Toosure70:
but he dealt with your hero. JAGABAN

How many votes did Tinubu give Buhari??..

Moreover are you comparing an ex-president with a local champion??

Billyonaire:
One is a former 'State' Governor and former Senate member, the other is a 'Federal Senate President'.

Politically, Saraki is superior to Tinubu in politics, especially, since Tinubu has no political position at the moment. Forget that name 'Party Leader', we do not have two leaders. Oyegun is APC Chairman and Buhari is President and automatically APC Leader.

Let's even go further;

Saraki can 'order' Tinubu to appear at the Senate to answer questions, but Tinubu can only 'invite' Saraki to come to his house for a drink and discussion on the way forward. Tinubu can not order Saraki, but Saraki can order Tinubu. It is politics, has nothing to do with how much you have stolen. Then again, Saraki could be richer than Tinubu. Saraki's family has been in politics since inception and I believe Bukola Saraki is the heir apparent and next of kin of his father. We all know the father's exploits at Kwara State and the spoils of the loot ends up with Bukola.

Again, Saraki is more powerful.

Crap. Going by this your logic, Saraki is even more powerful than Buhari since the Senate can summon the president, right? Nonsense. It's the NASS that can summon people, including Buhari ( and even he can choose not to appear, several ministers and even the Attorney general have declined to appear in the past with impunity).

http://www.vanguardngr.com/2016/10/recession-nass-summons-buhari/

Truth is that Saraki can't even act without the expressed connivance of majority of the Senators. In fact he's been held hostage by them, especially the PDP senators who were most influential in his emergence. In other words, whatever semblance of influence or power he may currently enjoy is courtesy of his colleagues at the Upper chamber -- this was recently demonstrated when he had to desperately beg PDP senators when they threatened to withdraw their support for him over his conduct after one of them decamped to the APC.

ODDVanguard:



Crap. Going by this your logic, Saraki is even more powerful than Buhari since the Senate can summon the president, right? Nonsense. It's the NASS that can summon people, including Buhari ( and even he can choose not to appear, several ministers and even the Attorney general have declined to appear in the past with impunity).

http://www.vanguardngr.com/2016/10/recession-nass-summons-buhari/

Truth is that Saraki can't even act without the expressed connivance of majority of the Senators. In fact he's been held hostage by them, especially the PDP senators who were most influential in his emergence. In other words, whatever semblance of influence or power he may currently enjoy is courtesy of his colleagues at the Upper chamber -- this was recently demonstrated when he had to desperately beg PDP senators when they threatened to withdraw their support for him over his conduct after one of them decamped to the APC.

Dont begin the new year with stupidity. In your attempt to counter Billyonaire, you are myopic to interchange the word 'order' with 'summon'. Saraki 'summons' the President, but can 'order' Tinubu. Saraki can not 'order' the President.

Happy New Year.

Billyonaire:


Dont begin the new year with stupidity. In your attempt to counter Billyonaire, you are myopic to interchange the word 'order' with 'summon'. Saraki 'summons' the President, but can 'order' Tinubu. Saraki can not 'order' the President.

Happy New Year.

Yinmu. No amount of semantics can cover your ignorance. I repeat that Saraki cannot 'order' or summon any bagger by fiat as Senate President. Cite an example of any instance where Saraki or any past Senate president has issued such an 'order' or Shut the fvck up in shame.

ODDVanguard:


Yinmu. No amount of semantics can cover your ignorance. I repeat that Saraki cannot 'order' or summon any bagger by fiat as Senate President. Cite an example of any instance where Saraki or any past Senate president has issued such an 'order' or Shut the fvck up in shame.

Too early to exchange words with people with IQs that is less than 15% of a 7yrs old kid. I do not even think you have a copy of the Constitution of FGN 1999 (As amended). So, your assumptions exist only in your brain. And from your typing, we could deduce that your brain is not actually very programmed to work outside the dictates of common-sense. A lot of things are counter-intuitive and politics is one of those. So, people like you end up being partisan, tribal, sentimental and silly. Especially when someone you stupidly adore is involved.

