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joseph1013:
Sometimes ehn...I will read some comments and will have typed a response only for me to delete it. Na to laugh throw away face for some comments. There is none greater than Lord Pep!

joseph1013:
Let me ask you: What special thing is Guardiola doing with this team that has been unheard of in the EPL? Frankly, I have not seen much improvement in Kelechi's game. Watch Kelechi in Pelegrini's games vs Pep's games, and clearly you see that he made more progress all-round last season. All this praise for Pep in Kelechi when there is not much to show for it baffles me.

goldfish80:
I think Ihenacho's pressing is exaggerated. Not when I watch Sanchez press and tackle defenders you mention kelechi and phenomenominal pressing, I scratch my head.

By the way, Kelechi is just 20. At his young age, if he does not have the energy to press then we have a problem.

Kelechi skipped a part of his development if you ask me. I believe he should have started out on the wings before gradually ending up as a striker if that's his destiny.

Young players often develop faster when they start out on the wings.
From Henry, C. Ronaldo, Messi, Van persie name them, they started out developing from the wings. The advantage is that players develop to be better athletes, runners and polish their dribbling skills when they start on the wings.

Mbappe, Dembele, Dybala. Neymar, Martial are examples of modern wide forwards who will later make a switch and transform into out of this world strikers. Iheanacho should have been mentioned in the same sentence as these guys if Man city took another route in his development.

Mickael2:
Guy did you just type this?! Rashfraud is better than Nacho?! do you know why Rashfraud is no longer playing at Manchester? because he isn't as versatile as people said, his output as a midfielder is poor, his favoured position is as a top striker and when it comes to choosing between Nacho and Rasford as a striker oga there is no comparison there. if you were to choose between Nacho and Rashford as a support striker, no comparison there too, Nacho hands down. apart from that LMF position where else is Rashford better than Nacho?!

krattoss:
now tell me... irrespective of what and what not the team lacks.. if u are giving iheanacho and rashford to pick one who will u pick.... sentiments apart..

krattoss:
can nacho take on a player one on one?


u said rashford ain't getting play-in time... did u watch rashford against westham?

dude was all over creswell or whoever?..
skills? pace... speed....

I repeat and I insist... nacho is no way near rashford..

TheGoodJoe:

WA Lai. I will take Iheanacho any day any time. I prefer Iheanacho wella.

joseph1013:
How you cannot see how certain critical things are being coached out of Kelechi leaves me stunned. Go ahead and watch the U17, EDS and City pre-season games, and you will see a player who could lay the passes, wriggle around and who players look up to play them into games. That's gone now. City is only interested in him scoring goals and nothing more. When Pep emphasized the goal-scoring part in one of his interviews, I knew the game was up. And that's why when he doesnt score, Pep quickly removes him and put in someone else.

Pellegrini never did that. He gave him minutes when there was no other option. People could say that Pelegrini preferred Bony and that's true, but when he had no other striker options, he always trusted Kelechi. Not so for Pep...even with no other striker available, Pep prefers a winger to Kelechi...and on occasions he plays Kelechi as we saw in the last game, he has not patience when he does not deliver the only thing he expects from him.

krattoss:
ok I concur to u'r preference...

but a poll will definitely do the job..

I hope any sports organization conducts a poll one day on this...

I can't convince u more neither can u convince me any further...

so everyone to his own..

TheGoodJoe:

When people like you write this, I scratch my head. Please, did Ronaldo De Lima start out on the wings? What of Nicolas Anelka. Na wa.

So, when Iheanacho presses more than all the Super Eagles players and maybe more than all the City players, that is not phenomenal. See who you are calling. Sanchez who played, if I am correct, under Bielsa, a high pressing coach. Plays for Sampaoli, another pressing coach. Someone who played under Guardiola at Barcelona.

