Tosinex:
lolzz.. I will first have to cross examine her and then we go to a female gynecologist if need be.

No. You go to a general surgeon not a gynaecologist. Understood?

Yes. We have eyes to see and the sixth sense to think right and not to commit sin.

So you are trying to say the job should be for only unbelievers and muslims? Born again christians can not avoid certain professions

AZeD1:

You sir are a disgrace to Christianity and are no different from the Pharisees. The Bible says a man who looks at a woman lustfully commits adultery and vice versa, the question to ask is does a woman have to be naked to look at her lustfully?
If the answer is no, then Men and women should not live in the same town/country together because a man be him a doctor, banker, lawyer or teacher would see females and there's a possiblity for lust to creep in.

Thanks for the insult. It doesn't change anything about me. A woman does not need to be naked for you to lust after her but here we are talking about treating people of the opposite sex who need to be unclad and that puts one in a precarious position to lust. My thread is not a judgement on medical staff but a counsel from loving heart directed at people who have salvation and their purity to protect in order not to endanger their souls. It is an opinion, not a doctrine. I believe there are people who see it this way and appreciate it accordingly. Thanks.

Tedpgrass:

YES!!!!!

I'm a gynae and an intimate examination is just a process in aiding diagnosis and management!!

Different shapes and sizes are seen and palpated daily. S..exx advice is given on several occasions.... at least advice given is based on the woman's needs, anatomy and physiology not some recycled nonsense sometimes printed in the glossies.

I've got lady friends who are urologists, andrologists and sexual+reproductive health consultants who examine male w.illies daily--- Are they committing a sin or at risk of such??

Durhhhh...

Ethics is the word here!!
Good ethics determine you don't treat your patient in a sexual manner no matter how tempting the organ's appearance or how willing she/ he may appear to be for an illicit affair!!!!....

Its so serious, you risk being struck off the register of the local regulatory body!!!!!!

No vagina/ penis (as applicable) is worth all that trouble!!!!!



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This is very insightful and interesting. Most professionals would not engage in unethical practice in order not to be disqualified or lose their license. Even at that, some still fall prey. How I pray that as we value our earthly careers, we will in the same vein value our relationship with God and eternal destiny much more. Thank you very much sir for your wonderful contribution.

davtosh:
Who can cares. when it comes to matter of life and death.

My wife was in labour for two days and the doctor would come every now and then to check if the babies have turned. Every time he comes he would spread her legs and fumble with it the woman was in serious pain and we didnt want to do CS which of course we settled for later and Thanks to God for that. My wife is a shy person but she had no choice infact it got to a point th a t the doctor didnt have to ask her to spread before she did.

So is it wrong for a Christian man to save womens lives? Whether as a doctor or not.

Youve got to know thst this doctors have seen so many virginas that it doesn't frick them again. Not to talk of having erection. They are used to seeing it as they see blood everyday.

I see nothing wrong in a Christian man being a Gynaecologist.

You made a very valid point sir.

adepeter26:

Another mumu comment

broo
What a silly comment indeed

femi4:
It doesn't work that way....when you see diverse breast and pussy everyday at work......saving a life will overshadow the fact you are touching the body of a woman.

If you ve seen a woman in labour before....at that time she careless about whether the doctor attending to her is male or female cos at that particular point in time she just want the baby out safely by the best hands available

You are absolutely correct sir.

Sexyolori:
Professional gynaes don't go poking, proving and doing things outside their duties. So why can't a christian be a gynae? It will only become wrong when he begins to engage in inappropriate behaviour with patients.

You are right sir. That is exactly my point. My message is not for everybody. It is only for the born again male gynos. It so happens that I used a public forum like this as my medium of communication. The Bible says he that thinks he stands should be careful lest he fall. Satan is seriously after the fall of a born again Christian to prevent him/her from making heaven and also to bring reproach to the body of Christ. Thanks sir.

hotspec:
Bunch of hypocrites. A born-again cannot be a gynecologist, but a born-again can steal, embezzle, sleep with deaconess, choir members, ushers, smoke weed bf singing praise and worship, poison Daddy GO to assume his position, steal church offering for personal use, buy jet and #1m brief case, 2.5m rolex watch bla bla bla

Non of those who do such is born again sir. If any was, he/she is now a backslidder. But there are people who are really born again and by their fruits, sir, you shall know them. Sir, it is the will of God that you become one today by repenting of your sins and surrendering your life to Christ. God can use you to convert and correct the sinners. Thanks a lot.

micflo28:
Their are ethics to medical professions, so long you do it just to help and save lives, no strings attached, no sexual perversions, that's all that matters, you will please God and make heaven even with the profession. The onus is draw the line, do not do it for sexual satisfaction or inclination.