I like Tinubu, he is a former drug dealer that turned out to be one of the greatest strategists in local politics. Your insults doesnt cut it and will not deviate Billyonaire from stating the very nature of mechanics of power.

The Senate President, is greater than any Party Chairman, how much more a phantom leader without political office. Let me break it down for your little mind. The Senate President (whether in this administration or another), has a superior position politically than a Party Chairperson), In essence, Saraki is politically superior to Oyegun, how much more Tinubu that does NOT hold any Federal Political position.

Come at me with more insult little mind, instead of keeping quiet and getting schooled on how politics work. I am sure you are still sleeping in your mother's basement and eating indomie.

I beg to differ.

Tinubu can use his boys in the senate, Federal ministries and parastatals to frustrate any bill Saraki wants to pass.

Saraki relies on his name, Tinubu is a self made Prince.

Billyonaire:
One is a former 'State' Governor and former Senate member, the other is a 'Federal Senate President'.

Politically, Saraki is superior to Tinubu in politics, especially, since Tinubu has no political position at the moment. Forget that name 'Party Leader', we do not have two leaders. Oyegun is APC Chairman and Buhari is President and automatically APC Leader.

Let's even go further;

Saraki can 'order' Tinubu to appear at the Senate to answer questions, but Tinubu can only 'invite' Saraki to come to his house for a drink and discussion on the way forward. Tinubu can not order Saraki, but Saraki can order Tinubu. It is politics, has nothing to do with how much you have stolen. Then again, Saraki could be richer than Tinubu. Saraki's family has been in politics since inception and I believe Bukola Saraki is the heir apparent and next of kin of his father. We all know the father's exploits at Kwara State and the spoils of the loot ends up with Bukola.

Again, Saraki is more powerful.

Powerful with regards to finances and influence nationally.

AsiwajuNdigbo:
When you say powerful, in what context?

Billyonaire:


Too early to exchange words with people with IQs that is less than 15% of a 7yrs old kid. I do not even think you have a copy of the Constitution of FGN 1999 (As amended). So, your assumptions exist only in your brain. And from your typing, we could deduce that your brain is not actually very programmed to work outside the dictates of common-sense. A lot of things are counter-intuitive and politics is one of those. So, people like you end up being partisan, tribal, sentimental and silly. Especially when someone you stupidly adore is involved.

I like Tinubu, he is a former drug dealer that turned out to be one of the greatest strategists in local politics. Your insults doesnt cut it and will not deviate Billyonaire from stating the very nature of mechanics of power.

The Senate President, is greater than any Party Chairman, how much more a phantom leader without political office. Let me break it down for your little mind. The Senate President (whether in this administration or another), has a superior position politically than a Party Chairperson), In essence, Saraki is politically superior to Oyegun, how much more Tinubu that does NOT hold any Federal Political position.

Come at me with more insult little mind, instead of keeping quiet and getting schooled on how politics work. I am sure you are still sleeping in your mother's basement and eating indomie.

Dude, i didn't ask for a fvcking speech. All i asked for was a simple instance or precedent of a Senate President 'ordering' anyone to appear before him. What amended constitution are you talking about?? Are you saying that since the advent of the 4th Republic there's been no single instance you can cite of a Senate President wielding such influence/powers? You must be so full of yourself to think you can just come here and lie to prove a point.

The truth is simply that the Senate President does not have such powers, but you felt you could just say that he does to sound intelligent and bam! Everybody will believe you. Nigga, GTFOH!

Bola does not need a title to consolidate his influence. Bukola ran for SP to avoid prosecution, you think he'd rather not be engineering things behind the scenes.

Tinubu is the bàbá ìsàlè of this generation.

Solowande:
Tinubu don become senate presido 4 he life once?

naijalander:
Bola does not need a title to consolidate his influence. Bukola ran for SP to avoid prosecution, you think he'd rather not be engineering things behind the scenes.

