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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 5:40pm On Apr 01, 2017
joseph1013:
Only an ignorant person will not accept the age of Rooney. Only a blind patriot will accept the claims of Ifeanyi.

Can you see how you missed my point?
LOLS. You are still missing it. Rooney shows that a player like Ifeanyi Ifeanyi can be young. Looks deceive.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Humility017(m): 5:41pm On Apr 01, 2017
goldfish80:
I believe the world have gone way past the level where illiterates (sorry to use the word) go on to have a successful careers. If Musa Yahaya cannot read, how does he manage to sign contracts? Abi he doesn't read what he signs?
We must structure our football round education. That's just the way to go.
I think this is same problem befalling musa...because I really think any literate young player will not go pitch tenth in the Turkish league...a league acclaimed for tired legs.

He erred big time...he has a greedy agent
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 5:42pm On Apr 01, 2017
Humility017:
I think this is same problem befalling musa...because I really think any literate young player will not go pitch tenth in the Turkish league...a league acclaimed for tired legs.

He erred big time...he has a greedy agent
Turkey was the window of opportunity for Virgil Van Dyk of Southampton.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 5:44pm On Apr 01, 2017
Humility017:
I think this is same problem befalling musa...because I really think any literate young player will not go pitch tenth in the Turkish league...a league acclaimed for tired legs.

He erred big time...he has a greedy agent
Even book smart, well schooled players fall for bad agents.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by joseph1013: 5:45pm On Apr 01, 2017
TheGoodJoe:
LOLS. You are still missing it. Rooney shows that a player like Ifeanyi Ifeanyi can be young. Looks deceive.
Such a simple thing you have decided not to understand. grin

A Rooney is not a cause for concern. An Ifeanyi is a cause for concern. Simple something!
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Humility017(m): 5:45pm On Apr 01, 2017
TheGoodJoe:
LOLS. You are still missing it. Rooney shows that a player like Ifeanyi Ifeanyi can be young. Looks deceive.
I really think this age cheating is something that should be looked into....
for goodness sake...everyone knows a 16-17 years old boy in Nigeria is still in school...
of a truth...
that's why I pray the LMC go ahead to introduce the proposed under 15 league
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 5:46pm On Apr 01, 2017
by IamJix

That moment when the scoreline is a complete sentence :p FT CHE 1-2 CRY (chelsea want to cry) lemme come and be going

grin
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by goldfish80(m): 5:47pm On Apr 01, 2017
TheGoodJoe:
The World may have gone way beyond that level. Not Nigeria. You can not blame a genius for being poor in a terrible environment.

We have children who are talented, trapped in warring regions like Sambisa. We have geniuses who resorted to trade to help their families have foods in their bellies.

We can not expect a country where majority live in poverty to have sufficient money to train their kids. Does it mean we should punish these geniuses from having better lives? Does it mean if a kid in the IDP.camp, who has never heard a word of English before but has the skills of Okocha does not deserve a chance to make it with his talent?

I think the best football has to offer should go to kids with the most talent and discipline. No other factor should stop that.
Of course there are special cases and such special cases deserve a different treatment. Hoedown, it doesn't stop us from operating with a laid down standard.

The point you raised is one of the reasons I believe we have no football academies in Nigeria. What we have are youth training clubs. Take for instance the template set by France. The clairfoentain French academy blueprint is to have talented youngsters admitted into their academy. The academy is run like a boarding school. These youngsters attend school in the morning and train in the evening. All the great French players like Anelka, Henry, Trazeguet, Greizman, etc and even lately Mbappe graduated from this set up.
Football and education cannot be divorced from each other. Because we live in a country where everything goes doesn't mean we must not follow a laid down standard. I expect a player in the national U17 team to be a senior high school student or a fresh high school graduate.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by joseph1013: 5:48pm On Apr 01, 2017
TheGoodJoe:
Even book smart, well schooled players fall for bad agents.
So what are the odds compared to an uneducated footballer? There is something called risk management.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Humility017(m): 5:48pm On Apr 01, 2017
TheGoodJoe:
Turkey was the window of opportunity for Virgil Van Dyk of Southampton.
of all the young lads breaking through from the Dutch, Belgian, German , French league...
u could make reference to just one from the Turkish league...

u should agree that the lad made the wrong move...Turkish league was never a league renowned for emerging talents
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 5:48pm On Apr 01, 2017
Humility017:
I really think this age cheating is something that should be looked into....
for goodness sake...everyone knows a 16-17 years old boy in Nigeria is still in school...
of a truth...
that's why I pray the LMC go ahead to introduce the proposed under 15 league
Do you believe every 16-17 years old are in school? I doubt half are in school.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Humility017(m): 5:50pm On Apr 01, 2017
TheGoodJoe:
Do you believe every 16-17 years old are in school? I doubt half are in school.
I once had a conversation with a guy who was 24 but could not pass the under 17 trials...
his international passport says he is 16 but he opened to me his true age and told me deep things from his experience during camp
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 5:51pm On Apr 01, 2017
Humility017:
of all the young lads breaking through from the Dutch, Belgian, German , French league...
u could make reference to just one from the Turkish league...

u should agree that the lad made the wrong move...Turkish league was never a league renowned for emerging talents

I do not think it is a wrong move cause of the league. Maybe the club. A young boy will opt for an opportunity in Europe over staying in Nigeria. I bet many that stayed back are in worse situation.

