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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by enomakos(m): 3:44pm On Jan 05, 2017
BascoVanVeli:
Why would u say a thing like that? This Egypt is all about Salah. Serge Aurier shuts him down easily.
egypt is not a one man team
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by joseph1013: 3:45pm On Jan 05, 2017
Kog45:
I don't think there is need for us to be arguing unnecessarily.

I want us to drive our points from Algeria match.The match in question was world cup qualifying match against top rated Africa side,prior to d match three goalkeepers were invited namely Ikeme,Ezenwa and young Alampasu but Ikeme got injured and Akpeyi was called as a replacement and manned d post.

The question is this,why Akpeyi who was not on original list was picked ahead of Alampasu and Ezenwa.A lots of things were put into considerations that only Rohr can explain.I remember his explanation on why he needed to drop home based players for Algeria match,it is simple he said league was on break.This decision gave room for Alampssu ahead of Emma Daniel but based on experience Ezenwa was picked.

Alampasu might be d best in camp due to reports from camp which nobody can authorized coz i remember d camping of Sydney 2000 dream team in Ilorin in 1999.I was privileged to watch their training live.It was straight fight between d two keeper Greg Etafia and Dele Aiyenugba on who to be picked.The reports journalists were bringing out to d loving sporting Nigerians was different from what we are seen live.

Aiyenugba was jumping,punching,diving like a cat with spectators applauding but Etafia was well composed by reading his line very well,organized his defence and u see that maturity in him.At d end Etafia was picked by coach shaibu Amodu and d sport writers were saying Dele was d best.The same scenario played out between Yakubu Aiyegbeni and Idemudia,we thought Idemudia was d best but Aiyegbeni was picked coz in front of goals he was deadlier but Idemudia bunch of skills and delight to watch.

It was this period that i realized the difference between pundits and coaches.A lot happened in d camp that w don't know and one need to hear from d coach b4 one can question his decisions.

It was very glaring prior to Algeria match that Alampasu w not manned d post irrespective of his performance in d camp and it's simple,match of such magnitude wasn't for rookie especially a sensitive area(goalkeeping)
You have made too much sense.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 3:53pm On Jan 05, 2017
Kog45:
I got your point now,play the better player in camp irrespective of their experiences.

If Alampasu perform better than Ikeme,he should start,if Kenneth Otigba perform better than Leon in training he should start,if Madu show flashes in training,he should start ahead of Echiejele,if obiora nwankwo played like Olishe in training he should start ahead Ndidi and Onazi,Ajagun can come in and take Mikel place coz he replicate Messi in training,Osimieh can come in and take Nacho place coz he outshine Nacho in training.

My man with due respect,player selection has gone beyond this,a lot of criteria are put into considerations and that part of d consideration make Akpeyi to bench Alampasu.

To be candid Alampasu is coming to that stage when such consideration w not be a factor against him and we are all praying for that level.Do u remember Rufai,Agu and Agbonibavte era,this was d best era of Nigeria goal keeping,a coach can closed his eyes and pick any of d trio
Your last statement is my point and what I will keep hitting at. It was that view that landed Peter Rufai as the keeper for France98 and he was disastrous. His misjudged free kick of Hierro, his positioning behind the wall was nothing short of Amateurish. What I am talking about is after years of watching and seeing the same cycle repeating.

I do not want close eyes and know the best players. Football is dynamic and we need to keep the very best on their toes by letting them know that if they slip up, a younger one will take their place.

You keep screening. You keep watching out for the new talent who can threaten whoever is the so called best. If the coach is convinced, he can invite the promising players and test. Select the best and play.

We have to feel sure that most of our regular line ups are the best in each role. Not close our eyes and be sure.

Not the one Yakubu kept missing and kept his place because of his experience and Rep.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by enomakos(m): 3:53pm On Jan 05, 2017
Kog45:
I don't think there is need for us to be arguing unnecessarily.

I want us to drive our points from Algeria match.The match in question was world cup qualifying match against top rated Africa side,prior to d match three goalkeepers were invited namely Ikeme,Ezenwa and young Alampasu but Ikeme got injured and Akpeyi was called as a replacement and manned d post.

