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Those preaching that only grace can help you live a life devoid of sin,i have a question: Are you living a life devoid of sin??
God is Holy and cannot behold sin,grace is saved for sins we commit unknowingly but not sins from the conscious mind.
The laws helps us to realise that we need grace,like someone said earlier,The grace complements the law but does not delete it.
A contrite heart,God will not forsake. This entails that asking for forgiveness is paramount.
Oh ye advocates of unending purity in grace,how then can you ask for forgiveness when you have declared yourselves righteous before God.

In summary,i would say We only have grace when we live a life that pleases God.

eph12:
Summary is that grace came to complement the law not delete it.

Grace did not come to complement the Law but Grace came to make us righteous.
The Pharisees take the Law outward so that it will look like human can do it and prove that they are righteous but Jesus took it inward, for example, whosover look at a woman lustfully is guilty of fornication instead of when you slept with her as believed by the Pharisees also, whoever is angry with his neighbour without a cause is guilty of murder instead of the normal act of murder.
By taking the Law inside is to reveal to them that all of them are guilty and so the need for a saviour coz there will be no need for a saviour if they are already righteous.
Grace is not to complement law but to make us righteous and free from sin.
The Law is just to expose man's sinful nature and see the need for a saviour, the saviour is Jesus Christ which is the Grace, there is no grace without the cross...
Believe right and start living right

eph12:
Summary is that grace came to complement the law not delete it.

Hebrews 8:13
English Standard Version
In speaking of a new covenant, he makes the first one obsolete. And what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.

The New Covenant is stand alone.it is not complementing anything o.You cannot be under two covenants.It's not possible.You can only be under one.

OBAGADAFFI:

The difference between the under Moses and The commandments under Jesus Christ.

Is that Moses commandments are written on tablet while Christ commandments are written in our hearts.

But both commandments are the same and most not be disobeyed.

I wonder how we understand scriptures sha. Did u see all the bible verses on this thread topic?. Yet u disregard them just to agree with what you've been hearing from most churches. Go and read this verses and tell yourself what u make of them: Gal 3:10-11, Romans 3:21 Rom4:5 Gal 2:16, 21;. There are several other scritures that point that we are made righteous as a gift for having faith in Christ but I wouldn't try to convince anyone, i've figured that one can only accept grace if he has seen his inability to keep the law even on his best day. But if you feel you can keep God's law to be accepted as righteous, then go on in the confidence of the law of the tablet or the heart. I've anchored myself on Christ, my faith in his grace is the only thing I count on, cos I know I can't kee his laws fully

ZORO47:
there's a lot to learn, but inly if we are willing to unlearn and re-learn. If we claim we know we would be left with what we think we know. Read the whole gal 3 for clarity.

You raised a point about the law not coming from God, so I need clarification on what happened on mount sinai

eameh30:
Grace did not come to complement the Law but Grace came to make us righteous.
The Pharisees take the Law outward so that it will look like human can do it and prove that they are righteous but Jesus took it inward, for example, whosover look at a woman lustfully is guilty of fornication instead of when you slept with her as believed by the Pharisees also, whoever is angry with his neighbour without a cause is guilty of murder instead of the normal act of murder.
By taking the Law inside is to reveal to them that all of them are guilty and so the need for a saviour coz there will be no need for a saviour if they are already righteous.
Grace is not to complement law but to make us righteous and free from sin.
The Law is just to expose man's sinful nature and see the need for a saviour, the saviour is Jesus Christ which is the Grace, there is no grace without the cross...
Believe right and start living right

Lol. We just like too many grammar. Of course we all know what grace is about according to today Christian. Any sin we cannot overcome it is the fault of the grace. We can say we don't have the grace to overcome it. Lol. Grace indeed. Since it is the inside, we can live a sinful life and claim grace has cleansed our inside. This is hilarious.

eph12:
You raised a point about the law not coming from God, so I need clarification on what happened on mount sinai

lol, you said I made a claim like I wrote the book of Galatians. Believe what you want tho. The thing about the "grace gospel" is that it makes everything of Jesus and makes nothing of self. Most christians hve a problem with that. They want thenselves to be included so bad. That I understand. But God's design is that only Jesus be glorified; no place of glory for man's effort. And thats exactly what makes christians uncomfortable with the "grace gospel"

jiggaz:
In our bid to live a morally upright life after accepting Christ as our Saviour, many of us believers misunderstand God's grace and consequently Romans 6:1 - “What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin that grace may abound?” We read this and start preaching the Ten Commandments as a measure of righteousness. This is usually because we somehow think that "other believers" but "surely not us" will go berserk with sin if we preach God's grace without adding the Ten Commandments to "put believers in check."


This thought has its root in the belief that God's work cannot succeed without our making it so by some forceful effort on our part, much like how "Uzzah put out his hand to the ark of God and took hold of it, for the oxen stumbled." in 2 Samuel 6:6. Uzzah must have had only good intentions but he still died from his action.

Like Uzzah, proponents of this mixture of Law and Grace try to "help God" to "steady His ark" by introducing law-keeping (attaining righteousness via human effort) to the New Covenant of God's grace; even when it is written that "The letter kills." God doesn't need anyone's help to steady His ark (that's us believers in Christ. His Spirit dwells in us.) Without Christ, we can do nothing.

