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udatso:
I didn't ask for videos for isis. I asked for boko haram. We have been focusing on home terrorism aka boko haram.

ilynem:
So let's pretend biko haram is the only islamist terror group in the world? And we can find Christians only in Nigeria?

Like you can't remember then number of churches boko haram has bombed? Who was inside those churches? Atheists

hopefulLandlord:
never mind I have one for you

https://www.liveleak.com/view?i=93e_1405368986

udatso:
Read my previous discussion with him. We were focusing on boko haram as a case study.

Same way number of mosques were bombed too. In Kano human flesh was scattered after the bomb last that rocked the emir of Kano mosque like shredded meat. But that is not the point. The point is if given the choice by boko haram to remain in the church and die as Christians or accept Islam and be free, I can guarantee you that majority would save themselves so they can be with their loved ones.

For the case of bomb last, they weren't really given any choice. If they had a choice they wouldnt have remained there and be killed like chickens.

Another example is Buk oldsite attack by boko are rams. They attacked the Christians during their service on Sunday and everyone fled for their life. A friend of mine who was injured barely escaped. Do you think if he was informed of the attack, he would have gone to church?


This all boils down to AT THE END OF THE DAY, THIS SWEET LAWS IN CHRISTIANITY CANNOT BE IMPLEMENTED. THEY ARE LAWS TO GIVE THE FAITH A GOOD BUT FALSE APPEARANCE (no offense intended).

udatso:
Sir, did you watch the video? Please watch the video and edit your post.

hopefulLandlord:
my bad
I didn't follow the discussion from the beginning

ignore it

udatso:
Read my previous discussion with him. We were focusing on boko haram as a case study.

Same way number of mosques were bombed too. In Kano human flesh was scattered after the bomb last that rocked the emir of Kano mosque like shredded meat. But that is not the point. The point is if given the choice by boko haram to remain in the church and die as Christians or accept Islam and be free, I can guarantee you that majority would save themselves so they can be with their loved ones.

For the case of bomb last, they weren't really given any choice. If they had a choice they wouldnt have remained there and be killed like chickens.

Another example is Buk oldsite attack by boko are rams. They attacked the Christians during their service on Sunday and everyone fled for their life. A friend of mine who was injured barely escaped. Do you think if he was informed of the attack, he would have gone to church?


This all boils down to AT THE END OF THE DAY, THIS SWEET LAWS IN CHRISTIANITY CANNOT BE IMPLEMENTED. THEY ARE LAWS TO GIVE THE FAITH A GOOD BUT FALSE APPEARANCE (no offense intended).

udatso:
Read my previous discussion with him. We were focusing on boko haram as a case study.

Same way number of mosques were bombed too. In Kano human flesh was scattered after the bomb last that rocked the emir of Kano mosque like shredded meat. But that is not the point. The point is if given the choice by boko haram to remain in the church and die as Christians or accept Islam and be free, I can guarantee you that majority would save themselves so they can be with their loved ones.

For the case of bomb last, they weren't really given any choice. If they had a choice they wouldnt have remained there and be killed like chickens.

Another example is Buk oldsite attack by boko are rams. They attacked the Christians during their service on Sunday and everyone fled for their life. A friend of mine who was injured barely escaped. Do you think if he was informed of the attack, he would have gone to church?


This all boils down to AT THE END OF THE DAY, THIS SWEET LAWS IN CHRISTIANITY CANNOT BE IMPLEMENTED. THEY ARE LAWS TO GIVE THE FAITH A GOOD BUT FALSE APPEARANCE (no offense intended).

alBHAGDADI:
Am sorry, but you are just making assumptions.

Can you provide us with a video of Christians denying their faith and accepting islam when confronted by Boko Haram?

From the time of Yahshua, his disciples to till now, Christians have been dying for their faith. The Kenya mall attack by Islamic terrorists and the ISIS killings proves it, where Muslims were separated from the Christians with the Christians killed on the spot. They could have denied being Christians but they didn't.

You speak of people fleeing from Boko Haram. Who won't do the same? Or do you expect them to go embrace Boko Haram's cruelty? That's stupidity. But when they are trapped by Boko Haram and they are given the choice to accept Islam and live it declare Christianity and get killed, they will accept Christianity. Who would want to accept a cruel cult?