The question is this,why Akpeyi who was not on original list was picked ahead of Alampasu and Ezenwa.A lots of things were put into considerations that only Rohr can explain.I remember his explanation on why he needed to drop home based players for Algeria match,it is simple he said league was on break.This decision gave room for Alampssu ahead of Emma Daniel but based on experience Ezenwa was picked.

Alampasu might be d best in camp due to reports from camp which nobody can authorized coz i remember d camping of Sydney 2000 dream team in Ilorin in 1999.I was privileged to watch their training live.It was straight fight between d two keeper Greg Etafia and Dele Aiyenugba on who to be picked.The reports journalists were bringing out to d loving sporting Nigerians was different from what we are seen live.

Aiyenugba was jumping,punching,diving like a cat with spectators applauding but Etafia was well composed by reading his line very well,organized his defence and u see that maturity in him.At d end Etafia was picked by coach shaibu Amodu and d sport writers were saying Dele was d best.The same scenario played out between Yakubu Aiyegbeni and Idemudia,we thought Idemudia was d best but Aiyegbeni was picked coz in front of goals he was deadlier but Idemudia bunch of skills and delight to watch.

It was this period that i realized the difference between pundits and coaches.A lot happened in d camp that w don't know and one need to hear from d coach b4 one can question his decisions.

It was very glaring prior to Algeria match that Alampasu w not manned d post irrespective of his performance in d camp and it's simple,match of such magnitude wasn't for rookie especially a sensitive area(goalkeeping)
idemudia?i think you means bright igbinadolor?
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 4:00pm On Jan 05, 2017
Icon4s:
Tell it to TheGoodJoe.

I have repeatedly encouraged him to take up some basic coaching courses. grin Particularly in the area of players selection.


The basic coaching course will make me rely on history instead of current form. Please.

Our love for history ended us up with an Aiyegbeni in front of goal missing a sitter. Our love for history left us with a shambolic Peter Rufai in goal at France 98.

Go watch the Algerian game again and tell me Akpeyi was not shaky in goal.

Greg Etafia and Dele Aiyenugba is not in contention here. Etafia was always my pick self, so that was not a direct point to me.

Screen and select the best. If the coach says he selected Akpeyi based on composure, I will not argue but heck he was even far from composed.

Someone on this thread even said that was the last time he wants to see Akpeyi in goal.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 4:03pm On Jan 05, 2017
Kog45:
Yes sometimes it w look Arabic when u are not ready to accept some views.

Mind u no coach screen a player in senior national team,u must be ready for d task with simple instruction,if u failed to meet up u are out.

Super Eagle is not under age team where u need to screen b4 u can get d best.The best are d ones assembled for national team and d best must be ready for d task ahead.

So what do you think the coaches do before they make their final list? They screen them. That is what the training is about. Please read articles on Akpeyi and Alampasu camping. They hinted that Agu kept drilling them. Those drills are to find the best.

So do not think screening is strictly for underage teams.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 4:05pm On Jan 05, 2017
Kog45:
Yes sometimes it w look Arabic when u are not ready to accept some views.

Mind u no coach screen a player in senior national team,u must be ready for d task with simple instruction,if u failed to meet up u are out.

Super Eagle is not under age team where u need to screen b4 u can get d best.The best are d ones assembled for national team and d best must be ready for d task ahead.
With simple instruction in senior football. Are you sure I am the one that needs coaching schooling?

You think when coaches spend time talking to players before substitution, they are joking?
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by BascoVanVeli(m): 4:10pm On Jan 05, 2017
enomakos:
egypt is not a one man team
Without Salah they are average. If i were wrong they would have won Chan or made the semi finals.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Icon4s(m): 4:21pm On Jan 05, 2017
TheGoodJoe:


The basic coaching course will make me rely on history instead of current form. Please.

Our love for history ended us up with an Aiyegbeni in front of goal missing a sitter. Our love for history left us with a shambolic Peter Rufai in goal at France 98.

Go watch the Algerian game again and tell me Akpeyi was not shaky in goal.

Greg Etafia and Dele Aiyenugba is not in contention here. Etafia was always my pick self, so that was not a direct point to me.

Screen and select the best. If the coach says he selected Akpeyi based on composure, I will not argue but heck he was even far from composed.

