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jakeporeshenko:
Nah common man that's not what you said, you didn't say thesame thing as I said, you said in a more "master and slave tone" .... you were like South Africa is the only SSA country that has mutually beneficial exercises with western militaries.

The arrogant manner in which you presented it sparked the whole argument.

I don't subscribe to the meaningless nonsense of using the Sahara as a border. So, actually, and factually, I said Algeria, Morocco, Egypt, SA were the only ones with whom they hold exercises of equals. And not exercises where they come to train.
Where's the insult in the above? The whole thing degenerated when people read whatever they read into the above. The "master/teacher" thing came later, and yes, not my best moment here and I own that.

And I'd made the observation about Flintock before that.

frumentius:
Well, I was and am going beyond superficial photos and videos. Things like "Basic Marksmanship" and "Combat Radio Procedure" for example, have no place in an SOF exercise. And some of the scenarios. Jesus wept!

The photos and videos is what this thread is all about. It is believed that every individual is conversant with the basics. Coming over to waste time on things like basic marksmanship is very unfortunate.

There are other scenarios, combat parachuting, counter ambush, FIBUA but basic marksmanship shouldn't have been added.

Nigerian navy

Henry240:
Nigerian navy

Is that an Agusta bird on the OPV? Where did I get the idea that Unity and Centenary's hangars were too small for the A-109?

Members of the Moroccan Royal Amed Forces' special operations forces condut direct action raid, March 3, during #Flintlock17. They are joined by a Marine from Marine Corps Special Operations Command.

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frumentius:
Is that an Agusta bird on the OPV?

Yes, there's always an Agusta embarked during patrols or training exercises from the Naval air station in Ojo or Warri.

frumentius:
Is that an Agusta bird on the OPV? Where did I get the idea that Unity and Centenary's hangars were too small for the A-109?

The hangars can accommodate a Panther helicopter or Z-9, I'm sure they are larger than the A-109.

frumentius:
I don't subscribe to the meaningless nonsense of using the Sahara as a border. So, actually, and factually, I said Algeria, Morocco, Egypt, SA were the only ones with whom they hold exercises of equals. And not exercises where they come to train.
Where's the insult in the above? The whole thing degenerated when people read whatever they read into the above. The "master/teacher" thing came later, and yes, not my best moment here and I own that.

And I'd made the observation about Flintock before that.

Yeah but it's not a bloddy fact though can't you understand this simple thing I am trying to pass on to you, on this same thread I have posted pictures of US army green beret mastering tracking and other skill with BIR commandos in Cameroon, Its not safe to assume you know everything happening on the continent. Someone also once mentioned US SOF sometimes trained with UPDF on jungle survival techniques, if that is not mutually beneficial I don't know what is.

frumentius:
I don't subscribe to the meaningless nonsense of using the Sahara as a border. So, actually, and factually, I said Algeria, Morocco, Egypt, SA were the only ones with whom they hold exercises of equals. And not exercises where they come to train.
Where's the insult in the above? The whole thing degenerated when people read whatever they read into the above. The "master/teacher" thing came later, and yes, not my best moment here and I own that.

And I'd made the observation about Flintock before that.

However I was able to prove this wasn't the case during that argument, with photo evidence.

Berliet VXB of the Senegalese police.

I have always liked this vehicle, looks like a miniature Ratel.

It was produced with hydrojets and was supposed to be amphibious.

Fun fact: the SADF imported one of these for trials during the Ratel programme. They were testing its supposedly amphibious capabilities by having it cross a deep river. The VXB sank to the bottom near the halfway point and was no longer serviceable afterwards.

This incident was covered in a very interesting book called "The VAB family of armoured vehicles", by Marx Stefan.

frumentius:
My last Armed Forces Day 2017 pics.

Pic 3: The woman has two pistols!!!

Patchesagain:
Pic 3: The woman has two pistols!!!

It's military police, what can one say?

frumentius:
My last Armed Forces Day 2017 pics.

Since/introduced when?

ssaengine:
Since/introduced when?

The Roni? Outside of SF/Pathfinders - Marines, MPs, Air Force Task Force have had them for a while now.

frumentius:
It's military police, what can one say?

