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Kog45:
Yes Peter Rufai had a very bad tournament like other players at France 98.Pls go and watch Nig vs Denmark and see how Sand turned Taribo and Okechucwu inside out.

Did u know how Rufai make France 98?we had a serious crisis in goalkeeping dept,our NO 1 choice Ike shorunmu had injury in his last league match for fc grasshopper and not forgetting Dosu already had an accident that ruled him out of active football for life.

It should be noted that prior to France 98,we had series of friendly matches and keepers in camp like Abiodun Baruwa couldn't live up to expectations and d only option was to call Rufai at d last minute who was still active either with Farense or deportivo la coruna,i cannot recollect.

So Rufai choice at France 98 was due to Shorunmu injury and did u know Rufai was even on vacation in Spain when he got d invitation letter.

TheGoodJoe:
Wish Odogwu the best. John Mikel Obi is really a great servant for Club and country.

What is most impressive are his reactions when coaches drop him from the starting line-up. He never complained but waited for his turn.

I pray he has a successful and fruitful time at China.

I salute John Mikel Obi the Super Eagles Odogwu.

TheGoodJoe:
Like seriously, you want to school me on Ike Shorunmu's injury. What next, Shakpoke's injury or Muller's goal against us in the Friendly or Mijatovic turning Okparaku inside out. Or us changing Jersey after the first half against Yugoslavia.

Bia, I am controlling my Kung-fu shoes.

Afam4eva:
That guy should not be allowed anywhere near the super eagles. I hate players who look down on Nigeria.

Kog45:
Yes kudos to John Obi Mikel for leaving Chelsea without any issue with Conte,is a plus for him coz it showed how good professional should behave,d young lads coming up should learn this from him(patience and perseverance)

TheGoodJoe:

I know your moniker very well from the U20 thread. Back to that debate, no one disagreed that the Manu team might not make the Super Eagles. If you remember, we highlighted the reasons why.

One of the key reasons is the non promotion of coaches from the junior level. A good example is Manu Garba not getting the Olympics job. In the U20 thread, I explained that the progression will slow down there. If Manu Garba was the coach, some of them would make the Olympics team. If Manu Garba and some of his crew were in the Super Eagles camp working with Rohr, it will be difficult for Nwobodo not to get a chance.

So, it was not just that they would not play for the Super Eagles. We explained they were good but there are factors that will prevent them from making the team.

Chidi Nwakali cried out to Siasia to give him a chance in the U23 camp and the call never came. If it was Manu Garba in charge, he will stand a better chance.

onirugbon:
Check ur email. I sent you my pin.

joseph1013:
It's too early to judge. But even now, we have four Manu's boys in the Eagles right now: Iheanacho, Musa, Ndidi (he played qualifiers), and Alampasu. The fifth person is Isaac Success. We know it is injuries that have kept him out of Eagles camp. He's been invited already.

So perhaps, this will be the most successful squad.

Icon4s:
The argument was on the 18man squad that won the FIFIA U17. Ndidi was not among. Alampasu has not yet played for the Super Eagles. Musa is one leg in, one leg out. Or what do u say it is that u have a Musa Mohammed and you are still searching for a RB. If Ebuehi performs well now, na so Musa don go be that.

Yes they are still developing but let them prove their mettle first then they can be invited to fight for a place in the Super Eagles.

Icon4s:
See, it is never done anywhere in the world. A junior/ Cadet team coach being promoted along with his boys. That is a recipe for catastrophe and failure.

I recall the argument started with Fani Amun not being promoted to Super Eagles coach. You said he would have carried along his 1993 FIFA U17 boys into the Super Eagles.

I told you blatantly that that would not work as most products of the U17 do not progress well. That is where I also pointed out that it is not just a Nigerian case but world-wide. You will not get the best crop of players for the senior level if you give preference to a particular U17 squad players.

I then went ahead to point out that that same trend will very likely affect the 2013 Eaglets, that most of that 18man squad that won that FIFA WC will end up not playing for the Super Eagles. Shocking as it sounded then but I stood my ground on that debate.
We both pointed out that the 1993 Eaglets had produced the highest number of players that ever played for the Super Eagles which was a shocking 5 out of 18.

Now, back to your idea of promoting Manu so he can carry along his boys. This is partly what affected us under Siasia with his 'my boys policy'. He would not select the best, he would be inviting the boys he tutored at U20.