Would you really give your own child a gift that has a slight chance of killing him? How much more our loving Saviour in whom "we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of His grace 8 which He made to abound toward us in all wisdom and prudence," Ephesians 1:7-8 here tells us His grace is showered on us with wisdom and prudence, not just anyhow that we could misuse it.

Those who misunderstand and quote this verse to us “grace people” also seem to believe that all we want to do is sin when the exact opposite is the case (only by God's grace are we this way!) Like our heavenly Father, we “grace people” hate sin with a passion!

So why did Paul ask this question“What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin that grace may abound?” in Romans 6:1? Paul made some statements in the preceding chapter (Romans 5) which led to his asking this particular question. Before we address these, let’s bear the following verses in mind (Sorry, this could be a little long)

Romans 3:20 says “For no one can ever be made right with God by doing what the law commands. The law simply shows us how sinful we are.” Law-keeping can never make one right with God or earn them a commendation. Rather, it will bring condemnation, the curse and judgment.

Galatians 3:10 says “For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse; for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who does not continue in all things which are written in the book of the law, to do them.” Those who are trying to keep the Ten Commandments in order to get right with God are under the curse!

Galatians 5:4 says “For if you are trying to make yourselves right with God by keeping the law, you have been cut off from Christ! You have fallen away from God’s grace.” This means that if you believe that it is your law-keeping/what you do or don’t do that makes you right with God, you can call on the name of Jesus all you want but it will be an effort in futility. You can’t mix law and grace; the Law did not come through Jesus Christ. Grace and Truth did. And this Truth is not the Ten Commandments. Christ Himself is the Truth.

Back to Romans 6:1 - “What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin that grace may abound?” The “What shall we say then?” tells us that Paul was questioning something he said in the preceding chapter (Romans 5) and he said a lot of our salvation in Christ in Romans 5!

In Romans 5:19, Paul says: “For as by one man’s disobedience many were made sinners, so also by one Man’s obedience many will be made righteous.”

Here, Paul tells us that Adam’s disobedience is what made everybody sinners. Our sins do not make us sinners. We sin because we are sinners through Adam’s disobedience, not the other way round. Whether you do good or do bad, without Christ, as long as you are Adam’s seed, you are a sinner. In this state, even if you spend your entire life in a bubble doing “righteous things,” and not thinking a single, slightly mean thought, which no one can, in God’s eyes, you would still be a sinner and in the same boat of unrighteousness as paedophiles and murderers. The good things we do here can never make us righteous in God’s eyes.

By the same token, Christ’s obedience makes everyone who believes and receives His gift of righteousness 100% righteous in the sight of God. This blood-bought righteousness is the only one that “cuts it’ with our heavenly Father. The bad things we do cannot make us lose this righteousness, just as the good things we did before we became born-again could not change our sinner status. In Christ, we are 100% righteous because God put our sins on Jesus so that we can be righteous in Him according to Paul in 2 Corinthians 5:21-

“For He made Him who knew no sin to be sin for us, that we might become the righteousness of God in Him.”
Verse 19 in NLT version says “And the result of God’s gracious gift is very different from the result of that one man’s sin. For Adam’s sin led to condemnation, but God’s free gift leads to our being made right with God, even though we are guilty of many sins.”

How is it that we do not question the result of one man's disobedience (eternal condemnation) yet question that of one Man’s obedience (eternal Righteousness?)
Verse 20-21, the last verses before Paul’s question “What then shall we say?” go on to say:

“Moreover the law entered that the offense might abound. But where sin abounded, grace abounded much more, 21 so that as sin reigned in death, even so grace might reign through righteousness to eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.”

In essence, Paul tells us in verse 20 that the law was given so that people could see how sinful they were (“that the offense might abound.” ) But as the people sinned more, God’s wonderful grace became more abundant (“But where sin abounded, grace abounded much more.”) Verse 21 tells us that just as sin ruled over the people and brought them to death
(“so that as sin reigned in death,”) now God’s wonderful grace rules instead, giving us right standing with God and resulting in eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord (“even so grace might reign through righteousness to eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.”)

Believers, this is the crux of the gospel that Paul preached, THE GOSPEL OF THE GRACE OF OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST. Paul preached that Christ’s obedience is what makes us righteous in the eyes of our heavenly Father, and not our law-keeping/what we do or do not do. Paul preached righteousness by faith, not by works or keeping the law in order to be made right with God.
Paul preached that Sarah (Grace) does not need Hagar (the Law) to raise Isaac (the church.) Grace is more than enough!

And the religious leaders of his day were enraged!

They wanted their Law that they could not even live by because it made them look better than the tax collectors and sinners! They persecuted Paul, just as today, preachers of God's undeserved, unmerited favour, the same gospel that Paul preached, are falsely accused of preaching that it is okay to sin because "we have grace!"

For this grace gospel that he preached, Paul was imprisoned, scourged, stoned and left for dead and murdered on the orders of the religious leaders of his day who were dogged about keeping the Law that Christ has delivered us from, just like their counterparts today who preach that our law-keeping and self-righteousness is what makes us right with God, even though Christ has fulfilled all of the Law's righteous demands for us! Even though trying to be justified by the law is the way to get cut off from Christ!

