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goldfish80:
How about other players like Dike, Uche Nwofor, Gabriel Suswan and about 90% of the team who made the team to the U20 as homebased players? Some others like Edafe Egbedi was not even attached.
Please, get your facts. Musa didn't make that team because he proved himself at Venlo.

So if he had flopped at Venlo would he have still made the team?

Those players you mentioned were doing well in their respective clubs in the NPFL. I remember Uche Nwofor at Rangers then.


And as for Egbedi, he was a former U17 player. If you followed that tourney in 2009 well you'll recall he was one of the stand out performance. So the coach kept faith with him and promoted him along with some other players to the U20 even though he was unattached.

My point about Musa is that him playing at the WYC really gave the Super Eagles handlers a good opportunity to fully integrate him into the Super Eagles.

So there is nothing wrong in Odey playing for any of our youth teams.

BascoVanVeli:
Idrissa Gueye sticks out for me, he currently leads the epl in tackles even though he was at the Afcon.

There has been a lot of talk about our players how well we are progressing how world class our players are. We have failed to qualify for AFCON several times that's indicative of problems.

Synergy is becoming a strategic approach to management. I suspect the African Francophone countries do not invest as much as we do in thier local leagues. But synergise with the French league system do develop thier players.

I do not see Francophone African players playing in obscure back of the yard leagues like our top NPFL players seem to do.

Quite obviously England the home of BREXIT will never and has never helped us. We need to find a way to develop our football.

I posted a piece about Senegal for us to make direct comparison so we could have a reality check about where we are.

Currently our best striker it seems well most seem to think is KC now becoming a confirmed bench warmer and two bit player. If that's is the reality we are in trouble with our development. Compare Senegal's top strikers and we'll Wahala deh.

Icon4s:
Musa did not play at the AYC in January of 2011. He featured at the WYC in June /July of 2011 after having a good season first season at Venlo.

We only had 7 foreign based players in that team to the U20 world cup. The rest were homebased and unattached. Saying Musa made that team because he was foreign based is not true.

Icon4s:
So if he had flopped at Venlo would he have still made the team?

Those players you mentioned were doing well in their respective clubs in the NPFL. I remember Uche Nwofor at Rangers then.


And as for Egbedi, he was a former U17 player. If you followed that tourney in 2009 well you'll recall he was one of the stand out performance. So the coach kept faith with him and promoted him along with some other players to the U20 even though he was unattached.

My point about Musa is that him playing at the WYC really gave the Super Eagles handlers a good opportunity to fully integrate him into the Super Eagles.

So there is nothing wrong in Odey playing for any of our youth teams.

My point is that Musa would have made that John Obuh team even if he was still playing for Kano pillars.

Yes there's nothing wrong with Odeh playing for any of the under age teams if he's qualified. But which of our age grade teams is in play at the moment?

Musa was invited by Las Lagerback in the lead up to the world cup for camping, why not Stephen Odeh invited for an ordinary friendly?

The same Rohr who invited two homebased players in the world cup qualifiers against Zambia in Chisom and Obaje who were the inform hit men in the NPFL. A few months down the line the same manager didn't didnt bother inviting Stephen for a small matter of friendly games against African teams.
Seriously, Odeh has a strong case here if we are being fair.

jotey:
prince aggrey ....femi Thomas were even making the list

thank God oliseh is gone

Thank God you agreed.

jotey:
you have not open any yansh here

okocho was involved fine

iwobi also showed commitment and trained with our u-23 hence his call up

meanwhile ojo cannot do the same

can ojo come to Lagos to train with amuneke boys?

Hehehehe! NFF and Okocha was directly involved.


Is Ojo eligible to play for Nigeria underage team after playing for England U19 in UEFA competition?

Habi! You no sabi FIFA rules?

jotey:
iwobi was fully committed


is ojo willing to train with amuneke boys ?

See the above question.

jotey:
you don't have a point @forgiveness

even if oliseh did not hand him a call up

iwobi for still choose naija

http://m.goal.com/s/en-ng/news/4078/exclusives/2015/09/25/15710162/exclusive-i-cant-wait-to-play-for-nigeria-arsenals-alex

. Hahahaha! It seems you don't know the heart and mouth of human beings dey change.

Ask Sidney, he said many good things about Nigeria but when Germany came calling, he denied ever to had verbally pledged to play for Nigeria.

Try again.

Icon4s:
Hey! Iwobi was already a senior Arsenal player before being invited to the Super Eagles.

He was only earlier invited to the U23 camp by Siasia which he outrightly attended.

Now, the question is will players like lookman or Tammy be willing to join our U20 team? Cos that is where i can only think of placing them for now?

Really!

How many matches did Alex Iwobi play before he received a call up to play for Nigeria?

In short, make I do the needful.


Look at the snapshot of the history of matches he played before he received a call up. Nothing showed or proved he played for the senior Arsenal team.

Take note of the date in first snapshot that shows the history of matches he played before he was invited for friendly matches against Congo and Cameroon.


