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dalaman:
Which women church leaders. Tell me their leadership position in the church.

felixomor:
Pauls letters were not written in chapters.
Men divided it into chapters for reference sake.

So, go and read everything.

randomperson:
Super story... Just mention the verse. That shouldn't be difficult now

felixomor:
I will say it again,
Go and read it.

randomperson:
You don't know the verse

felixomor:
Next....

Do u have any other point?

randomperson:
Oh... There are points. But I will rather reserve them for people intellectually capable of addressing them. Thanks.

randomperson:
Used brides deserve death:
If, however the charge is true and no proof of the girl’s virginity can be found, she shall be brought to the door of her father’s house and there the men of her town shall stone her to death. Deuteronomy 22:20-21.

KingEbukasBlog:
As an atheist , why is this wrong ?

randomperson:
It's wrong to kill people. Especially for unjustifiable reason.

KingEbukasBlog:
Why is wrong to kill people for an unjustifiable reason ?

randomperson:
It's basic human instinct to want to survive.

KingEbukasBlog:
This does not make any sense .

Why is it wrong to kill someone for an unjustifiable reason ?

An addition to this question : by what standard is a reason for an action deemed justifiable or unjustifiable?

MrMarvelous:
If any of these oafs fit refute the OP, make I whine.

Ebuka done come now to dance around "atheism",
Felix done see say him no fit run mental gymnastics for this one...him go soon gbaga
Doctor done gbaga
Remain Anas to come tell everybody say demon (succubus and mastubus) dey deir body...
If say Winner dey, na annoying memes him for release.

And this people dey wonder why people dey flee christianity.

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@OP if you really wanna have an honest discussion, ask for LordNicklaus or sth...then there are many other theists like Wilgrea7 or sth not these oafs who don't even go to church self.

Unless u urself dey troll...

randomperson:
There is a collective standard that is a product of our innate instincts.

randomperson:
If you put people from different continents in different rooms and ask them if murder is wrong, they would all say it is.

KingEbukasBlog:
You are babbling here my friend . This does not address my post friend .



Then you agree that objective morals and duties exist , right ?

KingEbukasBlog:
I'm not sure if there is anything to refute in the OP . By what standard should something be seen as right or wrong ? If he can give me a good reason to address his OP , then I'll do so .

randomperson:
Answer my question first... U seem to want to avoid the question at all costs

felixomor:
I will say it again, Go and read it.

KingEbukasBlog:
You have to show me the basis for your thread , what's the point of your thread if there is no basis .

MrMontella:
baba drop verse nau

MrMarvelous:
Okay you're right. Atheists don't have moral standards.
So Ebuka according to Christian good moral standard, dju personally think women got it bad according to the OP?

I repeat according to your good christian moral standard.

randomperson:
It's the hypocrisy of Christians. U claim there is objective right or wrong. So if the bible demeans women, is that right or wrong..

KingEbukasBlog:
Women were heroes in the bible , there was Esther whose wisdom and decision as a queen saved Israel , there was Ruth . There was even a female judge that ruled over Israel- Deborah - and she was also a prophetess .

Jezebel who was also a powerful queen in the bible .

There were others prophetesses like Huldah and Miriam

These are counterexamples that disprove your assertion : Women were demeaned in the bible .

If these women were demeaned they won't reach these heights as powerful rulers , deliverers , prophetesses and judges and their actions won't be prominent : they were recorded in the history books .

KingEbukasBlog:
Women were heroes in the bible , there was Esther whose wisdom and decision as a queen saved Israel , there was Ruth . There was even a female judge that ruled over Israel- Deborah - and she was also a prophetess .

Jezebel who was also a powerful queen in the bible .

There were other prophetesses like Huldah and Miriam

These are counterexamples that disprove your assertion : Women were demeaned in the bible .

If these women were demeaned they won't reach these heights as powerful rulers , deliverers , prophetesses and judges and their actions won't be prominent : they were recorded in the history books .

KingEbukasBlog:
This does not make any sense .

Why is it wrong to kill someone for an unjustifiable reason ?

An addition to this question : by what standard is a reason for an action deemed justifiable or unjustifiable?

randomperson:
Those examples don't disprove my assertion.
It's like saying giving to the poor disproves an assertion that u stole. The women u mentioned don't nullify the verses where Paul said women were made for men or that women must be quiet in church.
If I pamper my wife today, it doesn't change the fact that I beat her yesterday

MrMarvelous:

Hmmmmmm. Apart from the fact that suddenly the OT has now become relevant...and there's suddenly no distinction between law and grace as that Felix dude was talking about.

This isn't about whether they were historical.

So given the above, and the bible verses quoted in the OP both old and new Testaments...how do you reconcile that with your statement of the bible didn't really demean women?

If you didn't read the Bible verses please do that.

And ummmm please can you address Paul's statements on women and reconcile them with yours?

KingEbukasBlog:
You have stopped making sense .

The Bible records 48 male prophets and 7 prophetesses . There were powerful queens and one female judge . There were female deliverers too.

And Ruth was celebrated as Jewish convert .

If women were indeed demeaned , they won't have attained these heights .

Even in modern society , how many female leaders do you see ? But we've seen a reasonable number of women at the top echelons in the Jewish society

These have disproven your claim that women were demeaned .

End of story

Read my post again hopefully you'll understand .

MrMontella:
do you want to be murdered?

Please answer

felixomor:
Even in the new testament Paul acknowledged many female leaders in the early church.
The Op should be allowed to swim in his copy and paste ignorance.