language your sister claims we stole from Tanzania. Stop spreading lies.
ahahahahh more like their no blacks in lamu..what!
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by obaaderemi: 9:30am On Dec 20, 2016
PissedYagami:
True I know they will try, Kenya actually tries to meet its deadlines, even if they do not build 250k units, they will at least reduce the slum population mahn. The good thing is that they do not lie or hide about them. After Kenyattas death, some president called Moi took power. He was in power for 24 years. He did nothing, all he did was loot and loot and loot. But since Kibaki, we have improved. Now there is uhuru kenyatta trying. ActuallyI told you about vision 2030, and everything here is on steroids. And we got no minerals to depend on, recently we discovered oil. Hope we dont depend on it a lot
Ur comrade,nairobitrekker,make it look as if kenya has no problems at all and that is the issue the nigerian guys find unacceptable.nigerians will readily condemn and even vote out nonperforming govt and refuse to hide their mess but kenyans seem to embrace and polish their mess.no wonder arap moi ruled 4 so long and the indians control ur economy
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by NairobiWalker(m): 9:37am On Dec 20, 2016
obaaderemi:
Ur comrade,nairobitrekker,make it look as if kenya has no problems at all and that is the issue the nigerian guys find unacceptable.nigerians will readily condemn and even vote out nonperforming govt and refuse to hide their mess but kenyans seem to embrace and polish their mess.no wonder arap moi ruled 4 so long and the indians control ur economy
Says someone who claims there are no slums in Lagos.

Why don't you condemn your government for not providing you with a good supply of electricity first?
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by ianSweet(f): 9:42am On Dec 20, 2016
NairobiWalker:
As if you people are showing the terrible side of Nigeria. Where is Boko Haram pictures? where are the Lagos slum pictures? you're here cherry picking photos of the best parts of your country yet feel bad we do the same? The whole city of Kano is a slum yet you only post a small part of the highway traversing it. Ibadan is a dumb hole yet you post only the 15℅ that looks decent. Stop being deluded.
Nigeria is bigger than your Kenya. We have far more cities and towns than you do.
Now tell me why you can hardly find pictures of ancient houses like you can see in Kano and Ibadan in other parts of Nigeria?
For instance we have cities like Warri, Port harcourt, Kaduna, Jos, Zaria, Maiduguri, Onitsha and Ilorin in Nigeria which have over 1 million residents each but u can hardly find a section of these cities with old houses like u do in Ibadan and Kano.

Can u provide a proof to show that Kano and Ibadan have any slums or slums make up up tp half of these cities? That of Nairobi is world renowned.
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by ianSweet(f): 9:45am On Dec 20, 2016
NairobiWalker:
Here goes the ignorant girl again. Please read a book.
I know all that i need to know about coastal east Africa and their arabic, persian and Indian settlements.

Were Mombasa and Lamu founded purely by Black Africans? Yes or No?
Kano, Ibadan and Benin city in nigeria were ancient cities founded purely by Nigerian black african tribes.
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by NairobiWalker(m): 9:48am On Dec 20, 2016
68816419:
ahahahahh more like their no blacks in lamu..what!
Below is the photo of the Lamu Governor Issa Timamy. His people resemble the Fulani of Nigeria in appearance. Is he Arab to you? ....and if he is, can we then agree President Buhari is also Arab? If Buhari is Arab, can we agree Nigeria is ruled by Arabs?

Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by obaaderemi: 9:48am On Dec 20, 2016
ianSweet:
God bless u for this fact.
You will never see black people being accepted in India as equal citizens no matter what, let alone black people benefitting so much from the Indian govt. Whites are even better.
However it saddens me to see African countries being dominated by whites or Indians, so sickening. That's why i love Nigeria. Whatever we achieve is 100% due to the sweat and the labour of the black man. No foreigner can claim bullshit.
And that's what makes nigeria the giant of africa.its what the others cant wrap their head around.what the use of having black politicians who hold political power but serve the economic interests of other races in their own land to the magnitude we have in kenya and s.africa.i mean its crazy especially when the 'victims' have to rationalize such under one silly rainbow coalition or multiculture,a dummy sold to them by the rapacious foreigners to limit competition.maybe indians and whites also live in kibera.waiting to see.
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by NairobiWalker(m): 9:50am On Dec 20, 2016
ianSweet:
I know all that i need to know about coastal east Africa and their arabic, persian and Indian settlements.

