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Sinfulsaint:
and u believed the ridiculous doctrine that ur religion gave u ? How u are moulded with ash and clay huh ?

a point of correction, am not religious in any way I know somebody brought everything to pass

I dnt gerit

walls01:
we are left with the same question how come we are self aware

a dolphin is self aware.
even a bird brain; as little as magpies are, are self aware

walls01:
we are left with the same question how come we are self aware

and u chose to believe the doctrine because u are already indoctrinated right ?

alBHAGDADI:
Nice write up

If Christ was born of a virgin, where did he get his blood from?


The Islamic faith claims to believe in Yahshua whom they also say they love, but they strongly protest against any believe that says he is the Son of God cos they believe God has no wife for him to even have a son. In doing this they weaken God, cos why would anyone believe that a God who created heaven and earth and made Adam from dust would still lack the power to have a son without a wife? Well, that's not the point of this discuss.

Their Quran scriptures, which they say is directly from God, speaks of the miraculous conception of Yahshua. Pls read below.

Quran 19:20-21

She said: “How can I have a son when no man has touched me, neither have I been unchaste?” (19.20)

He said: “Thus Your Lord has said: ‘It is easy for Me. And so that We may make of him a sign for people and a mercy from Us, and it is a matter that has been ordained.’” (19.21)

From the above Quran passage, we can see that Christ was not a product of a sperm from a man. His conception was divine. Now, be patient a little as I go into brief science. It is an established fact that a man's sperm is what fertilizes a woman's egg to form a baby. That sperm develops and has its own BLOOD, provided by the father, which means that it doesn't get blood from its mother, only oxygen and nutrition.

In the case of Yahshua, who was not a product of a man's sperm fertilizing an egg, as established by the Holy Bible and the Quran, we all have the right to ask where his blood came from. If his conception was a miracle by God, as confirmed by the Bible and Quran, then it means that his blood must have come from the same God. If God is the provider of that blood, then it means that Yahshua the Messiah is the Son of the Almighty God. This also means that he didn't inherit any of the contaminated blood of sinful Adam. This is a huge reason why his blood is precious and redemptive, redeeming mankind from sin and death.

So, before Muslims go about telling us that Christ is not the son of God, they should tell us how he got his blood since they also believe he was conceived without sexual intercourse or a man's sperm involved.

Muslims never said it's impossible for God to bear a child without a wife. If we believe that He created Adam from dust and Eve from Adam, why would we think such impossible? What we believe is, it would be demeaning for God to have a child. That Allah isn't some Egyptian or Malan mythology, but one who isn't comparable to any of his creations.

Now, from a biological point of view... Animals such as a ant (very little), also creations of Allah give "birth" to their offspring without fertilization and Allah is in control. He knows best.

Sinfulsaint:
and u chose to believe the doctrine because u are already indoctrinated right ?

no, Jesus spoke to me

Where in d bible did jesus said i come to die for world's sin?

All along, i've gone tru all d comments so far..... I discovered dat many pipl in dis planet still find it difficult to believe in God, huh. If many piple cant spit foul words against d CREATOR OF HEAVEN AND EARTH IN ALL ITS AMAZING FACTS AROUND US, den hw can dos ones believe in JESUS' IMMACULATE CONCEPTION? The fact is, if u're a christian in which i confessed and professed den stick to d instructn and tenet of christianity, strive 4 holiness and peace among ur piple. There so many distractns in d world.....Jesus is coming back to pay evri1 according to his deeds! Lord Jesus save my soul frm eternal damnatn. Amen.

MrMontella:
a dolphin is self aware.
even a bird brain; as little as magpies are, are self aware

no, that is not what I mean
we are the only creatures asking why and how. and the only creatures the knows evil and good
and the only creatures that can create other things

walls01:
no, Jesus spoke to me

can u share what he told u ?

