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Re: If I Will Live Forever Either In Hell Or Heaven, Where Am I Before I Was Born by Nobody: 8:34pm On Jan 05, 2017

shadeyinka:
Before you were born, you existed NOT!
You were created when your parents decided to have you. One of the mandate and powers given by God to humans is reproducing spirit beings who are similar to them yet totally INDEPENDENT from them.

[b]A spirit being (which you are) never ever dies. [/b]He exists fully either in Physical or Non Physical form. Your spirit is the invisible copy of the physical you. Your Soul/Mind is an intermediary between your Body and Spirit.

Life if completely meaningless if it ends here on earth. You could as well be a Shina-Rambo robbing Banks, Live fast and Die Trying.

However, there is time for everything!
After this time allotted to you, Judgement by the Chief Spirit- GOD.

Time exists only in the physical realm.

when was that our soul/spirit that can't die created huh

was it when our parent had sex or before

or do mean my parents gave birth to spirit being

Re: If I Will Live Forever Either In Hell Or Heaven, Where Am I Before I Was Born by Nobody: 8:41pm On Jan 05, 2017

"Where was I before I was born?" This is the question I've been wanting to ask. I will follow this thread and watch out for peoples opinions.

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Re: If I Will Live Forever Either In Hell Or Heaven, Where Am I Before I Was Born by Wilgrea7(m): 9:14pm On Jan 05, 2017

Anas09:
Okay.
But, let me ask, When the Lord said, "Let us make man in Our Likeness", what did He mean by that?", Remember He had said, Let us Make man in our image, before making them in Their Likeness.

What is that likeness?

i don't know.... there are many possibilities.... likeness means like something.... there are many attributes of God so it would be irrational to just jump to it being immortality... and besides... the “we" there is speculative... i highly doubt it was immortality because adam and eve were driven out before they could get the chance to eat from the tree of life... my view ma'am..

Re: If I Will Live Forever Either In Hell Or Heaven, Where Am I Before I Was Born by Anas09: 9:48pm On Jan 05, 2017

Wilgrea7:
i don't know.... there are many possibilities.... likeness means like something.... there are many attributes of God so it would be irrational to just jump to it being immortality... and besides... the “we" there is speculative... i highly doubt it was immortality because adam and eve were driven out before they could get the chance to eat from the tree of life... my view ma'am..

No dear, its not the 'We', am into. Its the Likeness.

Okay, wait. Lets start here.

When God said, Let us make man in our Image, What did God mean?

Let me take you a step further. WHAT IS THE IMAGE OF GOD WHICH HE MADE MAN IN?

Understanding this will help us understand the LIKENESS HE IS TALKING ABOUT.

Re: If I Will Live Forever Either In Hell Or Heaven, Where Am I Before I Was Born by Wilgrea7(m): 10:37pm On Jan 05, 2017

Anas09:
No dear, its not the 'We', am into. Its the Likeness.

Okay, wait. Lets start here.

When God said, Let us make man in our Image, What did God mean?

Let me take you a step further. WHAT IS THE IMAGE OF GOD WHICH HE MADE MAN IN?

Understanding this will help us understand the LIKENESS HE IS TALKING ABOUT.

image means we would look like him in appearance/form....

likeness... i don't know... but if you are among the people that believe the bible is inerrant, then the 1timothy verse i quoted earlier negates the claim of immortality... but.. let me learn a lil from you... what does “likeness" mean there.... cuz i can't think of something definite

Re: If I Will Live Forever Either In Hell Or Heaven, Where Am I Before I Was Born by shadeyinka(m): 10:43pm On Jan 05, 2017

oluwaseyi000:
when was that our soul/spirit that can't die created was it when our parent had sex or before

or do mean my parents gave birth to spirit being

You were created at your conception!

You have a beginning but because you are a spirit, no end.

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Re: If I Will Live Forever Either In Hell Or Heaven, Where Am I Before I Was Born by Anas09: 10:55pm On Jan 05, 2017

Wilgrea7:
image means we would look like him in appearance/form....

likeness... i don't know... but if you are among the people that believe the bible is inerrant, then the 1timothy verse i quoted earlier negates the claim of immortality... but.. let me learn a lil from you... what does “likeness" mean there.... cuz i can't think of something definite

When you say, image means we will look like Him in appearance, do you mean God has a form?

