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jusRadical:
Ha!ha!

Your advice won't change anything? But you commented on Tonye's post. Will his post change anything. You faulted Oyedepo when you know that your view will make no change.

There have been many posts on nairaland in which you gave your advice even when no one asked you. So why is this one different? Please let us not be hypocrites here.

Why must we avoid reality?

Okay. This is my advice. Any community in Nigeria that is under attack has every right to defend itself with deadly force. In the heat of the moment it is perfectly legal to return fire for fire. However, the reason these Southern Kaduna killings have continued for the past 25 years is because of reprisal killings for revenge. After an attack by one side, the other side goes to buy weapons and mobilizes to go and take revenge on the other side. I am not in support of that. I would encourage both the Hausa-Fulani communities and the Zango-Kataf communities to imbibe the spirit of forgiveness and to let bygones be bygones. That is the only possible way to move forward.
Are you happy now?

Op, who taught all these scriptures
bla bla bla Hypocrite

The person that wrote this must be a bastard.... this evil people has been killing innocent soul... you didn't ask the president to call them. To order.... ,you are quoting the Bible... you did not also see where the kingdom of. Heaven suffers violence and the violence take it, by force... , you can take your self and your family to where fulani's will kill you... and look at them.... idiot

The op got it wrong again, as usual

timota:
Guy they are not killing them because of religion, they are killings thrm because of grazing land with the full support of rl rufai

They are killing because of land and that's why they will spare the Muslims but kill the Christians, abi?

eyinjuege:
Common, let's be realistic.
I believe Boko haram members should all be killed, including their sponsors, whoever they may be. They have destroyed too many lives, and families.
Being a Christian doesn't mean you should watch terrorists come to kill you. I learnt some bomb explosions happened in Adamawa today? If anyone had caught the person with the detonator and killed him before he was able to detonate the bomb, innocent lives wouldn't have been lost.
I think everyone , Christians and Muslims, and atheist, and Sango worshippers etc should be vigilant and careful. We all should speak up against terrorism.
They live to steal, kill and destroy. The sole purpose of a terrorist is to cause maximum destruction.

Our govt needs to do more in tackling terrorism, and all these unrest especially in the North of Nigeria.

If you think only Boko Haram is doing all the killings then you have allowed yourself to be deceived. Even people who call themselves Christians have been killing too and this should not be so. Persecution of Christians did not start today, it started from the very beginning of the faith. If Christians back then decided to fight and kill back against their enemies then the faith would not have endured till today. I am speaking purely from a spiritual perspective now. It is very wrong to ask Christians to kill anybody for any reason at all. God will punish anybody who teaches such a thing, whether he is a bishop or not doesn't matter.

FriendChoice:
I don't support Killing in anyway but this is the way forward. But you and your governors Supported the killings. How? You prefer to see people being killed than to establish ranches.

Is it justifiable for the poor to go out and rob or kill those richer than them because the government didn't provide them with a means of livelihood?

TonyeBarcanista:
By TonyeBarcanista

I read the well publicized article in which respected Bishop David Oyedepo of Winners Chapel called for the killing and sliding of throats of potential Muslims/Fulani attackers. In the words of Oyedepo

“You catch anyone that looks like them, kill him! There is no reporting to anybody. Kill him! Pull off his neck! And we spill his blood on the ground. What nonsense.”

Bishop Oyedepo Views Against Christian Doctrine:
The call by Bishop Oyedepo with due respect goes contrary to the Christian teachings going by what is recorded in the Bible as well as Bible teaching on how Christians should live.

Firstly, Jesus, our perfect example displayed it when in the book of Matthew 26:52, he condemned Apostle Peter for cutting off the ears of one of the servants of the High Priest that went to arrest him, named Malchus. Jesus not only healed the servant but admonished Peter that "for all they that take the sword shall perish with the sword."

The action of Jesus Christ in the above story was in line with his teaching in the Mountain as recorded in Matthew 5:44, where he said But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;, as against "an eye for an eye" treatment that was practised by the Judaisers under the Mosaic law that was never perfect.

His disciples and the Christian Church lived according to this teaching by not retaliating even in the height of persecution during the Roman empire that saw Apostles Paul beheaded, Peter crucified under Emperor Nero, and other members of the early Church die violent deaths under the rule of Roman emperors. In fact, during that period, God showed John the beloved revelation of the last day BUT never did he empower him to retaliate or kill.