MrMontella:
oh dear. apes into humans? that's not evolution ,and I don't know what it is.

scientists explanation of how human originated

Sinfulsaint:
can u share what he told u ?

as I was reading the bible I was asking questions and he sent his spirit to explain
everything I write no body thought me but the spirit he sent
not even this fraudulent pastors can deceive me cause he teaches me as I read

Sinfulsaint:
can u share what he told u ?

as I was reading the Bible and asking questions in my head, he sent his spirit to explain
things am writing is not from anyone but the explanations the spirit gave me

walls01:
man acts on his own and use religion as umbrella. Jesus ask Christians to do many things which they don't and do things from their minds
some pastors are hiding under Christianity to steal and enrich themselves.

in summary God is not to blame, Jesus never send anyone to act on his behalf

Religion actually provides 'divine instruction' and 'divine justification' for man to act.

walls01:
as I was reading the bible I was asking questions and he sent his spirit to explain
everything I write no body thought me but the spirit he sent
not even this fraudulent pastors can deceive me cause he teaches me as I read

ok, have a happy Sunday.

nanizle:
Please clarify the kind of punishment you are referring to because beating kids with a cane and setting kids on fire for eternity are quite different although I support neither.

Hope you are not trying to run away from your shadow. God bless you this Sunday morning.

Sinfulsaint:
ok, have a happy Sunday.

thanks

nanizle:
Religion actually provides 'divine instruction' and 'divine justification' for man to act.

but this instructions is not to destroy.
Jesus said love your neugbour as your self he did not say your religion
men are acting on their free will. I speak about the bible, Christans and pastors are not doing what Jesus said

walls01:
scientists explanation of how human originated

that is not evolution..
go and verify what evolution is

Isaiah, 7:14 is not referring to Jesus at all. You need to read the whole chapter to understand the context.

It was a promise to King Ahaz when Judah came under threat from King Rezin of Aram and Pekah son of Remaliah king of Israel. The prophecy was fulfilled in Isaiah Chapter 8.

The reference to this scripture from the book of Matthew is a forgery.

alBHAGDADI:
Nice write up

If Christ was born of a virgin, where did he get his blood from?


The Islamic faith claims to believe in Yahshua whom they also say they love, but they strongly protest against any believe that says he is the Son of God cos they believe God has no wife for him to even have a son. In doing this they weaken God, cos why would anyone believe that a God who created heaven and earth and made Adam from dust would still lack the power to have a son without a wife? Well, that's not the point of this discuss.

Their Quran scriptures, which they say is directly from God, speaks of the miraculous conception of Yahshua. Pls read below.

Quran 19:20-21

She said: “How can I have a son when no man has touched me, neither have I been unchaste?” (19.20)

He said: “Thus Your Lord has said: ‘It is easy for Me. And so that We may make of him a sign for people and a mercy from Us, and it is a matter that has been ordained.’” (19.21)

From the above Quran passage, we can see that Christ was not a product of a sperm from a man. His conception was divine. Now, be patient a little as I go into brief science. It is an established fact that a man's sperm is what fertilizes a woman's egg to form a baby. That sperm develops and has its own BLOOD, provided by the father, which means that it doesn't get blood from its mother, only oxygen and nutrition.

In the case of Yahshua, who was not a product of a man's sperm fertilizing an egg, as established by the Holy Bible and the Quran, we all have the right to ask where his blood came from. If his conception was a miracle by God, as confirmed by the Bible and Quran, then it means that his blood must have come from the same God. If God is the provider of that blood, then it means that Yahshua the Messiah is the Son of the Almighty God. This also means that he didn't inherit any of the contaminated blood of sinful Adam. This is a huge reason why his blood is precious and redemptive, redeeming mankind from sin and death.

