Can a Christian own slaves? Can Christians filled blessed when they own slaves? What do they say to God in their prayers ?

Christians should not abuse, bully, maltreat or enslave fellow men. It's evil

panafrican:


Can a Christian own slaves? Can Christians filled blessed when they own slaves? What they say to God in their prayers ?

Are you planning to buy one, and how relevant is this your question in this age?

Flamezreal:
Are you planning to buy one, and how relevant is this your question in this age?

I'm telling you. Slave in 21st century?

Ofcourse, christians can buy slaves since their sky daddy - Yahweh endorses slavery.

1.) Genesis chapter 17, verse 12:

“And he that is eight days old shall be circumcised among you, every man child in your generations, he that is born in the house, or bought with money of any stranger, which is not of thy seed. He that is born in thy house, and he that is bought with thy money, must needs be circumcised”.

In this passage God understands that people buy other people and, quite obviously, is comfortable with the concept. God wants slaves circumcised in the same way as non-slaves.

2.) Exodus chapter 12 verse 43:

The Lord said to Moses and Aaron, “These are the regulations for the Passover: No foreigner is to eat of it. Any slave you have bought may eat of it after you have circumcised him, but a temporary resident and a hired worker may not eat of it”.

God again shows that he is completely comfortable with the concept of slavery and singles out slaves for special treatment.

3.) Exodus Chapter 21, verse 20:

“If a man beats his male or female slave with a rod and the slave dies as a direct result, he must be punished, but he is not to be punished if the slave gets up after a day or two, since the slave is his property”.

Not only does God condone slavery, but he is also completely comfortable with the concept of beating your slaves, as long as you don't kill them.

I'll stop here for now. Christians - oya come defend your white-bearded, roasted-meat loving, sky-daddy

One of the reasons why the American Civil War was fought was that the Southern Christian fundamentalists wanted to hold on to their slaves because it's their God given right and they had numerous Bible passages to back them up like the ones quoted above.
So, as far as the old testament is still part of the Bible and hasn't been scrapped, my brother, as a Christian, you're allowed to keep slaves.
Watch luvmijeje, enshy and Godsmopol come for my hide.

CatfishBilly:
One of the reasons why the American Civil War was fought was that the Southern Christian fundamentalists wanted to hold on to their slaves because it's their God given right and they had numerous Bible passages to back them up like the ones quoted above.
So, as far as the old testament is still part of the Bible and hasn't been scrapped, my brother, as a Christian, you're allowed to keep slaves.
Watch luvmijeje, enshy and Godsmopol come for my hide.

Looool, I love God, see how they are looking, your looks aren't that suspicious as I suppose. Even when its over suspicious, I really don't have anything to say on this. Slavery mba, I disagree. A muslim would tell you he's a slave for allah, a Christians would say He's a son of God and others would say they are hiers with Christ, i woukd say, well, its not greed, am a joint hier with Christ. Deep though, even if you don't believe, very true. I really wish to see the look on your faces right now. Looool

no more slaves, Paul spoke about not thinking one selves higher than

Romans 12:3 For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, *not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think*; but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith.

About slavery though, its a personal opinion thing, I can chose to adopt someone as a foster child, raise them as I would raise my kids, my neighbour at the shop has a lady, though I believe she's not looking as good as her children, but I was shocked seeing the Madam and her sales girl which is more like a slave, riding on the same bike, someone might have commanded her to trek, their house is not that far, but a bit far, at least, her children do trek the distance in those days when things were not as good for them as it is now.

About slavery, I really don't believe in it, I think we should treat everyone equally, with love and brotherly care

GodsMopol:
no more slaves, Paul spoke about not thinking one selves higher than

Romans 12:3 For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, *not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think*; but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith.

Paul is not God, his opinion shouldn't trump God's directives.
I've noted your personal views though.

CatfishBilly:

Paul is not God, his opinion shouldn't trump God's directives.
I've noted your personal views though.

Paul is not God I know, Paul was inspired to write as the Holy Ghost have him utterance, okay, lemme just rephrase, The Holy Spirit through Paul, if you are okay with that. Its not Paul writing, but Holy Men spoke as they were moved

2 Peter 1:21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.

Its not the person that's writing that we regard but the Holy Ghost that moved them to write

Christians can only be moral by rejecting some of the teaching of their Gods.

The Christian Gods approved of slavery, but by outlawing slavery, many Christians have rejected their Gods' endorsement of slavery, and thus become more moral.

