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najib632:
It's better for to live a good holy life and discover there's no God than to live a sinful life and discover that there's God o!

mhisbliss:
morning my boyfriend wannabe

najib632:
It's better for to live a good holy life and discover there's no God than to live a sinful life and discover that there's God o!

MrMontella:
question everything and anything!

sonmvayina:
The only reason men created religion is to control ourselves..that much i know..the evidence they are presenting is full of inconsistrncies and contradictions that are just too glaring to miss that is why they target us from child hood...
We are Gods and God is us...for we are spirits on a human journey..simply put we are Gods here on earth to experience the physical world we created..and when we die we go and expereince other realities..death is not the end of a line, it is a point on a circle..

Ferruccio:
Baby, you've made a huge mistake. It should be boyfriend to be, not boyfriend wannabe.

mhisbliss:
Call it crazy, abuse, curse, you can't control the random thoughts that pops into your mind, I'm not an atheist though, am not religious either, just sitting on the fence, but what if at the end of it all, we discovered that there's no God and it was all stories cooked up to keep yall in check. like yall got played

hopefulLandlord:
what's "Holy" varies from god to god, eg what's holy to Vishnu is not the same as what's holy to Allah and also not the same as what's holy to Amadioha..........


and it even gets worse, what's "holy" also varies from breakdown of same god in certain instance e.g Abrahamic gods are 2 Allah and Yahweh; what's holy to Allah is different from what's holy to Yahweh

it also still gets worse when you realise there are 2 religions under Yahweh, Judaism and Christianity; what's holy in Judaism is not the same as what's holy in Christianity

it also gets worse again! when you look at the fact that sects under the same religion e.g Christianity have what's holy vary from denomination to denomination, almost each one accusing the other of not being holy and claiming they're the holiest even though they all claim to be led by the same holy spirit

you have Jehovah's Witnesses claiming that they'll be the only ones that'll make heaven, CAC thinks Jehovah's Witnesses won't make heaven

etc etc

see? "Holy life" is not black and white

najib632:
Actually there's one true supreme God all pagans and polytheists confirm that. The thing is they changed the one message all the prophets have been preaching and that's to worship one God and do good deeds (to obey the 10 commandments). The Jews knew that Jesus A.S. was a true messenger of God but they denied him and even tried to kill him, before the Islamic Era the European Christians maltreated Jews because everyone knew they were bad people only their cousins the Arabs could endure to live with them. After the Holy wars The Jews became friends with Christians and that's when their religion got worse, they tried the same thing to Islam but they were not totally successful and it resulted to shia Islam. When God sent Prophet Muhammad S.A.W. they were actually waiting for him in Medina only to betray him a few years later. The Christians and Jews created their own version of Allah when it means God both in Hebrew and Arabic and that's the Yahweh. If you notice Islam confirms the two religions but they still refuse to believe because they're attached to worldly life and they think we'll still worship God in the after life so they think paradise is boring so much so that they laugh at muslims when they talk about the meriments in it. Look at the History of terrorism, the creation of Isreal invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan... no one seems to care even their popes and Rabbi's and then they'll tell us that they're holy. In fact Holiness means to finally become a human being and not a mere puppet of the devil whose a plain enemy to us but some fools amongst the humans chose to worship him because of material things, that's why if you notice things are supposed to be getting better no its the reverse.

mhisbliss:
yes thats what your own version of Christianity preached, that theres no life after death, what about other versions of Christianity that preached that theres life after death, in this case who's version do we discredit? Religion is a scam

mhisbliss:
Call it crazy, abuse, curse, you can't control the random thoughts that pops into your mind, I'm not an atheist though, am not religious either, just sitting on the fence, but what if at the end of it all, we discovered that there's no God and it was all stories cooked up to keep yall in check. like yall got played

mhisbliss:
i don't make mistakes

gaburiel:
It will have also been a good thing, as it is really keeping a lot of people in check today.