Also, the likes of Awoniyi who was book smart did not end up with a brilliant choice. What of Chidi Nwakali too. It is difficult to ascertain when you are a young Nigerian kid. It takes the grace of God.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 5:52pm On Apr 01, 2017
Humility017:
I once had a conversation with a guy who was 24 but could not pass the under 17 trials...
his international passport says he is 16 but he opened to me his true age and told me deep things from his experience during camp
That does not mean that we do not have young boys fighting for their chances. We have seen lots of real young kids shipped out of the country recently.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by goldfish80(m): 5:52pm On Apr 01, 2017
joseph1013:
The government is notoriously bad in keeping such records. We know it. Even crucial documents like records of the Nigerian Stock Exchange were being lost to rainfall, fire outbreak, and pure old age until they migrated to electronic record keeping.
You will be surprised how well they keep school education records.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 5:53pm On Apr 01, 2017
joseph1013:
So what are the odds compared to an uneducated footballer? There is something called risk management.
Jamb Question. As I said, the best opportunity should go to the kids with the best talent and Discipline. Book Smart is not a guarantee.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Nobody: 5:54pm On Apr 01, 2017
TheGoodJoe:
by IamJ.ix

That moment when the scoreline is a complete sentence :p FT CHE 1-2 CRY (chelsea want to cry) lemme come and be going

grin
gringrin
you're banned from the Almighty betting thread??
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Humility017(m): 5:55pm On Apr 01, 2017
TheGoodJoe:
Do you believe every 16-17 years old are in school? I doubt half are in school.
the truth is even some of these coaches know this things....but they cover it up...

there are lot of things I just can't reveal here....

u see why I prefer this foreign born players...

few years from now...they won't suffer depreciation resulting from old age...reason because they're using their true age play football
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 5:56pm On Apr 01, 2017
goldfish80:
Of course there are special cases and such special cases deserve a different treatment. Hoedown, it doesn't stop us from operating with a laid down standard.

The point you raised is one of the reasons I believe we have no football academies in Nigeria. What we have are youth training clubs. Take for instance the template set by France. The clairfoentain French academy blueprint is to have talented youngsters admitted into their academy. The academy is run like a boarding school. These youngsters attend school in the morning and train in the evening. All the great French players like Anelka, Henry, Trazeguet, Greizman, etc and even lately Mbappe graduated from this set up.
Football and education cannot be divorced from each other. Because we live in a country where everything goes doesn't mean we must not follow a laid down standard. I expect a player in the national U17 team to be a senior high school student or a fresh high school graduate.
With the large number of Nigerians in abject poverty, adapting such solutions will help, but it will not nullify the problem. However, it will turn out catastrophic if we use book smart to screen out football geniuses. Football should guide financially challenged geniuses out of the claws of poverty.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 5:57pm On Apr 01, 2017
Humility017:
the truth is even some of these coaches know this things....but they cover it up...

there are lot of things I just can't reveal here....

u see why I prefer this foreign born players...

few years from now...they won't suffer depreciation resulting from old age...reason because they're using their true age play football
We will keep making strides because we have made great steps to curb age cheating.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Humility017(m): 5:58pm On Apr 01, 2017
TheGoodJoe:
That does not mean that we do not have young boys fighting for their chances. We have seen lots of real young kids shipped out of the country recently.
yeah...you're right
u see we live in country where everything comes late....all because of bad structures.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 5:59pm On Apr 01, 2017
joseph1013:
Such a simple thing you have decided not to understand. grin

A Rooney is not a cause for concern. An Ifeanyi is a cause for concern. Simple something!
You can not kill me with laugh. grin
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m):
Humility017:
yeah...you're right
u see we live in country where everything comes late....all because of bad structures.
It is so painful that we are left with leaders without the sense of fixing this nation. This makes us lack behind in lots of things. Unfortunately, the kids are not to blame. I see us climbing out of this dark wilderness of backwardness.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by goldfish80(m): 6:01pm On Apr 01, 2017
TheGoodJoe:
With the large number of Nigerians in abject poverty, adapting such solutions will help, but it will not nullify the problem. However, it will turn out catastrophic if we use book smart to screen out football geniuses. Football should guide financially challenged geniuses out of the claws of poverty.
Nobody is suggesting using booksmart to select players. You must not be a straight A student to play football. The criteria should be you must be in school. Let's not kid ourselves education from primary to Junior high is almost free in all the states acrostic country.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Dedebanky85: 6:02pm On Apr 01, 2017
Sure Aina seems a necessity, but to assume he'd displace Omeruo on the basis of training with Chelsea is a far cry from the truth. I'm one of the pro-agitators for d foreign burn Nigerians. But I can't do that at the detriment of the existing players. I see people update teams on a daily basis once a new name pops up. Now it's the Era of Tonarugari of Berta Berlin, tomorrow it may be another Academy break out player. I want to access these players in a game before I can start allocating national positions to them. Unfortunately only Rohr can access them in our trainings.


