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DoctorAlien:
Who is a Christian? Who is GOD's child?

Oh... I see where you're going... Any Christian starving is not a true Christian. They are only practicing religion, they don't have a personal relationship with god, bla, bla, bla... ..
And you're going to say with all confidence that none of those people starving to death are true Christians... All of then starving is their fault

kilo4sure:
Are you asking what Christianity offers in comparison to other religions? Or simply what Christianity offers at all? One of us is definitely confused here, ( l hope it's me) or maybe both of us are confused.

Am asking what set Christians apart from other people, be it Muslims or atheists... And am asking for things that can actually be objectively observed not theoretical ideals like lightness and darkness...

randomperson:
Oh... I see where you're going... Any Christian starving is not a true Christian. They are only practicing religion, they don't have a personal relationship with god, bla, bla, bla... ..
And you're going to say with all confidence that none of those people starving to death are true Christians... All of then starving is their fault

You have not answered my question.

DoctorAlien:
You have not answered my question.

Someone who has "given his life to Jesus and accepted him as Lord and Savior"... Hmmm, good old days of ignorance

randomperson:
Someone who has "given his life to Jesus and accepted him as Lord and Savior"

Who said so?

randomperson:
Are u kidding me??... So as long as the bible says Jesus has overcome the world. It's okay if some Christians starve to death??... So Jesus wasn't telling the truth when he said he will provide for them??

It's not okay if Christians starve to death, but if it should happen, Christianity has given Christians hope and faith to overcome.God providing for our needs doesn't stop some form of tribulation or suffering in a life time, but then when you walk through the fire he would walk with you. Even Jesus the son of God at a time suffered many things but gained the glory. A Christian should not suffer, but if he has to face it, he knows it is temporary.

DoctorAlien:
Who said so?

Oh... You've gotta be kidding me!!... Am not doing your ridiculous question and answer today, John 3 explains the whole crap...

randomperson:
Oh... You've gotta be kidding me!!... Am not doing your ridiculous question and answer today, John 3 explains the whole crap...

Cop-out granted.

DoctorAlien:
Cop-out granted.

Nice try... U are running around trying to show why the Christians who starve aren't actually Christians...
Can u deny that John 3 explains what it means to be born again i.e. a Christian??/
If Christians hold god to his words the way they hold Buhari, maybe they will see the folly of believing in God...

randomperson:
Nice try... U are running around trying to show why the Christians who starve aren't actually Christians...
Can u deny that John 3 explains what it means to be born again i.e. a Christian??/
If Christians hold god to his words the way they hold Buhari, maybe they will see the folly of believing in God...

Go and read the parable of the sower and the seed to see the "types of Christians."

After that, read 1 Jn. 2:6.

randomperson:
Am asking what set Christians apart from other people, be it Muslims or atheists... And am asking for things that can actually be objectively observed not theoretical ideals like lightness and darkness...

The problem with this question is that it comes with the premise that Christianity is a singular worldview without a context or that the tenets of Christianity cannot also be copied by other religions.Many atheists were former Christians, and Muhammed saw a lot of good things in Christianity he could add to his religion, even Christianity was derived from Judaism. So looking for objective evidence that sets Christians apart would be difficult. If there ever was, it has been copied already albeit in a subtle manner. The purpose of Christianity is not to raise our ego that we are in the right religion but to challenge us, hence l cannot help but give you abstract examples such as faith, hope, love, light and darkness.

I find it funny how people say, in some form or fashion, not to throw the baby out with the bathwater. "It's not about religion, its about relationship," they claim, as if to convince you it was just your version of belief that was wrong--like we've we've never heard that one before, or even said ourselves at one point in our lives.

They don't realize how inept and pathetic this makes their own god look.

If so many people are doing Christianity wrong, if it really and truly is supposed to be a relationship... why can't Jesus actually start taking on his part of the relationship and tell everyone the "right" way to do it?

Why just let everyone wander around lost without giving them any communication that he wants it done differently?

DoctorAlien:
Go and read the parable of the sower and the seed to see the "types of Christians."

After that, read 1 Jn. 2:6.