The Christian Gods approved of torturing and executing people for heresy, but by outlawing punishment of heresy, many Christians have rejected one of their Gods' many endorsement of murder, and thus become more moral.

The Christian Gods approved of selling female children as sex slaves, but by the treatment of children as fungible property, even if the children are cursed with two X chromosomes, many Christians have rejected their Gods' endorsement of treating children as property, and thus become more moral.

Obviously, the list of Christian immorality required by their Gods is one that could go on for pages, but many Christians have rejected their Gods' requirements for immorality, and thus become more moral.

Atheists do not have to overcome the same immoral dogma.

And then there is this one: atheists have morals because they live in a predominantly Christian culture. Apparently it is catching.
My response to that one is that I have morals despite growing up in a Christian besotted environment.

GodsMopol:


Paul is not God I know, Paul was inspired to write as the Holy Ghost have him utterance, okay, lemme just rephrase, The Holy Spirit through Paul, if you are okay with that. Its not Paul writing, but Holy Men spoke as they were moved

2 Peter 1:21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.

Its not the person that's writing that we regard but the Holy Ghost that moved them to write

So, what you're saying in essence is that God was cool with Slavery in the Old testament but in the New Testament he changed his mind?
If I'm not mistaken, there's a portion of the Bible that says God is not a man that he should repent.

Zoharariel:
Ofcourse, christians can buy slaves since their sky daddy - Yahweh endorses slavery.

1.) Genesis chapter 17, verse 12:

“And he that is eight days old shall be circumcised among you, every man child in your generations, he that is born in the house, or bought with money of any stranger, which is not of thy seed. He that is born in thy house, and he that is bought with thy money, must needs be circumcised”.

In this passage God understands that people buy other people and, quite obviously, is comfortable with the concept. God wants slaves circumcised in the same way as non-slaves.

2.) Exodus chapter 12 verse 43:

The Lord said to Moses and Aaron, “These are the regulations for the Passover: No foreigner is to eat of it. Any slave you have bought may eat of it after you have circumcised him, but a temporary resident and a hired worker may not eat of it”.

God again shows that he is completely comfortable with the concept of slavery and singles out slaves for special treatment.

3.) Exodus Chapter 21, verse 20:

“If a man beats his male or female slave with a rod and the slave dies as a direct result, he must be punished, but he is not to be punished if the slave gets up after a day or two, since the slave is his property”.

Not only does God condone slavery, but he is also completely comfortable with the concept of beating your slaves, as long as you don't kill them.

I'll stop here for now. Christians - oya come defend your white-bearded, roasted-meat loving, sky-daddy

Old things are past away, all things have become new. Old testament bro, not really binding, the reason such verses are still in the Bible is so we can appreciate the New Testament and see how difficult it was back then, bringing the difficulty to present days, not Jesus days self is not needful. Its old.

Something in the old testament are still binding, like the Psalms, Proverbs, And other books which teaches one or two things that's not found in the new testament. I use this principle as.my guide in the Bible, if in 2001 there was a decree that people should always eat outdoor, and before 2017, there is a new decree that says otherwise along that line of though, or in the same vein of thought, its wise to go with the present binding decree, by the way, has Nigeria change from the 1999 written constitution till date.

hopefulLandlord:
Christians can only be moral by rejecting some of the teaching of their Gods.

The Christian Gods approved of slavery, but by outlawing slavery, many Christians have rejected their Gods' endorsement of slavery, and thus become more moral.

The Christian Gods approved of torturing and executing people for heresy, but by outlawing punishment of heresy, many Christians have rejected one of their Gods' many endorsement of murder, and thus become more moral.

The Christian Gods approved of selling female children as sex slaves, but by the treatment of children as fungible property, even if the children are cursed with two X chromosomes, many Christians have rejected their Gods' endorsement of treating children as property, and thus become more moral.

Obviously, the list of Christian immorality required by their Gods is one that could go on for pages, but many Christians have rejected their Gods' requirements for immorality, and thus become more moral.

Atheists do not have to overcome the same immoral dogma.

And then there is this one: atheists have morals because they live in a predominantly Christian culture. Apparently it is catching.
My response to that one is that I have morals despite growing up in a Christian besotted environment.