Now, you talk of Boko Haram killing Muslims too and bombing mosques as a justification that Boko Haram is unislamic. May I remind you that the killing of Muslims by Muslims didn't begin today. All the caliphs in Islam were killed by fellow muslims in bloody war. So, if we are seeing it's fruit today, note that it isn't anything new.

ilynem:
You are really funny. So because they bomb mosques too, what has that got to do with anything? Remember they are using your holy book as a justification for their actions.

And why are you using boko haram as a case study?

We are talking about Christians dying for their faith.

Despite the threat, Christians still go to churches in all these crises affected area. Missionaries still step into Islamic dominated places knowing that they might get killed for their faith.

I have countless examples of them.

And you saying Christians ran for their life is just laughable. What do u expect them to do? Stand and die? If you have a chance to escape, you have to. Escaping is not the sin. Lying and denying your faith is. And the fact you claim if given the chance to accept Islam or die, many Christians will accept Islam and deny their faith. The law of averages says you are right. Many would. But many also will not. There weak ones in the faith and there are strong ones. One more thing! Does lying to save yourself not prove that Allah is powerless and can't save you in time of trouble?

alBHAGDADI:
Am sorry, but you are just making assumptions.

Can you provide us with a video of Christians denying their faith and accepting islam when confronted by Boko Haram?

From the time of Yahshua, his disciples to till now, Christians have been dying for their faith. The Kenya mall attack by Islamic terrorists and the ISIS killings proves it, where Muslims were separated from the Christians with the Christians killed on the spot. They could have denied being Christians but they didn't.

You speak of people fleeing from Boko Haram. Who won't do the same? Or do you expect them to go embrace Boko Haram's cruelty? That's stupidity. But when they are trapped by Boko Haram and they are given the choice to accept Islam and live it declare Christianity and get killed, they will accept Christianity.

Who would want to accept a cruel cult?

Now, you talk of Boko Haram killing Muslims too and bombing mosques as a justification that Boko Haram is unislamic. May I remind you that the killing of Muslims by Muslims didn't begin today. All the caliphs in Islam were killed by fellow muslims in bloody war. So, if we are seeing it's fruit today, note that it isn't anything new.

udatso:
List of these bloody wars and the names of the khalifs killed?

true2god:
Thanks bro. Right from the days of the Islamic caliphate Muslims have been killing fellow Muslims for the sake of allahh. The first Islamic battle, under Abu Bakr (the first Islamic khalifa), the battle of Badr, Muslims slaughter Muslims.

During the reign of the second khalifa, Omar, Islam split into the sunni and the shia. This split led to the first Islamic civil war which claimed thousands of lives.

The 4th khalifa killed the 3rd khalifa, the 5th khalifa killed the 4th khalifa, and the cycle continued. The first coup plot in the medieval era was carried out by Muslims against their fellow Muslim. The first political assassination, called 'hasashin' in Arabic (the genesis of that word) was carried out by Muslim against their fellow Muslim. So Muslims killing Muslims is not a new thing because the foundation of Islam was watered with blood, right from the formative years of the religion by Mohammed Ibn abdulahh.

So when Muslims attempt to exonerate their religion from any fault by claiming that Islamic terror group are not true Muslims because they also kill their fellow Muslims, I asked them to go and read the history of Islam. If Islamic terrorist are not true Muslims, then Mohammed, Abu Bakr and Omar are also not true Muslims.

Mohammed said: I have been given the smallest expression bearing the widest meaning and I have been made victorious by means of terror (sahih Bukhari 4:52:220).

Mohammed also said that the life and property of kafirs are not secure until they say: there is no god but allahh and Mohammed is his messenger. (sahih Bukhari 4:52:196) and also Qur'an 9:29.

alBHAGDADI:
look below

udatso:
an ignorant fellow referring someone to another ignorant fellow.
First of all, the battle of badr wasn't the battle Muslims fought Muslims. With all your researches you have done about Islam, I thought you would know this. Well your research was to find faults.

Bring proof showing that the 4th killed the 3rd and the 5th killed the 4th. Stop dishing out false information especially when you have nothing to back it up

udatso:
an ignorant fellow referring someone to another ignorant fellow.
First of all, the battle of badr wasn't the battle Muslims fought Muslims. With all your researches you have done about Islam, I thought you would know this. Well your research was to find faults.