Tinubu is the bàbá ìsàlè of this generation.

dey deceive urself, Tinubu power end 4 Lagos mayb osun where he bingo, Aregbesola big eye dey govern

Powerful on which ground? because to me tinubu is powerful than him... Tinubu is a old politician, and saraki is just coming up.

Ok. Now answer the question bro. Happy New Year.

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On paper, Jagaban is a Senator and Bukola is is President. But from an informal perspective, Tinubu is the power behind the throne of a lot agencies. Bukola Saraki too actually. But since Tinubu can Marshall more financial resources than Bukola and he is self made, not relying on his father's old network (which is not a bad thing though), I give it to Sen. Bola Tinubu.

ufuosman:
Powerful on which ground? because to me tinubu is powerful than him... Tinubu is a old politician, and saraki is just coming up.

naijalander:

I beg to differ.

Tinubu can use his boys in the senate, Federal ministries and parastatals to frustrate any bill Saraki wants to pass.

Saraki relies on his name, Tinubu is a self made Prince.

You are a smart dude but you are not correct. From your statement "Tinubu can 'use' his 'boys' to 'frustrate'." These words on inverted commas have no place in Politics. Yes, in real politics. So, now I understand how the minds of political zombies actually work (no offence). The discourse on the thread is about the person that is 'more powerful' politically. Politically speaking, not 'thuggishly' or 'manipulatively' speaking, the Senate Presidency is higher than Chairmanship of PDP, APC, etc. Sherrif of PDP faction and Oyegun are politically below the status of Senate President Bukola Saraki. I am not holding brief for Saraki, I dont know the guy personally, I dont think I like or dislike him. But based on our constitution and that of the United States and I know Politics in both countries as I know the size of my dickk. Anyone on the seat of a Senate Presidency has more political power than even the BOT chairman of any political party. I repeat, the Senate Presidency, is superior to leadership of any Political Party.

The reason is very simple. Senate President is NUMBER 3 Citizen of the country. President being Number 1 and Vice President being number 2. Tinubu's number in citizenship is unknown to me and to you. He is politically relevant, but he is politically lesser than Senate Presidency. He can not even be invited for the National Security Briefings.

You sound like a nice guy, so I will follow up with your debate as long as you stay civil.

ODDVanguard:


Dude, i didn't ask for a fvcking speech. All i asked for was a simple instance or precedent of a Senate President 'ordering' anyone to appear before him. What amended constitution are you talking about?? Are you saying that since the advent of the 4th Republic there's been no single instance you can cite of a Senate President wielding such influence/powers? You must be so full of yourself to think you can just come here and lie to prove a point.

The truth is simply that the Senate President does not have such powers, but you felt you could just say that he does to sound intelligent and bam! Everybody will believe you. Nigga, GTFOH!

The first step to learning is to stay humble. But obviously you can not be helped. You are so narcissistic to even know when you are full of shiit. I dont really blame you, I blame the psychiatric officials that let a character such as you to roam around nairaland freely. You need help actually.

Let me repeat again, and I know your type, you will not allow it to sink into your brain, due to your state of mind. The Senate President is Number 3 Citizen, has more political power, can even galvanize proceedings that can lead impeachment of a President. If there are feelers that impeachment is looming in the upper house, the President will come down from his high horse and beg the Senate President to spare him. How much more Tinubu, infact to be frank, Ambode has more political power than Tinubu, yes and I mean it. Then you can figure out who is politically more powerful between Ambode and Saraki. You need to stay off politics. You know nothing about politics, but I know the job that will fit you very well. And that is Wife Abuser. You insult without reasoning.

Billyonaire:


The first step to learning is to stay humble. But obviously you can not be helped. You are so narcissistic to even know when you are full of shiit. I dont really blame you, I blame the psychiatric officials that let a character such as you to roam around nairaland freely. You need help actually.