If Jesus Christ and the early Church stuck to Christian doctrine, where did Bishop Oyedepo got his own authority?

What Makes Us Christians:
The believers were first called Christians in Antioch because they displayed the rare characters of Jesus Christ. If this is true, it is safe that the thing that made us Christians is our leading of the life of Christ, not that of any man irrespective of title. If we can't be like Christ and heed to his teachings then we have no business calling ourselves Christians. Jesus stance against retaliating to the oppressing Romans made the Jews to prefer him to die instead of the violent Barnabas. We must be like Christ by insisting on non violence.

If Apostle James could admonished the early Church that was facing trials of various kind because of their faith to "count it all joy", how much more us?



His Call Against Nigeria Law:
Despite the fact that we have choose to accept our society to be lawless, the law of Nigeria is clearly against incite to kill fellow citizens and residents, as well as taking laws into ones hands aka self help.

The only authority empowered to bring defaulters of the law to justice is the Police and other agents of the State. No citizen has that power. As citizen, it is our civil duty to avail the Police and other security agents information to arrest criminals potential criminals and their activities. While jungle justice is usually employed by citizens due to ineptitude of the authorities, it never made the act right. But for one to incite the gruesome killing of people that "appear" as attackers and not just attackers, it is unfortunate. statement like “You catch anyone that looks like them, kill him!” must be condemned by all, and without partiality.

If these statements were made by Asari Dokubo or Nnamdi Kanu, I am very sure that the authorities won't take it lightly. The law must respect nobody irrespective of perceived standing in the society.

Statements Endangering Christians And Non Christians:
BEfore any war is fought, there is usually inciting statements from so called leaders. The statements credited to some Muslim groups and clerics, as well as this credited to Governor Elrufai and Bishop Oyedepo is what fuels sectarian violence in Nigeria. Truth is, should there be violence (like we have in Southern Kaduna), it is ONLY the defenceless innocent that get killed, while the elites and their families are fully secured. Nigerians, both Christians and Muslims must understand that the elite are never enemies irrespective of their noise in the media.

The statement of Oyedepo is capable of causing counter statement from some Islamic leaders and attack on citizens will start. The statement is not different from those of Abubakar Shekau or other extremists like Miyetti leaders and some other muslim fanatical clergies.

I condemn the genocide in Southern Kaduna, it is my belief that agents of Kaduna state government as well leaders of Miyetti Allah are complicit in this shameful killing. It is my hope that a case is established against perpetrators of the violence to higher authorities (like the ICC), but it does not in anyway justify incitement against anybody or group of persons.

As Christians we must adhere STRICTLY to Christian doctrine and not apostasy! Bishop David Oyedepo must be called to order.

I shall end this with the Words of Apostle Paul to the Church in Ephesus when the Church was under persecution in the book of Ephesians 6:12;

For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.


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And the scriptures let us know "an eye for an eye". It should be so

His disciples and the Christian Church lived according to this teaching by not retaliating even in the height of persecution during the Roman empire that saw Apostles Paul beheaded, Peter crucified under Emperor Nero, and other members of the early Church die violent deaths under the rule of Roman emperors. In fact, during that period, God showed John the beloved revelation of the last day BUT never did he empower him to retaliate or kill.

If Jesus Christ and the early Church stuck to Christian doctrine, where did Bishop Oyedepo got his own authority? [/font]




u sound like it's an achievement to be killed and butchered by ur fellow human because u r a Christian. If that is the kind of Christianity u Wana operate, food luck to u, as for me, I would rather kill than be killed be these dirry stinking idiotic people who parade themselves as Muslims.. I rily dont tink they are Muslims.. they are terrorists because I knw good Muslims who fear God

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Chedas:
then u ar a slowpoke. You xtians ar fuckin hypocrites. U copy Ea-Zeus (Healin Zeus=Jesus) only wen it is convenient. U ascribe all powers in d universe to him and yet one of ea-zeus charlatans was caught on camera instigatin his mindless zombies to cause anarchy! A spiritually powerful group neednt retarlate with physical violence, they ask the very elements (iron, earth) dez perpetrators use to turn against dem! And it will be so! But i forget...xtians ar spiritually bankrupt! All they knw hw to do best is make noise, collect tithes and threaten with fire!

