Jayceon:
hell hole But africans run to this beautiful country of ours to escape their own dictator governments...why is that?

morpheus24:


What sort of supporting preposition is that?

How can we just "trust" you, we don't know you. For all we know you could be a mental patient at an asylum using the internet to pass time while being administered medication.

No backup facts, no evidence, no clarification of your statement.

morpheus24:


I can give you some valid insight into why?

1. The geography of the place was modified by nature and therefore is naturally beautiful. Therefore the insinuation that somehow it is beautiful because you are there is conjecture.

morpheus24:
2. Africans in general including your Bantu ancestors "run" to that place because the topography is beautiful. Do you know of any human being who doesn't like a beautiful thing. It is unfortunate or rather "fortunate" that you made it there before others.

morpheus24:
3.The fully developed democratic systems that operate within the country are an inheritance of the administrative qualities of colonial and settler populations that persisted in the region much longer than most other African nations therefore it would be fair to say, most of the "Africans" were not "directly" involved in the maturity of democracy up until say the late 20th century. It would therefore be a presumptious statement on your part since we cannot compare apples with apples in the peculiar case of South African history as compared to more similar histories of most other African states.

Jayceon:
you strayed away from the real issue here

We all know SA is naturally beautiful but that isn't really why africans seek refuge here.the real issues here are economic,political hardships their respective countries find themselves in,they escape civil wars,hunger,deadly diseases(malaria,ebola,aids,cholera,etc) etc.

So I don't think SA is a "hell hole" as some people who enjoy bashing South Africa and its citizens would say

you are being denial but it's okay, I won't put pressure on you

Jayceon:

My ancestors didn't risk crocodile infested rivers just to see 'natural beauty' they have always been here,that "South Africa was an empty land" story was forged by the white settlers to justify their thievery and you bought that hogwash

Jayceon:

Do you think nigerians like beautiful things when they have destroyed all of Lagos infrastructure??

this is your opinion and is best if you keep it

morpheus24:


This was posted on a Nairaland forum so it has been made my business cause this is my house.

Why are you here on Nairaland worried about what useless people are saying about your country. Shouldn't you be toyi toying for free education somewhere on the streets of Benoni?

MduZA:


you and I have got same status on this forum,dont even try to destroy the good International reputation of Someone's business...unlike Your compatriots queing For asylums daily in pretoria,I'm accessing this forum from Joburg,its a matter of login and out..thats internet For you..!did nt you join the february 5th National Hunger protest led by 2Face?..i still maintain Whatever happens in SA...none of Your business,unless you are worried due to the fact that SA is Your new colonizer!

Jayceon:
pure gospel

darknetcom:


guy..give yourself a break..

i made this thread to say what i noticed lately in south africa...rascm is new..thats all...

i dont give a fvck about south africa..

south aftica isnt that big sef and doesnt have that much population like nigeria....

you pissed off and want to prove something??..

your headache,not mine...

MduZA:


you and I have got same status on this forum,dont even try to destroy the good International reputation of Someone's business...unlike Your compatriots queing For asylums daily in pretoria,I'm accessing this forum from Joburg,its a matter of login and out..thats internet For you..!did nt you join the february 5th National Hunger protest led by 2Face?..i still maintain Whatever happens in SA...none of Your business,unless you are worried due to the fact that SA is Your new colonizer!

Jayceon:
pure gospel

Jayceon:
pure gospel

MduZA:


you and I have got same status on this forum,dont even try to destroy the good International reputation of Someone's business...unlike Your compatriots queing For asylums daily in pretoria,I'm accessing this forum from Joburg,its a matter of login and out..thats internet For you..!did nt you join the february 5th National Hunger protest led by 2Face?..i still maintain Whatever happens in SA...none of Your business,unless you are worried due to the fact that SA is Your new colonizer!

Omoluabi16:
how many foreigners have you feral hiv ridden lot killed today? I won't blame you though. The rest of africa should have left you to kiss the white man's a** forever. I assure you..you'll regret it. you b*******s

morpheus24:


You and I know my compatriots are not real asylum seekers and are "gaming" your system much the same as those "colonizer" SA companies in Nigeria. You set up shop, exploit our population size, repatriate our money via tax evasion and tax avoidance

We reciprocate, we send you our degenerate human capital,, colonize your streets, exploit your women, sell you nyaope and send the proceeds back to the village to build papa the house he has been waiting for.

A fair trade if you ask me, if you don't want it otherwise please ask all them companies to leave Naija with immediate effect and I will advocate with full force the repatriation of Nigerians from SA.

Deal?

MduZA:


those SAn companies in your country are scattered all over the continent....the fact that your country cannot create her own to match them ,they will dominate your market whether you like it or not..since you are bragging about selling drugs in SA , don't cry foul about xenophobia when the very people you are selling drugs on turn against you ....You will only colonize our streets in your imagination,surely you know where we place you..!

morpheus24:


Look at your streets today and see all the xenophobia taking place. You people are not worthy to be called Africans and should change your name to AfrIkaner "dogs" of the Pseudo African state known as South Africa.

You are a disgrace to the continent and all of Africa knows it.