How you take reach here egbon, lol

I actually just read your post, I believe e*shy would answer you question better, he's a specialist along that line, but I never come across a place in the Bible where there was an express approval bring given to the list of immortality above. God is just. Unless we humanly imply them

CatfishBilly:

So, what you're saying in essence is that God was cool with Slavery in the Old testament but in the New Testament he changed his mind?
If I'm not mistaken, there's a portion of the Bible that says God is not a man that he should repent.

The law was giving to men with hard hearts.

1 Timothy 1:9 Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers, 1:10 For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;

Matthew 19:7 They say unto him, Why did Moses then command to give a writing of divorcement, and to put her away? 19:8 He saith unto them, Moses because of the hardness of your hearts suffered you to put away your wives: but from the beginning it was not so.

God might not be cool with it, but God had to put some measure in place so when the perfect comes, the imperfect would be put away

1Cor 13:10 But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away.

I would say man couldn't attain to perfection, it was a bigger standard, most of those laws were to bring them and or prepare them for the coming and arrival of Jesus. What shall I liken it to, its like a school, you would get to primary 5, but you need to be in primary 1,2,3 and 4.

Galatians 3:24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.

I wish am really explaining it as you need the answers

GodsMopol:


The law was giving to men with hard hearts.

1 Timothy 1:9 Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers, 1:10 For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;

Matthew 19:7 They say unto him, Why did Moses then command to give a writing of divorcement, and to put her away? 19:8 He saith unto them, Moses because of the hardness of your hearts suffered you to put away your wives: but from the beginning it was not so.

God might not be cool with it, but God had to put some measure in place so when the perfect comes, the imperfect would be put away

1Cor 13:10 But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away.

I would say man couldn't attain to perfection, it was a bigger standard, most of those laws were to bring them and or prepare them for the coming and arrival of Jesus. What shall I liken it to, its like a school, you would get to primary 5, but you need to be in primary 1,2,3 and 4.

Galatians 3:24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.

I wish am really explaining it as you need the answers

The same Jesus said that he didn't come to abolish the law but to fulfill it.
There are so many old testament laws that modern day Christian leaders want Christians to uphold. Particularly in the area of tithe and first fruit so, why don't they enforce the full old testament instead of being picky with which one to enforce?

hopefulLandlord:


The Christian Gods approved of selling female children as sex slaves, but by the treatment of children as fungible property, even if the children are cursed with two X chromosomes, many Christians have rejected their Gods' endorsement of treating children as property, and thus become more moral.

Obviously, the list of Christian immorality required by their Gods is one that could go on for pages, but many Christians have rejected their Gods' requirements for immorality, and thus become more moral.

.

really?? i never knew of the sex slaves stuff o... pls share the link or scripture with me

CatfishBilly:

The same Jesus said that he didn't come to abolish the law but to fulfill it.
There are so many old testament laws that modern day Christian leaders want Christians to uphold. Particularly in the area of tithe and first fruit so, why don't they enforce the full old testament instead of being picky with which one to enforce?

no bro.... they cherrypick.... its very common within Pentecostal movements... they choose what favors them and discards the rest.. they can jump to Malachi on tithes but they won't remember Deuteronomy telling them not to eat pork, snails and wearing mixed fibres.. they just carried the instructions given to Israel on their head like govt work

GodsMopol:


Old things are past away, all things have become new. Old testament bro, not really binding, the reason such verses are still in the Bible is so we can appreciate the New Testament and see how difficult it was back then, bringing the difficulty to present days, not Jesus days self is not needful. Its old.

Something in the old testament are still binding, like the Psalms, Proverbs, And other books which teaches one or two things that's not found in the new testament. I use this principle as.my guide in the Bible, if in 2001 there was a decree that people should always eat outdoor, and before 2017, there is a new decree that says otherwise along that line of though, or in the same vein of thought, its wise to go with the present binding decree, by the way, has Nigeria change from the 1999 written constitution till date.

but d new testament welcomes slavery,Eph6:5-9,Col3:22-24,4:1.

tijjanioyan:
but d new testament welcomes slavery,Eph6:5-9,Col3:22-24,4:1.

I don die
Wow. Just read those scriptures, I'm short of words really.
It's official, the new testament supports slavery.
Panafrican, you can have all the slaves your merry little heart wants.
The Holy Ghost through Paul just confirmed it.
God didn't repent. He was cool with it in the old testament, he's also cool with it in the new.

GodsMopol:


Old things are past away, all things have become new. Old testament bro, not really binding, the reason such verses are still in the Bible is so we can appreciate the New Testament and see how difficult it was back then, bringing the difficulty to present days, not Jesus days self is not needful. Its old.