Bring proof showing that the 4th killed the 3rd and the 5th killed the 4th. Stop dishing out false information especially when you have nothing to back it up

udatso:
Sir, when I requested for evidence of a Christian picking Christianity knowing certainly it means death in the hands of boko haram, you quickly jumped to give examples of how christians are been killed which isn't what I asked for. To counter your point, I equally give you example of Muslims been killed. So if you say the Christians and churches bombed died for their faith, then I can as well say the muslims killed by boko haram also died for their faith.

cos boko haram affects us all. There are those who would say alqaeda and many others were created directly or indirectly by Americans. Whether this is true, thats a debate for another day. This is why I didn't want to get involved into that.

No we are not. Maybe you are. BUT I AM TALKING ABOUT CHRISTIANS DYING FOR THEIR FAITH IF GIVEN THE OPTION TO LIVE. They aren't the same


Same way Muslims in borno still go to mosque knowing fully well it might be the last. So what's your point?

As do I. But you aren't giving the example that I requested for


It proves my point that your laws in this regard are not practical

hopefulLandlord:
never mind I have one for you

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tijjanioyan:
dont mind d dunce,we told them many times dat quran is not like their story book which was written anyhow,there was reason 4 revealing every particar verse which is called (SABABIL NUZUL)and sound comentators(Mufasiroon) are required 4 d(Tafsir)commentry.
The founder of xtianity Paul,confessed to founding d religion on FALSEHOOD,Romans3:7RSV,in fact his confessions about meeting wit christ are contradictory,ACT 9:1-19,22:6-16,26:12-18.if xtianity was not built on falsehood,who invented The TRINITY? Didnt Jesus preach MONOTHEISM?Mark 12:28-29,Did Jesus,go 2church on Sunday?
Modified.......did he ever worship in d church on sunday?was it not on sabath day he worshipd?even in d synagogue not in church Luke4:16,44.I advise xtians 2look up d word SYNAGOGUE,in dictionary and compare it to CHURCH.Who invented going to church on SUNDAY,if it is not traced to Jesus?did he ever mention ORIGINAL SIN,let alone its ATONEMENT?then who invented all these lies if jesus did not teach them?
In d so called bible, prophet told lies and went scot free,1king13:18-32,xtian god also conspired with angels to trick king Ahab,1king 22:19-23 EASY to Read VERSION.king David who was also a prophet,feigned INSANITY in order not to be killed,1sam21:11-16.

mustymatic:
Swear to your god sey u will not admit to something upon beating by Nigerian Army
See your superior talking
The Antichrist Paul
‘If my falsehood enhances God's truthfulness and so increases his glory, why am I still condemned as a sinner?’
You can lie o
You are not a sinner
Keep the good work

alBHAGDADI:
Do you expect anyone to do a live coverage of the madala church bomb blast?

udatso:
You haven't provided what I demanded of you and here you are making demands


We are talking about 9ja.... Boko haram

You claimed many do and uptil now, you are yet to give a video proof.

If accepting it temporarily would save your life, only a fool wouldn't accept.


List of these bloody wars and the names of the khalifs killed?

ilynem:
Please stop quoting the Bible out of context. Can you read the whole chapter and see how ignorant you look.

mustymatic:
Hahahaha, u guys can quote the Quran out of context right?

ilynem:
Do I? Can you show me a verse we quote out of context?

alBHAGDADI:
Pls, before i answer you, kindly tell me who were the people killing those caliphs.

Your response will show what we have been saying all these while about muslims killing each other, and i think that's the discuss, while the topic is about whether lying is good.

Pls, stay on topic.

