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Ubenedictus:
So ur mum only gave birth to ur body abi? u too must be a still birth

I began my existence from the time I was conceived in my mothers womb. Are you saying the same occurred to the Lord Jesus Christ?

Ubenedictus:
They have no relation, mariolatry is a condemned heresy in catholicism and mary is mother of God.

Saying that Mary is the mother of God is blasphemy.

Ubenedictus:
Gal.4:4 But when the time had fully come, God sent His Son, born of a woman

God said it, i believe, that settles it.

Do you really understand what you quoted or you are just quoting for quoting sake?

Ubenedictus:
Oga u get two mouth, u said mary gave person to d 2nd person of d trinity when he became man, then d come up and claim she only gave birth to a human nature not d 2nd person.

You are incoherent.

See what u said earlier.

The second Person of the Trinity, Jesus, did have a beginning to His earthly ministry when he was conceived in Mary's womb and was born, but from eternity past He had always been the Son of God.

What is incoherent about the bolded you quoted above?

we should all understand the rhetorics.....Jesus is God's begotten.....he had been before creation.....remembered the book of john makes this clear,the "He was with God"....that also clears the wonder in genesis,the "let US create" God wasnt the only one there.Now why Jesus was used interchangeably with God in several verses in the bible was just to tell us that all he had come to do on earth was to represent God's mind,i mean to deliver God's message to the people....the same way a president's representative is addressed as the president in an occasion.

owoleola:
we should all understand the rhetorics.....Jesus is God's begotten.....he had been before creation.....remembered the book of john makes this clear,the "He was with God"....that also clears the wonder in genesis,the "let US create" God wasnt the only one there.Now why Jesus was used interchangeably with God in several verses in the bible was just to tell us that all he had come to do on earth was to represent God's mind,i mean to deliver God's message to the people....the same way a president's representative is addressed as the president in an occasion.

so Jesus isnt mary's begotten but God's he only had to come in the form of man so as to make the whole plan and purpose work.....Jesus christ share same glory with with God as he was even before abraham.....mary was only privileged to be a vessel for the actualisation of the whole process.....even noticed jesus hardly addressedary as mother

OLAADEGBU:
Saying that Mary is the mother of God is blasphemy.

SAYING THAT THE SECOND PERSON OF THE TRINITY WAS BORN OF MARY ISNT BLASPHEMY, IT IS FACT.

OLAADEGBU:
Do you believe that Jesus created Mary?

Yes and after that she gave birth to him.

weytin dey fear u?

OLAADEGBU:
What is incoherent about the bolded you quoted above?

First u agree that mary gave birth to the 2nd person of the trinity, then u say she only gave birth to a human nature.
is the 2nd person of d trinity no longer a person and now only a nature? did he lose his divinity when he was concieved?

OLAADEGBU:
I began my existence from the time I was conceived in my mothers womb. Are you saying the same occurred to the Lord Jesus Christ?

What happened in christ is that d 2nd person of d trinity became man and was born of mary. the son mary bore is both Son of God i.e God and man. the God didnt run away and leave only the man.

these are elementary teachings and it is a pity u are ignorant of them.

owoleola:
so Jesus isnt mary's begotten but God's he only had to come in the form of man so as to make the whole plan and purpose work.....Jesus christ share same glory with with God as he was even before abraham.....mary was only privileged to be a vessel for the actualisation of the whole process.....even noticed jesus hardly addressedary as mother

i hope u are aware that u just denied that mary gave birth to Jesus, which implies u just denied that the son of God came in the flesh.

Ubenedictus:
i hope u are aware that u just denied that mary gave birth to Jesus, which implies u just denied that the son of God came in the flesh.

Not at all,I believe that the son of God came in flesh,in fact that belief is one of the basis of christianity.....only saying Mary was not Jesus' beginning,the way ours(human beings) is from our mothers.

owoleola:
Not at all,I believe that the son of God came in flesh,in fact that belief is one of the basis of christianity.....only saying Mary was not Jesus' beginning,the way ours(human beings) is from our mothers.

That Jesus existed before the world was created is also basic xtian belief and he became man and was born of mary that is also basic fact.

Ubenedictus:
That Jesus existed before the world was created is also basic xtian belief and he became man and was born of mary that is also basic fact.

Of course,not even a fact but the truth.All am saying is that Mary isnt God's mother for God has no beginning neither will he have an end.......also Jesus' beginning was God and not Mary.

