decatalyst:
Do we even have technocrats/students of international relations and diplomacy on nairaland?

This is a good topic to brood on!

Let's relate ooo

I am a student of Intl. relations, and from my own perspective Obama is just trying to play the propaganda game. Throughout the hacking allegations no single evidence ax bin produced by d administration to support dere claims. Obama foreign policies are very dumb and in the words of Putin they are "kitchen diplomacy". He wants 2 play on Americas hatred for Russia 2 defend y d democrats lost woefully, therefore bringing up the conspiracy of the so called "Russia hacking"

fkdmods:


What is more important than personal experience? And yes he's right. Russia has nothing to offer the world. What do they have? It's own people want out of the country. Ok, you are are not using google but you are still using something close to it. I ask again, do you understand the politics in russia? They are like Nigeria with a revolving door of corrupt politicians and worse a more corrupt system of re election. The fact that you don't know this speaks volumes. And for your information, Russia has the highest number of nuclear warheads. It doesn't matter though. All you need is maybe ten to to twenty in order to destroy the whole world. Plus, you seem to have forgotten or don't know that Russia was the first country to invade afghanistan. Oya, start googling.

Why would i bother about other country's economic well being when i have mine to worry about. Our argument stemmed out of international diplomacy and wrangling between two world powers but you intentionally veered offpoint. You try too hard to sound to smart or educated, the harder you try the more you amuse me.

I see flaws in a system, i point them out. But you, your love for everythimg obama and uncle sam is so incurable that you are beginning to sound unintelligent. Since you delegated an assignment for me on russian invasion of afghanistan, for your own good get a book that is unbiased, undiluted and neutral about the cold war.

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fkdmods:


True Nigerian. You are used to chaos so why won't you like putin? You guys need to start exploring the outside world. Staying at home googling can never be the same thing with personal experience. When you do, you'll realize how Russians can't stand putin and looking for ways to get out of that crazy country. What world are we living in for God's sake where any normal person can confidently speak well of Russia.

first of all, Russians are very happy with Putin, he as more approval ratings than Obama, secondly every normal individual should speak well of Russia because life events is beyond what u watch on CNN and BBC, Obama supplied billon of arms 2 ISIS n nobody is questioning him because he is from d "righteous" USA, while Russia is fighting them endlessly in Syria and the best Obama could come up with is the humanitarian excuse, even when he is the source of the problem. Russia did not create any chaos, Obama did in order to pursue his interests in the middle east n north Africa. Russia is just providing solutions to his mistakes.

persius555:


Why would i bother about other country's economic well being when i have mine to worry about. Our argument stemmed out of international diplomacy and wrangling between two world powers but you intentionally veered offpoint. You try too hard to sound to smart or educated, the harder you try the more you amuse me.

I see flaws in a system, i point them out. But you, your love for everythimg obama and uncle sam is so incurable that you are beginning to sound unintelligent. Since you delegated an assignment for me on russian invasion of afghanistan, for your own good get a book that is unbiased, undiluted and neutral about the cold war.

You just nullified your own argument.

dopewoli:
first of all, Russians are very happy with Putin, he as more approval ratings than Obama, secondly every normal individual should speak well of Russia because life events is beyond what u watch on CNN and BBC, Obama supplied billon of arms 2 ISIS n nobody is questioning him because he is from d "righteous" USA, while Russia is fighting them endlessly in Syria and the best Obama could come up with is the humanitarian excuse, even when he is the source of the problem. Russia did not create any chaos, Obama did in order to pursue his interests in the middle east n north Africa. Russia is just providing solutions to his mistakes.

Lol. True nairalander. Say anything to further their own argument even if they have zero experience on the issue.

Zoharariel:
What would our world be like without heroes? Any one who stands up against the tyranny of the Anglo-Zionist empire is seen & worshiped as a hero.

The late Indonesian President - Sukarno yelled publicly at the Amerikan Ambassador: To hell with you & your aid - and the CIA overthrew him in 1966.

Hugo Chavez of Venezuela defined George w. Bush as a donkey - and the CIA killed him in 2013.

Rodrigo Duterte of the Philippines defined Obama as son of a p.rostitute - and the CIA is still plotting to kill him.

Julian Assange pulled Killary Clinton's skirt up - and Trump became the 45th.

Vladimirovich Putin fvcked Amerika & her allies in the ass in Syria - and Obama is acting like a sissy

God bless ur wisdom bro, it high time people know that USA is d demon in an angelic attire

Another Era of Cold War. Russia deserve what she got. But I blame America, while Russia protects her hackers and use them for covet operations, America jails her hackers and promote the use of guns to invade sovereign states and overthrow governments.