For this gospel of the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ that Paul preached (justification by faith and not by law-keeping,) He was falsely accused by the religious leaders of his day of preaching that it is okay to sin because of grace.
THIS IS WHY PAUL ASKED THE QUESTION IN ROMANS 6:1
“WHAT SHALL WE SAY THEN? SHALL WE CONTINUE IN SIN THAT GRACE MAY ABOUND?”

HE WAS ASKING THE QUESTION:

“Do all these things I have said, including the truth that God’s grace super-abounds when sins increase; that we are made righteous by “one Man’s obedience” and not our law-keeping; that we are made right with God because of His free gift even though we are guilty of many sins; do these things that I said mean that believers can just go and be sinning anyhow?”

Believers, this is why Paul asked this question. He didn’t ask it in the context in which many people bandy the verse about today – usually as a reason to go back under the law that Christ has already fulfilled for us with his death! He asked because he wanted to clarify that the gospel that he preached - righteousness by faith and not by law-keeping - is not a license to sin but the key to right living!
No wonder he said “For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ…”

What he preached – justification by faith and not by works of the law or keeping the Ten Commandments - was considered shameful by the Pharisees and scribes who held on to laws that they could never keep for their own righteousness, the same laws (the Ten Commandments) that those who misunderstand Romans 6:1 struggle and fail to keep even today, shunning the grace and gift of righteousness that God freely gives to us in Christ.

If you are a pastor and you have not been misunderstood and accused of preaching "easy grace" by anyone like Paul was, please ask God to show you the Truth. There is a double curse in Galatians 3 for anyone that preaches a different gospel than Paul did, specifically those who preach that believers still need to keep the Law in order to be right with God or do such and such before God will bless or help them. This is the Law and "we are not under Law but under Grace." This is the burden that Christ came to lift from our shoulders - the Law. Why do we try so hard to put the church under the spirit of bondage again to fear? Romans 8:15 says of those of us in Christ -

"For you have not received a spirit of slavery leading again to fear [of God’s judgment], but you have received the Spirit of adoption as sons [the Spirit producing sonship] by which we [joyfully] cry, “Abba! Father!”"

Now to Paul’s response to his Romans 6:1 question “What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin that grace may abound?
Romans 6:2 "Certainly not! How shall we who died to sin live any longer in it? 3 Or do you not know that as many of us as were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into His death? 4 Therefore we were buried with Him through baptism into death, that just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.”

Believers, Paul’s response here simply means that we have moved from the country of Sin to the country of Grace where we have God’s Righteousness as gift. Just as we could produce only sinful deeds before Christ delivered us from the consequences of Adam’s disobedience, as the righteousness of God in Christ, believing in His righteousness that we receive as a gift and not that which is from our law-keeping, we will produce righteousness.

Verses 15-17 say even more: 15 "Well then, since God’s grace has set us free from the law, does that mean we can go on sinning? Of course not! 16 Don’t you realize that you become the slave of whatever you choose to obey? You can be a slave to sin, which leads to death, or you can choose to obey God, which leads to righteous living. 17 Thank God! Once you were slaves of sin, but now you wholeheartedly obey this teaching we have given you. 18 Now you are free from your slavery to sin, and you have become slaves to righteous living.”

A slave will do his master’s bidding. Slaves of God’s Righteousness (the gift, not of works) will live right. Slaves of sin will continue to sin.

But how is one a slave to sin? 1 Corinthians 15:56 says “…, and the power of sin is the law.” The Law gives sin its power over man. Anyone who is trying to keep the Law in order to get right with God is a slave to sin!
Also, notice that “choose to obey God" in v.16 is not obeying the Law but obeying Paul’s teaching: RIGHTEOUSNESS BY FAITH AND NOT BY WORKS.
Those who struggle under the weight of laws that they cannot keep reap a harvest of sinful deeds as it is written in Romans 7:5-

5 “When we were controlled by our old nature, sinful desires were at work within us, and the law aroused these evil desires that produced a harvest of sinful deeds, resulting in death."

What law-keeping does is arouse evil desires that produce a harvest of sinful deeds. " Old nature" here refers to the sin nature that all acquired as a result of Adam's disobedience.
Verse 6 tells of the experience of us who are the righteousness of God in Christ: "But now we have been released from the law, for we died to it and are no longer captive to its power. Now we can serve God, not in the old way of obeying the letter of the law, but in the new way of living in the Spirit.”

The difference between us "grace people" and believers who still fight to keep the Law in order to get right with God or receive from Him is that by His grace, we know we are already 100% right with Him because of what Christ did for us and that He gives us all things freely with Christ according to Romans 8:32, and not because we fasted or went to some mountain to neglect our bodies. We do not have to struggle to live right by our own effort. The Holy Spirit transforms us to the image of our Lord’s glory (2 Corinthians 3:18,) ridding us of the desire to sin and causing us to do God's will. We also are not cut off from Christ as those who try to get right with God by keeping the law are, according to Galatians 5:4 -

"For if you are trying to make yourselves right with God by keeping the law, you have been cut off from Christ! You have fallen away from God’s grace."

Pastors and leaders, stop worrying about what other people will "use God's grace to do" and preach it. Don't try to steady the ark of God like Uzzah did. Don't add the Ten Commandments to righteousness by faith. The law is not of faith. Titus 2 tells us that Grace is our Teacher, not you or I. Tell people about God's grace and let Grace, in the person of our Lord Jesus Christ, do the rest!