Were Mombasa and Lamu founded purely by Black Africans? Yes or No?
Kano, Ibadan and Benin city in nigeria were ancient cities founded purely by Nigerian black african tribes.
Like I said, you're very ignorant and poor in history. See your argument is all based on statements. I'll help you this time round. Google Mwana Mkisi and start from there. I hope you have enough gas for your generator.
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Hbuyosh(m): 9:53am On Dec 20, 2016
68816419:
hahahah funny guy grin, visit those places and confirm them yourself stop getting your pictures from "Google search" , Nairobi alone have 94 slums, meaning over 92% of it population leaves in slums
imagine nairobi alone having that high numbers of slums, it means Nakuru,Eldy,Mombasa.Kissi,and the whole of northern part of Kenya(about largest part of the nation) are made up of made up of slums

If Kano is a slum(which is not), then Nairobi(excluding CBD and Indians areas, whites), eldoret, Nakuru(excluding the CBD and Indians areas as ), Kissi, Kikuyu and all northern and coastal part of Kenya (excluding some parts in Mombasa) are huge slums then
Imagine having all these slums alone in Nairobi?

lists of "some" of the slums in Nairobi alone grin(populations not less than 50,000)


Baba Ndogo
Dandora
Fuata Nyayo
Huruma
Kawangware
Kangemi
Kiambiu
Kibera (including Gatwekera, Kambi Muru, Kangemi, Kianda, Kichinjio, Kisumu Ndogo, Laini Saba, Lindi, Makina, Makongeni, Mashimoni, Mugumoini, Raila, Sarang'ombe, Shilanga, Siranga, Soweto East and Soweto West)
Korogocho
Majengo, Nairobi
Matopeni
Mathare
Mathare Valley
Mukuru kwa Njenga
Mukuru slums
Nyalenda
Pumwani
Ziwa la Ng'ombe
Kenyatta University Slums
not to mention other slums such as

(Ngara,weslantland slums(Maasai,Suswa,Kaptagatm,Kibagare,Waruku........) .Parkland,Langata slums(City Cotton, Mitumba, Maasai, KPA and Kyangombe villages ),Ngong slums are not listed , the whole of Rongai is slum with only one paaved road(ANU road)
Some of the slum s u have included here are pretty much the divisions of the same slum! I.e.:

Gatwekera, Kambi Muru, Kangemi, Kianda, Kichinjio, Kisumu Ndogo, Laini Saba, Lindi, Makina, Makongeni, Mashimoni, Mugumoini, Raila, Sarang'ombe, Shilanga, Siranga, Soweto East and Soweto West Baba Dogo, Kiambiu are part of the same larger kIBERA sLUM.

Mathare, Mathare Valley, Matopeni, Majengo, Ziwa la Ngombe are parts of the Mathare slum.

Mukuru, Mukuru kwa Njenga is the same place, Mukur Slums.

There is no slum called Kenyat University slum, I have no idea where u got that from, cos Kenyatta University is actually located in a well off neighborhood.

And the following are not even slums!
Ngara,weslantland slums(Maasai,Suswa,Kaptagatm,Parkland,Langata slums(City Cotton, Mitumba, Maasai, KPA and Kyangombe villages ),Ngong slums are not listed , the whole of Rongai is slum


Westlands, parklands, Ngong, and Rongai......really, are slums? Where did u get that from?

The following are not slums, but markets/shopping centres City Cotton, Mitumba, Maasai, KPA and Kyangombe villages.
The latter (KPA) is infact a huge residential area owned by a parastatal, the Kenya Ports Authority (KPA, its pictures below)!
https://lustman1990.co.ke/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/3-5.jpg
https://lustman1990.co.ke/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/7.jpg


Maasai,Suswa,Kaptagatm are townships far away from Nairobi! Your source is really flawed.


If 92% of Nairobians were really slum dwellers, then Kenya wouldnt have been boasting one of the largest real estate sector in Africa!
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by MtuMsuper: 10:06am On Dec 20, 2016
PissedYagami:
But on the positive side hope some guys from Kenyan and Nigerian govts see these threads. I would like to see our president see pictures of slums here. That would be a wake up call and he should deal with it.
Hehehe you spoke like a prophet there. Two nights ago i was with a senior govt official and he noticed me browsing the topic very animatedly. I insisted he reads it and is reading it whenever free 5 mins pops up in his very busy schedule. i even encouraged him to join nairaland. You never know ooo
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Hbuyosh(m): 10:08am On Dec 20, 2016
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by solbil: 10:33am On Dec 20, 2016
NairobiWalker:
Says someone who claims there are no slums in Lagos.