Argument.

joseph1013:
How you cannot see how certain critical things are being coached out of Kelechi leaves me stunned. Go ahead and watch the U17, EDS and City pre-season games, and you will see a player who could lay the passes, wriggle around and who players look up to play them into games. That's gone now. City is only interested in him scoring goals and nothing more. When Pep emphasized the goal-scoring part in one of his interviews, I knew the game was up. And that's why when he doesnt score, Pep quickly removes him and put in someone else.

Pellegrini never did that. He gave him minutes when there was no other option. People could say that Pelegrini preferred Bony and that's true, but when he had no other striker options, he always trusted Kelechi. Not so for Pep...even with no other striker available, Pep prefers a winger to Kelechi...and on occasions he plays Kelechi as we saw in the last game, he has not patience when he does not deliver the only thing he expects from him.

goldfish80:
Your obsession about Lord Pep is getting out hand. You have mastered a trick where you attribute everything good in football to Lord Pep. At U20 in 07, Sanchez almost pressed us out of the pitch in Canada.
Against Algeria, Iheanacho pressed the Fenecs more than Etebo, Moses? What are you smoking bra?

goldfish80:
Your obsession about Lord Pep is getting out hand. You have mastered a trick where you attribute everything good in football to Lord Pep. At U20 in 07, Sanchez almost pressed us out of the pitch in Canada.
Against Algeria, Iheanacho pressed the Fenecs more than Etebo, Moses? What are you smoking bra?

TheGoodJoe:

A poll will put Matic over Mikel any day but I rate Mikel higher. Matic leaves too much gaps and I am not carried away with his elegant shows. Matic waste passes with some unnecessary risky passes.

So if you go to the polls, that will not answer the question. I have my view of the game. I remember when I was saying Iwobi was a ten. Few listened. That is how I view the game. Go to the thread when people asked if Zidane will be a success. Many said Fry pan to fire for Real Madrid.

I was one of the few, if not the only that saod Zidane will excel. One of the few that said sack Rijkaard for Guardiola. So, I am not carried away by polls. I watch and judge.

TheGoodJoe:

Take on a player. He asked a simple question CF/SS. Iheanacho is clearly better.

TheGoodJoe:


If I remember well, is it not Argentina that removed Chile with Aguero and Morales. Men Chile 07 were back foot in that game.

The pressing I know is from Bielsa. I did not attribute Sanchez pressing to Guardiola. That came after with more education. Then later Sampaoli. What I am saying, Sanchez has a lifetime of education and training to press better than Iheanacho.

TheGoodJoe:


Iheanacho pressed better than Etebo and Moses. If you argue that, you will expose how out of touch you are in the debate. Iheanacho repeatedly called on them to keep up and they could not.

Sanchez was not as good as he is at pressing today than before. Even at River Plate, he played some games on the wings. At Udinesse, Di Natalie lead the line. Which kind 07?is it not Nigeria that Chile parked bus until late in the game. Na wa.

krattoss:
u know why I prefer polls... cos u can judge based on u'r perspective only... and that might differ from others... so u thinking urs is the one and only might not really work out for others...

so polls gives us what the majority thinks and majority they say carries the vote...

goldfish80:
Really? In the Algeria game Iheanacho pressed more than any other player? By this statement, it could be interpreted that Iheanacho covered more KM than any other super Eagles player.
He covered more kilometres than Mikel, Moses, Etebo, Onazi?

You're lucky opta doesn't cover Nigerian games, I would have shown you up on this argument.

joseph1013:
How you cannot see how certain critical things are being coached out of Kelechi leaves me stunned. Go ahead and watch the U17, EDS and City pre-season games, and you will see a player who could lay the passes, wriggle around and who players look up to play them into games. That's gone now. City is only interested in him scoring goals and nothing more. When Pep emphasized the goal-scoring part in one of his interviews, I knew the game was up. And that's why when he doesnt score, Pep quickly removes him and put in someone else.