Believers, ask our Lord God to lead you on the path of righteousness. The Holy Spirit will teach you all things!

Believe Right and you will Live Right."


http://rightbelieving101..nl/2017/02/shall-we-continue-in-sin-that-grace-may.html?m=1

Absolutely wonderful... If only preachers can know that they don't have to help God to make people feel right but preach the truth and life will be transformed...
God is not interested in behavior modification, God wants to see life transformed, be transformed by keep on hearing this good news 'the Grace'. Grace transformed us and not modify our behavior and it is only when you are transformed that you can live a life free from sin

eph12:
Lol. We just like too many grammar. Of course we all know what grace is about according to today Christian. Any sin we cannot overcome it is the fault of the grace. We can say we don't have the grace to overcome it. Lol. Grace indeed. Since it is the inside, we can live a sinful life and claim grace has cleansed our inside. This is hilarious.

so what would you rather do? Carry the consequences of your sin on your head? If this grace gospel isn't ture, then what is the essence of Jesus' suffering and death on the cross? If you think the solution for sin commited is to ask for forgiveness then you have no idea how the kaw works in that respect. Sin must be punished. You don't even have to be sorry for doing them. It just must be punished, that's what the law demands, Ezielkel 18:20, Hebrews 9:22. IF your going to heaven is based on your good works, christ's death on the cross is useless. Your faith in Christ is useless. Cos an atheist or a pagan would go to heaven as well if he is a philanthropist or of good character. That would make your profession of Christ as unnecessary

ZORO47:
I wonder how we understand scriptures sha. Did u see all the bible verses on this thread topic?. Yet u disregard them just to agree with what you've been hearing from most churches. Go and read this verses and tell yourself what u make of them: Gal 3:10-11, Romans 3:21 Rom4:5 Gal 2:16, 21;. There are several other scritures that point that we are made righteous as a gift for having faith in Christ but I wouldn't try to convince anyone, i've figured that one can only accept grace if he has seen his inability to keep the law even on his best day. But if you feel you can keep God's law to be accepted as righteous, then go on in the confidence of the law of the tablet or the heart. I've anchored myself on Christ, my faith in his grace is the only thing I count on, cos I know I can't kee his laws fully

Hear Jesus himself in matt 5:16-19.

Nobody is saying grace is nothing but they go together. None is taking the place of the other. By His Gracr are we saved, yes but without works that our salvation is dead

The law Paul was referring to was the instant judgement, killing of animals, eye for an eye and so on. He didn't say we should not strive to live a righteous life.

I could go on and on, but we all know your idea of gracr is like a licence to commit sin. Blame it on grace.

jiggaz:
In our bid to live a morally upright life after accepting Christ as our Saviour, many of us believers misunderstand God's grace and consequently Romans 6:1 - “What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin that grace may abound?” We read this and start preaching the Ten Commandments as a measure of righteousness. This is usually because we somehow think that "other believers" but "surely not us" will go berserk with sin if we preach God's grace without adding the Ten Commandments to "put believers in check."

This thought has its root in the belief that God's work cannot succeed without our making it so by some forceful effort on our part, much like how "Uzzah put out his hand to the ark of God and took hold of it, for the oxen stumbled." in 2 Samuel 6:6. Uzzah must have had only good intentions but he still died from his action.

Like Uzzah, proponents of this mixture of Law and Grace try to "help God" to "steady His ark" by introducing law-keeping (attaining righteousness via human effort) to the New Covenant of God's grace; even when it is written that "The letter kills." God doesn't need anyone's help to steady His ark (that's us believers in Christ. His Spirit dwells in us.) Without Christ, we can do nothing.

Would you really give your own child a gift that has a slight chance of killing him? How much more our loving Saviour in whom "we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of His grace 8 which He made to abound toward us in all wisdom and prudence," Ephesians 1:7-8 here tells us His grace is showered on us with wisdom and prudence, not just anyhow that we could misuse it.

Those who misunderstand and quote this verse to us “grace people” also seem to believe that all we want to do is sin when the exact opposite is the case (only by God's grace are we this way!) Like our heavenly Father, we “grace people” hate sin with a passion!

So why did Paul ask this question“What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin that grace may abound?” in Romans 6:1? Paul made some statements in the preceding chapter (Romans 5) which led to his asking this particular question. Before we address these, let’s bear the following verses in mind (Sorry, this could be a little long)

Romans 3:20 says “For no one can ever be made right with God by doing what the law commands. The law simply shows us how sinful we are.” Law-keeping can never make one right with God or earn them a commendation. Rather, it will bring condemnation, the curse and judgment.

Galatians 3:10 says “For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse; for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who does not continue in all things which are written in the book of the law, to do them.” Those who are trying to keep the Ten Commandments in order to get right with God are under the curse!

Galatians 5:4 says “For if you are trying to make yourselves right with God by keeping the law, you have been cut off from Christ! You have fallen away from God’s grace.” This means that if you believe that it is your law-keeping/what you do or don’t do that makes you right with God, you can call on the name of Jesus all you want but it will be an effort in futility. You can’t mix law and grace; the Law did not come through Jesus Christ. Grace and Truth did. And this Truth is not the Ten Commandments. Christ Himself is the Truth.