Let them fight, we will watch with a beer in our left hand and cigar in our right hand. E no concern us.

dermmy:


I'm not a fan of Vladimir Putin but he is the leader the russians need fot now coz he's the only one who can face US and its NATO thugs. US wants to weaken and destabilize Russia. Russia is the only country that can turn the United States to dust within 24hrs so they can't live with that and they fear the resurgence of russia thats why they are using economic sanction as a tool to stop Russia from expanding and modernizing its military and russia needs money to expand its military.

bro I wish 2 know u n give u a hug for your wisdom.

persius555:


Why do you keep mentioning google on your post. There are other reliabl mediums people get information other than !!!!GOOOGLE!!!! You pick on the russian people and the govt and compare it to a poorly developed african country and you think that is fair? Did you see obama"s facial expression when he insulted russia. He tried to ridicule a country by saying "Russia has nothing to offer the world except Arms and Crude Oil.

Who has the highest number of nuclear war heads in the world.
Who is responsible for arming every jihadist group in the middle east?
Who is the first to invade a nation with a fledgling democracy, against the united nations charter?

God bless u bro, people are just blinded by US hypocrisy that Russia is branded the devil

I just don't get it.... sending the diplomats packing because of an accusation?.... Russia meddled with the elections results but you can't say how?.... and didn't they know this all along before Trump was declared winner? I think this is Obama and Hillary and the Republican war mongers getting at Putin because he successfully got the different factions in the Syrian conflict to reach a peace agreement....leaving the US out in the cold.

fkdmods:


You just nullified your own argument.

You are the one who has tried too hard to reduce this topic to the socio economic status of both nations. The Russians have too many things uncommon with the American society.It cannot withstand the American economy, but the truth is that there is nothing the American govt can do about Russia's influence in europe and middle east at large. It is the largest supplier of gas to europe. It shares more similarities with Europe than america does. I know for one that Russia, despite all of its adventurism has not caused massive immigration in europe as seen today.
In fact, it is helping to mitigate this disaster while Uncle Sam who is responsible for the mess, sits comfy thousands of miles away.

For heaven sake, who is the villain here?

dermmy:


I'm not a fan of Vladimir Putin but he is the leader the russians need fot now coz he's the only one who can face US and its NATO thugs. US wants to weaken and destabilize Russia. Russia is the only country that can turn the United States to dust within 24hrs so they can't live with that and they fear the resurgence of russia thats why they are using economic sanction as a tool to stop Russia from expanding and modernizing its military and russia needs money to expand its military.

Guy I don't know where you guys get this notion from that Russia is stronger than US. The US military is the most powerful military in the world by far more than any other country. Even Putin himself admitted it last year 2016.Check

www.businessinsider.com/r-putin-says-accepts-us-is-sole-superpower-dilutes-trump-praise-2016-6


https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jun/18/vladimir-putin-donald-trump-striking-america-superpower


mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSKCN0Z31G4

Count and compare their jets, submarines,war ships, .Have you heard about the world "MAD" which stand for "mutually assured distruction" When two nuclear capable countries are fighting both are surely going to harm each other. Russia will be able to destroy US under 24hrs by nuclear weapons ? Can't US do the same to them.In fact Russian ammunition are obsolete they only threaten with their Nuclear weapons because that's the only fearful thing they can threaten with.US has nuclear weapons that are still potent for decades without heavy servicing all in underground silos unlike Russia that needs to service theirs every decade.They have B2 Spirit bomber jet for nuclear bombing by air,the look of that jet alone is trilling. They have submarines that are nuclear capable.It means if Russia attacks them by Nuclear bombs they have three means air,land and water to retaliate.

Do your research US has the best fighter jet in the world ,the F-22 Raptor operational and continuously upgraded since 2005 na now Russia still dey struggle with theirs or is it the new one they co-sponsored to build with mostly NATO countries the F-35 lightning II.Have you heard about the Tomahawk bomb with great precision.Is it their newly upgraded anti missile defence system called "THAAD" that neutralise 98% of incoming missiles.Do you know how many air craft carriers warship US has compare it with the others.In fact the only country that have even used the nuclear bomb in war is the US ,talking about the weaker bomb ,the atomic bomb in the second world war.It was dropped in two cities in Japan,Hiroshima and Nagasaki. I have heard Obama before addressing the press ,he starts with "as president of the most powerful nation in the world" He isn't really joking.Even Putin admitted it this year.

