DickDastardly:
Heart Break Team - UNITED

Princefrankie1:
Shitty tactics, United playing like Westbrom or Stoke city. Goal keeper De gea knocks it up to Ibra, he holds up play, plays in Pogba or Herrera, Herrera gives a sideway pass to Valencia and he crosses for Ibra to nod. That's all they do, week in week out. Predictable poo.

After 70 minutes, Ibra fails to score, he brings in Fellaini for more aerial threat and bully. The long ball tactics worsens. Fellaini and Ibra begins to push and shove defenders, until they get their way and squeeze in a goal. That's how they have managed to win the few number of games they have won this season. Lol

smogup:
mourinho has diverted their fans' attention from this truth by making them believe that they are being hunted by the referees and the FA

Princefrankie1:


You are carried brother! That's exactly what he does, and what he is doing. He came up with same "We against the World'' mantra at Real Madrid, Chelsea, and now Manchester United. Yet some fans still buy that BS.

chidi4eze:
and how many trophies did he win in these clubs you mentioned?

Princefrankie1:


You are carried brother! That's exactly what he does, and what he is doing. He came up with same "We against the World'' mantra at Real Madrid, Chelsea, and now Manchester United. Yet some fans still buy that BS.

Princefrankie1:


You are carried brother! That's exactly what he does, and what he is doing. He came up with same "We against the World'' mantra at Real Madrid, Chelsea, and now Manchester United. Yet some fans still buy that BS.

MutantMetahuman:
name one club mourinho has handled that he didn't win atlleast one major trophy for them? Just one o.

he tactics might be getting old but mourinho is still a fantastic coach.

Only few coaches have equal amount of achievement mourinho has in europe. E.g, ancelotti and may be guardiolla for a little bit.

Princefrankie1:


You don't seem to understand. I said he is now old fashioned. Back then, right from Fc Porto, Mourinho set his team out to be a counter attacking side, all they do is sit back, allow the opponent time on the ball, try to close the half spaces to frustrate the opponents transitional play. Then they soak up pressure and hope to win loose balls high up the field and hit you on the counter attack. Go watch the video clips of all his teams. From Porto to Inter Milano. Same tactics.


This method of play sucks the life out of players. That's why his teams are always fatigued during the 3rd season. And that's where the problem starts from in every team he has managed. Go figure!

It worked for him then, but right now, it doesn't. Teams now are better equipped and prepared for such opponents.

Talking about winning trophies in different countries, it's not something exclusive to him. Any good coach can go around the big clubs in Europe, spend millions of pounds on players, and win a trophy or two after 3 years, then leaves to another big club. You don't have to be a fantastic coach to do that.

It's something Carlo has done, it's something Pep has done, it's something Van Gaal has done. What makes you a fantastic coach is overseeing the overhauling of a team, build another from the scratch without breaking the bank and make them winners for a very long time. That's what Pep Guardiola did with Barcelona, and that team dominated Europe for 7 years. That's what Carlo did with The AcMilan of old.

Same with Ferguson, he won the Epl countless times with average players. And he also delivered in Europe. Check Mourinho's teams, whenever he leaves, he leaves behind an already exhausted and overused players.

NB: I never said Jose is a bad coach, No way! Not with all the trophies in his cabinet, I am only saying he is now a DINOSAUR!!

MutantMetahuman:
mourinho built porto team that won champions league


Its not working now, yet he has won league cup and on the verge of winning europa cup, am I missing something?
lol.
So why didn't scolari win trophies at chelsea? Why what about van gaal or moyes win anything at man utd?
Villas boas nko?



But you didn't tell us how mourinho built porto team that won champions league.

You do realize that mourinho won trebble with average inter millans team that crashed immediately he left?

Its always hard to analyze anything when you are biased or sentimental.

When pep started, he built barca, did he replicate such at bayern? He took over a ready made bayern.
Is he building mancity now?
When was the last time ancelotti built a team or any of the top coaches?

Most reputable world class coaches start their carrier by turning average team to formidable team cos established team will never sign a coach without reputation unless he got the job on a temporal basis like a guirdiola.

Mourinho is now a world class coach who doesn't need to be building teams.
He has paid his dues at porto.
The pressure is always on him to perform and win trophies now, not build teams. That's why he sometimes takes out his fraustrations out on players.
man utd brought him in for one thing, Come and win trophies and he is doing that so far.
Whatever tactics he is using is working for him, whether dinosaur or ice age, doesn't matter as long as its working.

He won carlin, he is about to win europa
And top 4 is still mathematically possible.

So what exactly are you talking about?

chidi4eze:
Maybe you should ask the club too how much mourinho's presence and the players he bot has brought to the club..? Mourinho don't guarantee you trophy first season..Judge him second season but manu will qualify for the champions league

chidi4eze:
Maybe you should ask the club too how much mourinho's presence and the players he bot has brought to the club..? Mourinho don't guarantee you trophy first season..Judge him second season but manu will qualify for the champions league

Princefrankie1:


I love the way you made your points constructively. Nice one!

I wouldn't want to delve into much details, let me go straight to your question and make my points as unambiguous as possible.

What I am talking about is, "Is Mourinho doing well at Manchester United right now?

With 6 wins and 9 draws in 16 games at Old Trafford, Manchester United has never been this bad since the premier League era.

They've never won fewer matches in the post-1992 era, not even when they were struggling under Mourinho's two predecessors David Moyes and Louis van Gaal, who has a better overall record than Mourinho after 29 Premier League matches.


So that's my point. UNITED HAS NEVER BEEN THIS TERRIBLE! and who is in charge?

You are talking about a league cup so many big clubs in England sacrificed to lessen the players work load due to lack of squad dept. And that dept is what Mourinho has at Manchester United.

What about the Europa League? You call that a competition of United’s calibre? Is their any team in United’s class in the competition?

Come on man! We are talking about the team with the biggest and costliest squad in the world. And you call winning the League cup a success.

Mind you, United ain't making the top four this season. I can bet anything on that.

MutantMetahuman:
yours aint bad either


You have to consider some things before you judge mourinho's performance.

Mourinho took over a shitty team and it's gonna take him another season to return man utd to the position of title contender.
same thing at chelsea, when he came back, he took over a shitty team, then used the first season to build a team,(build teams in this case means spending huge money to bring in world class players) then win the league in second season.

Man utd stopped performing well even before alex fergusson left. They brought moyes in to build the team (not necessarily to win trophies). Man utd fans who are already used to wining trophies couldn't give him the chance, same as van gaal before bringing in mourinho to satisfy man utd fans thirst for trophies.

One thing has always been the motto of mourinho and that is, it doesn't matter how you do it, just win the trophy.
his football is not always pretty but his trophy cabinet will never stay empty for long.

Trophy is better than performance.

The first season of moyes, any trophy?
First season of van gaal, any trophy?
Piling wins without trophy is not what man utd fans wanted but trophies and so far, he is doing it which makes his performance superior to that of moyes and van gaal.

35 wins zero trophy, who that one help?


By the way europa is a huge trophy. It also involves top teams in europe.
if van gaa or moyes won carlin, you think sa dem go sack them?

Princefrankie1:


You have forgotten LVG won the FA cup few weeks before he was sacked?

And Europa League does not involve top teams in Europe! It involves the failures in Champions League (those eliminated in the group stages) and the middle placed teams in the League. That's not the definition of top.

MutantMetahuman:
well, man utd didn't qualify for champions league which wasn't mourinho fault.
The one they qualified for, he is doing great so far.
And he crashed out of fa cup to a very good chelsea side.

Wining 2 out of 4 trophies, that would be a successful season to some extent don't you think?