. sombori here is about to declare a jihad .

jinxet2000:
Someone just told me you just jumped out from Sambisa forest. What do you know about Christianity? Same people of your type that called Noah fool until the flood swept them away. You are not God so do not judge people. They make noise, they are bankrupt, are you in their pockets? Or you have not been watching miracles of people who made fortune by serving God? or you watch only those that beg in front of the church for alm. Even them also get miracles.
I am shocked that people like you will speak against Christians. Foolishness.

It is pretty obvious that u ar d personification of acute stupidity! Noah ws a fraud! He ws not a historical person! There is no other place u can find him except in the fraudulent damned book called bible. The character ws copied from Enkidu in the ancient sumerian Epic of Gilgamesh written atleast 3000 years b4 moses the murderer plagiarized it!

babadee1:
If you think only Boko Haram is doing all the killings then you have allowed yourself to be deceived. Even people who call themselves Christians have been killing too and this should not be so. Persecution of Christians did not start today, it started from the very beginning of the faith. If Christians back then decided to fight and kill back against their enemies then the faith would not have endured till today. I am speaking purely from a spiritual perspective now. It is very wrong to ask Christians to kill anybody for any reason at all. God will punish anybody who teaches such a thing, whether he is a bishop or not doesn't matter.

God will not punish anybody.

Ayibaba1:
There is a whole lot of differences between retaliation and defending oneself. Christians are admonished not to retaliate, but are not told not to defend themselves. Wisdom is a principal thing, but that is lacking in the attitude of christians today. You don't kill in a time of peace, but in war, it is different ball game. That is the stupidity that the muslims are capitalizing upon. Ladies and gentlemen, we are in war!!!!! You don't follow peace with all men in the time of war. No wonder the bible says that the children of this world are wiser than the children of God. Will I see a snake that want to bite me and allow it? Will a man come against me with a matchet and i will allow him to matchet me? Christians need wisdom to survive in this time and age.
A simple case study in the bible, Joab killed Abner, and while David was mourning him he questioned how Abner allowed himself to be killed when his two hands were not tied.

.. Pple like u are d ones dat make me believe there are still Nigerians endowed with great wisdom. Ur kind of objectivity and frankness is rare. I doff my hat for u man.

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TonyeBarcanista:
By TonyeBarcanista

I read the well publicized article in which respected Bishop David Oyedepo of Winners Chapel called for the killing and sliding of throats of potential Muslims/Fulani attackers. In the words of Oyedepo

“You catch anyone that looks like them, kill him! There is no reporting to anybody. Kill him! Pull off his neck! And we spill his blood on the ground. What nonsense.”

Bishop Oyedepo Views Against Christian Doctrine:
The call by Bishop Oyedepo with due respect goes contrary to the Christian teachings going by what is recorded in the Bible as well as Bible teaching on how Christians should live.

Firstly, Jesus, our perfect example displayed it when in the book of Matthew 26:52, he condemned Apostle Peter for cutting off the ears of one of the servants of the High Priest that went to arrest him, named Malchus. Jesus not only healed the servant but admonished Peter that "for all they that take the sword shall perish with the sword."

The action of Jesus Christ in the above story was in line with his teaching in the Mountain as recorded in Matthew 5:44, where he said But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;, as against "an eye for an eye" treatment that was practised by the Judaisers under the Mosaic law that was never perfect.

His disciples and the Christian Church lived according to this teaching by not retaliating even in the height of persecution during the Roman empire that saw Apostles Paul beheaded, Peter crucified under Emperor Nero, and other members of the early Church die violent deaths under the rule of Roman emperors. In fact, during that period, God showed John the beloved revelation of the last day BUT never did he empower him to retaliate or kill.

If Jesus Christ and the early Church stuck to Christian doctrine, where did Bishop Oyedepo got his own authority?

What Makes Us Christians:
The believers were first called Christians in Antioch because they displayed the rare characters of Jesus Christ. If this is true, it is safe that the thing that made us Christians is our leading of the life of Christ, not that of any man irrespective of title. If we can't be like Christ and heed to his teachings then we have no business calling ourselves Christians. Jesus stance against retaliating to the oppressing Romans made the Jews to prefer him to die instead of the violent Barnabas. We must be like Christ by insisting on non violence.

If Apostle James could admonished the early Church that was facing trials of various kind because of their faith to "count it all joy", how much more us?