So, before Muslims go about telling us that Christ is not the son of God, they should tell us how he got his blood since they also believe he was conceived without sexual intercourse or a man's sperm involved.

it's quite sad that despite the advancement in science and technology, ppl stil make foolish acertion bout the divinity of Jesus Christmas based on his miraculous birth. Jesus was born in the medieval period(dark age!) when der was no form of scientific discovery and so anything that is not according to law of nature is seen a miracle. Eg, if a man were to posses a magnet and he puts on a show saying that this two stone would kip chasing eachoda, ppl would've shouted "lo nd behold" this is a miracle or "what sorcery is this"
But with the advancement in science nd technology,even a child wouldn't make such statement. Pls, read and free yourself of ignorance." mystery of modern medicine" go and read about ARARRHENOBLASTOMA. check parentogenesis and rear cases of Harmaphrodisis. Several ppl Eg khrisna, Jesus, even orunmila, after der death have been called the "son of God" bt Allah has declared in the Quran that He is the independent God,He begets not, nor is He begotten, and der is no1 like him. Jesus, in his defence, neva equivocally, says he is God or the son of God. Allah bless you as u seek the truth.
ALL PRAISE FOR ALLAH, THE LORDS OF THE WORLDS

walls01:
no, that is not what I mean
we are the only creatures asking why and how. and the only creatures the knows evil and good
and the only creatures that can create other things

have you been into the mind of a bee to know it doesn't ask how and why?

bonobos, monkeys etc know good and bad... even a dog knows when it does something bad...

apes invent simple tools,
magpies have been proven to have the ability to improvise.

beavers build "dams", weaver birds make wonderful nests, even the interior of anthills show ants are capable "civil and structural engineers "

ZirdoRoray:
Stars, meteors, and heavenly lights allegedly signaled the birth of many
man-gods, including Christ, Yu, Lao-tzu, various Roman Caesars, and
Buddha. This parallels the strange and fantastic events
that surround the births of purely mythological figures, such as Osiris
in Syria, Trinity in Egypt, and Mithra in Persia.

Two thousand years before Christ, the virgin Egyptian queen Mut-em-
ua gave birth to Pharaoh Amenkept III. Mut-em-ua had been told she
was with child by the god Taht, and the god Kneph impregnated her by
holding a cross, the symbol of life, to her mouth. Amenkept’s birth was
celebrated by the gods and by three kings, who offered him gifts. (Notice the exact similarities to the birth of Jesus?)

According to academia, there are at least 32 stories of other virgin
births in ancient cultures of bygone eras. The legends of the
surrounding pagan cultures were so influential in the first century that
the Early Church was forced to imitate and incorporate them to have
their ‘new’ Christian religion accepted.

Here are just a parallel between Horus and Jesus.