Let me repeat again, and I know your type, you will not allow it to sink into your brain, due to your state of mind. The Senate President is Number 3 Citizen, has more political power, can even galvanize proceedings that can lead impeachment of a President. If there are feelers that impeachment is looming in the upper house, the President will come down from his high horse and beg the Senate President to spare him. How much more Tinubu, infact to be frank, Ambode has more political power than Tinubu, yes and I mean it. Then you can figure out who is politically more powerful between Ambode and Saraki. You need to stay off politics. You know nothing about politics, but I know the job that will fit you very well. And that is Wife Abuser. You insult without reasoning.

Goodness gracious. No need perambulating. All you needed to have done was to cite a single instance of a Senate President 'ordering' anyone to appear before him like you so confidently asserted, kapish. No need for all these tales by moonlight b.s.. I knew you all along that you are just another loudmouthed ignoramus forming ITK. Just GTFOH. If you have any iota of shame left in you you'll quit mentioning me.

ODDVanguard:


Goodness gracious. No need perambulating. All you needed to have done was to cite a single instance of a Senate President 'ordering' anyone to appear before him like you so confidently asserted, kapish. No need for all these tales by moonlight b.s.. I knew you all along that you are just another loudmouthed ignoramus forming ITK. Just GTFOH. If you have any iota of shame left in you you'll quit mentioning me.

Obviously a lunatic here. Can someone tame this narcissist before he kills his wife or girlfriend ? This is how they begin. If you are stalking me as you opined, the you must have known my pedigree and credentials. I dont back out and I dont bark. I bite. Shall we begin ?

I asserted that Senate President is more powerful than a mere party chieftain. And you are here mentally masturbating. What a cacophony. Do I have time to chat with a lesser human ? Hell No! I am chatting because there are other Nairalanders that are going to gain from my exposition. It is not for you, cos you are a lost case.

The Senate President is number 3 citizen. More powerful than any party chieftain. Even if the Senate President is a 20yrs old boy, and the party chieftain is 70yrs old. Even if the Senate President is less wealthy and the party chieftain is more wealthy. The problem with you is poverty, when you see Tinubu you adore him cos in your narcissistic mind, he is someone you wanna be like. Start with selling crack.

No need to get cocky.

I admit 'use' is strong word. What I meant is that Tinubu has a more diverse network of players to work with so as to achieve his goals. On paper as you have said, Saraki is more powerful being a member of the triumvirate. However Bola Tinubu is a major force in the grand scheme of things, I believe his end game is the total independence of Lagos.

Both men have been governors. After his tenure, Tinubu used his Lagos loot to colonize states like Osun, Ogun and Oyo (although they are currently in rebellion), Saraki's loot only goes as far as Kogi, Benue with major allies in Niger state. Don't forget Sarahi was born into a rising dynasty he helped cement.

Saraki is the king of North Central viz a viz middle belt politics at the moment. Bola is the Sheriff of SW politics.

Also consider that , Bukola comes from more conservative political environment, dissenting is not permitted, Dino cannot rebel against Bukola because where will he go? But the SW has 50 Tinubus in waiting should he (Tinubu) ever try being autocratic. Bukola can probably decide who can be governor alone, Tinubu can't do that as proven in his previous attempts.

In the end it's a win win situation for them both, but for me, I respect Asiwaju's grand ambition.

Billyonaire:
You are a smart dude but you are not correct. From your statement "Tinubu can 'use' his 'boys' to 'frustrate'." These words on inverted commas have no place in Politics. Yes, in real politics. So, now I understand how the minds of political zombies actually work (no offence). The discourse on the thread is about the person that is 'more powerful' politically. Politically speaking, not 'thuggishly' or 'manipulatively' speaking, the Senate Presidency is higher than Chairmanship of PDP, APC, etc. Sherrif of PDP faction and Oyegun are politically below the status of Senate President Bukola Saraki. I am not holding brief for Saraki, I dont know the guy personally, I dont think I like or dislike him. But based on our constitution and that of the United States and I know Politics in both countries as I know the size of my dickk. Anyone on the seat of a Senate Presidency has more political power than even the BOT chairman of any political party. I repeat, the Senate Presidency, is superior to leadership of any Political Party.