Why don't you condemn your government for not providing you with a good supply of electricity first?
talk as if there is a single kilowatt of power in you Kibera.
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by PissedYagami(m): 10:51am On Dec 20, 2016
68816419:
you mean this

[b]Nairobi


"Slums are usually dense settlements. About 60 to 80 percent of Kenya’s urban
population lives in slums
. In Nairobi, informal settlements cover just 6% of the total
residential land area, yet house 60% of the city’s population (IRIN, 2013)."[/b]

Nairobi is home to one of the largest slums in the world. The slum, Kibera, houses approximately 250,000 of the 2.5 million slum dwellers in the city. Most people in Kibera live on less than $1 per day and HIV is rampant. There is a shortage of clean water and education and rape and assault cases are common. The slum is so large that it has many villages.

Nakuru

Nakuru is the fourth largest town in Kenya with an estimated population of 300,000. The size of population is growing quickly as more families migrate to Nakuru from neighbouring villages,It is relatively easy to travel to Nakuru from the capital city of Nairobi, as it is only 160 km away. Nakuru town has many commercial areas, shops, restaurants and offices. However, over 150,000 of Nakuru’s population live in low income settlments.Many of these are informal settlements, or what we would call slums(imagine a pouluation of arround 300k+ and over half of the population leaves in poverty and slums?).


Turkana

Turkana is the largest and also the north-western most county in Kenya. It is bordered by the countries of Uganda to the west; South Sudan and Ethiopia, including the disputed Ilemi Triangle, to the north and northeast; and Lake Turkana to the east. 100% the people leaves in abject poverty
Other major cities include Mombasa (pop: 1.2 million), Kisumu (400,000), and Nakuru (300,000).
Kisii[b]
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will back to expose all the rest of these counties grin (over 90% counties are slums )
Max estimate for Nairobi slum is 60% vs lagos 66%. And the slums only make up 6% of total Nairobi land. So 94% of Nairobi is is not a slum. Just that the 6% which is the slum carries a huge population.
And I can post more gross pictures of Nigeria man, if you want that game
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by PissedYagami(m): 10:52am On Dec 20, 2016
ianSweet:
Lamu and Mombasa were founded by Arabs and not black Africans unlike Kano.
It was a trade are for black and Arabs. Thats why the religion there is Islam. It also lead to development of a Swahili language, a Bantu language, though with a lot of arabic loan words
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by PissedYagami(m): 10:55am On Dec 20, 2016
solbil:
talk as if there is a single kilowatt of power in you Kibera.
Actually some shacks are connected

Housing
The average size of shack in this area is 12ft x 12ft built with mud walls, a corrugated tin roof with a dirt or concrete floor. The cost is about KES 700 per Month (£6). These shacks often house up to 8 or more with many sleeping on the floor.

The population
The original settlers were the Nubian people from the Kenyan/Sudanese border – they now occupy about 15% of Kibera, are mostly Muslim and are also mostly shack owners. The other shack owners are mostly Kikuyu (the majority tribe in Nairobi) – although in most cases they do not live there but are absentee landlords. The majority of the tenants are Luo, Luhya and some Kamba – these people are from the west of Kenya. There are many tensions in Kibera, particularly tribal tensions between the Luo & Kikuyu, but also between landlord and tenant and those with and without jobs.

Electricity
Only about 20% of Kibera has electricity . UN-Habitat is in the process of providing it to some parts of Kibera – this will include street lighting, security lighting and connection to shacks (this costs KES 900 per shack, which in most cases is not affordable).
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by NairobiWalker(m): 11:02am On Dec 20, 2016
solbil:
talk as if there is a single kilowatt of power in you Kibera.
The whole of Kibera has 24/7 supply of electricity. Ask Naijalander
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by solbil: 11:14am On Dec 20, 2016
PissedYagami:
Actually some shacks are connected

Housing
The average size of shack in this area is 12ft x 12ft built with mud walls, a corrugated tin roof with a dirt or concrete floor. The cost is about KES 700 per Month (£6). These shacks often house up to 8 or more with many sleeping on the floor.

The population
The original settlers were the Nubian people from the Kenyan/Sudanese border – they now occupy about 15% of Kibera, are mostly Muslim and are also mostly shack owners. The other shack owners are mostly Kikuyu (the majority tribe in Nairobi) – although in most cases they do not live there but are absentee landlords. The majority of the tenants are Luo, Luhya and some Kamba – these people are from the west of Kenya. There are many tensions in Kibera, particularly tribal tensions between the Luo & Kikuyu, but also between landlord and tenant and those with and without jobs.