Back to Romans 6:1 - “What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin that grace may abound?” The “What shall we say then?” tells us that Paul was questioning something he said in the preceding chapter (Romans 5) and he said a lot of our salvation in Christ in Romans 5!

In Romans 5:19, Paul says: “For as by one man’s disobedience many were made sinners, so also by one Man’s obedience many will be made righteous.”

Here, Paul tells us that Adam’s disobedience is what made everybody sinners. Our sins do not make us sinners. We sin because we are sinners through Adam’s disobedience, not the other way round. Whether you do good or do bad, without Christ, as long as you are Adam’s seed, you are a sinner. In this state, even if you spend your entire life in a bubble doing “righteous things,” and not thinking a single, slightly mean thought, which no one can, in God’s eyes, you would still be a sinner and in the same boat of unrighteousness as paedophiles and murderers. The good things we do here can never make us righteous in God’s eyes.

By the same token, Christ’s obedience makes everyone who believes and receives His gift of righteousness 100% righteous in the sight of God. This blood-bought righteousness is the only one that “cuts it’ with our heavenly Father. The bad things we do cannot make us lose this righteousness, just as the good things we did before we became born-again could not change our sinner status. In Christ, we are 100% righteous because God put our sins on Jesus so that we can be righteous in Him according to Paul in 2 Corinthians 5:21-

“For He made Him who knew no sin to be sin for us, that we might become the righteousness of God in Him.”
Verse 19 in NLT version says “And the result of God’s gracious gift is very different from the result of that one man’s sin. For Adam’s sin led to condemnation, but God’s free gift leads to our being made right with God, even though we are guilty of many sins.”

How is it that we do not question the result of one man's disobedience (eternal condemnation) yet question that of one Man’s obedience (eternal Righteousness?)
Verse 20-21, the last verses before Paul’s question “What then shall we say?” go on to say:

“Moreover the law entered that the offense might abound. But where sin abounded, grace abounded much more, 21 so that as sin reigned in death, even so grace might reign through righteousness to eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.”

In essence, Paul tells us in verse 20 that the law was given so that people could see how sinful they were (“that the offense might abound.” ) But as the people sinned more, God’s wonderful grace became more abundant (“But where sin abounded, grace abounded much more.”) Verse 21 tells us that just as sin ruled over the people and brought them to death
(“so that as sin reigned in death,”) now God’s wonderful grace rules instead, giving us right standing with God and resulting in eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord (“even so grace might reign through righteousness to eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.”)

Believers, this is the crux of the gospel that Paul preached, THE GOSPEL OF THE GRACE OF OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST. Paul preached that Christ’s obedience is what makes us righteous in the eyes of our heavenly Father, and not our law-keeping/what we do or do not do. Paul preached righteousness by faith, not by works or keeping the law in order to be made right with God.
Paul preached that Sarah (Grace) does not need Hagar (the Law) to raise Isaac (the church.) Grace is more than enough!

And the religious leaders of his day were enraged!

They wanted their Law that they could not even live by because it made them look better than the tax collectors and sinners! They persecuted Paul, just as today, preachers of God's undeserved, unmerited favour, the same gospel that Paul preached, are falsely accused of preaching that it is okay to sin because "we have grace!"

For this grace gospel that he preached, Paul was imprisoned, scourged, stoned and left for dead and murdered on the orders of the religious leaders of his day who were dogged about keeping the Law that Christ has delivered us from, just like their counterparts today who preach that our law-keeping and self-righteousness is what makes us right with God, even though Christ has fulfilled all of the Law's righteous demands for us! Even though trying to be justified by the law is the way to get cut off from Christ!

For this gospel of the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ that Paul preached (justification by faith and not by law-keeping,) He was falsely accused by the religious leaders of his day of preaching that it is okay to sin because of grace.
THIS IS WHY PAUL ASKED THE QUESTION IN ROMANS 6:1
“WHAT SHALL WE SAY THEN? SHALL WE CONTINUE IN SIN THAT GRACE MAY ABOUND?”

HE WAS ASKING THE QUESTION:

“Do all these things I have said, including the truth that God’s grace super-abounds when sins increase; that we are made righteous by “one Man’s obedience” and not our law-keeping; that we are made right with God because of His free gift even though we are guilty of many sins; do these things that I said mean that believers can just go and be sinning anyhow?”

Believers, this is why Paul asked this question. He didn’t ask it in the context in which many people bandy the verse about today – usually as a reason to go back under the law that Christ has already fulfilled for us with his death! He asked because he wanted to clarify that the gospel that he preached - righteousness by faith and not by law-keeping - is not a license to sin but the key to right living!
No wonder he said “For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ…”

What he preached – justification by faith and not by works of the law or keeping the Ten Commandments - was considered shameful by the Pharisees and scribes who held on to laws that they could never keep for their own righteousness, the same laws (the Ten Commandments) that those who misunderstand Romans 6:1 struggle and fail to keep even today, shunning the grace and gift of righteousness that God freely gives to us in Christ.