I have always stated this fact: that most U17 graduates do not progress well. A good number do not even measure up at U20 level. That was why I became disturbed when I found that 10 out of Amuneke's U20 starting 11 were from his U17 squad.

See, if any of the Manu's or Amuneke's players excel in their Professional careers and Rohr or whoever is in charge feels there is a need to invite the player, he would be invited. Not this talk of reserving shirt for a player or players who have not even started their professional careers.

The Chidi Nwakali you said cried to Siasia was he as at then better than Ifeanyi Mathew and Ifeanyi Nwobodo? Recall that Ifeanyi Mathew was dropped prio to the CAF U23. Nwobodo I feel may have been considered but for his injury. Looking at the midfield Siasia had at the Olympics do you think Chidi Nwakali would have made the squad: Azuibuike, Etebor, Usman Mohammed, Saliu Popoola, and Mikel. Wilfed Ndidi was originally in his plans but later pulled-out due to club commitments.

I have nothing against any young player, what I am against is feeling they deserve a place when they have not shown they deserve the place. Isaac Success for instance is a Manu boy and I have been calling for his inclusion in the Super Eagles cos I have seen the substance in him as a professional player. Let other youth players work hard too just like Iheanacho, Iwobi, Ndidi and the likes and lets see if Rohr would not give them a look-in and a call-up.

Icon4s:
See, it is never done anywhere in the world. A junior/ Cadet team coach being promoted along with his boys. That is a recipe for catastrophe and failure.

I recall the argument started with Fani Amun not being promoted to Super Eagles coach. You said he would have carried along his 1993 FIFA U17 boys into the Super Eagles.

I told you blatantly that that would not work as most products of the U17 do not progress well. That is where I also pointed out that it is not just a Nigerian case but world-wide. You will not get the best crop of players for the senior level if you give preference to a particular U17 squad players.

I then went ahead to point out that that same trend will very likely affect the 2013 Eaglets, that most of that 18man squad that won that FIFA WC will end up not playing for the Super Eagles. Shocking as it sounded then but I stood my ground on that debate.
We both pointed out that the 1993 Eaglets had produced the highest number of players that ever played for the Super Eagles which was a shocking 5 out of 18.

Now, back to your idea of promoting Manu so he can carry along his boys. This is partly what affected us under Siasia with his 'my boys policy'. He would not select the best, he would be inviting the boys he tutored at U20.

I have always stated this fact: that most U17 graduates do not progress well. A good number do not even measure up at U20 level. That was why I became disturbed when I found that 10 out of Amuneke's U20 starting 11 were from his U17 squad.

See, if any of the Manu's or Amuneke's players excel in their Professional careers and Rohr or whoever is in charge feels there is a need to invite the player, he would be invited. Not this talk of reserving shirt for a player or players who have not even started their professional careers.

The Chidi Nwakali you said cried to Siasia was he as at then better than Ifeanyi Mathew and Ifeanyi Nwobodo? Recall that Ifeanyi Mathew was dropped prio to the CAF U23. Nwobodo I feel may have been considered but for his injury. Looking at the midfield Siasia had at the Olympics do you think Chidi Nwakali would have made the squad: Azuibuike, Etebor, Usman Mohammed, Saliu Popoola, and Mikel. Wilfed Ndidi was originally in his plans but later pulled-out due to club commitments.

I have nothing against any young player, what I am against is feeling they deserve a place when they have not shown they deserve the place. Isaac Success for instance is a Manu boy and I have been calling for his inclusion in the Super Eagles cos I have seen the substance in him as a professional player. Let other youth players work hard too just like Iheanacho, Iwobi, Ndidi and the likes and lets see if Rohr would not give them a look-in and a call-up.

Icon4s:
See, it is never done anywhere in the world. A junior/ Cadet team coach being promoted along with his boys. That is a recipe for catastrophe and failure.

I recall the argument started with Fani Amun not being promoted to Super Eagles coach. You said he would have carried along his 1993 FIFA U17 boys into the Super Eagles.

I told you blatantly that that would not work as most products of the U17 do not progress well. That is where I also pointed out that it is not just a Nigerian case but world-wide. You will not get the best crop of players for the senior level if you give preference to a particular U17 squad players.

I then went ahead to point out that that same trend will very likely affect the 2013 Eaglets, that most of that 18man squad that won that FIFA WC will end up not playing for the Super Eagles. Shocking as it sounded then but I stood my ground on that debate.
We both pointed out that the 1993 Eaglets had produced the highest number of players that ever played for the Super Eagles which was a shocking 5 out of 18.