TheGoodJoe:
You missed the fact that Rohr has made his dissatisfaction of his current full back situation public. Also information of Rohr wanting Aina's Nationality sorted out before the next qualifiers indicates Rohr's interest and belief in the Young man.

He is training every day with one of the best right backs in World Football, Victor Moses. There is no guarantee he might start the game but it seems he is a big candidate. Omeruo never looked the ideal choice.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by lexyman(m): 6:03pm On Apr 01, 2017
Kog45:
D boy is good,likely between Onazi or Etebor one need to be on bench coz Rohr cannot do without Mikel or how do u see it Icon4s
Etebor is a work horse , Onazi played like that in Brazil , I don't think any of our Dm can bench Etebor ... Infact he's an utility player put him any where he will function , don't forget that he's got speed , eyes for goal , and he can dribble ....
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by joseph1013: 6:05pm On Apr 01, 2017
TheGoodJoe:
Jamb Question. As I said, the best opportunity should go to the kids with the best talent and Discipline. Book Smart is not a guarantee.
There is nowhere in the world you will get that. Even right now, you don't get it.

What we need to do is to build systems. Systems that will come as close to it as possible. And the best system that will ensure the best balance is the one of education. Football does not last forever anyway. The average career is 10 years. If a player lives to be 70 years and he starts his career at 16, he has more than 40 years to live. So why not start on a foundation of education?
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 6:09pm On Apr 01, 2017
joseph1013:
There is nowhere in the world you will get that. Even right now, you don't get it.

What we need to do is to build systems. Systems that will come as close to it as possible. And the best system that will ensure the best balance is the one of education. Football does not last forever anyway. The average career is 10 years. If a player lives to be 70 years and he starts his career at 16, he has more than 40 years to live. So why not start on a foundation of education?
Until we have the systems in place, we can not start screening out kids from humble beginnings because their parents could not educate them. Football is another way to empower kids out of poverty. Look at Musa Yahaya. Imagine screening him out because he is not book smart and wasting such talent.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by terzurum5(op): 6:10pm On Apr 01, 2017
Victor Moses’s Absence Proves Costly For Chelsea Against Crystal Palace

https://owngoalnigeria.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/image-1.jpg


The absence of high flying Nigerian wing back Victor Moses was well felt by Antonio Conte lead Chelsea as they were loss 1-2 to Crystal Palace at Stamford Bridge.


Moses was ruled out of the game after failing to shake off a calf injury, which saw him skipped Nigeria’s friendly games against Senegal during the international break.


Chelsea struggled without Moses, who has during the course of this season played a big role for Chelsea in defence as well as in attack, especially with teams that sit back and defend in numbers.


Even though Cesc Fabregas gave the leaders thelead early into the game, two quick goals seperated by three minutes from Wilfred Zaha and Christian Benteke gave the relegation fighters a shock 2-1 win at Chelsea.

* Prince Michael

http://owngoalnigeria.com/2017/04/01/victor-mosess-absence-proves-costly-for-chelsea-against-crystal-palace/
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 6:11pm On Apr 01, 2017
Dedebanky85:
Sure Aina seems a necessity, but to assume he'd displace Omeruo on the basis of training with Chelsea is a far cry from the truth. I'm one of the pro-agitators for d foreign burn Nigerians. But I can't do that at the detriment of the existing players. I see people update teams on a daily basis once a new name pops up. Now it's the Era of Tonarugari of Berta Berlin, tomorrow it may be another Academy break out player. I want to access these players in a game before I can start allocating national positions to them. Unfortunately only Rohr can access them in our trainings.
I am one who does not update frequently and training with Moses and Conte is not the only reason for my inclusion of Aina. Rohr's insistence of a quick sorting out of his National standing and Rohr's dissatisfaction in the role is another big reason. Omeruo is definitely not the answer.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by joseph1013: 6:14pm On Apr 01, 2017
TheGoodJoe:
Until we have the systems in place, we can not start screening out kids from humble beginnings because their parents could not educate them. Football is another way to empower kids out of poverty. Look at Musa Yahaya. Imagine screening him out because he is not book smart and wasting such talent.
I can assure you that players better than him have been screened out with this present system of pick and play before. Is our football dead as a result? The said player is not even under contention to play for the Eagles at this time.

We have better odds of getting better talents if academies are made to educate the kids they bring in.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 6:15pm On Apr 01, 2017
goldfish80:
Nobody is suggesting using booksmart to select players. You must not be a straight A student to play football. The criteria should be you must be in school. Let's not kid ourselves education from primary to Junior high is almost free in all the states acrostic country.
Education is free/cheap in most states but Hunger is real. Lots of Families can not afford to allow their kids go to school. Lots of kids are on the streets and Highway Hawking to put food on their tables. Some are in farms. Some in Markets.

We need to curb hunger and Poverty before talking of Children going to school. We have a lot of work to do in this country.

For now, Footie is another escape out of poverty. No need shutting the door on some bright ones.
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