Electricity
Only about 20% of Kibera has electricity . UN-Habitat is in the process of providing it to some parts of Kibera – this will include street lighting, security lighting and connection to shacks (this costs KES 900 per shack, which in most cases is not affordable).
AJ have electricity everywhere
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by PissedYagami(m): 11:16am On Dec 20, 2016
And only 6% of Nairobis total land is a slum, 94% of the land aint a slum
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by NairobiWalker(m): 11:24am On Dec 20, 2016
solbil:
AJ have electricity everywhere
Even the poshest places in Lagos have no constant electricity. Stop deceiving people.
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by obaaderemi: 11:51am On Dec 20, 2016
NairobiWalker:
Says someone who claims there are no slums in Lagos.

Why don't you condemn your government for not providing you with a good supply of electricity first?
Its one of the reasons we voted out the last govt and right now nigerians are calling for fashola,the power minister's resignation.they holding him accountable for saying providing stable power is not rocket science and yet he is struggling.ANd show me where i said lagos has no slum.
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by obaaderemi: 12:00pm On Dec 20, 2016
NairobiWalker:
The whole of Kibera has 24/7 supply of electricity. Ask Naijalander
Ur compatriot,pissedyagami just posted an article showing only 20% of kibera is connected.keep deceiving urself.
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by obaaderemi: 12:07pm On Dec 20, 2016
MtuMsuper:
Hehehe you spoke like a prophet there. Two nights ago i was with a senior govt official and he noticed me browsing the topic very animatedly. I insisted he reads it and is reading it whenever free 5 mins pops up in his very busy schedule. i even encouraged him to join nairaland. You never know ooo
Our mutual friend,nairobitrekker,is going to be pissed off by this.i believe he is also animatedly glued to nairaland somewhere in eastafrica now but to encourage a kenyan politician to use nairaland? the very idea!no pun intended
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by NairobiWalker(m): 12:22pm On Dec 20, 2016
obaaderemi:
Its one of the reasons we voted out the last govt and right now nigerians are calling for fashola,the power minister's resignation.they holding him accountable for saying providing stable power is not rocket science and yet he is struggling.ANd show me where i said lagos has no slum.
You keep saying Kenya is no match for Nigeria because Kenya is full of slums.
I simply showcase areas where Kenya beats Nigeria by far but you always come with excuses such as "oyinbo did it for you, HDI is not important, we have a larger production capacity etc". Sometimes it's wise to accept your shortcomings.
Show me where I said Kenya has no problems at all.
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by NairobiWalker(m): 12:24pm On Dec 20, 2016
obaaderemi:
Ur compatriot,pissedyagami just posted an article showing only 20% of kibera is connected.keep deceiving urself.
.....it is his own opinion. It wasn't official and neither was it an article like you claim. See Kibera has a smaller official connection (though nowhere as small as 20℅ as Yagami claims - I drive through the southern bypass overlooking Kibera daily and one of the most visible thing in that slum are the electric posts and TV serials) but slum people make their own illegal connections (which are normally responsible for the occasional fires that happen in those slums). If you factor these illegal connections then 100℅ of people in Kibera are connected to electricity.
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by NairobiWalker(m): 12:28pm On Dec 20, 2016
obaaderemi:
Our mutual friend,nairobitrekker,is going to be pissed off by this.i believe he is also animatedly glued to nairaland somewhere in eastafrica now but to encourage a kenyan politician to use nairaland? the very idea!no pun intended
I'm really giving this dude sleepless nights he can't stop thinking of me. Why would I be mad that someone joined Nairaland yet I'm on Nairaland? The earlier he joins the better - there's always a lot to learn from online forums and it's good when senior government officials understand their countries and people better.
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by chrisooblog: 1:16pm On Dec 20, 2016
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Nobody: 1:25pm On Dec 20, 2016
grin

Nigerians protests over lack of electricity

https://www.nairaland.com/2991420/tour-under[i][/i]stand-causes-nigerias-epileptic#43793830
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by PissedYagami(m): 2:39pm On Dec 20, 2016
NairobiWalker:
You keep saying Kenya is no match for Nigeria because Kenya is full of slums.
I simply showcase areas where Kenya beats Nigeria by far but you always come with excuses such as "oyinbo did it for you, HDI is not important, we have a larger production capacity etc". Sometimes it's wise to accept your shortcomings.
Show me where I said Kenya has no problems at all.
Kenyans living below poverty line is at 40%. Nigeria is well over 60%. 66% of Lagos people live in slums, 66% for a City of 20 million is very bad. Kenya better HDI, better life expectancy. And slums occupy 6% of total Nairobi land,but over crowded. 90% of Nairobi is not a slum and actually if you came to Nairobi you would not see a slum anywhere. To see a slum you must go to the exact location, they are not everywher
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by PissedYagami(m): 2:39pm On Dec 20, 2016
https://twitter.com/kenyapics
Some nice Kenyan pictures there.

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