I saw the gun, then instantly looked to see if her holster was empty... MP's and their Gucci kit

Also... since she is an MP... where is her Yellow Bib? Everyone knows MP's derive their power from their yellow bibs

On vehicles like the Reva FAV, Nigerian IPV, Hornet, Panhad SPV, Jackal, FIV and other types of Special Forces vehicles, I never said I don't like them.

I said in reality and purpose of the argument I prefer vehicles like the Plasan Sandcat or M-ATV for Special forces. I said for the Nigerian threat environment, vehicles like the Sandcat are better. I wanted to get a proper argument that would support a contrary view.

Unfortunately, all the respondents could not provide a good argument, @Frumentius was busy posting photos of the SPV in service of other European armies, with a message of how "they were wrong and I was right " and how I "know more than them".

To his credit, only Patches gave a reasonable argument, however all he said, could still be and are currently replicated by the Plasan Sandcat.

On the Hornet, although it is ugly, I like the vehicle as it provides a compliment of some of the things I want to see in an SPV with it's own characteristics of a Fast Intervention Vehicle.


So, No! I did not begin to like Fast Intervention Vehicles because Nigeria is building them. No!

Patchesagain:
I saw the gun, then instantly looked to see if her holster was empty... MP's and their Gucci kit

Also... since she is an MP... where is her Yellow Bib? Everyone knows MP's derive their power from their yellow bibs

I shall not speak ill of MPs!
MPs are everyone's friend!

off topic :Kenyan civilian shooters training with Robert "Bob" Gordon Vogel a US professional marksman, competition shooter, and National/World champion.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Vogel_(marksman)

 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4XiPHaAFlzE

Off Topic:
A US Special Forces Stryker Armored Vehicle spotted in Syria.

Off Topic:
Some sort of SSM seen in Syria.

kenya administration marine police unit

Slightly off-topic:

Now this is what I call simplifying your logs and maintenance:-
Panther
Dauphin
Alouette III
Gazelle

In one fell swoop, all these helis in the French Army, Navy and Air Force will be replaced by about 190 Airbus Helicopters H160.

Sudanese soldier

Ze Germans have arrived.

No half measures for these guys. 5 x AN-124 delivering cargo to TFDC at AFB Overberg. This Airbus MRTT came in with 4 x Tornados who peeled off the wing at Overberg.

Pics: Courtesy of http://www.saairforce.co.za/forum/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=2507&p=113927#p113927

Patchesagain:
Another example is the USAF using the B-52 in place of the A-10.

Come again

(Operating cost keeps flooding my mind when I read the above)

GH IS 60- WHETHER U LIKE IT OR NOT THE BOSS HAS ARRIVED IT NOT TIME FOR ARGUMENT.

GH IS 60

NAF Regiment, either that's a Gatling gun or a 50.Cal with the barrel removed.

Back from the SA base in Antarctica, Agulhas II in Simon's Town ready for dry-dock and maintenance.

Henry240:
On vehicles like the Reva FAV, Nigerian IPV, Hornet, Panhad SPV, Jackal, FIV and other types of Special Forces vehicles, I never said I don't like them.

I said in reality and purpose of the argument I prefer vehicles like the Plasan Sandcat or M-ATV for Special forces. I said for the Nigerian threat environment, vehicles like the Sandcat are better. I wanted to get a proper argument that would support a contrary view.

Unfortunately, all the respondents could not provide a good argument, @Frumentius was busy posting photos of the SPV in service of other European armies, with a message of how "they were wrong and I was right " and how I "know more than them".

To his credit, only Patches gave a reasonable argument, however all he said, could still be and are currently replicated by the Plasan Sandcat.

On the Hornet, although it is ugly, I like the vehicle as it provides a compliment of some of the things I want to see in an SPV with it's own characteristics of a Fast Intervention Vehicle.


So, No! I did not begin to like Fast Intervention Vehicles because Nigeria is building them. No!

I was the one who created the Firestorm about the Hornet that is so beloved by our South African brethren.
Let me add my two cents and create Firestorm#2
It appears the lessons from Bangui has not been learned.This vehicle will not fare well in an urban warfare setting of Mosul and despite the pleas of my South African brethren it will suffer against a fast moving urban terrorists gang swarming on two more fronts simultaneously.

jakeporeshenko:
NAF Regiment, either that's a Gatling gun or a 50.Cal with the barrel removed.

I go with number 2. Barrel of a 50.Cal removed.