Someone on this thread even said that was the last time he wants to see Akpeyi in goal.
Who is talking about relying on history over current form?
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 4:24pm On Jan 05, 2017
Icon4s:
Who is talking about relying on history over current form?

So you do not know that experience is about the past and not present?
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Icon4s(m): 4:30pm On Jan 05, 2017
TheGoodJoe:

So you do not know that experience is about the past and not present?
Experience helps you tackle present challenges.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 4:45pm On Jan 05, 2017
Icon4s:
Experience helps you tackle present challenges.

History is gone. Do not judge on history but the current form.

Carry the selected choices and narrow down the best by their performances in training.

I am repeating the same thing. History made us put Peter Rufai in goal in France 98. He set the wall and stood behind it. That was an amateur mistake. Do we keep relying on history to solve what we can judge with immediate trials?
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Petrobros: 4:46pm On Jan 05, 2017
The thing is TheGoodJoe is so much in Love with Manu's boys.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 4:48pm On Jan 05, 2017
Petrobros:
The thing is TheGoodJoe is so much in Love with Manu's boys.

You will not kill me with laugh.

Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Petrobros: 4:51pm On Jan 05, 2017
The thing is TheGoodJoe is so much in Love with the Manu's boys. grin

I know cos I have been following this thread for long.

He will argue heaven and Earth to defend their inclusion in the national team. He is taunting experience now just to defend the inclusion of those players.

Icon4s and Kog45 are right on this issue. Alampasu fit even give instructions to Echiejie, Balogun or Ekong sef. grin
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 4:54pm On Jan 05, 2017
Petrobros:
The thing is TheGoodJoe is so much in Love with Manu's boys.

Very close to it. I trust the screening process and I believe we found genuine quality talents in that team. That was why before Alampasu hit camp for the Algeria match, I tipped him to outshine the rest.

Same goes to my call for Iheanacho and with time, he was a genuine talent.

What I do not want is for us to use our hands and rob ourselves off these talents. They must not be the best but if they are, we owe it to them to give them their chances.

I also believe we can also find better talents, I do not want us settling with a particular crop of players but keep our eyes out for BETTER TALENTS.

When do we decide it is the right time for a player to play for the Super Eagles?

When he clearly outclasses who ever is the regular in a particular role. When talent is better, we are denying ourselves of better quality.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Icon4s(m): 4:54pm On Jan 05, 2017
TheGoodJoe:

History is gone. Do not judge on history but the current form.

Carry the selected choices and narrow down the best by their performances in training.

I am repeating the same thing. History made us put Peter Rufai in goal in France 98. He set the wall and stood behind it. That was an amateur mistake. Do we keep relying on history to solve what we can judge with immediate trials?
I am shocked that you can analyse football in this manner.

I am done with this argument.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 4:57pm On Jan 05, 2017
Petrobros:
The thing is TheGoodJoe is so much in Love with the Manu's boys. grin

I know cos I have been following this thread for long.

He will argue heaven and Earth to defend their inclusion in the national team. He is taunting experience now just to defend the inclusion of those players.

Icon4s and Kog45 are right on this issue. Alampasu fit even give instructions to Echiejie, Balogun or Ekong sef. grin


I believe their talent but I think you wrongly judge me. I am not sentimental. If Osimhen is the best nine, play him. What about my constant call for Sone Aluko and my constant criticism of Echiejile getting picked over Oshaniwa.

Yes I have faith in talents from the Manu boys but I always believe in keep searching. This was a call before France 98. I hated the Super Eagles mafia talk.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 4:59pm On Jan 05, 2017
Petrobros:
The thing is TheGoodJoe is so much in Love with the Manu's boys. grin

I know cos I have been following this thread for long.

He will argue heaven and Earth to defend their inclusion in the national team. He is taunting experience now just to defend the inclusion of those players.

Icon4s and Kog45 are right on this issue. Alampasu fit even give instructions to Echiejie, Balogun or Ekong sef. grin

Ironically, one of the reports of Alampasu in training was he was more vocal than Akpeyi during training. He kept on barking orders and organizing the defence. Yet we chose the one who could not give order.

