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TheGoodJoe:

Mikel covers a lot of distance but he is not a pressing player.

goldfish80:
The Chelsea Mikel or the Super Eagles mikel?
The Chelsea Mikel is as stagnant as they come, he won't go past 4km in a game. The Super Eagles version runs and covers alot of distance and certainly presses very hard when paired with Joel Obi/sani Kaita and lately Onazi.

Mickael2:
Wanyama is not a Nigerian. meanwhile I can name others, people are different, I moved to Abia state for my Christmas holiday and I got sick because of the.change in weather but my elder brother didn't even catch a slight cold and we both live in Anambra though not the same LGA. if you are health inclined you'd never say what you just said

TheGoodJoe:

The distance covered also covers the distance during possession. While pressing has to deal with only when the opponents have the ball.

TheGoodJoe:

Mikel Obi during the World Cup covered loads of distance. Same with the AFCON. Do I need to spell everything out. Yet, he is not a pressing player. In games against Chelsea like the Champions League against Bayern Munich, he covered loads of distance, yet he was not pressing.

So pressing and distance covered are two different things.

Mikel, Emi Ni Baller.

goldfish80:
Where exactly is Mikel running to if he's not pressing?
Even at the Olympics, Mikel pressed very high up the pitch in all the games.
In one of the interviews published, he said the players look up to him and when they see their skipper running and pressing, they know they must toe the same line.
Am actually paraphrasing.

goldfish80:
Pressing have to do with when the opposition have the ball and the distance covered durring pressing adds up to a players performance index by miles /km covered.

If Iheanacho pressed more than any other SE player against Algeria, it should reflect on his distance covered durring the game which should be within the top 2 atleast in his team.
I know for sure Kelechi didn't cover up to 10km in that game.
It would be wrong to say he pressed more than every other player while you have more than 5 of his team mates who covered more distance than him.

Sanchez covers an average of 10. 0km per 90mins. And we all know how much he presses like a lunatic. Match that with Iheanacho's game against Algeria. I would be surprised if kelechi covered more than 7km.
Again, pressing is directly propotional to distance covered. There's no hidding place in the football pitch these days.

goldfish80:
Pressing have to do with when the opposition have the ball and the distance covered durring pressing adds up to a players performance index by miles /km covered.

If Iheanacho pressed more than any other SE player against Algeria, it should reflect on his distance covered durring the game which should be within the top 2 atleast in his team.
I know for sure Kelechi didn't cover up to 10km in that game.
It would be wrong to say he pressed more than every other player while you have more than 5 of his team mates who covered more distance than him.

Sanchez covers an average of 10. 0km per 90mins. And we all know how much he presses like a lunatic. Match that with Iheanacho's game against Algeria. I would be surprised if kelechi covered more than 7km.
Again, pressing is directly propotional to distance covered. There's no hidding place in the football pitch these days.

goldfish80:
Where exactly is Mikel running to if he's not pressing?
Even at the Olympics, Mikel pressed very high up the pitch in all the games.
In one of the interviews published, he said the players look up to him and when they see their skipper running and pressing, they know they must toe the same line.
Am actually paraphrasing.

goldfish80:
Where exactly is Mikel running to if he's not pressing?
Even at the Olympics, Mikel pressed very high up the pitch in all the games.
In one of the interviews published, he said the players look up to him and when they see their skipper running and pressing, they know they must toe the same line.
Am actually paraphrasing.

TheGoodJoe:


Oh, come on. It means you do not know what pressing is. When Mikel is not with ball, he moves to cover gaps and intercept ball. That is his style, not pressing.

goldfish80:
The bolded is actually the definition of gengenpressing.

Pressing is all about cutting passing lanes so that the player on the ball cannot pass the ball.
Another form of pressing is when you have 2 or 3 players simultaneously clustering on the player on the ball to force a turn over.
Bayern Leverkusen coach, Roger Schmidt is the king of gengenpressing these days. You will do well to read up on his application of pressing to understand better.
However, I know since he's not Guardiola you won't give a damn.

TheGoodJoe:
Pressing and distance covered are two different things. If you calculate the distance covered by Kolarov during the last match, is it pressing figures. Ha ba.

goldfish80:
The bolded is actually the definition of gengenpressing.