Now, back to your idea of promoting Manu so he can carry along his boys. This is partly what affected us under Siasia with his 'my boys policy'. He would not select the best, he would be inviting the boys he tutored at U20.

I have always stated this fact: that most U17 graduates do not progress well. A good number do not even measure up at U20 level. That was why I became disturbed when I found that 10 out of Amuneke's U20 starting 11 were from his U17 squad.

See, if any of the Manu's or Amuneke's players excel in their Professional careers and Rohr or whoever is in charge feels there is a need to invite the player, he would be invited. Not this talk of reserving shirt for a player or players who have not even started their professional careers.

The Chidi Nwakali you said cried to Siasia was he as at then better than Ifeanyi Mathew and Ifeanyi Nwobodo? Recall that Ifeanyi Mathew was dropped prio to the CAF U23. Nwobodo I feel may have been considered but for his injury. Looking at the midfield Siasia had at the Olympics do you think Chidi Nwakali would have made the squad: Azuibuike, Etebor, Usman Mohammed, Saliu Popoola, and Mikel. Wilfed Ndidi was originally in his plans but later pulled-out due to club commitments.

I have nothing against any young player, what I am against is feeling they deserve a place when they have not shown they deserve the place. Isaac Success for instance is a Manu boy and I have been calling for his inclusion in the Super Eagles cos I have seen the substance in him as a professional player. Let other youth players work hard too just like Iheanacho, Iwobi, Ndidi and the likes and lets see if Rohr would not give them a look-in and a call-up.

Icon4s:
See, it is never done anywhere in the world. A junior/ Cadet team coach being promoted along with his boys. That is a recipe for catastrophe and failure.

I recall the argument started with Fani Amun not being promoted to Super Eagles coach. You said he would have carried along his 1993 FIFA U17 boys into the Super Eagles.

I told you blatantly that that would not work as most products of the U17 do not progress well. That is where I also pointed out that it is not just a Nigerian case but world-wide. You will not get the best crop of players for the senior level if you give preference to a particular U17 squad players.

I then went ahead to point out that that same trend will very likely affect the 2013 Eaglets, that most of that 18man squad that won that FIFA WC will end up not playing for the Super Eagles. Shocking as it sounded then but I stood my ground on that debate.
We both pointed out that the 1993 Eaglets had produced the highest number of players that ever played for the Super Eagles which was a shocking 5 out of 18.

Now, back to your idea of promoting Manu so he can carry along his boys. This is partly what affected us under Siasia with his 'my boys policy'. He would not select the best, he would be inviting the boys he tutored at U20.

I have always stated this fact: that most U17 graduates do not progress well. A good number do not even measure up at U20 level. That was why I became disturbed when I found that 10 out of Amuneke's U20 starting 11 were from his U17 squad.

See, if any of the Manu's or Amuneke's players excel in their Professional careers and Rohr or whoever is in charge feels there is a need to invite the player, he would be invited. Not this talk of reserving shirt for a player or players who have not even started their professional careers.

The Chidi Nwakali you said cried to Siasia was he as at then better than Ifeanyi Mathew and Ifeanyi Nwobodo? Recall that Ifeanyi Mathew was dropped prio to the CAF U23. Nwobodo I feel may have been considered but for his injury. Looking at the midfield Siasia had at the Olympics do you think Chidi Nwakali would have made the squad: Azuibuike, Etebor, Usman Mohammed, Saliu Popoola, and Mikel. Wilfed Ndidi was originally in his plans but later pulled-out due to club commitments.

I have nothing against any young player, what I am against is feeling they deserve a place when they have not shown they deserve the place. Isaac Success for instance is a Manu boy and I have been calling for his inclusion in the Super Eagles cos I have seen the substance in him as a professional player. Let other youth players work hard too just like Iheanacho, Iwobi, Ndidi and the likes and lets see if Rohr would not give them a look-in and a call-up.

joseph1013:
They are all Manu's boys. Manu brought them to the spotlight, same way we know the Siasia boys. TheGoodJoe is referring to those that are already in the Eagles. For what it's worth, if we qualify for the World Cup as it is, Alampasu will be mentioned as part of the team. Only one goalkeeper can keep at a time unlike other positions. In the future, Alampasu will be called a former Super Eagles goalkeeper. See?

I say this set can be the most successful. We already have 5 bonafide members of the team in the Eagles. And the naysayers keep forgetting that the oldest among them is still 20 years old. We still have at least 10 more years to wait. So what's this dismissive attitude?