U are just saying exactly what I predicted u will say: "They are not living as true Christians", " They don't have faith " e.t.c. Anything to demonize them and blame them for their hunger and absolve your god of any responsibility...
It's amazing that it's the Christians in underdeveloped and unstable countries that are not true Christians but the ones in developed countries like USA are actually true Christians, that's why they don't starve, right?
But actual facts show that it's the Christians in these underdeveloped countries that are the most serious and committed.
I guess the people that got their heads smashed to pieces last month in their church were not true Christians too

Jesus has told everyone how to do it right in the Bible. There are those who know and obey and teach others. Blessed are they. Some know the right way, and simply refuse to do it. Some don't do it the right way simply because they have no access to the right teachings. Others don't know the right way because they have not shown the zeal and desire to know by constant searching of the Scriptures under the guidance of the Holy Spirit.

"Strait is the gate, and narrow is the way which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it." Matt. 7:14. Of course there has to be an active searching before a finding.

Moreover, no part of the Scripture is of private interpretation. Precept must be upon precept, and line upon line.

That is why the Holy Spirit is a precious gift which only the true followers of Christ have.

kilo4sure:
The problem with this question is that it comes with the premise that Christianity is a singular worldview without a context or that the tenets of Christianity cannot also be copied by other religions.Many atheists were former Christians, and Muhammed saw a lot of good things in Christianity he could add to his religion, even Christianity was derived from Judaism. So looking for objective evidence that sets Christians apart would be difficult. If there ever was, it has been copied already albeit in a subtle manner. The purpose of Christianity is not to raise our ego that we are in the right religion but to challenge us, hence l cannot help but give you abstract examples such as faith, hope, love, light and darkness.

Funny thing is I actually find some honest truth in this comment... Religious are truly derived one from another

randomperson:
U are just saying exactly what I predicted u will say: "They are not living as true Christians", " They don't have faith " e.t.c. Anything to demonize them and blame them for their hunger and absolve your god of any responsibility...
It's amazing that it's the Christians in underdeveloped and unstable countries that are not true Christians but the ones in developed countries like USA are actually true Christians, that's why they don't starve, right?
But actual facts show that it's the Christians in these underdeveloped countries that are the most serious and committed.
I guess the people that got their heads smashed to pieces last month in their church were not true Christians too

Who said all these things?

hopefulLandlord:
I find it funny how people say, in some form or fashion, not to throw the baby out with the bathwater. "It's not about religion, its about relationship," they claim, as if to convince you it was just your version of belief that was wrong--like we've we've never heard that one before, or even said ourselves at one point in our lives.

They don't realize how inept and pathetic this makes their own god look.

If so many people are doing Christianity wrong, if it really and truly is supposed to be a relationship... why can't Jesus actually start taking on his part of the relationship and tell everyone the "right" way to do it?

Why just let everyone wander around lost without giving them any communication that he wants it done differently?

Another reason why religion and the concept of God is so flawed. Forget atheists, there are millions of people who honestly believe they're serving the true God and are ready to do anything for their god. Take Jehovah witness for example, these people are the most committed set of believers I've seen. I know some personally and u can see that their belief is real and their enthusiasm for their gospel is indefatigable.
But most Christians believe these people are false prophets who are going to perish eternally in the lake of fire. It doesn't matter their actual intentions or state of mind, it doesn't matter that they actually believed what they were preaching, they are going to burn in hell all the same.
Same applies to Muslims, Buddhists, e.t.c. and this is a system created by an infinitely intelligent being who is also supposed to be benevolent... It just doesn't add up

DoctorAlien:
Who said all these things?

U did or at least u implied it...
The parable of the sower, some seeds fell by the roadside, among thorns, on rocky soil and so on... And then the other verse u quoted... That was the point.

The life of Paul:

"Of the Jews five times received I forty stripes save one. Thrice was I beaten with rods, once was I stoned, thrice I suffered shipwreck, a night and a day I have been in the deep; In journeyings often, in perils of waters, in perils of robbers, in perils by mine own countrymen, in perils by the heathen, in perils in the city, in perils in the wilderness, in perils in the sea, in perils among false brethren; In weariness and painfulness, in watchings often, in hunger and thirst, in fastings often, in cold and unclothedness." (2 Corinthians 11:24-27)

randomperson:
Another reason why religion and the concept of God is so flawed. Forget atheists, there are millions of people who honestly believe they're serving the true God and are ready to do anything for their god. Take Jehovah witness for example, these people are the most committed set of believers I've seen. I know some personally and u can see that their belief is real and their enthusiasm for their gospel is indefatigable.
But most Christians believe these people are false prophets who are going to perish eternally in the lake of fire. It doesn't matter their actual intentions or state of mind, it doesn't matter that they actually believed what they were preaching, they are going to burn in hell all the same.
Same applies to Muslims, Buddhists, e.t.c. and there a system created by an infinitely intelligent being who is also supposed to be benevolent... It just doesn't add up