The reason is very simple. Senate President is NUMBER 3 Citizen of the country. President being Number 1 and Vice President being number 2. Tinubu's number in citizenship is unknown to me and to you. He is politically relevant, but he is politically lesser than Senate Presidency. He can not even be invited for the National Security Briefings.

You sound like a nice guy, so I will follow up with your debate as long as you stay civil.

Babatundecash:
did you go through the Nigeria constitution or are you a poor student of thought.....in the scheme of things the President and vice president comes before the sen.President and speaker house of rep.

Yeah constitutionally, and I am glad u said so, bt in reality u nd I know that the V. P is more or less like a spare tyre and he is a nobody if the president is not magnanimous in his dealings with him bt on the other hand the Senate president and Speaker re an important part of governance, they can make or break a sitting president if they decide to, there re clear cut boundaries in their dealings with the each other and if a president wants quick passages of bills then he has to do give and take with these two.

The Secretary of Government and Chief of staff,Aso Rock re even more relevant politically than the V. P...

Billyonaire:


Obviously a lunatic here. Can someone tame this narcissist before he kills his wife or girlfriend ? This is how they begin. If you are stalking me as you opined, the you must have known my pedigree and credentials. I dont back out and I dont bark. I bite. Shall we begin ?

I asserted that Senate President is more powerful than a mere party chieftain. And you are here mentally masturbating. What a cacophony. Do I have time to chat with a lesser human ? Hell No! I am chatting because there are other Nairalanders that are going to gain from my exposition. It is not for you, cos you are a lost case.

The Senate President is number 3 citizen. More powerful than any party chieftain. Even if the Senate President is a 20yrs old boy, and the party chieftain is 70yrs old. Even if the Senate President is less wealthy and the party chieftain is more wealthy. The problem with you is poverty, when you see Tinubu you adore him cos in your narcissistic mind, he is someone you wanna be like. Start with selling crack.

Punk shut the fvck up and quit funking up my mention! You made a statement you couldn't even back up with facts and when called out to present evidence instead of swallowing your pride and admit that you goofed you're here still talking crap to save face. Shove all this your nonsensical speech up your arse, you shameless lout.

No, Bola Tinubu is a mere tribal foreman.

naijalander:
No need to get cocky.

I admit 'use' is strong word. What I meant is that Tinubu has a more diverse network of players to work with so as to achieve his goals.[b] On paper as you have said, Saraki is more powerful being a member of the triumvirate. [/b]However Bola Tinubu is a major force in the grand scheme of things, I believe his end game is the total independence of Lagos.

Both men have been governors. After his tenure, Tinubu used his Lagos loot to colonize states like Osun, Ogun and Oyo (although they are currently in rebellion), Saraki's loot only goes as far as Kogi, Benue with major allies in Niger state. Don't forget Sarahi was born into a rising dynasty he helped cement.

Saraki is the king of North Central viz a viz middle belt politics at the moment. Bola is the Sheriff of SW politics.

Also consider that , Bukola comes from more conservative political environment, dissenting is not permitted, Dino cannot rebel against Bukola because where will he go? But the SW has 50 Tinubus in waiting should he (Tinubu) ever try being autocratic. Bukola can probably decide who can be governor alone, Tinubu can't do that as proven in his previous attempts.

In the end it's a win win situation for them both, but for me, I respect Asiwaju's grand ambition.

I didnt read all, I will come back to read it. But the bolded is all I am interested on. I have no time for sentiments or who has a thug or mercenary under his squad.

ODDVanguard:


Punk shut the fvck up and quit funking up my mention! You made a statement you couldn't even back up with facts and when called out to present evidence instead of swallowing your pride and admit that you goofed you're here still talking crap to save face. Shove all this your nonsensical speech up your arse, you shameless lout.