Pressing is all about cutting passing lanes so that the player on the ball cannot pass the ball.
Another form of pressing is when you have 2 or 3 players simultaneously clustering on the player on the ball to force a turn over.
Bayern Leverkusen coach, Roger Schmidt is the king of gengenpressing these days. You will do well to read up on his application of pressing to understand better.
However, I know since he's not Guardiola you won't give a damn.

goldfish80:
You can't talk about pressing without talking about distance covered. Pressing reflects on distance covered.
Jorgen Klops Dortmond team were renouned for their mad pressing style (gengenpressing), it reflects on their distance coverd. At a point stats had it that they covered 120km per game cumulatively.
Pressing reflects on Km, its elementary logic.

TheGoodJoe:

Another long epistle. The pressing you see Iheanacho and Sanchez doing. Pressing defenders and keepers to lose the ball, is it the pressing Mikel is doing?

No.

However, Mikel covers large distance on the field. The distance Mikel covers is when he is looking for gaps in the field and covering. Not when pressing.

goldfish80:
Pressing is not all about chasing after goalkeepers. I have defined pressing in my last post.

You will hardly find Ozil running after goalkeepers but I tell you what, that guy is a mad presser. He's on record to be the player with the most kilometres covered in the premiership over the last 2 seasons. He averages 10-11km per game.
What Ozil have mastered is the act of pressing and closing down passing lanes. Wenger said this himself in an interview.
Pressing is not all about running after goalkeepers TheGoodJoe.

TheGoodJoe:

You can argue the truth from today till tomorrow, you can not change it. Pressing has to do with when the opponents have the ball. You can not press when your team is with the ball. Total distance covered includes when a team is in possession and when the team is not in possession.

This is the truth. You can not change it. When Mikel runs to cover a gap. He is not pressing but he is covering distance. Simple thing, you are arguing.

goldfish80:
Pressing is not all about chasing after goalkeepers. I have defined pressing in my last post.

You will hardly find Ozil running after goalkeepers but I tell you what, that guy is a mad presser. He's on record to be the player with the most kilometres covered in the premiership over the last 2 seasons. He averages 10-11km per game.
What Ozil have mastered is the act of pressing and closing down passing lanes. Wenger said this himself in an interview.
Pressing is not all about running after goalkeepers TheGoodJoe.

goldfish80:
There's no way you can press without putting in the kilometres. You can take it to the bank.

TheGoodJoe:

What is pressing not running after goal keepers? Na wa. Did you read when I said Mikel pressed Xavi? Ha. Is Xavi a keeper to you?

I have seen it all.

TheGoodJoe:

I beg you, read now? Yara Yara is on his knees pleading.

Did you not read when I said that pressing happens when the opponent has the ball? Distance is covered there but the total distance covered by the player includes when his team also has the ball.

Is this so difficult to understand?

Eh. This was the beginning of this thing you want to drag. Ha ba.

goldfish80:
If you were a manager, and you want your players to gengen press, what training drills will you put your team through in training?
Please don't mention long distance running. Let's start from there

goldfish80:
No, the beginning was your statement that Iheanacho pressed more than any other player against Algeria.
I said that couldn't be possible because his so called pressing does not reflect on his km covered.
Abi he was pressing in a static position?

If other players put in twice the Kilometres he chalked in then he couldn't have pressed more than them.

TheGoodJoe:
Yara Yara, bring pen and paper. Goldfish80 is about to teach us how Iheanacho was gengen.. Gengen... What is that word?

Yara Yara: pressing.

Yes pressing Algeria. LOLS.

My friend, I do not get the relation of drills to gengen press in relation to Iheanacho pressing.

TheGoodJoe:
Take time to understand before arguing the point. I said, among the Super Eagles players, Iheanacho is the best at pressing.

You said you wish you could get distance covered stats to prove that Iheanacho did not press like others.

I said distance covered can not prove who was the best pressing because it contains other variables than pressing. Distance covered is not strictly on pressing.

Simple.

goldfish80:
I will rephrase the question.
If you were the manager of Man city and you want to build a pressing machine like team, how will you achieve that in drills if we discard long distance running.
I really want you to answer this question.

goldfish80:
Why is it that teams who are renouned for their pressing style cover more kilometres than other teams?

TheGoodJoe:

That is not all the distance they cover. Simple.

goldfish80:
Yet hard pressing teams cover more kilos than their opponents. That should tell you something.

goldfish80:
Yet hard pressing teams cover more kilos than their opponents. That should tell you something.