However nuclear bomb is the worst thing that humans has ever built.It has the power to end the human race.It's an ugly weapon.No country should have it at all it's evil

Originalsly:
I just don't get it.... sending the diplomats packing because of an accusation?.... Russia meddled with the elections results but you can't say how?.... and didn't they know this all along before Trump was declared winner? I think this is Obama and Hillary and the Republican war mongers getting at Putin because he successfully got the different factions in the Syrian conflict to reach a peace agreement....leaving the US out in the cold.

I can bet, Nigeria would have handled this case better than Obama's government did. America will not produce evidence because it is equally guilty of hacking into other country's system. No country spies other country's like America does. Ask the Isrealis and Germans

Realist1:


Guy I don't know where you guys get this notion from that Russia is stronger than US. The US military is the most powerful military in the world by far more than any country.Count and comare their jets, submarines,war ships, .Have you heard about the world "MAD" which stand for "mutually assured distruction" When two nuclear capable countries are fighting both are surely going to harm each other. Russia will be able to destroy US under 24hrs by nuclear weapons ? Can't US do the same to them.In fact Russian ammunition are obsolete they only threaten with their Nuclear weapons because that's the only fearful thing they can threaten with.US has nuclear weapons that are still potent for decades without heavy servicing all in underground silos unlike Russia that needs to service theirs every decade.They have B2 Spirit bomber jet for nuclear bombing by air,the look of that jet alone is trilling. They have submarines that are nuclear capable.It means if Russia attacks them by Nuclear bombs they have three means air,land and water to retaliate.

Do your research US has the best fighter jet in the world ,the F-22 Raptor or is it the new one they co-sponsored to build with mostly NATO countries the F-35 lightning II.Have you heard about the Toma-Hawk bomb with great precision.Is their newly upgraded anti missile defence system called "THAAD" that neutralise 98% of incoming missiles.Do you know how many air craft carriers warship US has compare it with the others.In fact the only country that have even used the nuclear bomb in war is the US ,talking about the weaker bomb ,the atomic bomb in the second world war.It was dropped in two cities in Japan,Hiroshima and Nagasaki. I have heard Obama before addressing the press start with "as president of the most powerful nation nation the world" He isn't really joking

However nuclear bomb is the worst thing that humans has ever built.It has the power to end the human race.It's an ugly weapon.No country should have it at all it's evil

You know that was how the media kept singing that Russia has obsolet technology etc until shit hit the fans and they are crying that Russia hacked the US election with same "obsolet" technology.

When Russia started sending troops to Syria the US media was paroting the exact things you listed up there, how Russia obsolet military technology and improvish economy will get in their way of winning the Syrian war for Assad. Today we are both witnesses how that pans out.

I am during second world war Germany thought that they were unstoppable , bro the rest is history.

persius555:


You are the one who has tried too hard to reduce this topic to the socio economic status of both nations. The Russians have too many things uncommon with the American society.It cannot withstand the American economy, but the truth is that there is nothing the American govt can do about Russia's influence in europe and middle east at large. It is the largest supplier of gas to europe. It shares more similarities with Europe than america does. I know for one that Russia, despite all of its adventurism has not caused massive immigration in europe as seen today.
In fact, it is helping to mitigate this disaster while Uncle Sam who is responsible for the mess, sits comfy thousands of miles away.

For heaven sake, who is the villain here?

You don't understand your own country but you know so much about places you never been nor lived. No country one earth is perfect but the livability is what matters. How anyone can compare Russia with America is mind boggling to say the least. Do honestly think if it were Russia Trump would be president elect? As flawed as America is, what makes them the greatest country in the world is the fact that they have systems in places that guarantees to a certain level liberties. Have you been to the Baltics? Go there and i promise you will not have the opinion of Russia you have now. You guys just stay glued to your computers and think you know everything about the world. Go out. Explore and your perception will change permanently. I promise you.

idupaul:


Don't worry it will be 8 years of peace because there will be no Obama to fund and Islamic terrorist group or look the other way while they kill

Please can yo clarify this statement of yours.

You guys don't know international politics. Putin is trying to reestablish the okd soviet union-like Russia, but all the old republics are now western allies except Ukraine, and even then Ukraine started turning towards the west, their last remaining ally from the former soviet union, Putin went beserk amd now he is fighting for just a part of Ukraine.
Syria is the only foreing seaport Russia has, compared to US that has bases all over the world. Even that Syria, the US instigated trouble there and is trying to take it away from Russia.
US sanctions is killing Russian economy. So Putin is using gra gra to feel tough. Bc the long term politics, US is srewing Russia and it's not just Obama, it's US state department regardless of who is POTUS.

hungryboy:
Pathetic Obama,
Putin showed him who is Boss by not retaliating
Thank God his 8yrs of destruction and hypocrisy is soon going to be over

Height of ignorance.