Thanks a lot sir. Your comment was straight to the point.

unto:
Brother there is no amount of effort of any human that will take them to heaven, it is only by the grace. u cannot be too careful God perfect whom he wants to perfect. If there are no gynecologist and our women are suffering, who commit more sin? because Esekiel 8 vs 22 said are there no oil balm in Gilead are there no physician there why are my people dying in sickness. Gynecologists is like any other profession So be what u have passion for because u will sin less than when u go for what u did not like and u start regreting there by commiting more sin than u wanted to avoid

Sir, you are right, yet wrong. Our self efforts cannot save us, it is by grace as we repent and accept Christ by faith- true. But to claim that God perfects whom He wants to perfect, implying that God is partial is wrong sir. We are free moral agents - free to accept or reject Christ and the salvation He brings, and the consequences are ours. But your point on the role of gynaecologists is well understood. Thanks.

Sinkills:
A born again Christian can be a medical doctor and there are so many of them. But I maintain that compulsorily perusing the nudity of the opposite sex and fumbling with their sensitive organs as part of one's job is unchristian. You are suggesting that a born again doctor cannot do without involving in such but I totally disagree.

Sir, A doctor CANNOT qualify as a doctor (pass from school) without having STUDIED women anatomy. He or she must also learn to fully examine women of all ages and ALL body parts including sexual organs . He or she will be taught how to make appropriate diagnosis based on such findings. This series of steps in knowledge starts with 18 months or so of examining and cutting open dead bodies followed by studies on living bodies. During that period, ones mind will mature from seeing sexy bodies to bodies in need of repair. You are only allowing your imagination to paint a picture of a male doctor with his emotions troubling him when he sees a naked body. You will loose that notion rapidly, i can assure you, if you spend an hour in the labour room!
I am a born again Christian by the way and being so for the last 25years and by His grace, knowing Him more daily and I can assure you, i have seen naked bodies- male and female, whole, broken, mangled and diseased and i wake up daily thanking God for the grace to continue being a source of light to those He brings my way MALE or FEMALE!

durodee:

Sir, A doctor CANNOT qualify as a doctor (pass from school) without having STUDIED women anatomy. He or she must also learn to fully examine women of all ages and ALL body parts including sexual organs . He or she will be taught how to make appropriate diagnosis based on such findings. This series of steps in knowledge starts with 18 months or so of examining and cutting open dead bodies followed by studies on living bodies. During that period, ones mind will mature from seeing sexy bodies to bodies in need of repair. You are only allowing your imagination to paint a picture of a male doctor with his emotions troubling him when he sees a naked body. You will loose that notion rapidly, i can assure you, if you spend an hour in the labour room!
I am a born again Christian by the way and being so for the last 25years and by His grace, knowing Him more daily and I can assure you, i have seen naked bodies- male and female, whole, broken, mangled and diseased and i wake up daily thanking God for the grace to continue being a source of light to those He brings my way MALE or FEMALE!

Thank you very much sir for the explanations. I hope every other medical doctor is like you. May His grace abound in your life, may you be fulfilled in marriage, career, ministry and every other godly thing you engage in and make it to heaven eventually I J N, Amen.

Sinkills:
You really think so? You may be right sir but not absolutely. Thanks.

Well, you are entitled to your opinion. A patient at hand is not an object of sexual arousal. He/She is in dire need of a Doctor/Nurse, any health professional who derive pleasure from such a sick/dying person is mad.

This topic is very technical, the point of the OP is about a Born-Again christian doing it, not that he or she will carry out deviant actions on the patient but what goes through the mind of such male in his quiet time or flashes through his mind..(After viewing a pretty damsel, a damn pretty one that will get all your nerves at edge...)...we are all humans and our brain gives us a daily replay of everyday activities while we rest...what playbacks do these Gynaes get at the end of the day...?
#JustThinking#

A Christian should be light and an example in any profession he/she practices. People say various negative things about different professions but we still have good Christians practicing those professions and holding unto the tenets of the Scriptures. For instance, not all lawyers lie as some are Christians and have DECIDED to obey God and shine as lights to others.
I remember my doctor (male) going into the theatre and praying earnestly before the surgery began while the people in charge of anesthesia were doing their part. I always thank God for his life when I remember.
Also, on a larger scale, male doctors/ medical practitioners are more sympathetic to the plight of women esp. in pregnancy. Some female med. persons could ask unreasonable questions like 'na you first born' when a woman is screaming due to labour pains. Most male doctors will rather pacify the woman.
In conclusion, no profession is stated in the Bible or any other book/place to be restricted to any gender. Just discover your purpose in line with your career and follow through. Decide to shine as light in that profession. Life is all about DECISIONS. Peace.

