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Trump Is About To Find Out Why Obama Avoided Military Intervention In Syria by anonymous6(f): 11:05pm On Apr 08, 2017
"WASHINGTON ― On Thursday night, President Donald Trump authorized the military to launch several dozen cruise missiles from the Mediterranean Sea at a Syrian airfield. The strike was meant to punish Syria’s President Bashar Assad for allegedly using chemical weapons to attack his own citizens.

It was a dramatic reversal, not only from Trump’s own pledges to limit U.S. involvement in Syria but from his predecessor, who for years resisted growing calls to intervene militarily against the Assad regime. President Barack Obama’s decision to refrain from engagement in 2013 was criticized as feckless at the time and is cited now as one of the reasons that Trump was forced to act. But a revisiting of the arguments and calculations that led Obama to make his decision ― from the fear that it would not be a deterrent to the concerns over how the U.S. would respond to future attacks on civilians ― provides an important blueprint for the major hurdles that Trump will now have to confront.

Even if the Assad regime stops using chemical weapons, it will continue to pummel civilians with barrel bombs, predicted Ilan Goldenberg, a former State Department official during the Obama administration. “You’ll see many more pictures of ‘beautiful [Syrian] babies’ [dying] on TV ― specifically to humiliate the United States and show the fecklessness of military action,” he said.

“What will the United States do? Will it get drawn in the way it did in Libya where we started with a civilian protection operation and ended up with a regime change operation?” Goldenberg continued. “This is the biggest danger and I think this was Obama’s biggest concern.”

The Obama administration resisted getting pulled into the Syrian civil war, which began during the Arab Spring protests in 2011. But in August 2013, a sarin gas attack allegedly carried out by the Assad regime killed 1,400 Syrians. It was a humanitarian catastrophe and a clear challenge to Obama’s self-imposed “red line” against the use of chemical weapons, which he laid out the previous year. At first, Obama appeared poised to respond quickly with limited airstrikes ― a variation of what Trump did on Thursday. Three days after the 2013 chemical weapons attack, the U.S. sent armed warships into the eastern Mediterranean Sea and the military drew up attack plans.

But Obama never ordered the military to strike. In the days following the 2013 gas attack, the administration attempted to drum up international and domestic support for a retaliatory response. Obama had hoped for a coordinated response with an ally, but the British Parliament voted down the United Kingdom’s participation. Their vote raised the specter of whether Obama, as well, would allow his government’s legislative branch to have a say. After a 45-minute walk around the South Lawn of the White House with his chief-of-staff, he announced that he would ask for congressional approval ― even as he maintained that he had the authority to order the strike without consulting lawmakers.

By that point, however, it was becoming clearer that the American public, still reeling from drawn-out wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and an ill-fated intervention in Libya, opposed the move. Lawmakers said they were inundated with calls from constituents urging them to vote against military action. After weeks of deliberation, it was unclear if Obama could get enough votes from Congress. By the time all the views within the administration had filtered up to Obama, he had heard passionate cases both for and against intervention, said Perry Cammack, a staffer for then-Secretary of State John Kerry, at the time. And then, in what appeared to be an-off-the-cuff rhetorical remark, Kerry told reporters the only way for Assad to avoid military action was to turn over his chemical weapons stockpile to the international community within a week. “But he isn’t about to do it and it can’t be done,” Kerry said.

Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov jumped at the narrow opportunity. Five days later ― Washington and Moscow announced a deal in which Syria would do what Kerry had almost jokingly proposed. Obama called off the military strike.
In the years since, even some of Obama’s most strident supporters questioned whether this was the right call. Backing down, they said, damaged U.S. credibility and strengthened Assad’s sense of impunity. But even as the civilian death toll in Syria mounted, Obama maintained that he’d acted prudently. A limited strike would have no practical effect on the Assad regime ― and surviving an attack from the U.S. risked emboldening rather than deterring the dictator, his camp argued. Obama also worried about starting down the slippery slope to deeper involvement in another quagmire in the Middle East.

Whereas Obama has been faulted for overthinking matters to the point of crippling inaction, critics of the current president say his weakness is his apparent lack of interest in planning. “I have no confidence these guys have any plan whatsoever,” Goldenberg said.

Moreover, all of the concerns that made the Obama administration second-guess military action in Syria are still relevant today. If anything, the situation there is messier now than in 2013. The Islamic State militant group controls parts of Syria and Iraq. The U.S. air war against the group depends, in large part on Syria staying out of the way. Meanwhile, Russia has entered the Syrian civil war as a staunch defender of the Assad regime, providing air support to the embattled dictator. The crowded airspace is managed by a fragile deconfliction pact between the U.S. and Russia.