Form over experience.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 5:01pm On Jan 05, 2017
Icon4s:
I am shocked that you can analyse football in this manner.

I am done with this argument.
LOLS.

Boss, you can be done. See this point, form wins. That was why Hierro took a free kick and our experience Peter Rufai thought it was going out and failed to cover. Then he escorted the ball into the net.

Bia Nu, why did experience not help him dia.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by goldfish80(m): 5:01pm On Jan 05, 2017
Icon4s:
I am shocked that you can analyse football in this manner.
I am done with this argument.
If TheGoodJoe was our national team manager, we won't win a football match.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 5:04pm On Jan 05, 2017
goldfish80:
If TheGoodJoe was our national team manager, we won't win a football match.
LOLS. You have started again. I have brought Kung-fu shoes. I will definitely select the best players I can get in each role than wait for Denmark to thrash us four before I know the time is of the Experience Keeper is up.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by zuchyblink(m): 5:09pm On Jan 05, 2017
BascoVanVeli:
Ivory Coast is better than any team in North Africa, they have the best chance IMO. Can't wait to see Zaha on African soil.
Egypt were never favourites when they won it 3 consecutive times. North african are very disciplined tactically and technically. This is the worst Ivory coast team since 2006
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Petrobros: 5:11pm On Jan 05, 2017
TheGoodJoe:


I believe their talent but I think you wrongly judge me. I am not sentimental. If Osimhen is the best nine, play him. What about my constant call for Sone Aluko and my constant criticism of Echiejile getting picked over Oshaniwa.

Yes I have faith in talents from the Manu boys but I always believe in keep searching. This was a call before France 98. I hated the Super Eagles mafia talk.
You are being sentimental over this issue. I may not be a regular in making comments here but I am a regular in reading comments.

I follow arguments here a lot. I recall, one of those arguments that Icon4s stated that most of those Manu boys are not likely to make it to the Super Eagles and I know how u and TheSuperNerd took him up on it. I recall he referred to the 93 Eaglets of having produced the highest number of players that went on to play for the Flying Eagles. 5 Players I think u guys listed.

You see, I am following. wink

We are all watching together. Only two Manu U17 WC winning boys have made it to the Super Eagles-Iheanacho and Musa Mohammed. I was initially against icon4s on that issue but I am beginning to see sense in what he said then. Looks like most of the 18man squad may not progress to the senior team. I know they are still young and developing but their development thus far have nt been as most of us anticipated.

What is happening to Musa Yahaya, Awoniyi, Ezeh, Idowu, Zaharadeen, Alfa, Obasi, Okon, and the likes? I doubt most from this list I mentioned will progress to the Super Eagles.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 5:21pm On Jan 05, 2017
Petrobros:
You are being sentimental over this issue. I may not be a regular in making comments here but I am a regular in reading comments.

I follow arguments here a lot. I recall, one of those arguments that Icon4s stated that most of those Manu boys are not likely to make it to the Super Eagles and I know how u and TheSuperNerd took him up on it. I recall he referred to the 93 Eaglets of having produced the highest number of players that went on to play for the Flying Eagles. 5 Players I think u guys listed.

You see, I am following. wink

We are all watching together. Only two Manu U17 WC winning boys have made it to the Super Eagles-Iheanacho and Musa Mohammed. I was initially against icon4s on that issue but I am beginning to see sense in what he said then. Looks like most of the 18man squad may not progress to the senior team. I know they are still young and developing but their development thus far have nt been as most of us anticipated.

What is happening to Musa Yahaya, Awoniyi, Ezeh, Idowu, Zaharadeen, Alfa, Obasi, Okon, and the likes? I doubt most from this list I mentioned will progress to the Super Eagles.

I know your moniker very well from the U20 thread. Back to that debate, no one disagreed that the Manu team might not make the Super Eagles. If you remember, we highlighted the reasons why.

One of the key reasons is the non promotion of coaches from the junior level. A good example is Manu Garba not getting the Olympics job. In the U20 thread, I explained that the progression will slow down there. If Manu Garba was the coach, some of them would make the Olympics team. If Manu Garba and some of his crew were in the Super Eagles camp working with Rohr, it will be difficult for Nwobodo not to get a chance.