Alex Iwobi was an academy player going by some people's logic here.

joseph1013:
I have said it before that these people shouting MLS this, MLS that cannot boast that come what may the Super Eagles will beat Columbia, Uruguay, Chile, or USA. In the FIFA ranking, USA is 30th, Uruguay is 9th, Columbia is 7th, Chile is 4th. Nigeria is 41 o. Some of the players of these teams play in the MLS, Fernando Adi is bossing them week in week out. Even Kaka was invited to the Brazilian team while playing in MLS.

We have players from Cameroun, Ivory Coast, and Mexico playing in the MLS.

So what's the excuse for not inviting Adi when he is regularly showing his quality in the league. It's not just the goals, it's the ways he scores them. Is MLS not better than Cyprus league? What about Bosnia?

According to a 2016 ranking, here are the top 10 leagues in the world:

1 Spanish La Liga 48
2 Premier League 47
3 Bundesliga 42
4 Italian Serie A 37
5 Portuguese Liga 35
6 French Ligue 1 31
7 Dutch Eredivisie 27
8 Argentine League 21
9 Brazilian Serie A 20
10 USA MLS 20


Source: http://www.totalsportek.com/football/ranking-best-league-in-the-world/

I repeat: What's the excuse? Why not invite him to camp and let him compete. Glad the likes of Siasia and Oliseh are out of the settings with their lies that he cannot undertake rigorous workouts.
Please what did they achieve for us with their rigorous training?

God bless you.


I was about to point out the position of MLS in league of top 10 leagues in the world and you did the needful.

komekn:
There has been a lot of talk about our players how well we are progressing how world class our players are. We have failed to qualify for AFCON several times that's indicative of problems.

Synergy is becoming a strategic approach to management. I suspect the African Francophone countries do not invest as much as we do in thier local leagues. But synergise with the French league system do develop thier players.

I do not see Francophone African players playing in obscure back of the yard leagues like our top NPFL players seem to do.

Quite obviously England the home of BREXIT will never and has never helped us. We need to find a way to develop our football.

I posted a piece about Senegal for us to make direct comparison so we could have a reality check about where we are.

Currently our best striker it seems well most seem to think is KC now becoming a confirmed bench warmer and two bit player. If that's is the reality we are in trouble with our development. Compare Senegal's top strikers and we'll Wahala deh.

Mame Biram Diouf has scored a mighty 2 goals so far this season(Afcon included). Moussa Sow, his backup plays in Turkey and has scored 11 out of 26 in all competition. Their strikers are not exactly world class either.

Icon4s:
Hey! Iwobi was already a senior Arsenal player before being invited to the Super Eagles.

He was only earlier invited to the U23 camp by Siasia which he outrightly attended.

Now, the question is will players like lookman or Tammy be willing to join our U20 team? Cos that is where i can only think of placing them for now?

Are those aforementioned eligible to play for Nigeria underage team after playing for England U19 in UEFA competition?

So, you think a first team player of Everton and a player banging in goals regularly should be placed lower than players chopping bench and sparingly playing football?

Icon4s:
A good goal from the guy once nick-named 'the Nigerian Ronaldo'.

We may soon need to start selecting players for the 2019 AAG and 2020 Olympics qualifiers a good number of these young players are eligible.

AAG qualifiers starts next yr. All players who are presently 20yrs and below will make up the Dream team VII. At least this should be an opportunity for a player like Steven Odey

We jst need a good coach with unbiased selection process. I tip that team to do well.

Azubuike Okechukwu, Sadiq Umar, Nura Abdulahi, All Amuneke's U17 2015 boys, Ifeanyi Mathew, Musa Yahaya, Chidera Ezeh, Taiwo Awoniyi, Chidozie Awaziem, Osarenren Obazee, among others.

We can also send invitations to the English duo of Lookman And Abraham.

Lookman and Abraham are only eligible to play for the Super Eagles.

maidaboi:
they guy is good but because he was not born in england or he plays for small club and league he is not good using someone logic

Who told you I am biased towards extending invitations to players born outside England or playing in small club or league?


I am indifference to such logic.

komekn:
Aluko was excluded intentionally by a hungry shameless assistant national coach who he refused to play financial Maradona with.

Basically he refused to settle, the concept was alien to him he felt he was there on merit. So why must he have to pay inducement and add insult to Injury sack his agent and take the recommended agent given by the coach. NUFF SAID.

We know na.

tbaba1234:
The point is that, scoring in a league like Nigeria does not automatically mean the player is top class. We have seen many top scorers in the Nigerian League who could not cut it elsewhere. Let us see Odey in CHAN scoring goals or on the continent scoring goals.

Fred Friday scored a lot of goals in Serbia but he has struggled to score as much in Holland. Tougher league, different results.

Odey could be top class but we need to see him at a higher level.

I think Fred Friday now plays as winger and not as a striker.

forgiveness:
I think Fred Friday now plays as winger and not as a striker.

He plays as a striker. In fact, he was dropped earlier in the season after barren spells.

CLT123:
Does anyone see Iheanacho joining Everton this Summer?