Sinkills:
OK. Sorry to ask, what about your eternal future? You think it not in any jeopardy by your decision?

I'll have to believe in eternity to worry about my eternal future, don't you think so?

Sinkills,
I must say this again: hats off to you.
I've watched how you've carried yourself through the total onslaught of comments/attacks for you having a belief. You were slandered, maligned, criticized....left & right.
I learned something here. It's not "what's" thrown at one, but rather "how" one responds (regardless of the situation).
You sir, handled this like a true man of God (humility, class, gentleness, and grace etc). No way on Earth could you have replied like you have..unless Christ is with you. You aren't a "fake".
Thank you Lord for showing me that you still have some reserved...
From "32,000 down to a small "300" men in that particular army....hint..Gideon.
It's never a majority

The Answer is Yes, Yes and Yes a million times. He's already Disciplined and God may want to show him A Special Light in His Creations.

Can't you see him scanning The Fxxk?

Female Born Agains are preferred really. Males may be lust again.

Sinkills:
Non of those who do such is born again sir. If any was, he/she is now a backslidder. But there are people who are really born again and by their fruits, sir, you shall know them. Sir, it is the will of God that you become one today by repenting of your sins and surrendering your life to Christ. God can use you to convert and correct the sinners. Thanks a lot.

There u go again. Ure one of the hypocrites i mentioned. Presuming and tagging me a sinner because i condemned some evil acts committed by born again's. I blv u will be ok by a gay gyna attending to male patient and a lesbian gyna attending to female clients? U claimed to be a born-again, u dont know me, but because i exposed some atrocities has made u tagged me a sinner. Where in d Bible is recorded that a profession is a crime? ; but im sure u will collect his tithes, if hez ur church member. I remeber one Pastor many years back asking me.not to study Mass Comm because as a born again, its a no-no, as that profession is for liers. Is it only journalists dt lie? What of pastors that lie even on d pulpit concorting different jack and bull stories that are not real. I am a born again, and u should seek forgiveness claiming to be holier than d pope, and tagging people sinners. Check this my article, it will help ur ministry: https://www.nairaland.com/3512313/what-essence-church-christianity

MZLady39:
Sinkills,
I must say this again: hats off to you.
I've watched how you've carried yourself through the total onslaught of comments/attacks for you having a belief. You were slandered, maligned, criticized....left & right.
I learned something here. It's not "what's" thrown at one, but rather "how" one responds (regardless of the situation).
You sir, handled this like a true man of God (humility, class, gentleness, and grace etc). No way on Earth could you have replied like you have..unless Christ is with you. You aren't a "fake".
Thank you Lord for showing me that you still have some reserved...
From "32,000 to 300" men in your army. It's never a majority

Thank you very much ma for your commendation. May God help you and I to be consistent in our walk with God, fulfil our respective ministries and make it to heaven eventually I J N, Amen.

hotspec:
There u go again. Ure one of the hypocrites i mentioned. Presuming and tagging me a sinner because i condemned some evil acts committed by born again's. I blv u will be ok by a gay gyna attending to male patient and a lesbian gyna attending to female clients? U claimed to be a born-again, u dont know me, but because i exposed some atrocities has made u tagged me a sinner. Where in d Bible is recorded that a profession is a crime? ; but im sure u will collect his tithes, if hez ur church member. I remeber one Pastor many years back asking me.not to study Mass Comm because as a born again, its a no-no, as that profession is for liers. Is it only journalists dt lie? What of pastors that lie even on d pulpit concorting different jack and bull stories that are not real. I am a born again, and u should seek forgiveness claiming to be holier than d pope, and tagging people sinners. Check this my article, it will help ur ministry: https://www.nairaland.com/3512313/what-essence-church-christianity

Sorry sir, I assumed you were yet to be born again because of the way you tagged sinners in the Church 'born again' sarcastically. I thought you were being pessimistic and insinuating that no one is actually born again. This is actually the attitude many unbelievers I have come across have and demonstrate. That was why I had to correct this impression, encourage you to repent personally and accept Christ so that you can realise that salvation from sin is real and so that you can be used to convert the sinners. You could have simply given your opinion sir without given a wrong impression about yourself. On the issue, I do not support gays, lesbians or any other atrocious people. Anyone who engages in such must quickly repent or else stands the risk of eternal damnation. In my candid opinion, a Christian should choose or be assisted to choose a profession that will not conflict with his/her faith or make him/her to be confessing sin now and then. If he/she is already in one that is not unscriptural but subject to temptations, he/she needs prayer and watchfulness at all times. Once again, I am sorry sir. I pray that God gives you the grace to fulfil your ministry I J N, Amen.