Horus
The Legend of Horus is one of the most ancient myths in Egypt, and it
was central to the ancient Egyptian state religion. He was worshipped
three thousand years before Jesus and his worship lasted into the
common era. The followers of Horus invaded Egypt in pre-dynastic
history (before 3000 B.C.E.).
He is often shown as an infant cradled by his mother Isis. He avenged
his father’s murder, and became recognized as the God of civil order
and justice.
Both were conceived of a virgin.
1. Both were the “only begotten son” of a god (either Osiris or
Yahweh)
2. Horus’s mother was Meri, Jesus’s mother was Mary.
3. Horus’s foster father was called Jo-Seph, and Jesus’s foster
father was Joseph.
4. Both foster fathers were of royal descent.
5. Both were born in a cave (although sometimes Jesus is said to
have been born in a stable).
6. Both had their coming announced to their mother by an angel.
7. Horus; birth was heralded by the star Sirius (the morning star).
Jesus had his birth heralded by a star in the East (the sun rises in
the East).
8. Ancient Egyptians celebrated the birth of Horus on December 21
(the Winter Solstice). Modern Christians celebrate the birth of
Jesus on December 25.
9. Both births were announced by angels (this is not the same as
number 7).
10. Both had shepherds witnessing the birth.
11. Horus was visited at birth by “three solar deities” and Jesus was
visited by “three wise men”.
12. After the birth of Horus, Herut tried to have Horus murdered. After
the birth of Jesus, Herod tried to have Jesus murdered.
13. To hide from Herut, the god That tells Isis, “Come, thou goddess
Isis, hide thyself with thy child.” To hide from Herod, an angel tells
Joseph to “arise and take the young child and his mother and flee
into Egypt.”
14. When Horus came of age, he had a special ritual where hsi eye
was restored. When Jesus (and other Jews) come of age, they
have a special ritual called a Bar Mitzvah.
15. Both Horus and Jesus were 12 at this coming-of-age ritual.
16. Neither have any official recorded life histories between the
of 12 and 30.
17. Horus was baptized in the river Eridanus. Jesus was baptized in
the river Jordan.
18. Both were baptized at age 30.
19. Horus was baptized by Anup the Baptizer. Jesus was baptized by
John the Baptist.
20. Both Anup and John were later beheaded.
21. Horus was taken from the desert of Amenta up a high mountain
to be tempted by his arch-rival Set. Jesus was taken from the
desert in Palestine up a high mountain to be tempted by his arch-
rival Satan.
22. Both Horus and Jesus successfully resist this temptation.
23. Both have 12 disciples.
24. Both walked on water, cast out demons, healed the sick, and
restored sight to the blind.
25. Horus “stilled the sea by his power.” Jesus commanded the sea
to be still by saying, “Peace, be still.”
26. Horus raised his dead father (Osiris) from the grave. Jesus raised
Lazarus from the grave. (Note the similarity in names when you
say them out loud. Further, Osiris was also known as Asar, which
is El-Asar in Hebrew, which is El-Asarus in Latin.)
27. Osiris was raised in the town of Anu. Lazarus was raised in
Bethanu (literally, “house of Anu”).
28. Both gods delivered a Sermon on the Mount.
29. Both were crucified.
30. Both were crucified next to two thieves.
31. Both were buried in a tomb.
32. Horus was sent to Hell and resurrected in 3
days. Jesus was sent to Hell and came back
“three days” later (although Friday night to
Sunday morning is hardly three days).
33. Both had their resurrection announced by women.
34. Both are supposed to return for a 1000-year reign.
35. Horus is known as KRST, the anointed one. Jesus was known as
the Christ (which means “anointed one”).
36. Both Jesus and Horus have been called the good shepherd, the
lamb of God, the bread of life, the son of man, the Word, the
fisher, and the winnower.
37. Both are associated with the zodiac sign of Pisces (the fish).
38. Both are associated with the symbols of the fish, the beetle, the
vine, and the shepherd’s crook.
39. Horus was born in Anu (“the place of bread”) and Jesus was born
in Bethlehem (“the house of bread”).
40. “The infant Horus was carried out of Egypt to escape the wrath of
Typhon. The infant Jesus was carried into Egypt to escape the
wrath of Herod. Concerning the infant Jesus, the New Testament
states the following prophecy: ‘Out of Egypt have I called my
son.’”
41. Both were transfigured on the mount.
42. The catacombs of Rome have pictures of the infant Horus being
held by his mother, not unlike the modern-day images of
“Madonna and Child.”
43. Noted English author C. W. King says that both Isis and Mary are
called “Immaculate”.
44. Horus says: “Osiris, I am your son, come to glorify your soul, and
to give you even more power.” And Jesus says: “Now is the Son
of Man glorified and God is glorified in him. If God is glorified in
him, God will glorify the Son in himself, and will glorify him at
once.”
45. Horus was identified with the Tau (cross).

http://fooey.net/stuff/Horus-Jesus-Parallels.cfm

Unfortunately, non of these appeared in the various mythological story of Horus.

Who is responsible for telling all these lies?
What do they stand to gain from these lies?