If you are a pastor and you have not been misunderstood and accused of preaching "easy grace" by anyone like Paul was, please ask God to show you the Truth. There is a double curse in Galatians 3 for anyone that preaches a different gospel than Paul did, specifically those who preach that believers still need to keep the Law in order to be right with God or do such and such before God will bless or help them. This is the Law and "we are not under Law but under Grace." This is the burden that Christ came to lift from our shoulders - the Law. Why do we try so hard to put the church under the spirit of bondage again to fear? Romans 8:15 says of those of us in Christ -

"For you have not received a spirit of slavery leading again to fear [of God’s judgment], but you have received the Spirit of adoption as sons [the Spirit producing sonship] by which we [joyfully] cry, “Abba! Father!”"

Now to Paul’s response to his Romans 6:1 question “What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin that grace may abound?
Romans 6:2 "Certainly not! How shall we who died to sin live any longer in it? 3 Or do you not know that as many of us as were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into His death? 4 Therefore we were buried with Him through baptism into death, that just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.”

Believers, Paul’s response here simply means that we have moved from the country of Sin to the country of Grace where we have God’s Righteousness as gift. Just as we could produce only sinful deeds before Christ delivered us from the consequences of Adam’s disobedience, as the righteousness of God in Christ, believing in His righteousness that we receive as a gift and not that which is from our law-keeping, we will produce righteousness.

Verses 15-17 say even more: 15 "Well then, since God’s grace has set us free from the law, does that mean we can go on sinning? Of course not! 16 Don’t you realize that you become the slave of whatever you choose to obey? You can be a slave to sin, which leads to death, or you can choose to obey God, which leads to righteous living. 17 Thank God! Once you were slaves of sin, but now you wholeheartedly obey this teaching we have given you. 18 Now you are free from your slavery to sin, and you have become slaves to righteous living.”

A slave will do his master’s bidding. Slaves of God’s Righteousness (the gift, not of works) will live right. Slaves of sin will continue to sin.

But how is one a slave to sin? 1 Corinthians 15:56 says “…, and the power of sin is the law.” The Law gives sin its power over man. Anyone who is trying to keep the Law in order to get right with God is a slave to sin!
Also, notice that “choose to obey God" in v.16 is not obeying the Law but obeying Paul’s teaching: RIGHTEOUSNESS BY FAITH AND NOT BY WORKS.
Those who struggle under the weight of laws that they cannot keep reap a harvest of sinful deeds as it is written in Romans 7:5-

5 “When we were controlled by our old nature, sinful desires were at work within us, and the law aroused these evil desires that produced a harvest of sinful deeds, resulting in death."

What law-keeping does is arouse evil desires that produce a harvest of sinful deeds. " Old nature" here refers to the sin nature that all acquired as a result of Adam's disobedience.
Verse 6 tells of the experience of us who are the righteousness of God in Christ: "But now we have been released from the law, for we died to it and are no longer captive to its power. Now we can serve God, not in the old way of obeying the letter of the law, but in the new way of living in the Spirit.”

The difference between us "grace people" and believers who still fight to keep the Law in order to get right with God or receive from Him is that by His grace, we know we are already 100% right with Him because of what Christ did for us and that He gives us all things freely with Christ according to Romans 8:32, and not because we fasted or went to some mountain to neglect our bodies. We do not have to struggle to live right by our own effort. The Holy Spirit transforms us to the image of our Lord’s glory (2 Corinthians 3:18,) ridding us of the desire to sin and causing us to do God's will. We also are not cut off from Christ as those who try to get right with God by keeping the law are, according to Galatians 5:4 -

"For if you are trying to make yourselves right with God by keeping the law, you have been cut off from Christ! You have fallen away from God’s grace."

Pastors and leaders, stop worrying about what other people will "use God's grace to do" and preach it. Don't try to steady the ark of God like Uzzah did. Don't add the Ten Commandments to righteousness by faith. The law is not of faith. Titus 2 tells us that Grace is our Teacher, not you or I. Tell people about God's grace and let Grace, in the person of our Lord Jesus Christ, do the rest!

Believers, ask our Lord God to lead you on the path of righteousness. The Holy Spirit will teach you all things!

Believe Right and you will Live Right."


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Very well said but you shouldn't get things confused the Ten commandments is totally different from the laws of Moses. God gave the Ten commandments(which doesn't include death or curses), Moses gave the law of Sin and Death.

eph12:
Hear Jesus himself in matt 5:16-19.

Nobody is saying grace is nothing but they go together. None is taking the place of the other. By His Gracr are we saved, yes but without works that our salvation is dead

The law Paul was referring to was the instant judgement, killing of animals, eye for an eye and so on. He didn't say we should not strive to live a righteous life.

I could go on and on, but we all know your idea of gracr is like a licence to commit sin. Blame it on grace.

very well. Go keep all 613 of the laws to be accepted by him
. If you keep 612 of them, then you have failed. Now you see how impossible that is. The main aim of the law being given is to show you that you can't keep it, that there is something innately wrong with you and your desires, hence you see a need for faith in something else other than yourself. Gal 3:19-24. That's exactly what Jesus was trying to say in the mattew scripture u quoted.

eph12:
This law we are talking about what does it mean? What does it entail?

the very aim of the law been given is for you to break them even when you try your best to keep them. When that hapens you see a need to for a faith in a saviour Gal 3:19-24. The law was never given as a tool to save man Rom 3:20; Gal 2:16

eph12:
We allow ourselves to commit sin because we believe God's grace is solely responsible for preventing us from sin. Is that not what this grace talk is all about?