Pellegrini never did that. He gave him minutes when there was no other option. People could say that Pelegrini preferred Bony and that's true, but when he had no other striker options, he always trusted Kelechi. Not so for Pep...even with no other striker available, Pep prefers a winger to Kelechi...and on occasions he plays Kelechi as we saw in the last game, he has not patience when he does not deliver the only thing he expects from him.

goldfish80:
The game we played against Chile in 07, I still remember the details well.
Our coach Ladan Bosu goofed big time in that game. He watched the Chileans who were quicker and sharper inject very quick players in the second half and sustained the pressure. What did Ladan Bosu do? He left a weary team on their own, till the 80+minute to make his first change.
Immediately the game went into extra time, our players couldn't live with the Chileans.
Players like Monday James was so tired that he could barely stand in his feet. We ended up conceeding 4 in the extra time alone.

Even at the 2000 Olympics, the Chileans with Zamarano and Salas pressed us out of the pitch in the 4:1 whipping.

Icon4s:
I don't agree with this statement.

Players (strikers in particular) have their off days.

Though I also agree he is under pressure.

You can't say because he missed two glaring chances that he has regressed or is regressing. Are goal keepers there for decoration?
That aside, Iheanacho was a new boy to the premier league last season and he shocked most pundits even himself. Defenders have now gotten wary of him. You don't expect them to give him plenty of breathing space any more.

The thing is it is even the Nigerian fans that are the ones putting Iheanacho under pressure more than any others.

Alex Iwobi had a series of poor outings with the climax of scoring an equalizing own-goal against PSG in the UCL. None of you here said he should go on loan.

Kelechi Iheanacho is doing quite fine for me. I totally disagree with Owen on the 'regression' issue.

If Owen says Iheanacho has regressed what will he say of Martial and Rashford?

Iheanacho should stay at ManCity and fight to keep his position. That will bring out the best in him. If Pep feels Gabriel Jesus would replace Iheanacho let us see the Gabriel Jesus start playing first.

For some years now we have decried the lack of Nigerian players in top clubs. We have one there now and you say he should go on loan to where? Somebody even mentioned Watford.

tbaba1234:
He now claims that starting him was a mistake.. Pellegrini gave the boy confidence.. Pep is killing it... That is why a loan move is not bad..

tbaba1234:
Kelechi is not just having an off-day. The coach is not willing to give him a chance even when Aguero is out. A period on loan as the main man somewhere will boost his game and confidence, preparing him for the kind of fight, he needs to make at man city.

Kelechi is not the finished article, he needs games to refine the weak elements of his game. We want the best for him, even if it does not happen at Man city.

TheGoodJoe:


How can pressing be cover more distance? Na wa. It is not the same thing. Pressing happens when the opponents have the ball. Most times in the defensive zone. The attacking players press them and make it uncomfortable to hold the ball.

Distance covered happens when the team is in possession and not in possession. Tracking back, pressing, opening for passes, making runs etc. You can see they are different.

komekn:
It's very simple the EPL is the toughest and most physically demanding league in the world. Nearly every player who has come from the other continental leagues has to spend some time to beef up and be physically resilient

I really haven't seen Success have a consistent run of games to say conclusively he is " Head and shoulders above Ideye" I do feel he Ideye completely flopped in the EPL.

goldfish80:
Pressing is directly proportional to distance covered. Hard pressing teams like Barca, Dortmond, Liverpool etc cover incredible amount of kilometres.

If you say a player was phenomenal in pressing, it could be interpreted he covered between 10-12km in the game. Statistically.

tbaba1234:
Kelechi is not just having an off-day. The coach is not willing to give him a chance even when Aguero is out. A period on loan as the main man somewhere will boost his game and confidence, preparing him for the kind of fight, he needs to make at man city.

Kelechi is not the finished article, he needs games to refine the weak elements of his game. We want the best for him, even if it does not happen at Man city.

goldfish80:
Pressing is directly proportional to distance covered. Hard pressing teams like Barca, Dortmond, Liverpool etc cover incredible amount of kilometres.

If you say a player was phenomenal in pressing, it could be interpreted he covered between 10-12km in the game. Statistically.