TheGoodJoe:


I beg. I believe Chidi Nwakali would make the squad wella. At least Usman Mohammed and Sadiq positions. We are talking of a young man who was under the age of seventeen and Pellegrini thought he was good enough to play for City. He went on tour with Iheanacho to America but unfortunately injured. The young man is good.

I said invite him to camp. That was what I expected from Siasia. If he is not considered good enough, then I can accept that. However, not calling him at all and saying he will not meet up does not work for me.

If Pellegrini did not show faith in Iheanacho and gave him a chance to show himself, Oliseh would still not believe he was ready for the Super Eagles.

TheGoodJoe:


As for the promotion of the U17 teams, they will form a yard stick for searching for new talents. Let us take Osimhen. Do you think it is easy to scout and find a better talent within his age bracket in attack?

Amunike did a thorough screening and selected good talents. The exploits of Okonkwo and Kelechi Nwakali paints this picture.

Amunike screened his team again, inviting over six hundred boys. Some made it into his team but most of his boys were still the best to him.

That is what I expect. Have your team and keep searching for better talents. That is how to build a formidable squad. Whether youth teams, national teams or squad.

No one is asking for a replica and promoting youth coaches is not a recipe for disaster.

Icon4s:
Good you have just mentioned 3 Talented players that we all feel can go all the way to achieve great things but not the whole squad. That is just my point. Most will not make it to the Super Eagles.

From that Amuneke's U17 team I still feel a good number were not ready for the U20 competition. Some players progression are some what slow. Moving the whole U17 squad to U20 was a major error. Inclusion of other players from the NPFL and other leagues in the world would have made that team more competitive and balanced.

Icon4s:
A player that could not even make the Flying Eagles first 11

tweeby:
I sent you a request but u didn't accept

Icon4s:
A player that could not even make the Flying Eagles first 11

terzurum5:
He has lost the only thing that is left of his hands, which is public sympathy, if actually these outbursts are from him.

Icon4s:
Good you have just mentioned 3 Talented players that we all feel can go all the way to achieve great things but not the whole squad. That is just my point. Most will not make it to the Super Eagles.

From that Amuneke's U17 team I still feel a good number were not ready for the U20 competition. Some players progression are some what slow. Moving the whole U17 squad to U20 was a major error. Inclusion of other players from the NPFL and other leagues in the world would have made that team more competitive and balanced.

TheGoodJoe:

Sadiq and Musa Mohammed would not make that City tour. The recent impact Chidi Nwakali made last year, Usman and Sadiq can not do it.

daveP:
Just the last move on his chessboard and he made a stupid and non reversible move.

Something must be done to ensure our national sport heroes retire in a honourable manner. Its a sickening trend now.....

BascoVanVeli:
u don't have to put them down to prove ur point. Usman plays every week he deserves more respect.

BascoVanVeli:
All this fuss becos he insulted a white man, who is not even his coach. He is human, we all say and do crazy stuff sometimes, this should have no effect on the super eagles, the man is retired.

BascoVanVeli:
All this fuss becos he insulted a white man, who is not even his coach. He is human, we all say and do crazy stuff sometimes, this should have no effect on the super eagles, the man is retired.

TheGoodJoe:

Enyeama is a senior player. He is a role model to our promising youngsters. It is up to him to settle this problem with Rohr. Rohr always kept Enyeama on high grounds. Even talked of Enyeama returning during the World Cup.

Let Enyeama end this roller coaster.

TheGoodJoe:

Tell me two top quality young goalkeepers apart from ter Stegen better than Bravo with their feet. It seems you are forgetting that Guardiola joined City this season and the demand for keepers good with their feet just kicked off.

In the academy now, they are training the keepers on it. Angus Gunn talked about it too.

So Bravo is there because he is better, not experienced.

TheGoodJoe:

Bravo looks woeful if you look at the goals he is conceding. That is due to the defence and some time defensive midfield not aligning with the ball handling philosophy Guardiola demands.

To understand the importance of Bravo and why Willy Caballero and Angus Gunn will remain behind Bravo for now, watch how many times our defenders pass to Bravo under pressure.

Watch his clearances and his connecting passes. That can not do it like Bravo and Bravo keeps the position.

TheGoodJoe:

Sadiq and Musa Mohammed would not make that City tour. The recent impact Chidi Nwakali made last year, Usman and Sadiq can not do it.