hotspec:
There u go again. Ure one of the hypocrites i mentioned. Presuming and tagging me a sinner because i condemned some evil acts committed by born again's. I blv u will be ok by a gay gyna attending to male patient and a lesbian gyna attending to female clients? U claimed to be a born-again, u dont know me, but because i exposed some atrocities has made u tagged me a sinner. Where in d Bible is recorded that a profession is a crime? ; but im sure u will collect his tithes, if hez ur church member. I remeber one Pastor many years back asking me.not to study Mass Comm because as a born again, its a no-no, as that profession is for liers. Is it only journalists dt lie? What of pastors that lie even on d pulpit concorting different jack and bull stories that are not real. I am a born again, and u should seek forgiveness claiming to be holier than d pope, and tagging people sinners. Check this my article, it will help ur ministry: https://www.nairaland.com/3512313/what-essence-church-christianity

Sorry sir, I assumed you were yet to be born again because of the way you tagged sinners in the Church 'born again' sarcastically. I thought you were being pessimistic and insinuating that no one is actually born again. This is actually the attitude many unbelievers I have come across have and demonstrate. That was why I had to correct this impression, encourage you to repent personally and accept Christ so that you can realise that salvation from sin is real and so that you can be used to convert the sinners. You could have simply given your opinion sir without giving a wrong impression about yourself. Back to my thread, I do not support gays, lesbians or any other atrocious people. Anyone who engages in such must quickly repent or else stands the risk of eternal damnation. In my candid opinion, a Christian should choose or be assisted to choose a profession that will not conflict with his/her faith or make him/her to be confessing sin now and then. If he/she is already in one that is not unscriptural but subject to temptations, he/she needs prayer and watchfulness at all times. Once again, I am sorry sir. I pray that God gives you the grace to fulfil your ministry I J N, Amen.

So this thread finally got to the front page. Anyway I have stated my piece. No further comment.

CatfishBilly:

I'll have to believe in eternity to worry about my eternal future, don't you think so?

I see, you do not believe in eternity. You are entitled to your belief sir. But sir, that you do not believe in something does not delete it from existence. I would advise you to believe and go back to God (not religion). If you believe and you later die to find out that eternity is not real, you would have nothing to lose, do you? If on the other hand, you refuse to believe (repent, accept Christ's sacrifice on your behalf and make your ways right with God) and you die to find out to your chagrin that eternity is real, sir you would have made an eternally regretable mistake! Your anguish (God forbid) would be worsened by the fact that you once believed or was close to believing!! I pray you make the right decision now I J N, Amen.

Sinkills:
I see, you do not believe in eternity. You are entitled to your belief sir. But sir, that you do not believe in something does not delete it from existence. I would advise you to believe and go back to God (not religion). If you believe and you later die to find out that eternity is not real, you would have nothing to lose, do you? If on the other hand, you refuse to believe (repent, accept Christ's sacrifice on your behalf and make your ways right with God) and you die to find out to your chagrin that eternity is real, sir you would have made an eternally regretable mistake! Your anguish (God forbid) would be worsened by the fact that you once believed or was close to believing!! I pray you make the right decision now I J N, Amen.

oooh lhard,,, another pascal wager

ElDadd:
Theres is temptation in almost everything and every profession including medicine.

That doesn't mean you should flee from temptation instead you pray to be delivered from temptation.

A Christian can be a gynaecologist when he upholds his Medical Ethics as well as pray against temptation.

Because my neighbour is a prostitute doesn't mean I should pack out of the house. Instead I'll pray to God to give me strength against temptation and possibly win her to Christ.

Or do you see going to a brothel for envagelism as a sin? You pray against temptation, you go with a partner, likewise O & G.. you pray then you work with a chaperone... Simple

Do you get my point?
Gynaecologists are Christians, pure and undefiled

I get your point sir. But I think your closing sentence should be "There are Christian gynaecologists who are pure and undefiled".

scorpio1:
This topic is very technical, the point of the OP is about a Born-Again christian doing it, not that he or she will carry out deviant actions on the patient but what goes through the mind of such male in his quiet time or flashes through his mind..(After viewing a pretty damsel, a damn pretty one that will get all your nerves at edge...)...we are all humans and our brain gives us a daily replay of everyday activities while we rest...what playbacks do these Gynaes get at the end of the day...?
#JustThinking#

You got my message sir. God bless you.