Why then did the Bible say Jesus took up the form of Man and was found in the Likeness of Man?

Here it says about Christ.
But He made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:
Philippians:2:7

He took up the form of Man? And the likeness of Man? I thought you said the image of.God is the form and the apperance of Man?

If the Bible says the above, it will then mean that you believe that God is in our image and likeness instead of us being in His image and likeness.

Bros. Remember, we are still on the Immortality of the Soul. We will get there.

Re: If I Will Live Forever Either In Hell Or Heaven, Where Am I Before I Was Born by shadeyinka(m): 10:57pm On Jan 05, 2017

NinjaX:
"Where was I before I was born?" This is the question I've been wanting to ask. I will follow this thread and watch out for peoples opinions.

You didn't exist before you were conceived!

Re: If I Will Live Forever Either In Hell Or Heaven, Where Am I Before I Was Born by Wilgrea7(m): 11:03pm On Jan 05, 2017*

Anas09:
When you say, image means we will look like Him in appearance, do you mean God has a form?

Why then did the Bible say Jesus took up the form of Man and was found in the Likeness of Man?

Here it says about Christ.
But He made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:
Philippians:2:7

He took up the form of Man? And the likeness of Man? I thought you said the image of.God is the form and the apperance of Man?

If the Bible says the above, it will then mean that you believe that God is in our image and likeness instead of us being in His image and likeness.

Bros. Remember, we are still on the Immortality of the Soul. We will get there.

so if its the other way round then why did Genesis say otherwise?? the only answer i can give for that (not sure its correct sha) is that when adam sinned, he fell in glory.. he lost his glory... he lost the form of a “god"... he lost the likeness he was created with.. i may be wrong tho..

Re: If I Will Live Forever Either In Hell Or Heaven, Where Am I Before I Was Born by shadeyinka(m): 11:23pm On Jan 05, 2017

MizJanet:
For the bold to be valid, you must accept that Jesus didnt die for anyone , going by your logic he was a Spirit being who can never die when he walked the earth.

Since you find it difficult to understand, let me come over it again. In simplistic terms, a man has two external IDENTITIES (Bodies) : a physical body and a spiritual body. His third identity is Internal and that is his Soul/Mind.

In other words, you are A Physical Body, A Spiritual Body and A Soul.

Death isn't annihilation
Death is a disconnection or separation between Your Body, Soul and Spirit.

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Re: If I Will Live Forever Either In Hell Or Heaven, Where Am I Before I Was Born by HCpaul(m): 12:13am On Jan 06, 2017

shadeyinka:
You were created at your conception!

You have a beginning but because you are a spirit, no end.

Good one.....

And God been a spirit being also doesn't have a beginning??

I think this thread is seriously exposing theists illogical way of thinking.

Re: If I Will Live Forever Either In Hell Or Heaven, Where Am I Before I Was Born by sonmvayina(m): 7:25am On Jan 06, 2017

HCpaul:
Good one.....

And God been a spirit being also doesn't have a beginning??

I think this thread is seriously exposing theists illogical way of thinking.

we are one with God in spirit..people keep explaining genesis 1 &2 as if it is a literal story..it is not..we are spirits(GOD) On a human journey. our life here is like a parenthesis [ ], in a sentence..what is between them is up to us, but the law and rule is to LOVE.and work together to make it enjoyable for ourself..each of us is given a gift or 2 for that purpose..death is not the end of a line, it is a point on a circle..

Re: If I Will Live Forever Either In Hell Or Heaven, Where Am I Before I Was Born by Wilgrea7(m): 7:54am On Jan 06, 2017

sonmvayina:
we are one with God in spirit..people keep explaining genesis 1 &2 as if it is a literal story..it is not..we are spirits(GOD) On a human journey. our life here is like a parenthesis [ ], in a sentence..what is between them is up to us, but the law and rule is to LOVE.and work together to make it enjoyable for ourself..each of us is given a gift or 2 for that purpose..death is not the end of a line, it is a point on a circle..

many Christians won't agree with this view..