In all the different stories I read about Horus, his mother was said to be Isis (and not Meri) and his father Osiris.

https://www.google.com.ng/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horus&ved=0ahUKEwi9yffRv9DSAhUFVhoKHX_KDc0QFggZMAA&usg=AFQjCNGX4OJBUWdPdHXQkxN50dWtNow_Vg&sig2=HAwDh9TrVXbNiXaa0yyoYQ


https://www.google.com.ng/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.britannica.com/topic/Horus&ved=0ahUKEwi9yffRv9DSAhUFVhoKHX_KDc0QFgiAATAU&usg=AFQjCNEYqmnr3MaHnlWC2XhqGX0TjG4Vlw&sig2=Vo9V2GgmfIQoV1U6kfIfxA




https://www.google.com.ng/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=http://www.crystalinks.com/horus.html&ved=0ahUKEwi9yffRv9DSAhUFVhoKHX_KDc0QFgiMATAV&usg=AFQjCNFcohVKdtoFrF33U1TsInFGmH5jSQ&sig2=aieIn4YAPJVolYXOAeIDsw


https://www.google.com.ng/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=http://www.ancientegyptonline.co.uk/horus.html&ved=0ahUKEwi9yffRv9DSAhUFVhoKHX_KDc0QFgiXATAW&usg=AFQjCNG_vE7PR_cl3DHnXFJbMOu3gQdnOA&sig2=k9oftXyzLXuF8JbohkYHpg






https://www.google.com.ng/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=http://www.egyptianmyths.net/horus.htm&ved=0ahUKEwi9yffRv9DSAhUFVhoKHX_KDc0QFginATAZ&usg=AFQjCNGsV-dW8gp7MQ2fYIzdOZAPVij_Ww&sig2=8UR_J6A3VwPFlASaegd9ig


https://www.google.com.ng/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=http://www.touregypt.net/featurestories/horus.htm&ved=0ahUKEwi9yffRv9DSAhUFVhoKHX_KDc0QFgjHATAb&usg=AFQjCNEZ3RXFFvnxLtbxqf5cPeNgmSooKA&sig2=DUEBU68pKcGAh2yntZLEZQ


Just read them up and stop being lazy and spreading falsehood.

MrMontella:
if Jesus came as a final and perfect sacrifice for sin, and yet after his sacrifice, sin still is in abundance and relative to punishment, then he failed woefully

oh boy, no kill me with laff ooo

nanizle:
@OP the earlier you wake up from your delusions the better for your well being. You'll live a more peaceful life if you leave religion... No demons to be afraid of, no mammy water to fear, no hell to be terrified of, no 10% religion tax.

Religion is playing a lesser role in developed societies, the same societies that shoved their religion down our fore-fathers throats and made them abandon their traditional religion while enslaving and colonizing them.

Now you are here carrying Christianity like it's your birthright.

Try study a bit of history and religion and you'll see that religion is simply a man-made tool with the sole purpose of to controlling the masses... to tell you what to do without question and to profit those at the helm of affairs. Religion achieves this by majorly instilling fear on followers. Threatening fire and brimstone for those who disobey and promising "heaven and everlasting life" if they obey.

But I do understand where you're coming from. You're coming from a position of being heavily and mercilessly indoctrinated leading to your delusions, so much indoctrination that you believe that all those who don't believe what you believe (muslims, jews, hindus, traditionalists, atheists etc... yep all of them, billions of them ironically created by the same God) are destined for eternal suffering in a lake of fire.

The even more ironic thing is that your fellow religions believe the same ridiculous thing.. eternal damnation for unbelievers.

So who will make the so called "heaven"? (this reminds me of one thread... I'll try find it).

Whose religion is true and which is false? (spare me your biblical quotes as your fellow religions to have similar quotes, equally infallible)

All religions can't be obviously right at the same time. So you see it would be reasonable that they are all wrong.

u r talking about indoctrination as if u r left alone, r u not also brainwashed to believe that there is no God? Is ur conviction not borne out of what u read from others,or u mean to tell me that they are solely a result of ur experiences?