Everton players don't stand a chance of playing in the national team, na.

They can only be placed with the U20 team.

tbaba1234:
He plays as a striker. In fact, he was dropped earlier in the season after barren spells.

I saw him played on the wing in the Europa but not as a striker.

forgiveness:
I saw him played on the wing in the Europa but not as a striker.

Maybe occasionally, but mostly up front.

forgiveness:
Really!

How many matches did Alex Iwobi play before he received a call up to play for Nigeria?

In short, make I do the needful.


Look at the snapshot of the history of matches he played before he received a call up. Nothing showed or proved he played for the senior Arsenal team.

Take note of the date in first snapshot that shows the history of matches he played before he was invited for friendly matches against Congo and Cameroon.


Alex Iwobi was an academy player going by some people's logic here.

Iwobi played his first game in the premiership for Arsenal on October 31st 2015. Essentially he had never played first team football before he played for the Senior Eagles as a full international.

tbaba1234:
Maybe occasionally, but mostly up front.

Ok.

BascoVanVeli:
Mame Biram Diouf has scored a mighty 2 goals so far this season(Afcon included). Moussa Sow, his backup plays in Turkey and has scored 11 out of 26 in all competition. Their strikers are not exactly world class either.

Demba Ba -Besiktas

Papisse Cisse - Shandong Luneng

Khouma Babacar - Fiorentina

Keita Baldé Diao – Lazio


They may not be World class not exactly sure what that means but they are very good. Who do we have that is comparative.

BascoVanVeli:
Awoniyi back on the bench, lets hope he gets much needed game time.

26 games on loan and two goals that is not progress add to that low level teams.

komekn:
26 games on loan and two goals that is not progress add to that low level teams.

The kid has stagnated badly. Worried for him

Ezeh vs Awaziem

komekn:
Demba Ba -Besiktas

Papisse Cisse - Shandong Luneng

Khouma Babacar - Fiorentina

Keita Baldé Diao – Lazio


They may not be World class not exactly sure what that means but they are very good. Who do we have that is comparative.

Ba and Cisse have not played for Senegal in a while, that's like mentioning Obagoal. Balde Keita is not a striker and Khouma doesn't even have a cap.

komekn:
26 games on loan and two goals that is not progress add to that low level teams.

It always takes time, his team sucks btw.

tbaba1234:
The kid has stagnated badly. Worried for him

He is not the only one. Modern football is not age restricted. If you have had a storming tournament at the U17 World cup as a player. I do not believe you should wait for 1, 2, 3 even four years before playing regular first team football.

It doesn't have to be a top premiership team but at least a mid table EPL or championship team. There are too many 17 & 18 year old players making waves across Europes top leagues.

For this reason when I think of the pedigree Osimhen brought to the table and he has not played first team at Wolfsburg this is not progress. Unless he Osimhen is not as good as has been initially believed.

Considering that Wolfsburg is at the bottom end of the table facing relegation. And he Osimhen has not played one game it's very worrying and then shockingly invited to National team, on what basis.

I would say Tega Abraham is very far ahead over a lot of these guys. 20 goals in the championship is not an easy achievement and in a poor performing team.

Sone have suggested U20 for him in Nigeria that's an insult. If Rashford can play for England then why can't Tega for Nigeria. If you are good enough you are old enough.

komekn:
He is not the only one. Modern football is not age restricted. If you have had a storming tournament at the U17 World cup as a player. I do not believe you should wait for 1, 2, 3 even four years before playing regular first team football.

It doesn't have to be a top premiership team but at least a mid table EPL or championship team. There are too many 17 & 18 year old players making waves across Europes top leagues.

For this reason when I think of the pedigree Osimhen brought to the table and he has not played first team at Wolfsburg this is not progress. Unless he Osimhen is not as good as has been initially believed.

Considering that Wolfsburg is at the bottom end of the table facing relegation. And he Osimhen has not played one game it's very worrying and then shockingly invited to National team, on what basis.

I would say Tega Abraham is very far ahead over a lot of these guys. 20 goals in the championship is not an easy achievement and in a poor performing team.

Sone have suggested U20 for him in Nigeria that's an insult. If Rashford can play for England then why can't Tega for Nigeria. If you are good enough you are old enough.

U earlier noted that Iwobi didn't play first team football before his debut, so why the wahala with Osimhen?

BascoVanVeli:
Ba and Cisse have not played for Senegal in a while, that's like mentioning Obagoal. Balde Keita is not a striker and Khouma doesn't even have a cap.

Ba and Cisse are both 31 that's not old I also suspect that the Francophone link limits age cheating because they get discovered quite quickly.

I have no real idea about thier team selection but without a doubt they have a huge pool of talent from the French league to call upon.

Balde Keita has played as a striker for Senegal has blistering pace and a good shot only 22.

BascoVanVeli:
U earlier noted that Iwobi didn't play first team football before his debut, so why the wahala with Osimhen?

He is playing in low rated team facing a relegation battle without world class players in front of him blocking his progression.

Arsenal and Wolfsburg no be mate.