concerning the creation story, i know there's a hell lot more to it than what is in the bible... I'm sure of it... check the oldest religions in history... they were mostly monotheistic before many moved to polytheism... but check the monotheistic religions of old... they have a creation story too similar to ignore... so you may be right... a literal interpretation might not be the best idea... but again... many Christians won't agree with the view

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Re: If I Will Live Forever Either In Hell Or Heaven, Where Am I Before I Was Born by sonmvayina(m): 8:04am On Jan 06, 2017

Wilgrea7:
many Christians won't agree with this view..

concerning the creation story, i know there's a hell lot more to it than what is in the bible... I'm sure of it... check the oldest religions in history... they were mostly monotheistic before many moved to polytheism... but check the monotheistic religions of old... they have a creation story too similar to ignore... so you may be right... a literal interpretation might not be the best idea... but again... many Christians won't agree with the view

Re: If I Will Live Forever Either In Hell Or Heaven, Where Am I Before I Was Born by sonmvayina(m): 8:20am On Jan 06, 2017

I quite understand you..but what you should understand is that there is no such thing as monoethism..the oldest religion in the world is the sumerian religion and they recognised and worship so many Gods ranging from Enlil to Enki to Inanna etc..the old testament which the jews wrote for themseves never made that claim too..it refers to them as "other Gods"..the jews choose to worship one of the lot because this particular God had Jacob as its inheritance see Deutronomy 32:7..so they worship this God..He was their God and they where his people..He commanded them not to worship any other God but him alone..when they deviate he punishes them and when they comply he prospers them too..I have a feeling that this God was Marduck as He was also the God of Cyrus see Issaiah 45,,.as Marduck was also the God Cyrus worshiped..history also bears witness to this..
Our spirit is the real us..that is our first nature, we only took flesh to enjoy this physical world but the demons in aso rock are not giving us good options. they sell our collective wealth and pocket it for themselves and kids instead of distributing it and using it to create good life for us..Have you heard of the Pineal gland ??

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Re: If I Will Live Forever Either In Hell Or Heaven, Where Am I Before I Was Born by MizJanet(f): 8:48am On Jan 06, 2017

shadeyinka:
Since you find it difficult to understand, let me come over it again. In simplistic terms, a man has two external IDENTITIES (Bodies) : a physical body and a spiritual body. His third identity is Internal and that is his Soul/Mind.

In other words, you are A Physical Body, A Spiritual Body and A Soul.

Am looking you like ...

from the Christian bible point of view

Shadeyinka: you are a physical body, A spiritual body

Paul: NO! You are a physical body and will be raised a spiritual body in the resurrection of the dead, the physical came first , the spiritual is later - 1 Corinthians 15: 42-46

grin

Who is lying between the two of you ?

And if paul is right, it means your idea of sexual intercourse producing spiritual bodies is a lie, do u agree ?

From the logical point of view

You initially said in a response to someone in this thread that the Spiritual body or spirit represent the ReAL you. Shadeyinka, if thats the case it means the real Jesus is his Spirit which can never die , now how dare you claim he died for sins since he is a spirit being that cant die ?

Death isn't annihilation
Death is a disconnection or separation between Your Body, Soul and Spirit.

oga in simple english , did Jesus die or only his flesh die ?

To be Dead is to be NON-living, do u accept ?

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Re: If I Will Live Forever Either In Hell Or Heaven, Where Am I Before I Was Born by Nobody: 9:02am On Jan 06, 2017

Funny enough, I now have a quote for this oluwaseyi000

Re: If I Will Live Forever Either In Hell Or Heaven, Where Am I Before I Was Born by Anas09: 11:42am On Jan 06, 2017

Wilgrea7:
so if its the other way round then why did Genesis say otherwise?? the only answer i can give for that (not sure its correct sha) is that when adam sinned, he fell in glory.. he lost his glory... he lost the form of a “god"... he lost the likeness he was created with.. i may be wrong tho..

Hmmm. The Bible is there for us to peruse. The Holy Spirit is here for us to Harness, why don't we?

The problem we encounter is that, anytime we hear the word, IMAGE, we just run to the dictionary, but forgeting that the language of the Spirit is not the the same as of Men.

Ok. First lets ascertain who God is from the Bible. And, the only person who has the right to tell us about God is only the person who had seen God, his name is JESUS.

Here is what he says...

God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.
John:4:24

So God is a Spirit right? I believe He is.