If there are criminal foreign nationals in your community, fish them out, report them to police if not report them to your press, if not then report them to your government using evidence to back up your claims but you can't do that, masking your hateful and angry hearts with false accusations.

Since 2008 to 2017

MduZA:


on your last comment you bragged about your compatriots selling drugs in SA...what is currently taking place in Pretoria is the effects of that...if you think your people will do as they please,here you are in a wrong country...I remember how you warned last time about attacks on foreigners in SA,your people have been singled out this time around..cant wait to see your country artificial muscles!

morpheus24:


1. I did not brag about my compatriots illicit activity, I simply gave an opinion on the reciprocal effects of exploitation that takes place in relation to both countries so don't contextualize my statements. If you want me to clarify my statements simply ask.

2. The issues going on in Atteridgeville, Mamelodi and Pretoria west in general are not channeled at brothels or areas where illicit activity are taking place, therefore you cannot claim you are attacking criminals, they are going about rampaging and trying to penetrate mostly SOMALI neighbourhoods to burn down houses and loot. Stop peddling false narratives, unlike most of your people most African can think with their brains.

Please admit a good number of your people are Xenophobes a symptom of the same disdain Whites had for you, you are projecting. Why not march to Cape town, Sea point and rest where White foreign nationals are buying up all the property there and excluding you from areas in your own country. COWARDS!

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MduZA:


do you admit that many of your people are into drugs and human trafficking businesses in SA?...

MduZA:

you are bringing the issue of whites as if they are foreigners,they are south Africans,you cannot change it..foreigners have been working in south African mines since 1888,nobody accused them of taking jobs but since our boarders are opened for you Nigerians..things have changed,,you have brought in your element of crime..its unfortunate innocent law abiding foreigners are also affected by the axe not meant for them...Im glad that south Africans are now beginning to see who the criminals are..you Nigerians!

morpheus24:


1.I have never denied this fact anywhere in any commentary I have ever made.

2. You must quantify what you mean by "many". What categorizes the many you are talking about? Is it the many you see, the many you come in contact with or the many you have evidence to present.

3. There are approximately 800,000 Nigerians in South Africa, for argument purposes lets inflate this to 1 million.

Extrapolate from this number females who are less likely to commit these crimes and using a ration of 3:1 which is a modest ratio of women to men in the world the number is reduced to 300,000 potential Male criminals.

Extrapolate males aged 1 to 18 who are less likely to zero of engaging in illicit activity at a ratio od 2:1 the number of potential males reduces to 150,000 potential male criminals

Further extrapolate professional Nigerians who are engaged in legal activities such as Doctors, Teachers, Engineers, Barbers, Business owners, Exporters, Government officials at embassies etc at a ration of 3:1 you get only 50,000 potential male criminals

Now you can say 50,000 is a lot but if you compare that number to the total number of SA which is 51 million and further juxtapose that to the total population of Nigerians in South Africa 1 million and the total Nigerian population resident in Nigeria 170 milllion you will see how s.t.u.p.id your people are when you say many or most Nigerians are into illicit business.





There are whites who are foreigners who live all around the country who take jobs in highly skilled sectors, They are from allover Europe. They exploit your people, hire black foreigners at cheap and discard your services because you are lazy. No mentioned of these folks during your loud discourse or so called protests/looting. None what so ever. Is it because you are afraid of them?

You are attacking other black foreign nationals including Somalis, Malawians and the likes so this is not isolated to Nigerians. You start off with Nigerians but almost always add others you have contempt for. Tell the truth.

The black foreigners who came in the 1800's to work mostly from Zimbabwe, Malawi and the likes were not bothered becaus they represented an insignificant number because of work restrictions during colonizaion and the Apatheid area, e\ after working they returned or repatriated their wealth back to their countries. The remainder that stayed,adopted SA languages integrated and dissolved into existing communties

MduZA:


We are not complaining about foreigners taking jobs...we are complaining about Nigerians selling drugs,don't you get it?...the are many foreign nationals in many sectors in Nigeria exploiting your people,surely you know that..do you know why some businesses prefer hiring your people in SA,they don't want to follow labour laws,they pay your people peanuts,your people work abnormal hours..this is the reality you will never admit...dont equate white people doing legal business with your drug dealers..Nigerians residing in Sunnyside and hilbrow are not doctors,they are drug dealers,burnt houses in rosentanville were not rented by Nigerian doctors but drug dealers...I told you some months ago that since you Nigerians don't want to admit and change your behaviour...you will always be in the receiving end!

MduZA:


We are not complaining about foreigners taking jobs...we are complaining about Nigerians selling drugs,don't you get it?...

the are many foreign nationals in many sectors in Nigeria exploiting your people,surely you know that..do you know why some businesses prefer hiring your people in SA,they don't want to follow labour laws,they pay your people peanuts,your people work for abnormal hours..this is the reality you will never admit...dont equate white people doing legal business with your drug dealers..Nigerians residing in Sunnyside and hilbrow are not doctors,they are drug dealers,burnt houses in rosentanville were not rented by Nigerian doctors but drug dealers...I told you some months ago that since you Nigerians don't want to admit and change your behaviour...you will always be in the receiving end!