Far from it. We grace people are not perfect as we still fall atimes. The grace teaches you how to live right.

eph12:
I could go on and on, but we all know your idea of gracr is like a licence to commit sin. Blame it on grace.

This is your canal mind in action with all the bible scriptures to back this up you refused to reason along. Even if you think "we" are twisting the word why not reason with him[/quote]

ZORO47:
IF your going to heaven is based on your good works, christ's death on the cross is useless. Your faith in Christ is useless. Cos an atheist or a pagan would go to heaven as well if he is a philanthropist or of good character. That would make your profession of Christ as unnecessary

ZORO47:
very well. Go keep all 613 of the laws to be accepted by him
. If you keep 612 of them, then you have failed. Now you see how impossible that is. The main aim of the law being given is to show you that you can't keep it, that there is something innately wrong with you and your desires, hence you see a need for faith in something else other than yourself. Gal 3:19-24. That's exactly what Jesus was trying to say in the mattew scripture u quoted.

The laws that we cannot ignore are the ten commandments of which love God and your neighbour as yourself tops them all. How do you expect people to ignore this? And why should we? You can't claim to be saved by grace and ignore those commandments. What kind of grace is that? I never said salvation is by law or works but if you say we can keep malice or hate our neighbour and claim to be saved by grace you lie.

eph12:
The laws that we cannot ignore are the ten commandments of which love God and your neighbour as yourself tops them all. How do you expect people to ignore this? And why should we? You can't claim to be saved by grace and ignore those commandments. What kind of grace is that? I never said salvation is by law or works but if you say we can keep malice or hate our neighbour and claim to be saved by grace you lie.

believe what you may.

Elnino4ladies:
What is sin?

satan identity number...!

bomsilaga:
Far from it. We grace people are not perfect as we still fall atimes. The grace teaches you how to live right.

Noooo. Grace does not need to teach you anything. According to zoro47, we have no say in keeping our salvation. He said we cannot help Jesus to maintain our salvation, that there is no "I" in the equation but God only. Now what does this tell you? Because it's sounding to me like there's nothing I can do to help myself. If I get tempted to steal and I fall it's because the grace is not sufficient for me right?

eph12:
Noooo. Grace does not need to teach you anything. According to zoro47, we have no say in keeping our salvation. He said we cannot help Jesus to maintain our salvation, that there is no "I" in the equation but God only. Now what does this tell you? Because it's sounding to me like there's nothing I can do to help myself. If I get tempted to steal and I fall it's because the grace is not sufficient for me right?

not so. The reason why we sin is because of the law, not because of grace. This law that you so hold onto is the very reason why you sin. Grace comes to save u from the law which holds the pOwer of sin. 1 Cor 15:56. The law is the problem, that's why Jesus came to save u from it. Rom 6:14 say "For sin shall not have dominion over you, for you are not under the law, but under grace". What that tells me is under the law I'm dominated by sin, but under grace I'm not under sin's dominion. We really need to unlearn and re-learn. We either believe the bible or we believe what our church pastor's have been sayin,.

eph12:
The laws that we cannot ignore are the ten commandments of which love God and your neighbour as yourself tops them all. How do you expect people to ignore this? And why should we? You can't claim to be saved by grace and ignore those commandments. What kind of grace is that? I never said salvation is by law or works but if you say we can keep malice or hate our neighbour and claim to be saved by grace you lie.

The Ten Commandments is totally different from the Laws of Moses pls check Deuteronomy 31:9 " And Moses wrote this law, and delivered it unto the priests of the sons of Levi, which bare the ark of the covenant of the Lord, and unto the elders of Isreal"
Deuteronomy 31:26 "Take this book of the Law, and put it in the side of the ark of the covenant of the Lord your God, that it may be there for a witness against thee.
From this verse you can see that both are diff and please note that the ark of the covenant of the Lord refers to the Ten commandments

morayho:
This is your canal mind in action with all the bible scriptures to back this up you refused to reason along. Even if you think "we" are twisting the word why not reason with him

IF your going to heaven is based on your good works, christ's death on the cross is useless. Your faith in Christ is useless. Cos an atheist or a pagan would go to heaven as well if he is a philanthropist or of good character. That would make your profession of Christ as unnecessary

I never said good works is all that is needed. No Christian can claim that so why would you think that? Maybe you should read back a little on what has been said.

I hope it is in your bible that faith without works is dead? Do you also think we cannot strive to live righteously after grace has saved us?

The main bone of contention here is not the law or grace if we must be sincere with ourselves. It is whether we have a say in keeping our salvation or not. Are we expected to fall always and easily?

I will like you to explain this "Can we continue to sin that grace may abound?"

ZORO47:
not so. The reason why we sin is because of the law, not because of grace. This law that you so hold onto is the very reason why you sin. Grace comes to save u from the law which holds the pOwer of sin. 1 Cor 15:56. The law is the problem, that's why Jesus came to save u from it. Rom 6:14 say "For sin shall not have dominion over you, for you are not under the law, but under grace". What that tells me is under the law I'm dominated by sin, but under grace I'm not under sin's dominion. We really need to unlearn and re-learn. We either believe the bible or we believe what our church pastor's have been sayin,.

I guess I am misunderstanding you then.

But to be very clear, if I'm to ask God for forgiveness of sin today, am I under law or grace?

eph12:
Hear Jesus himself in matt 5:16-19.