If then God is a Spirit and created Man in his image, what is the image in which He created Man? Will it be flesh or Spirit? I believe its Spirit.

Does spirits have form? No.

Deuteronomy 4:15 Therefore take good heed to yourselves, since you saw no form of Him on the day the Lord spoke to you on Horeb out of the midst of the fire,

Now, Lets go back to the beginning again.

Amplified Bible Genesis 1:26 God said, Let Us [Father, Son, and Holy Spirit] make mankind in Our image, after Our likeness, and let them have complete authority over the fish of the sea, the birds of the air, the [tame] beasts, and over all of the earth, and over everything that creeps upon the earth.

What is the Image of God? Spirit.

Does spirit here means form? No,

What does it mean? Nature.
What is the Nature of God? Spirit.

Who or what is a Spirit? It is immortal= Lives forever

Invincible= indestructible.

Invisible= Can not be seen with physical Eyes.

So, if God created man is His Image/Nature, could it then mean that man is First, immortal, invincinble and invisible?

My answer is YES.

But, wait oo. God had created a Physical, material and substancial earth for man to exist in, how then can a being who is not able to be seen appear physically in the physical earth?

God had created the Earth, but there was no man to tend it. because there was no man, there was no productive growth on earth. There was no managerial, administration, there was no physical ruler to carry out what the creator had commanded in Gen 1:26.

So...

Here Gen 2 comes in.

Amplified Bible Genesis 2:6-7 But there went up a mist (fog, vapor) from the land and watered the whole surface of the ground—

Then the Lord God formed man from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath or spirit of life, and man became a living being.

If man was to rule over and take Dominion over the earth, he must of neccessity be part of the earth. Hence the Mud he was created from.

But when the lump of mud was lying there on the ground, it was useless without the ESSENCE of God inside of him, so, God breath his essence into man, man jerks to life.

Okay, now, man has jerked to life but he doesn't undertand how or why somethings are flying in the sky, but he could not, why some creatures are breathing inside water but he could not, why things were the way they were.

He needed Conciousness/ Conscience/ Emotions to function is his domian.

Without that conciousness, the task ahead of him, of administrating over the animals, tending the garden, and having sex with his wife in order to have children that looks like them to fulfill the command "Be fruitful. Fill the earth, will not be possible. So the LIKENESS OF GOD COMES IN.

It was the LIKENESS OF GOD Which brought to bear the creation of order out of Chaos.

The Earth was covered in Darkness...
Chaos everywhere...

The Spirit of the Lord was hovering over that Darkness...
And the Lord said...
Let the be Light...

The conciousness/Conscience of a man connected the physical body of Man to the Spirit aspect of man linking them to God.

The consciousness of a man is the soul of a man.

The souls of a man is inbetween the Body and the Spirit of a Man.

The body of a man is the mud/ cage, house/Cloth of a man. Without the Conciousness/Soul or the Spirit of a man, a man is useless, that is the sate of deattness in the physical realm.

When regeneration takes place in a man ( being born again in the spirit), the Spirit of God, activates the deathness in man, and his spirits comes back to life. The soul, doesnt get born again along side the spirit.

The Life in the spirit begins to indict the Soul/ Conciousness of his wrong doings.

When the souls sees a beautiful girl who is not his wife, he begins to fantasize, the spirit say, She is not your wife, its a sin.

As time goes on, the Soul gets used to the Spirits rebukes and yields to righteouness. Praise the Lord.

These things are revealed by the Holy Spirit.

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Re: If I Will Live Forever Either In Hell Or Heaven, Where Am I Before I Was Born by shadeyinka(m): 11:59am On Jan 06, 2017

HCpaul:
Good one.....

And God been a spirit being also doesn't have a beginning??

I think this thread is seriously exposing theists illogical way of thinking.

I guessed you missed the point:
Spirits don't die. They live forever.

God is a Spirit: From Him, every other spirit emanate. And that is why every other spirit has their own beginning.

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Re: If I Will Live Forever Either In Hell Or Heaven, Where Am I Before I Was Born by HCpaul(m): 12:05pm On Jan 06, 2017

shadeyinka:
I guessed you missed the point:
Spirits don't die. They live forever.

God is a Spirit: From Him, every other spirit emanate. And that is why every other spirit has their own beginning.