Been chatting with a kid in a mother's basement.

Solowande:
Tinubu don become senate presido 4 he life once?

hahahhaa childrean will not stop making elders laugh,


Anyim Pius Anyim

Adolphus Wabara

Ken Nnamani

David Mark

Those are former Senate President and where are they today? None of them can command 1/10 of the follwers of Tinubu...

DrDope:
TINUBU is no match for SARAKI
The difference is crystal clear, visible to the blind and audible to the deaf.
Remember, a child can have more clothes than an elder
But he can never have more rags than an elder

hahahhaa childrean will not stop making elders laugh,


Anyim Pius Anyim

Adolphus Wabara

Ken Nnamani

David Mark

Those are former Senate President and where are they today? None of them can command 1/10 of the follwers of Tinubu...

kettle84:
A common ward chairman is more powerful and popular than TINUBU. TINUBU has lost relevance and respect in the APC and old age is telling on him greatly. the man should go and sit down and stop denigrating himself further with his past and expired glory.

hahahhaa childrean will not stop making elders laugh,


Anyim Pius Anyim

Adolphus Wabara

Ken Nnamani

David Mark

Those are former Senate President and where are they today? None of them can command 1/10 of the follwers of Tinubu...



Even Fashola command more respect than Saraki politically.

FreeGlobe:

even dino melaye is more powerful than tinubu talk more of saraki

Hahahah joke of the New year hahha

Smart Adeyemi make such a big mistake of not joining APC then who is Dino Melaye.. Well Smart Adeyemi is now in APC and 2019 he will defeat melaye in Primary election that's where Tinubu is waiting for him... I hope he won't go and start begging sha..

APCmyheart:



hahahhaa childrean will not stop making elders laugh,


Anyim Pius Anyim

Adolphus Wabara

Ken Nnamani

David Mark

Those are former Senate President and where are they today? None of them can command 1/10 of the follwers of Tinubu...



Even Fashola command more respect than Saraki politically.

Did I hear you say Fashola the minister of darkness who is now hiding in shame after saying providing 24/7 power is not rocket science in 2015 is more respected than Saraki the senate president whom Buhari consults?

Biko bro leave trash for LAWMA.
Tinubu's political influence is history.

FreeGlobe:

This picture explains who is more powerful between the 2

LOL if you can read pictures very well you will see Tinubu staying at the back and Buhari still notice him and stretched his hand to shake him,

Good product don't need too much advertisement..

kettle84:
Did I hear you say Fashola the minister of darkness who is now hiding in shame after saying providing 24/7 power is not rocket science in 2015 is more respected than Saraki the senate president whom Buhari consults?

Biko bro leave trash for LAWMA.
Tinubu's political influence is history.

You are living in denial i guess, If not for PDP that are crying Muslim/Muslim tickiet Fashola is the preferable VP candidate, I tell you today if both men contest for Presidency Fashola will flog the hell out of Saraki...

Jokerman:


How many votes did Tinubu give Buhari??..

Moreover are you comparing an ex-president with a local champion??

Buharo contested 3 times without winning, Even in 2011 Buhari tried to merge with ACN but not much time...


In Tinubu single handedly went to persuade Buhari to contest and promise him he will win after Buhari has promise not to contest again...

Sorry you are still bitter about the 2015...

APCmyheart:



You are living in denial i guess, If not for PDP that are crying Muslim/Muslim tickiet Fashola is the preferable VP candidate, I tell you today if both men contest for Presidency Fashola will flog the hell out of Saraki...

it is evident that Fashola's glory came out of the incommensurate projects he did in Lagos which is far less the revenue generated .

His inefficiency in the power sector has further exposed him as ineffective in the face of challenges.

Saraki's influence in the senate and support from all over the country puts him ahead of Fashola .
remember that Fashola remains a product and subject of the denigrated TINUBU cabal.