Ubenedictus:
That Jesus existed before the world was created is also basic xtian belief and he became man and was born of mary that is also basic fact.

well,i know you called that fact because that we can go back to history and find......all the same.I tell people this,the basic belief of a christian is: you accept Jesus is the son of God,came to earth in form of man,died on the cross,resurrected the 3rd day,ascended to heaven and coming back to pick the saints

owoleola:
well,i know you called that fact because that we can go back to history and find......all the same.I tell people this,the basic belief of a christian is: you accept Jesus is the son of God,came to earth in form of man,died on the cross,resurrected the 3rd day,ascended to heaven and coming back to pick the saints

When he came to earth with human nature who gave birth to him? that is the meat of this thread.

Ubenedictus:
When he came to earth with human nature who gave birth to him? that is the meat of this thread.

its Mary nau.....but shes not the mother of God.

owoleola:
its Mary nau.....but shes not the mother of God.

So Jesus isnt God?

Ubenedictus:
So Jesus isnt God?

In person,hes not.

owoleola:
In person,hes not.

That is the heresy called arianism.

COL 2:9

For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

Ubenedictus:
That is the heresy called arianism.

COL 2:9

For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

I could discuss this on end but i already summarised it in my first post.....you see when i argue at times i ask myself the importance of making my stand.....when you say Jesus is God,there will be no reason to conflict that ,seein God acknowledged him and gave Him charge over principalities and power,but my stand here is that Mary was no t different from several human beings God used as a vessel unto honour,she wasnt diff from Abram,israe,David,samuel just to mention a few of them....she wasnt Jesus' beginning,neither God's and she desrvers no worship as such...........please dont mind my spellings,got a prob with my device

owoleola:
I could discuss this on end but i already summarised it in my first post.....you see when i argue at times i ask myself the importance of making my stand.....when you say Jesus is God,there will be no reason to conflict that ,seein God acknowledged him and gave Him charge over principalities and power,but my stand here is that Mary was no t different from several human beings God used as a vessel unto honour,she wasnt diff from Abram,israe,David,samuel just to mention a few of them....she wasnt Jesus' beginning,neither God's and she desrvers no worship as such...........please dont mind my spellings,got a prob with my device

oga the issue is that you have contradicted urself. 1st you say Jesus isnt God then you say he is.

oga decide for urself, the baby mary gave birth to is he God or not?

then we can move forward to other issues.

Ubenedictus:
oga the issue is that you have contradicted urself. 1st you say Jesus isnt God then you say he is.

oga decide for urself, the baby mary gave birth to is he God or not?

then we can move forward to other issues.

You seem not to get me.......I rest my case

owoleola:
You seem not to get me.......I rest my case

oga decide for urself, the baby
mary gave birth to is he God or
not?

Ubenedictus:
oga decide for urself, the baby
mary gave birth to is he God or
not?

i hope someone else reads our arguments and make a comment,you are too dogmatic,and if you are a catholic,i may not blame you much for the attitude towards the topic.

owoleola:
i hope someone else reads our arguments and make a comment,you are too dogmatic,and if you are a catholic,i may not blame you much for the attitude towards the topic.

Even God is dogmatic that is why he revealed himself in scripture so we won't believe errors.

my question isn't hard but you clearly cant respond.

what do u believe?

Ubenedictus:
Even God is dogmatic that is why he revealed himself in scripture so we won't believe errors.

my question isn't hard but you clearly cant respond.

what do u believe?

You already know what i believe in,my posts have clearly stated that,even at the outset.......if you dont play sentiment,you will have gotten the idea behind my arguments.Good morning

owoleola:
You already know what i believe in,my posts have clearly stated that,even at the outset.......if you dont play sentiment,you will have gotten the idea behind my arguments.Good morning

According to your post, Jesus isnt God and then Jesus is God, you contradicted yourself and when asked to clarify you play hide and seek and then accuse me of ''playing sentiment''.

How can I understand you when you contradict urself and refuse to clarify.

OLAADEGBU:
"And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory" (1 Timothy 3:16).

This verse unravels your confusion to the mystery of Person of Jesus Christ.

you are the confused person here, Since God was manifest in the FLESH , what does that make the person who gave birth to that Flesh ?

CAPTIVATOR:
you are the confused person here, Since God was manifest in the FLESH , what does that make the person who gave birth to that Flesh ?

Does that make her God the mother?

OLAADEGBU:
Does that make her God the mother?

Just answer your question, then ask yours. That's what curtesy demands of you.

Syncan:
Just answer your question, then ask yours. That's what curtesy demands of you.

The wise men only worshipped Jesus as a king they were not aware of His divinity.