So, it was not just that they would not play for the Super Eagles. We explained they were good but there are factors that will prevent them from making the team.

Chidi Nwakali cried out to Siasia to give him a chance in the U23 camp and the call never came. If it was Manu Garba in charge, he will stand a better chance.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 5:25pm On Jan 05, 2017
Petrobros:
You are being sentimental over this issue. I may not be a regular in making comments here but I am a regular in reading comments.

I follow arguments here a lot. I recall, one of those arguments that Icon4s stated that most of those Manu boys are not likely to make it to the Super Eagles and I know how u and TheSuperNerd took him up on it. I recall he referred to the 93 Eaglets of having produced the highest number of players that went on to play for the Flying Eagles. 5 Players I think u guys listed.

You see, I am following. wink

We are all watching together. Only two Manu U17 WC winning boys have made it to the Super Eagles-Iheanacho and Musa Mohammed. I was initially against icon4s on that issue but I am beginning to see sense in what he said then. Looks like most of the 18man squad may not progress to the senior team. I know they are still young and developing but their development thus far have nt been as most of us anticipated.

What is happening to Musa Yahaya, Awoniyi, Ezeh, Idowu, Zaharadeen, Alfa, Obasi, Okon, and the likes? I doubt most from this list I mentioned will progress to the Super Eagles.

When I said, Iheanacho should go to City, Iheanacho should get a Super Eagles call up, Iwobi was a ten, called for the dropping of Obiora Nwankwo from the Super Eagles AFCON team, I did not see you write and say, "My Guy you tried."
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 5:26pm On Jan 05, 2017
Petrobros:
You are being sentimental over this issue. I may not be a regular in making comments here but I am a regular in reading comments.

I follow arguments here a lot. I recall, one of those arguments that Icon4s stated that most of those Manu boys are not likely to make it to the Super Eagles and I know how u and TheSuperNerd took him up on it. I recall he referred to the 93 Eaglets of having produced the highest number of players that went on to play for the Flying Eagles. 5 Players I think u guys listed.

You see, I am following. wink

We are all watching together. Only two Manu U17 WC winning boys have made it to the Super Eagles-Iheanacho and Musa Mohammed. I was initially against icon4s on that issue but I am beginning to see sense in what he said then. Looks like most of the 18man squad may not progress to the senior team. I know they are still young and developing but their development thus far have nt been as most of us anticipated.

What is happening to Musa Yahaya, Awoniyi, Ezeh, Idowu, Zaharadeen, Alfa, Obasi, Okon, and the likes? I doubt most from this list I mentioned will progress to the Super Eagles

When I was under heavy attack on different threads for saying Mikel is good during the Slowbi era and later Mourinho benching era, I did not see you write and say, "My guy you tried."
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by BascoVanVeli(m): 6:08pm On Jan 05, 2017
zuchyblink:
Egypt were never favourites when they won it 3 consecutive times. North african are very disciplined tactically and technically. This is the worst Ivory coast team since 2006
Lets forget the past, especially since Ivory Coast is the defending champion of this event. I see young players looking to make a name for themselves in Africa, they might be unproven but thats what they are playing for.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Nobody: 6:53pm On Jan 05, 2017
According to his club (ADO Den Haag) website, Tyronne Ebuehi has accepted an invite for a game against Senegal in March.

http://adodenhaag.nl/nieuws/laatste-nieuws/1e-elftal/5694-tyronne-ebuehi-gaat-in-op-uitnodiging-nigeriaans-elftal
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Nobody: 6:54pm On Jan 05, 2017
Tyroone Ebuehi saying yes to Nigeria - Video


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zfZUA6-UtDo&sns=tw
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by goldfish80(m): 7:00pm On Jan 05, 2017
TheGoodJoe:
LOLS. You have started again. I have brought Kung-fu shoes. I will definitely select the best players I can get in each role than wait for Denmark to thrash us four before I know the time is of the Experience Keeper is up.
LOL... Why did Guardiola buy an experienced Claudio Bravo?
Am sure there must be a couple of 19yr olds in the Man city academy grin
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Nobody: 7:03pm On Jan 05, 2017
Ademola Lukman has signed for Everton... Another Nigerian in the Premier league.
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