It is not about what most Christians believe, but what should you believe. Did Christ condemn the Samaritan woman to hell, no. He simply told her ..you know not what you worship. He told her salvation is of the Jews, this is thesame Jesus who had problem with so many of his fellow Jews. So if Jesus did not behave this way and Christians behave this way( according to you) then it means something has gone wrong because many are not listening to the Holyspirit OR Jesus never even set up the so called system you talk about to begin with OR Christianity was always going to be diverse and Christians should just find unity and love in diversity.

kilo4sure:
It is not about what most Christians believe, but what should you believe. Did Christ condemn the Samaritan woman to hell, no. He simply told her ..you know not what you worship. He told her salvation is of the Jews, this is thesame Jesus who had problem with so many of his fellow Jews. So if Jesus did not behave this way and Christians behave this way( according to you) then it means something has gone wrong because many are not listening to the Holyspirit OR Jesus never even set up the so called system you talk about to begin with OR Christianity was always going to be diverse and Christians should just find unity and love in diversity.

U didn't totally get my point... Do u believe JWs are going to hell??

randomperson:
U didn't totally get my point... Do u believe JWs are going to hell??

No, why should they go to hell?

kilo4sure:
No, why should they go to hell?

Aiite, that means u don't believe they are false prophets. What about Muslims?? Are they going to hell?

randomperson:
Aiite, that means u don't believe they are false prophets. What about Muslims?? Are they going to hell?

I believe they are wrong, but l do not believe they are going to hell simply because l disagree with them, same with the Muslims. The concept of hell is a topic for another day, but it is not just belief and doctrines that saves one from the so called hell or takes one there, but rather it is how you allow these beliefs or lack thereof affect your ways and your deeds.

kilo4sure:
I believe they are wrong, but l do not believe they are going to hell simply because l disagree with them, same with the Muslims. The concept of hell is a topic for another day, but it is not just belief and doctrines that saves one from the so called hell or takes one there, but rather it is how you allow these beliefs or lack thereof affect your ways and your deeds.

Nice way of avoiding my question...

randomperson:
Nice way of avoiding my question...

I answered your question actually.

kilo4sure:
I answered your question actually.

It was a yes or no question... By biblical principles, are Muslims going to heaven or hell

randomperson:
It was a yes or no question... By biblical principles, are Muslims going to heaven or hell

You should have deciphered from my reply, that biblically speaking going to the so called hell is by what you do, not by what you profess to believe or not to believe, at least that's the way l see it. In that sense no matter what you tag yourself, if you do deeds worthy of death, then you die. Besides not all Christians believe in hell, and even those who believe may have differing views on it.

kilo4sure:
You should have deciphered from my reply, that biblically speaking going to the so called hell is by what you do, not by what you profess to believe or not to believe, at least that's the way l see it. In that sense no matter what you tag yourself, if you do deeds worthy of death, then you die. Besides not all Christians believe in hell, and even those who believe may have differing views on it.

So based on your beliefs, good Muslims are going to heaven??

randomperson:
So based on your beliefs, good Muslims are going to heaven??

Definitely, but that's based on my beliefs.
In a way, this my statement could be misleading because l am not the kind of christian who is so much fixated on heaven and hell, not that l do not believe in them, but because l do not see Christianity simply as a means of escaping hell and going to heaven, rather l see it as a doctrine borne out of the desire to have God's rule on earth as it is in heaven, that even if we die fighting for this we believe that we would rise again to experience it. I dunno about others but this is how l read my own bible, l may be wrong but it's how l see it at the moment.

kilo4sure:
Definitely, but that's based on my beliefs.
In a way, this my statement could be misleading because l am not the kind of christian who is so much fixated on heaven and hell, not that l do not believe in them, but because l do not see Christianity simply as a means of escaping hell and going to heaven, rather l see it as a doctrine borne out of the desire to have God's rule on earth as it is in heaven, that even if we die fighting for this we believe that we would rise again to experience it. I dunno about others but this is how l read my own bible, l may be wrong but it's how l see it at the moment.

U are simply a reasonable person trying at the same time to be a Christian. Tough but appreciate the intent

randomperson:
U are simply a reasonable person trying at the same time to be a Christian. Tough but appreciate the intent

Trying to be a Christian? well whatever.