Something in the old testament are still binding, like the Psalms, Proverbs, And other books which teaches one or two things that's not found in the new testament. I use this principle as.my guide in the Bible, if in 2001 there was a decree that people should always eat outdoor, and before 2017, there is a new decree that says otherwise along that line of though, or in the same vein of thought, its wise to go with the present binding decree, by the way, has Nigeria change from the 1999 written constitution till date.

I didn't know you were this dumb. If indeed old things are passed away and all things have become new, then how come your greedy, private-jet loving pastors & G.Os never abolish tithing?

Afterall, it originated from the old testament and was strictly ordained for use by the levites as written in Numbers 18:21 - fvcking hypocrite!

CatfishBilly:

I don die
Wow. Just read those scriptures, I'm short of words really.
It's official, the new testament supports slavery.
Panafrican, you can have all the slaves your merry little heart wants.
The Holy Ghost through Paul just confirmed it.
God didn't repent. He was cool with it in the old testament, he's also cool with it in the new.

I was just thinking about the hypocrisy ( if not the absurdity ) which comes with the " compassionate Western Christian " slave masters. How can God be happy or cool with someone who treats other people like animals?

I'm definitely going to open a rebuttal thread on this. Hopefully before Sunday I should be able to do it and I will quote those who love quoting Bible wrongly.

luvmijeje:
I'm definitely going to open a rebuttal thread on this. Hopefully before Sunday I should be able to do it and I will quote those who love quoting Bible wrongly.

I'm waiting to see how you'll spin this one.
Really.

CatfishBilly:

I'm waiting to see how you'll spin this one.
Really.

I don't deal with spinning. I deal with Biblical facts.

CatfishBilly:

I'm waiting to see how you'll spin this one.
Really.

there are gotquestions and other apologist sites who have twisted it not to mean slavery lol

I find their explanations hilarious

I promise to destroy those nonsense if luvmijeje can open the thread today

hopefulLandlord:


there are gotquestions and other apologist sites who have twisted it not to mean slavery lol

I find their explanations hilarious

I promise to destroy those nonsense if luvmijeje can open the thread today

Hehehe... .. ... At least I've two people that will read and comment on my soon to come thread.

CatfishBilly:

The same Jesus said that he didn't come to abolish the law but to fulfill it.
There are so many old testament laws that modern day Christian leaders want Christians to uphold. Particularly in the area of tithe and first fruit so, why don't they enforce the full old testament instead of being picky with which one to enforce?

Yeap, that's correct, Jesus said, He didn't come to destroy, but to fulfill. How would He fulfill it?

Galatians 3:24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.

Lemme go via this route, cause this is a tough question,

When Jesus made that statement, He was speaking specifically about what pertained to His life and those things that pertained to Him that He must fulfil in the old testament, for instance, in the old testament, they kill lambs and goat for the atonement of sins, but Jesus fulfilled it by you understand.

Jonah was in the belle of the fish for 3 days, the children of Israel were bitten by snakes, and God told Moses to cast a bronze serpent and a cross, all this things were pictures of Jesus which was written concerning Him in the old testament, of which He must make His life and pertain His life along the line of what was written so as to fulfil them.

You can run a search on fulfil in the new testament and the list is endless and they pertain to what a prophet has said concerning the life which Jesus was meant to live according to them as directed by God, and by so doing, He fulfil the law and the prophets.

About abolishing, I ran into a post on NL saying something like that, many times Paul and other disciples make reference to the old testament when ministering, some has been reformed, some are still binding. In other words, some have been amended, like I said, we have 1999 constitution, if there is an amendment, it would either be a provision for utteration of the contents of the law, so you are not destroying, you are just codifying or redirecting the law.

Lambs and sheep's were killed, somethings were not possible in the old testament that we can freely do in the new, its not like it wasn't possible then, it was possible, but there was limited access, we have unlimited access now.

As regards tithe, Paul spoke about tithe in Hebrews 7, now Paul was trying to say, Abraham was not a priest, and he paid tithe, and the levite who were ordained to pay tithe according to the old testament paid tithe through Abraham, because Abraham was their father and he gave birth to the levite, so evidently, levite paid tithe to another Melchizedek who no one knows anything about his family, else that he was a priest and Abraham paid tithe to him. Gen 14:18-20, but here is Jesus who is now our new high priest in the same pattern as Melchizedek.