MduZA:

the are many foreign nationals in many sectors in Nigeria exploiting your people,surely you know that..do you know why some businesses prefer hiring your people in SA,they don't want to follow labour laws,they pay your people peanuts,your people work for abnormal hours..this is the reality you will never admit..

MduZA:

Nigerians residing in Sunnyside and hilbrow are not doctors,they are drug dealers,burnt houses in rosentanville were not rented by Nigerian doctors but drug dealers...I told you some months ago that since you Nigerians don't want to admit and change your behaviour...you will always be in the receiving end

morpheus24:


Look at your streets today and see all the xenophobia taking place. You people are not worthy to be called Africans and should change your name to AfrIkaner "dogs" of the Pseudo African state known as South Africa.

You are a disgrace to the continent and all of Africa knows it.

If there are criminal foreign nationals in your community, fish them out, report them to police if not report them to your press, if not then report them to your government using evidence to back up your claims but you can't do that, masking your hateful and angry hearts with false accusations.

Since 2008 to 2017

LeSudAfricaine:
Nigerian hav this deluded view that south Africans don't have jobs , it's only them who work, I really find it funny, I mean if they are such w orkaholics why don't they develop they country then instead running to already made countries

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morpheus24:


the are many foreign nationals in many sectors in Nigeria exploiting your people,surely you know that..do you know why some businesses prefer hiring your people in SA,they don't want to follow labour laws,they pay your people peanuts,your people work for abnormal hours..this is the reality you will never admit...dont equate white people doing legal business with your drug dealers..Nigerians residing in Sunnyside and hilbrow are not doctors,they are drug dealers,burnt houses in rosentanville were not rented by Nigerian doctors but drug dealers...I told you some months ago that since you Nigerians don't want to admit and change your behaviour...you will always be in the receiving end!

You are either a block head or an illiterate.

Point 1. You are complaining about foreigners taking jobs, stop peddling false narratives. You are disguising your economic sufferings and failures of your governments with issues of criminality within foreign communities. You are a violent people and express yourselves violently

Violence in your parliament SONA 2017

Violence in your protests #FEES must fall

Violence in your football games #Sundowns beat Pirates

Violence in Rosentenville..... Burning down and looting goods and properties

Now Violence today on your streets..... attacking immigrant communities and not only Nigerians



the are many foreign nationals in many sectors in Nigeria exploiting your people,surely you know that..do you know why some businesses prefer hiring your people in SA,they don't want to follow labour laws,they pay your people peanuts,your people work for abnormal hours..this is the reality you will never admit..
Incoherence, Fallacy and false logic.

1.How do you relate this to your protests and mob actions on foreign migrants.?

2. What foreign nationals are you refering to and what sector do they work in.?

3. Most Nigerians in SA are professionals who work as doctors, lawyers, engineers, teachers who are paid on par with their South African counter parts. They are also taxed the same so that point is nonsensical and outright lieing.

4. Many Nigerians are business owners who run various businesses. The rest are jobless who engage in illicit activities who refuse to work as house boys, cleaners, waiters and the likes. Those jobs are filled with other SADC countries citizens. Another lie.


Nigerians residing in Sunnyside and hilbrow are not doctors,they are drug dealers,burnt houses in rosentanville were not rented by Nigerian doctors but drug dealers...I told you some months ago that since you Nigerians don't want to admit and change your behaviour...you will always be in the receiving end

If the majority of Nigerians who traffic drugs and so are in Sunnyside, why is the mob action taking place in Mamelodi and Atteridgeville. Why is the TV footage not focusing on these areas. Stop exposing your S.t.u.pidity here. We can follow whats going on live.

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LeSudAfricaine:
Nigerian hav this deluded view that south Africans don't have jobs , it's only them who work, I really find it funny, I mean if they are such w orkaholics why don't they develop they country then instead running to already made countries

MduZA:


selling drugs and using teenage girls as prostitutes ,that's what they call jobs..whether we are lazy or xenophobic,we don't care...this is our country..if they don't want to behave like humans...let them go back to their zooooo..or else

LeSudAfricaine:
fortunately it's not up to you to dictate who should be African who should be not.

LeSudAfricaine:


need I remain you its you Nigerians who have spoiled the image of Africans worldwide with your criminal antics, if anyone should be called a disgrace its you! The Malaysians know it, the Indian know it, the world knows it

MduZA:


selling drugs and using teenage girls as prostitutes ,that's what they call jobs..whether we are lazy or xenophobic,we don't care...this is our country..if they don't want to behave like humans...let them go back to their zooooo..or else

LeSudAfricaine:
everyone complains about Nigerians, t only becomes a problem when its South Africa. Do you know he treatment meted on them by the indians in india?

LeSudAfricaine:

Belgium has many immigrants from the Congo and other francophone countries but you would never hear negative stories about such people.

LeSudAfricaine:
Is there any country in Africa with as many African immigrants as South Africa? We've been living side by side with Zimbabweans, Mozambicans etc for many decades are we all of a sudden xenophobic? I for one don't give a rat's asss for being called xenophobic the term has lost its relevance