Nobody is saying grace is nothing but they go together. None is taking the place of the other. By His Gracr are we saved, yes but without works that our salvation is dead

The law Paul was referring to was the instant judgement, killing of animals, eye for an eye and so on. He didn't say we should not strive to live a righteous life.

I could go on and on, but we all know your idea of gracr is like a licence to commit sin. Blame it on grace.

Of course, there's work but that's after grace has done His work. You would have to show forth the good work/fruits of grace because anyone who doesn't show off good work would be cut off from the Vine while others will be grafted in. As a matter of fact, your fruits of work will show the world that you're no more of them because a light can never be kept down, it has to shine for everyone to see.

However, the point is you can't deal with sin by just sheer work because you would always struggle against it except you leave it at the hands of Christ who's has finished everything on the calvary and he's the author and finisher of one's faith. That's why the bible tells us of how we're being sanctified for his master use.

Hence, after one's santification, the person should be ready for the Master's use and show forth good fruits but if he's still unfruitful by choosing to remain in his sin even after the particular nature has been taken away, he would be cut off indefinitely.

morayho:
The Ten Commandments is totally different from the Laws of Moses pls check Deuteronomy 31:9 " And Moses wrote this law, and delivered it unto the priests of the sons of Levi, which bare the ark of the covenant of the Lord, and unto the elders of Isreal"
Deuteronomy 31:26 "Take this book of the Law, and put it in the side of the ark of the covenant of the Lord your God, that it may be there for a witness against thee.
From this verse you can see that both are diff and please note that the ark of the covenant of the Lord refers to the Ten commandments

Oh! Lol. This explains it. But if we're referring to all those things in deuteronomy, who still live by those laws? I don't think there are still people that do.

eph12:
Noooo. Grace does not need to teach you anything. According to zoro47, we have no say in keeping our salvation. He said we cannot help Jesus to maintain our salvation, that there is no "I" in the equation but God only. Now what does this tell you? Because it's sounding to me like there's nothing I can do to help myself. If I get tempted to steal and I fall it's because the grace is not sufficient for me right?

It's a renewal of mind thing.
When grace is at work in your life, you hardly contemplate sin. The divine power of God in you doesn't allow you to fall wholely into that sin.
Mind you that the reference scripture is where sin abounds, grace abounds even more.
Also, seven times shall a righteous man sin, yea these seven times he shall rise again.
The grace of God makes you see sin for what it is and exposes divine ways to overcome your next exposure.
By experience, I found out that there are certain things, I just can't indulge in and the list keeps on growing.

eph12:
Oh! Lol. This explains it. But if we're referring to all those things in deuteronomy, who still live by those laws? I don't think there are still people that do.

A lot of people still do.

DickDastardly:
Christianity is living like Christ. Christ lived a pure life, 10 commandments observation inclusive. To follow Christ we must be like him. Stop teaching people wickedness. This kind of write up is the reason todays Church is a total mockery of the life of Christ. GRACE this, GRACE that, bla bla bla. How can one ignore Gods 10 Commandments and expect him to be pleased. GOD has not changed. He remains the God of old. And Christ warned against twisting the words of his father when he said, do not add nor subtract.
Stop creating ANTI CHRISTS with this kind of senseless and silly teachings. Christians must learn how to live piously like Christ, if not we will sooner or later erode Christianity by our own very hands while ignorantly waiting for an immaginary ANTI CHRIST. There is no amount of grace that can save a sinner.

The mockery state of the church which is really worrisome can not and will never be as a result of the truth but ignorance, which is apparent here. You quickly believed that by one man's disobedience, we became sinners but it's taking you more than the richman who went to hell to accept that by Jesus' obedience, we are made righteous. What else can we attribute this to if not ignorance. May God enlightened the eyes of you and your type your understanding. God bless you.

eph12:
Oh! Lol. This explains it. But if we're referring to all those things in deuteronomy, who still live by those laws? I don't think there are still people that do.

Yes!!! we still do live by the law the only thing that differs is we don't enforce the consequences given by Moses. For instance if one steals now, you get arrested not get one's hand cut off. Moses's law brought sin and death.
Hebrews 10:28
He that despised Moses's Law died without mercy under two or three witnesses
Most of what we see today as good and evil is still based on Moses's law

eameh30:
Absolutely wonderful... If only preachers can know that they don't have to help God to make people feel right but preach the truth and life will be transformed...
God is not interested in behavior modification, God wants to see life transformed, be transformed by keep on hearing this good news 'the Grace'. Grace transformed us and not modify our behavior and it is only when you are transformed that you can live a life free from sin

Yes bro!! you are very correct!! I am happy that u know the truth ....

eph12:
I never said good works is all that is needed. No Christian can claim that so why would you think that? Maybe you should read back a little on what has been said.

I hope it is in your bible that faith without works is dead? Do you also think we cannot strive to live righteously after grace has saved us?

The main bone of contention here is not the law or grace if we must be sincere with ourselves. It is whether we have a say in keeping our salvation or not. Are we expected to fall always and easily?

I will like you to explain this "Can we continue to sin that grace may abound?"

"We" still do strive to live righteously after grace has saved us . We have been made perfect by the sacrifice of christ,( which is the grace) what the Law will only make us see is our imperfections which breeds sin consciousness and doesn't all us flow more with God.