His Call Against Nigeria Law:
Despite the fact that we have choose to accept our society to be lawless, the law of Nigeria is clearly against incite to kill fellow citizens and residents, as well as taking laws into ones hands aka self help.

The only authority empowered to bring defaulters of the law to justice is the Police and other agents of the State. No citizen has that power. As citizen, it is our civil duty to avail the Police and other security agents information to arrest criminals potential criminals and their activities. While jungle justice is usually employed by citizens due to ineptitude of the authorities, it never made the act right. But for one to incite the gruesome killing of people that "appear" as attackers and not just attackers, it is unfortunate. statement like “You catch anyone that looks like them, kill him!” must be condemned by all, and without partiality.

If these statements were made by Asari Dokubo or Nnamdi Kanu, I am very sure that the authorities won't take it lightly. The law must respect nobody irrespective of perceived standing in the society.

Statements Endangering Christians And Non Christians:
BEfore any war is fought, there is usually inciting statements from so called leaders. The statements credited to some Muslim groups and clerics, as well as this credited to Governor Elrufai and Bishop Oyedepo is what fuels sectarian violence in Nigeria. Truth is, should there be violence (like we have in Southern Kaduna), it is ONLY the defenceless innocent that get killed, while the elites and their families are fully secured. Nigerians, both Christians and Muslims must understand that the elite are never enemies irrespective of their noise in the media.

The statement of Oyedepo is capable of causing counter statement from some Islamic leaders and attack on citizens will start. The statement is not different from those of Abubakar Shekau or other extremists like Miyetti leaders and some other muslim fanatical clergies.

I condemn the genocide in Southern Kaduna, it is my belief that agents of Kaduna state government as well leaders of Miyetti Allah are complicit in this shameful killing. It is my hope that a case is established against perpetrators of the violence to higher authorities (like the ICC), but it does not in anyway justify incitement against anybody or group of persons.

As Christians we must adhere STRICTLY to Christian doctrine and not apostasy! Bishop David Oyedepo must be called to order.

I shall end this with the Words of Apostle Paul to the Church in Ephesus when the Church was under persecution in the book of Ephesians 6:12;

For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.


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asuustrike2009:
God will not punish anybody.

Lol. You would hope so.

@Tonyebarcanista
i agree with Oyedepo on this. From what i see, the statements were made about 2years ago. Evidently the audience didn't blaze with the statements like uneducated northern muslims would have done. It's a wake up call, self defense is welcome against lawlessness. He didn't ask his audience to go about killing boko haram but that if they come. You either run or you defend. You can't keep slaying people as chickens for nothing. Holiness is the gateway to Heaven, not martyrdom. It is the person wearing the shoe that knows where it pinches.

enemyofprogress:

was this a mistake?

refined muslim

*refined under which partition?*

there is no such thing as Yoruba Muslim, you either a Muslim or not.

Call Bishop to order for speaking the truth? Nonsense write up .

snapscore:
Is it justifiable for the poor to go out and rob or kill those richer than them because the government didn't provide them with jobs?

The answer is no. So as the answer to the Fulani people.

But before now: Past regimes have solved the problem by establishing ranches.

As time goes on: Farmers decided to extend their cultivation up to those allocated reserves for rearing and thus no more ranches for livestock to feed on.

My question to you, who cause the problem at the initial stage? The government now wants to restore those ranches but some people are insisting NO

The reserves are not new policies, they were there before.

All temporary solutions won't work. The problem must be tackle objectivly, firmly, decievsbly and with all sincerity of purpose.

This problem did not start with El-Rufai or Buhari as most people thought. Past administrations have experienced this before and the problem is still existing after decades. Grazing reserves is the way forward.

timota:
Guy they are not killing them because of religion, they are killings thrm because of grazing land with the full support of rl rufai

if they don't have religion integrated in dia killings, why do dey shout " ... Is great" (in arabic) every time they shed blood of lives dey can't create. Why will dey destroy worship centers? I feel uvent seen dis pples level of barbarism u won't ever believe it has any connection with grazing areas.