ilynem:
Hmmmmm. I was thinking of opening a thread about the lie of Islam being a religion of peace, but I am too busy (or lazy?) to actually do it. But by Gods grace, I will. But in brief, should I tell you why Biko Haram bomb mosques? Because just like Christians you "peaceful" Muslims are infidels. You do not practice true Islam and you know what? They are absolutely right. When Mohammed started his ministry (or what ever you call it, he preached about peace). In the last 9 years of his life, he participated in 86 battles. 86! Chapter 9 of the Koran was said to be the last chapter of the Koran to be composed and it is the most violent. Coincidence? Your prophet got more violent as he grew in power and had more followers to fight for him. So he conquers cities, rapes women, enslaves children and so on. Can you see the similarities with Boko Haram and Isis? After he died, Islam conqured up to 1/3 of the known world and that was not in self defence! They fought and killed people and subjected people to slavery unless the convert because it was what their prophet told them to do. This was the trend in Islam until the fall of the Roman empire and Islam started playing the defensive. You do not hear the phrase "religion of peace" until the 20th century. So my brother, boko haram, Isis and other extremist are the real Muslims. You are not. You are an infidel like me and the OP.
Like I said, law of averages will tell you that Christians will die for their faith. Do you think those people beheaded by Boko Haram and Isis aren't given the option to live? You need to read Surah 9 of your holy book again so you can know how forceful conversion works. A christian shouldn't be teaching it to you.

ilynem:
List of the wars? Its so unfortunate you don't even know your own history. That is the problem with you lot. You accept every nonsense your leaders tell you without researching for yourselves. And its a pity.

udatso:
Bla bla bla

true2god:
Since you need hard evidence, will you deny or repudiate the quran and hadith below?:

Mohammed said: I have been given the smallest expression bearing the widest meaning and I have been made victorious by means of terror (sahih Bukhari 4:52:220).

Mohammed also said that the life and property of kafirs are not secure until they say: there is no god but allahh and Mohammed is his messenger. (sahih Bukhari 4:52:196), (Sahih Muslim, 1:31 [see also 1:130, 1:32, 1:33]) and also Qur'an 9:29.

The issue is that over 90% of Muslims worldwide are ignorant of Islamic history and are lazy to research it while the remaining 10% who are informed lie about it outrightly because of the embarrassment that it usually cause to Islam. Islam is built on LIES to the ignorant kafirs and on history revisions.

My questions to you are:

1) Who killed Ali Ibn Abi talib, the 4th khalifa, the son-in-law of Mohammed?

a. Muslims
b. non-muslims
c. the Americans.

2) Who killed the grandchildren of Mohammed?

a. Muslims
b. non-muslims
c. the Americans

3) Who killed Othman, the third khalifa?

a. Muslims
b. non-muslims
c. the Americans

4) What caused the sunni-shia civil war:

a. leadership tussle
c. Money
c. war booty.

If you can answer these questions very honestly, you will understand the bloody history of Islam.

Bring proof showing that the 4th killed the 3rd and the 5th killed the 4th.

Mohammed said: I have been given the smallest expression bearing the widest meaning and I have been made victorious by means of terror (sahih Bukhari 4:52:220).

Mohammed also said that the life and property of kafirs are not secure until they say: there is no god but allahh and Mohammed is his messenger. (sahih Bukhari 4:52:196), (Sahih Muslim, 1:31 [see also 1:130, 1:32, 1:33]) and also Qur'an 9:29.

true2god:
[s]Since you need hard evidence, will you deny or repudiate the quran and hadith below?:

Mohammed said: I have been given the smallest expression bearing the widest meaning and I have been made victorious by means of terror (sahih Bukhari 4:52:220).

Mohammed also said that the life and property of kafirs are not secure until they say: there is no god but allahh and Mohammed is his messenger. (sahih Bukhari 4:52:196), (Sahih Muslim, 1:31 [see also 1:130, 1:32, 1:33]) and also Qur'an 9:29.

The issue is that over 90% of Muslims worldwide are ignorant of Islamic history and are lazy to research it while the remaining 10% who are informed lie about it outrightly because of the embarrassment that it usually cause to Islam. Islam is built on LIES to the ignorant kafirs and on history revisions.

My questions to you are:

1) Who killed Ali Ibn Abi talib, the 4th khalifa, the son-in-law of Mohammed?

a. Muslims
b. non-muslims
c. the Americans.

2) Who killed the grandchildren of Mohammed?

a. Muslims
b. non-muslims
c. the Americans

3) Who killed Othman, the third khalifa?

a. Muslims
b. non-muslims
c. the Americans

4) What caused the sunni-shia civil war:

a. leadership tussle
c. Money
c. war booty.

If you can answer these questions very honestly, you will understand the bloody history of Islam.[/s]

udatso:
This is how you fail a simple exam. I only requested for


And here you are speaking Turkish


Shame on you as you keep looking for the evidence.