Okeyson4wisdom:
what do u know? Try to be spiritual and read ur bible. Pray in this scripture ephesians 1 vs 17 to 19

Don't be vague
Type your side of the argument and stop with the scriptural bulshit

toshmann:
You guys don't know international politics. Putin is trying to reestablish the okd soviet union-like Russia, but all the old republics are now western allies except Ukraine, and even then Ukraine started turning towards the west, their last remaining ally from the former soviet union, Putin went beserk amd now he is fighting for just a part of Ukraine.
Syria is the only foreing seaport Russia has, compared to US that has bases all over the world. Even that Syria, the US instigated trouble there and is trying to take it away from Russia.
US sanctions is killing Russian economy. So Putin is using gra gra to feel tough. Bc the long term politics, US is srewing Russia and it's not just Obama, it's US state department regardless of who is POTUS.

Wahlahi...
You sabi

Absolutly...

hungryboy:
Pathetic Obama,
Putin showed him who is Boss by not retaliating

Realist1:



Guy I don't know where you guys get this notion from that Russia is stronger than US. The US military is the most powerful military in the world by far more than any country. Even Putin himself admitted it last year 2016.Check

www.businessinsider.com/r-putin-says-accepts-us-is-sole-superpower-dilutes-trump-praise-2016-6


https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jun/18/vladimir-putin-donald-trump-striking-america-superpower


mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSKCN0Z31G4

Count and comare their jets, submarines,war ships, .Have you heard about the world "MAD" which stand for "mutually assured distruction" When two nuclear capable countries are fighting both are surely going to harm each other. Russia will be able to destroy US under 24hrs by nuclear weapons ? Can't US do the same to them.In fact Russian ammunition are obsolete they only threaten with their Nuclear weapons because that's the only fearful thing they can threaten with.US has nuclear weapons that are still potent for decades without heavy servicing all in underground silos unlike Russia that needs to service theirs every decade.They have B2 Spirit bomber jet for nuclear bombing by air,the look of that jet alone is trilling. They have submarines that are nuclear capable.It means if Russia attacks them by Nuclear bombs they have three means air,land and water to retaliate.

Do your research US has the best fighter jet in the world ,the F-22 Raptor operational and continuously upgraded since 2005 na now Russia still dey struggle with theirs or is it the new one they co-sponsored to build with mostly NATO countries the F-35 lightning II.Have you heard about the Toma-Hawk bomb with great precision.Is their newly upgraded anti missile defence system called "THAAD" that neutralise 98% of incoming missiles.Do you know how many air craft carriers warship US has compare it with the others.In fact the only country that have even used the nuclear bomb in war is the US ,talking about the weaker bomb ,the atomic bomb in the second world war.It was dropped in two cities in Japan,Hiroshima and Nagasaki. I have heard Obama before addressing the press ,he starts with "as president of the most powerful nation in the world" He isn't really joking.Even Putin admitted it this year.

However nuclear bomb is the worst thing that humans has ever built.It has the power to end the human race.It's an ugly weapon.No country should have it at all it's evil

Guy, diplomacy is what wins wars nowadays not the tech.. The US with all the raptors has been losing wars most recently. ... Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan,... even the Korean war was sought of pyrrich victory... you know the Dmz.... and those fancy equipments like the f35 job in mordern warfare can be done by basic fighter jets
yeah US is the most powerful But Russia rustles their jimmies.

Seems some people watch too much Hollywood movies (I do) and it's affected logical reasoning. The US always makes it look like it's the world against them.
Why is Obama bleating and being a sissy.We all know how the US scrutinizes the world tech wise via hacking and and co.
I'd always pick a Russian setting over US cos the lies and conspiracies are just too numerous.
Look at what's happening in Syria.

woodcook:


You know that was how the media kept singing that Russia has obsolet technology etc until shit hit the fans and they are crying that Russia hacked the US election with same "obsolet" technology.

When Russia started sending troops to Syria the US media was paroting the exact things you listed up there, how Russia obsolet military technology and improvish economy will get in their way of winning the Syrian war for Assad. Today we are both witnesses how that pans out.

I am during second world war Germany thought that they were unstoppable , bro the rest is history.