Op and others supporting him, can you wish yourself what happened to those people? Some became widow, some orphan, while families were destroyed, nobody remains. The Bible says, do unto others what you want them to do to you. Please think and ask God what say before speaking. So if christians start theirs, you people will old their hands? Are you encouraging the killing? Let me tell you, those curses you think are powerless or useless, if one of them is invoked on any of you, the person will remain an accursed. May God take over the rulling of this country.

scores were killed in Agatu land, no comment, they took it to enugu, u ignored, it happend in Kogi, u turned blind eye, its a norm on a daily basis in Adamawa and kaduna...no comment...therefore oga Tonye, come bring ur head here make all NL de slap u daily for 5 days and u must not squeeze face. nonsense

omofunaab:
we have gotten to a point where we have to speak against these murderous Fulani herdsmen .

To be sincere, i will be ashamed of my tribe if they are the ones going about causing havoc in different parts of the country. No Fulani elder statesman has tried to rebuke his tribesmen instead they are busy fighting those speaking against this menace.

May Almighty Allah punish any Fulani herdsma
n that is planning to cause havoc anywhere in this country.

Only them in enugu, plateau, benue, nassarawa, kaduna.

.are they the only tribe in this country

May God bless you for standing by the truth because i perceive you to be a muslim.

lexiconkabir:
was this a mistake?



*refined under which partition?*

there is no such thing as Yoruba Muslim, you either a Muslim or not.

refined Muslim take it or leave it

babadee1:
Okay. This is my advice. Any community in Nigeria that is under attack has every right to defend itself with deadly force. In the heat of the moment it is perfectly legal to return fire for fire. However, the reason these Southern Kaduna killings have continued for the past 25 years is because of reprisal killings for revenge. After an attack by one side, the other side goes to buy weapons and mobilizes to go and take revenge on the other side. I am not in support of that. I would encourage both the Hausa-Fulani communities and the Zango-Kataf communities to imbibe the spirit of forgiveness and to let bygones be bygones. That is the only possible way to move forward.
Are you happy now?

The issue is that the issue of forgiveness is not possible. There is no forgiveness in islam. You talk of forgiveness because of the Scriptures. Forgiveness can only be found in Christ. See the Bible can never ever be wrong. No matter the reason for the herdsmen's attached, remember that the Bible said that his hand will be on his brothers and his neighbours (talking about Ishmael).

Mr OP, kindly tell us what we should do when at night a fulani herdsman comes into the neighborhood armed. Let's really have your suggestion. Thanks.

Snow5:
If I catch you eh... I will reap your head off your body!!!

Fool!!!!!

The anger in me now against these fulani eh.. Na you eh I go take start am..


If I hear say you enter warri... Or you dey warri... I will find you!!!.. And the rest is history!!!

Am waiting for any of these fulani patiently with my tools.. It's gonna be bloody!!!

Lol

babadee1:
If you think only Boko Haram is doing all the killings then you have allowed yourself to be deceived. Even people who call themselves Christians have been killing too and this should not be so. Persecution of Christians did not start today, it started from the very beginning of the faith. If Christians back then decided to fight and kill back against their enemies then the faith would not have endured till today. I am speaking purely from a spiritual perspective now. It is very wrong to ask Christians to kill anybody for any reason at all. God will punish anybody who teaches such a thing, whether he is a bishop or not doesn't matter.

Terrorists are criminals and condemned by the government. Peter was persecuted for his faith, believing in God, preaching. The authorities were against him/it. Terrorists kill anybody killable, that's not persecution but madness. You chain mad people, not turn the other cheek. So if police want to get information from you about a criminal, you will not cooperate but tell them to forgive him? Don't let us get it twisted. Boko haram need iron hand. You can go and preach to them or allow them to be caught. But folding hands and watching them do the work of satan is not intelligent or Christian.

TonyeBarcanista:
Lol the terrorist is one that calls for killing against another group...


Look at the mirror bro

You are nothing but a fifth columnist seeking cheap popularity.
You expect people to make themselves cheap slaughter lambs in the name of religion when the government is complicite.
You are not a better christian than Ayo Fayose, okay ?
Since he took the appropriate action in defence of his people, have you ever heard of the herdsmen menace in that state, nay, the entire SW again ?
Their fear of reprisals is the beginning of wisdom for them. They too are cowards but only emboldened by weapons.

I advise you to take your evangelism to Zamfara and come back to tell me your story- if you ever come back.

This Op is senseless... Nairaland Frontpage is where every idiot dumps thrash nowadays. Smh

TonyeBarcanista:
What will Jesus do?

Dont you think He will restore the ear after peter had cut it? so peter had to cut the ear!

and He said be wise as serpent but gentle as dove.... so its time to be wise as sepent.... what say you?