IdiAmin2:
oh boy, no kill me with laff ooo

what?

nanizle:
@OP the earlier you wake up from your delusions the better for your well being. You'll live a more peaceful life if you leave religion... No demons to be afraid of, no mammy water to fear, no hell to be terrified of, no 10% religion tax.

Religion is playing a lesser role in developed societies, the same societies that shoved their religion down our fore-fathers throats and made them abandon their traditional religion while enslaving and colonizing them.

Now you are here carrying Christianity like it's your birthright.

Try study a bit of history and religion and you'll see that religion is simply a man-made tool with the sole purpose of to controlling the masses... to tell you what to do without question and to profit those at the helm of affairs. Religion achieves this by majorly instilling fear on followers. Threatening fire and brimstone for those who disobey and promising "heaven and everlasting life" if they obey.

But I do understand where you're coming from. You're coming from a position of being heavily and mercilessly indoctrinated leading to your delusions, so much indoctrination that you believe that all those who don't believe what you believe (muslims, jews, hindus, traditionalists, atheists etc... yep all of them, billions of them ironically created by the same God) are destined for eternal suffering in a lake of fire.

The even more ironic thing is that your fellow religions believe the same ridiculous thing.. eternal damnation for unbelievers.

So who will make the so called "heaven"? (this reminds me of one thread... I'll try find it).

Whose religion is true and which is false? (spare me your biblical quotes as your fellow religions to have similar quotes, equally infallible)

All religions can't be obviously right at the same time. So you see it would be reasonable that they are all wrong.

u r talking about indoctrination as if u r left alone, r u not also brainwashed to believe that there is no God? Is ur conviction not borne out of what u read from others,or u mean to tell me that they are solely a result of your experiences? Don't ever think that your resolution not to believe in God makes u more intelligent than those who do! Mind you, your entire knowledge about d universe is only but a tire grain of sand in d beach of sands, so don't get yourself too excited!

MrMontella:
have you been into the mind of a bee to know it doesn't ask how and why?

bonobos, monkeys etc know good and bad... even a dog knows when it does something bad...

apes invent simple tools,
magpies have been proven to have the ability to improvise.

beavers build "dams", weaver birds make wonderful nests, even the interior of anthills show ants are capable "civil and structural engineers "

not like humans. this things they do are already programmed, they repeat the same thing over and over again. the ape do not show any knowledge if not he would have improved on his tool
dogs know when they do wrong but man commit evil

MrMontella:
if Jesus came as a final and perfect sacrifice for sin, and yet after his sacrifice, sin still is in abundance and relative to punishment, then he failed woefully

You lack understanding! Jesus is only standing as the atonement for the sins already committed(which the sinner duly recognised and repented of), and not sin anticipated.

MrMontella:
that is not evolution..
go and verify what evolution is

organism are believed to have developed from earlier forms during the history of the earth.
2. the gradual development of something.
3. the giving off of a gaseous product, or of heat.
4. a pattern of movements or manoeuvres.
5. the extraction of a root from a given quantity.
What is evolution ? | Facts | yourgenome.org
www​.yourgenome.org/.../ what-is-evoluti ...
In biology, evolution is the change in the characteristics of a species over several generations and relies on the process of natural selection. The theory of evolution is based on the idea that all species? are related and gradually change over time.


this is from Google, I know what am saying

MrMontella:
that is not evolution..
go and verify what evolution is

organism are believed to have developed from earlier forms during the history of the earth.
2. the gradual development of something.


What is evolution ? | Facts | yourgenome.org
www​.yourgenome.org/.../ what-is-evoluti ...
In biology, evolution is the change in the characteristics of a species over several generations and relies on the process of natural selection. The theory of evolution is based on the idea that all species? are related and gradually change over time.


this is from Google, I know what am saying