Kudos! Well twisted.

But please, where did God emanated from??

Re: If I Will Live Forever Either In Hell Or Heaven, Where Am I Before I Was Born by Wilgrea7(m): 1:00pm On Jan 06, 2017

Anas09:
Hmmm. The Bible is there for us to peruse. The Holy Spirit is here for us to Harness, why don't we?

The problem we encounter is that, anytime we hear the word, IMAGE, we just run to the dictionary, but forgeting that the language of the Spirit is not the the same as of Men.

ok....so the language of the spirit is different... ok

Ok. First lets ascertain who God is from the Bible. And, the only person who has the right to tell us about God is only the person who had seen God, his name is JESUS.

Here is what he says...

God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.
John:4:24

So God is a Spirit right? I believe He is.

If then God is a Spirit and created Man in his image, what is the image in which He created Man? Will it be flesh or Spirit? I believe its Spirit.

Does spirits have form? No.

Deuteronomy 4:15 Therefore take good heed to yourselves, since you saw no form of Him on the day the Lord spoke to you on Horeb out of the midst of the fire,

Now, Lets go back to the beginning again.

Amplified Bible Genesis 1:26 God said, Let Us [Father, Son, and Holy Spirit] make mankind in Our image, after Our likeness, and let them have complete authority over the fish of the sea, the birds of the air, the [tame] beasts, and over all of the earth, and over everything that creeps upon the earth.

What is the Image of God? Spirit.

Does spirit here means form? No,

What does it mean? Nature.
What is the Nature of God? Spirit.

Who or what is a Spirit? It is immortal= Lives forever

Invincible= indestructible.

Invisible= Can not be seen with physical Eyes.

how does being a spirit give immortality?? the bible already said only God has immortality... being a spirit isn't an automatic ticket for immortality..... besides... the verse you quoted stated that God created them male and female... meaning he created spirits male and female? spirits have gender? he told them to be fruitful and multiply... looking at the story you will know its not even the story of adam and eve neither is it talking about spirits.. cuz spirits don't reproduce

So, if God created man is His Image/Nature, could it then mean that man is First, immortal, invincinble and invisible

image means to look like... all throughout the bible... the image of something means to look like it

But, wait oo. God had created a Physical, material and substancial earth for man to exist in, how then can a being who is not able to be seen appear physically in the physical earth?

Here Gen 2 comes in.

Amplified Bible Genesis 2:6-7 But there went up a mist (fog, vapor) from the land and watered the whole surface of the ground—

Then the Lord God formed man from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath or spirit of life, and man became a living being.

nowhere in the first chapter did it hint that man was invisible... chapter one and two are different creation stories.. chapter one said he created THEM(plural tense... hinting more than 2 people) male and female, gave them dominion and told them to multiply(not something spirits do)... in verse 2 God created only Adam from dust..breathed into him.. thats how he came alive.. he wasn't living before then...not as a spirit.. nothing.. if he were a spirit, then God would've created a body and sent his(Adam's) spirit into the body.. but that wasn't the case... then he used a rib from adam to create eve(was still not existing before)

The conciousness/Conscience of a man connected the physical body of Man to the Spirit aspect of man linking them to God.

The consciousness of a man is the soul of a man.

The souls of a man is inbetween the Body and the Spirit of a Man.

the spirit is the consciousness... yes... the spirit being in the body makes it a soul... spirit+body=soul

As time goes on, the Soul gets used to the Spirits rebukes and yields to righteouness. Praise the Lord.

halleluyah

These things are revealed by the Holy Spirit.

i believe that there are certain things in life being revealed by the holy spirit.. i won't deny that.. but the double creation story seems to be a problem.. its ok to try to unify it... but it still remains 2 different stories to me... my mind can't unify it. i really respect you and appreciate your effort in trying to explain it to me... the lord is your strength.. but I've already kinda researched this and seem to be sure to an extent... i may be wrong.. i don't have the monopoly of being right.. i will learn more in due time.. maybe in favour of your teaching .. maybe against it.. i dunno.. I'm not saying you're wrong.. nor am i saying otherwise.. but one day... we'll all find out for sure.. continue the good work ma'am.. God bless

Re: If I Will Live Forever Either In Hell Or Heaven, Where Am I Before I Was Born by shadeyinka(m): 1:08pm On Jan 06, 2017

MizJanet:
Am looking you like ...

from the Christian bible point of view

Shadeyinka: you are a physical body, A spiritual body

Paul: NO! You are a physical body and will be raised a spiritual body in the resurrection of the dead, the physical came first , the spiritual is later - 1 Corinthians 15: 42-46

Who is lying between the two of you ?