Down to tithe, I think Christians who are just starting or growing pay tithe, Jesus said, all I have is thine, meaning not the tenth is mine, but my own is for you. I know that's bullseye bro. All that belongs to a Christian belongs to God and he or she should be ready at anytime to part with all he has and give them all, as long as he is following Christ. I believe many of those old testament Christians who lay claim to a tenth are still considerate. Paul told Philemon

Philemon 1:19 I Paul have written it with mine own hand, I will repay it: *albeit I do not say to thee how thou owest unto me even thine own self besides.*

So all yourself and yours if truly you are a Christian belongs to Christ if He asks for it, in that light, aa pastor who asks for a tenth, I won't say he's punishing or limiting the work of God, because all our giving are been rechannelled to other ministry works which in turn would bless lives, for instance, it was all the contributions of partners and friends in ministry with Reinhard Bonnke that made it possible for Bonnke to bless lives.

If we give as we ought to, the gospel would be preached on air and other fine fine programs would arise because people are faithful in their givings.

Have you heard this story in the Bible where Jesus was telling a man in Matt 19:21

Matthew 19:21 Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and *sell that thou hast, and give to the poor*, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me.

So, let them go sell their phones and TV and the ministry of God should reach regions where they need to be preached.

John 17:10 And all mine are thine, and thine are mine; and I am glorified in them.

That's Jesus speaking here, all mine is Gods and all Gods is mine, if you give to God, God would bless us for our faithfulness.

tijjanioyan:
but d new testament welcomes slavery,Eph6:5-9,Col3:22-24,4:1.

The Bible do not support slavery. I knew those verses, the truth is, you guys would twist it and you won't understand what Paul meant, in the Bible days, many were still holding on to the old testament and does not understand the love that's in Christ, I know what Paul meant by servants and masters. The Bible would not for once promote lawlessness, there were slaves in those days, and whether you want it or not, as long as you have a boss, you are a slave, so lemme ask, are you employed, then you are a slave, if that's what you want to hear, I personally don't believe in slavery, do you know how inhuman masters can be to their slaves.

Whether you like it or not, come and work for me, lemme pay you is still slavery, so I don't understand what you guys are driving at. Lemme ask, what differentiate a slave from an employee? Maybe we should start from their first, kindly differentiate a slave from an employee, because Paul said let him that stole steal no more, but labour Eph 4:28

Zoharariel:


I didn't know you were this dumb. If indeed old things are passed away and all things have become new, then how come your greedy, private-jet loving pastors & G.Os never abolish tithing?

Afterall, it originated from the old testament and was strictly ordained for use by the levites as written in Numbers 18:21 - fvcking hypocrite!

Am not really insulted by what you wrote up there.

There is tithe in the new testament if that's what you want to know, and that of new testament is not a tenth, is all. Probably recapping the story of Ananias and Saphiras which hid a portion of their sales on their possessions and was killed would help you restructure the above comment. Acts 2:45, Acts 4:34-37, Acts 5:1-9, Phil 4:17-18, gal 6:6, Luke 12:33-34

SHALOM!

panafrican:
Can a Christian own slaves?

THE OYINBOS ARE BRUTAL AND LIARS, AND HAVE TOTALLY DISTORTED THE SACRED CONTRACT OF SLAVERY TO TURN IT INTO SOMETHING THAT IT WAS NOT.

HEBREW SLAVERY was like A SCHOOL- but where, not only are pupils taught ONLY things RELEVANT to EARNING A LIVING- but they are PAID, instead of PAYING for it.

They GRADUATE with STARTUP CAPITAL they THEY EARNED.

Can Christians filled blessed when they own slaves

This sentence makes no grammatical sense.

You should know that.

BLESSEDNESS comes from KEEPING GOD'S COMMANDMENTS. So, if a Christian treats their Slaves as THE COMMANDMENTS OF GOD dictate, THEY WILL BE BLESSED.

What do they say to God in their prayers ?

They had better say that they KEPT HIS COMMANDMENTS.

THE OYINBOS could not say that.

What they did was NOT the Slavery MOSES Commanded, and no one should be allowed to pretend that it was.

By LAW OF GOD, the OYINBO Slavers SHOULD have been EXECUTED!

A Christian is allowed to have slaves... Even in the new testament where a slave ran away from his master to Paul, Paul returned him to his master. Jesus also recognized and endorsed slavery...
Thank FSM for human laws, if not the bible will have ensured Africans are still selling one another into slavery.