There are a lot of people that are serving God zealously today and striving so much to live a perfect life, in terms of holiness. Some of such people will tell you that they always love to excel at anything they set their mind to do, and if they were not serving God, they might have being thugs or criminals, and if that were the case, they would have just put the same effort in making sure they are as wicked a thug or criminal as it was possible to be.

Imagine that you are a Christian or Muslim today and you decide to live in line with the preaching of peace, holiness, helping each other and giving to the needy. What do you stand to lose at the end of it all. You will still be living a happy and fulfilled life.

The bottom line is that there are fewer thugs and criminals today because of religions that preach the existence of a God that punishes such behaviour. It has therefore made the world a more peaceful place for you.

And finally, what if at the end of it all, you find out there is a God, you will stand to lose a lot more.

hopefulLandlord:
you have already concluded in your mind that you've chosen the right god and the right religion, which pagan and polytheistic adherents ever in any way called Yahweh the one true god?

that's bias number 1

bias number 2 is your waving away Judaism by claiming they didn't recognise your Jesus as messenger of god

that's a pure misinformation; the Jews recognised him as a messenger but NOT AS MESSIAH!

do I need to spell out the difference between Messenger and Messiah?

let me assume you just made a mistake and meant Messiah, have you ever had a talk with a true Judaism adherent? have you asked them why they rejected Jesus?

are you telling me you know better than those whose ancestors saw Jesus and saw him die? whose ancestors witnessed Jesus firsthand?

"Holiness" isn't black and white

holiness has too many variables and each slight variable can render it "unholy", variables from choosing the right god to choosing which version of god to choosing which version of religion (under same god) to choosing which denomination (under same religion)

a Muslim would also wave away Judaism and Christianity then claim he's in the true religion worshipping the s true god

a Hindu would do the same while waving away other gods and religion too

so your claim ain't special

Wilgrea7:
actually, Christianity, is more or less like a sect in judaism which got blown way out of proportion and started a religion... i just recently found out that all these were sects of judaism.... Pharisees, Sadducees, essenes etc.... they had varying doctrines... some Jews take Jesus to be a sorcerer... its there in the talmud... the essenes took him as a Messiah.. etc.. they all had varying doctrines... as to how Islam started, i don't know

I've been following this your holiness post since and i tend to agree to some extent... please can you expatiate on this please... is there any sort of general holiness?

exactly my point... I've had this thought too... but do you know that the first religions around the world were once monotheistic?? that was before they started worshipping other gods... like the chinese and hindus once worshipped shang ti... their creation story has some similarities with the biblical own... have you heard of blue people?? and why Vishnu, Krishna etc were seen to have a bluish skin colour

hopefulLandlord:
nice one! finally someone who looked outside the book to try to find out the real truth with an open mind

that's the message my original post is tryna pass, there's NO general holiness because of varying number of gods, religion, denominations etc; unless the one true god is established and proven beyond reasonable doubt what's holy would always be up for debate

look at it this way, eating cows is unholy to most Hindus while to most other religion is not unholy

they wouldn't dare hurt a cow but Muslims have a celebration which they only kill cows and eat even distributing it for neighbors too

this is what happened in India that made Muslim Indians break away from India to form Pakistan; watching their neighbor kill your "god" (cow that is) and eat it was just too painful to bear so hullabaloo started; the Hindus and Muslims had a go at each other killing themselves in the millions and then later carving out Pakistan for the Muslims and even they are still on the verge of war

each of the two groups of people believed they were doing "holy" things and the other doing unholy things

each dead that died fighting believed they died for what they considered "holy" even though its obvious that both of them CAN'T be right

judging something as "holy" has too many variables and guesses

let me learn from you on this bro

Wilgrea7:
lol... I'm not a fundamentalist Christian






wow... i agree




this is the link

mhisbliss:
Call it crazy, abuse, curse, you can't control the random thoughts that pops into your mind, I'm not an atheist though, am not religious either, just sitting on the fence, but what if at the end of it all, we discovered that there's no God and it was all stories cooked up to keep yall in check. like yall got played