And if paul is right, it means your idea of sexual intercourse producing spiritual bodies is a lie, do u agree ?

What is so difficult in understanding that you are a trinity of a Body, Soul and Spirit!

What is so difficult in understanding what happens to your Body If your Soul and Spirit leave your body?

When Jesus resurrected, was it with a physical body or spiritual body?

If we don't yet have a spirit body as you seem to imply, why did Paul say ....my spirit prays but my mind is unfruitful. Or why would Elisha tell his servant Gahaz...did not my spirit follow you...

Do you honestly think Paul was saying that resurrection is purely spiritual: How come there is RESURRECTION?

MizJanet:
From the logical point of view

You initially said in a response to someone in this thread that the Spiritual body or spirit represent the ReAL you. Shadeyinka, if thats the case it means the real Jesus is his Spirit which can never die , now how dare you claim he died for sins since he is a spirit being that cant die ?

I believe your bias is making you read what doesn't exist.
Where did I say the spirit is the real you?
Thank God we are just on the second page, so it is easy to check and quote exactly what I said.

Your conclusion was based on a false premise dear!

MizJanet:
oga in simple english , did Jesus die or only his flesh die ?

To be Dead is to be NON-living, do u accept ?

Even though you quoted the definition of death I posted, you still refuse to understand

Death isn't annihilation
Death is a disconnection or separation between Your Body, Soul and Spirit.

To be dead isn't to be Non living:
Are Abraham, Elijah, Lazarus and the rich Man dead?
How come in death, they are still alive.

Jesus even quoted: God is not the God of the Dead but of the living.

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Re: If I Will Live Forever Either In Hell Or Heaven, Where Am I Before I Was Born by Nobody: 1:09pm On Jan 06, 2017

shadeyinka:
You didn't exist before you were conceived!

How do you know?

Re: If I Will Live Forever Either In Hell Or Heaven, Where Am I Before I Was Born by shadeyinka(m): 1:17pm On Jan 06, 2017

HCpaul:
Kudos! Well twisted.

But please, where did God emanated from??

Do you honestly think this question is embedded with logic?

Ask the most advanced AI program the same question.
Where did Programmers emanate from??

Do you think seriously that this is a logical question?

Re: If I Will Live Forever Either In Hell Or Heaven, Where Am I Before I Was Born by shadeyinka(m): 1:21pm On Jan 06, 2017

Nobleking2000:
Going by your logic anything that has a start must have an end

I first wish you state the premise for the said logic!

Even though I didn't state any such logic, let me put it in proper perspective.

Anything Physical is Temporal
Anything Spiritual is Eternal.

I hope you are corrected!

Re: If I Will Live Forever Either In Hell Or Heaven, Where Am I Before I Was Born by shadeyinka(m): 1:27pm On Jan 06, 2017

NinjaX:
How do you know?

..because you know the answer!

Re: If I Will Live Forever Either In Hell Or Heaven, Where Am I Before I Was Born by Nobody: 1:30pm On Jan 06, 2017

shadeyinka:
..because you know the answer!

I don't have time for mind games. If you know the answer to the question I posed, shoot. If you don't, be humble enough to admit your ignorance. Simple as that.

Re: If I Will Live Forever Either In Hell Or Heaven, Where Am I Before I Was Born by shadeyinka(m): 2:13pm On Jan 06, 2017

NinjaX:
I don't have time for mind games. If you know the answer to the question I posed, shoot. If you don't, be humble enough to admit your ignorance. Simple as that.

You actually exist as nothing. If you know where you were before now, tell us?

Re: If I Will Live Forever Either In Hell Or Heaven, Where Am I Before I Was Born by shadeyinka(m): 2:14pm On Jan 06, 2017

Nobleking2000:
Then is man a physical or a spiritual being.

A man is BOTH a Physical and Spiritual Being!

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