Who did Russia fight in Syria is it not ISIS with seriously untrained fighters that are not up to 50 thousand fighters. Don't mistake lack of fear of death with proper military training.It is obvious Russia will win the war. ISIS was even fighting with weapons US left behind for Iraq army when they left.
Russia has no right to manipulate that US election because US does not manipulate theirs.The FBI and CIA has proof of that of course,however Trump wants to befriend Putin by all means by even discrediting FBI and CIA that previous presidents have relied on their findings. Trump sucks that's all.

buffalowings:


Guy, diplomacy is what wins wars nowadays not the tech.. The US with all the raptors has been losing wars most recently. ... Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan,... even the Korean war was sought of pyrrich victory... you know the Dmz.... and those fancy equipments like the f35 job in mordern warfare can be done by basic fighter jets
yeah US is the most powerful But Russia rustles their jimmies.

You think so,well as far as I know the US has never lost a war.As for terrorism, I don't think the war against terrorism will be fully won as far as there are still Muslims in this world am afraid.Even the once good Muslims turn bad at some time.As for the F-35 it will be insane for US and its allies to waste over 400 Billion dollars on a jet that common jet fighters will do the same job .I beg to differ on that and I pray you are joking.

This is the biggest mistake Obama's administration has made.....

It simply shows that he is a weak man.....

MONITZ:



Bt Putin is no noise maker, if it's true that the Russians actually manipulated the American elections then it means Putin is da boss and Americans re only good at making noise and bullying weaker countries. Y didn't Obomber Commander In Chief of The Armed Forces President Obama act like a man all these while instead of waiting till the eleventh hour, he is all of a sudden tryna be a cow in a China ware shop or a mad man holding a lighter in a Gas Station.He had all the time in the world bt decided to pussyfoot.Karma is indeed a bitch...

"...at a time and place of our chosen...."

toshmann:
You guys don't know international politics. Putin is trying to reestablish the okd soviet union-like Russia, but all the old republics are now western allies except Ukraine, and even then Ukraine started turning towards the west, their last remaining ally from the former soviet union, Putin went beserk amd now he is fighting for just a part of Ukraine.
Syria is the only foreing seaport Russia has, compared to US that has bases all over the world. Even that Syria, the US instigated trouble there and is trying to take it away from Russia.
US sanctions is killing Russian economy. So Putin is using gra gra to feel tough. Bc the long term politics, US is srewing Russia and it's not just Obama, it's US state department regardless of who is POTUS.

They think it's Nigeria where new government wipes the slate clean and start all over every time.

The only one other thing Mr. Obama could have done to titillate me even more was to give the dreamers citizenship but alas he doesn't have the authority by law.

dermmy:
a country that spends billions of dollars on cyber security every year couldn't secure a simple mail server. If truly Russia was behind the hack that means russia is the boss.

I understand your sentiment here dermmy but if you look at the hacking realistically, it isn't a big deal that they hacked the Democratic National Congress Servers, Snowdens Hacking of the NSA is more like it. As far as I m concerned, USA still has the best cyber security. RUSSIA should try and break DOD firewalls or HACK the NSA or NORAD then I will believe that RUSSIA is the boss and then I can assure you of a greater retaliation from the Yanks.

EbolaParasite:


So because he is black, he has to specifically satisfy BLACKS?
He is the president of America and not the president of BLACK AMERICA.

Yes to some degree he is the president of Black America because they voted for him enmasse, also we don't know when another black man might have a short at the white house in the future and lastly, charity begins at home. But in fairness to Obama, I think he did his best for the black community.

persius555:
Obama's administration in conjuction with its NATO allies underestimated this putin guy. Right from the days of KREMLIN and chechyen, he has shown exceptional qualities in winning these tiny wars and battles to the admiration of the russian citizens. This is the leadership quality that the soviets has lacked for years. He has been able to avoid confrontations with his fellow counterparts in other parts of the world (turkey comes to mind).

Obama was able to cow his allies and fellow countrymen with his orator skills. Putin on the other hand, despite his poor mishandling of the russian economy ( partly caused by the obama administration) is that leader who is hardly swayed by rhetoric. He knows when to strike (surgically) with maximum efficiency. Kremlin occupation, Intervention in the syria crisis, successfully striking a deal with the OPEC countries and alleged role the russian govt played in influencing the voting pattern in the American election. All these could be attributed to the skills and intelligence gathered from his early days as a former KGB Agent.

Putin might not be a good economist, in fact he sucks in this area but when it comes to international diplomacy and relationship, obama could learn a lot from him. Watch the way he rallies russia former enemies, makes friend with everyone with ease. His qualities are just exceptional. By the way, some of trump's elected cabinet members are very good friends to putin.

Obama's rush to expel the russian diplomats just shows how feeble and petty his administration has been. He has only suceeded in putting the incoming trump administration in a quagmire. Moscow has repeatedly denied involvement in the hack, the same way china denied the SONY hack.

I m asking because I m not sure but was it China that Hacked Sony or North Korea?