Trump seemed to recognize these complications too ― both during the 2013 debate when he strongly advised the U.S. not to engage in Syria and the presidential campaign when he warned that involvement would precipitate World War III. But in a span of a news cycle, his tune changed this week. During his daily intelligence briefing on the day of the attack, he asked for military options, White House Press Secretary Sean Spicer told reporters. Two days later, he had settled on an option and ordered the military to move forward. His administration notified foreign allies and congressional leadership after the missiles were launched, minutes before they hit their targets.

The haste with which Trump acted stands in contrast to the weeks of deliberation culminating in a decision not to strike in 2013. Cammack, the former Kerry staffer, described it as “a reflection of the temperaments of the two presidents.”

But it also allowed Trump to avoid a pitfall that ensnared his predecessor. By moving swiftly, the president earned plaudits from lawmakers and pundits ― some of whom swooned over the images that the military had released of the damage to the Syrian airfield. Even those who have accused Trump of being unhinged in the past praised the strikes as a decisive and proportionate response to Assad’s use of chemical weapons. That might be because the U.S. was already regularly dropping bombs in Syria against ISIS, making the public somewhat desensitized to further military action there.

But it also could be because by skipping the deliberative process that the Obama administration so meticulously engaged in, the Trump administration didn’t give the public time to sour on the idea.
And yet, the speed with which Trump flipped positions and ordered military action based on his newfound distaste for the Assad regime risks doing exactly what Obama feared in 2013: sparking a series of unforeseen consequences. It is unclear whether the strikes will have any meaningful impact on the Assad regime. Hours after the U.S. attack, Reuters reported that Syrian warplanes took off from the base hit by American cruise missiles. On Friday and Saturday, Khan Sheikhoun, the opposition-held site of the chemical weapons attack earlier in the week, was hit by more airstrikes.

“I’m worried about whether they did enough of their homework given how quickly decisions were made,” said Eric Pelofsky, a former National Security Council official in the Obama administration. “ What happens if the Assad regime targets our aircraft as they are continuing to prosecute the war on ISIS inside Syrian airspace? Are we prepared to take down their air defenses ― and for the consequences of doing that?” continued Pelofsky, who is now a fellow at the Washington Institute for Near East Policy.

Even some who criticized Obama’s inaction worried that Trump’s impulsive decision-making process could backfire. “Horrible as the Khan Sheikhoun attack was, the Assad government has used chemical weapons dozens and dozens of times, and has committed numerous other war crimes,” Kori Schake, a former Bush administration official, wrote Friday. “The indiscipline that has characterized the Trump’s actions may lead him to emotional reactions without corresponding strategy.”
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/obama-2013-syria-trump-strike_us_58e8f930e4b00de14103d8f4

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Re: Trump Is About To Find Out Why Obama Avoided Military Intervention In Syria by GloriaNinja(f): 11:06pm On Apr 08, 2017
OBAMA WAS A HYPOCRITE
Re: Trump Is About To Find Out Why Obama Avoided Military Intervention In Syria by anonymous6(f): 11:20pm On Apr 08, 2017
GloriaNinja:
OBAMA WAS A HYPOCRITE

How so?
Re: Trump Is About To Find Out Why Obama Avoided Military Intervention In Syria by anonymous6(f): 11:43pm On Apr 08, 2017
Re: Trump Is About To Find Out Why Obama Avoided Military Intervention In Syria by Lucasbalo(m): 12:37am On Apr 09, 2017
GloriaNinja:
OBAMA WAS A HYPOCRITE
Isn't funny for people thousands of miles away wanting America to go to war. Americans don't want any more war and they let Obama know about that. How is he an Hypocrite when he followed Americans wishes. The only hypocrite here is clueless trump who was shouting America first during the election campaign and now bombing Syria.
Re: Trump Is About To Find Out Why Obama Avoided Military Intervention In Syria by Lucasbalo(m): 12:39am On Apr 09, 2017
GloriaNinja:
OBAMA WAS A HYPOCRITE
Isn't funny for people thousands of miles away wanting America to go to war. Americans don't want any more war and they let Obama know about that. How is he an Hypocrite when he followed Americans wishes. The only hypocrite here is clueless trump who was shouting America first during the election campaign and now bombing Syria. Even the video you posted showed that the useless trump is a bold face liar for doing what he was telling Obama not to do.

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Re: Trump Is About To Find Out Why Obama Avoided Military Intervention In Syria by birdman(m): 12:50am On Apr 09, 2017
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Exactly what Im thinking. I think he did this to get spotlight off the Russian probe. But, oh boy, I feel sorry for the innocent lives that will be lost by the time all this bickering is over

I have to give Obama credit here. Sure, he failed on his word to hit Assad when he crossed the line, but it looked like Obama would rather lose some pride than engage in what could easily turn into a world war.
Re: Trump Is About To Find Out Why Obama Avoided Military Intervention In Syria by ikp120(m): 5:50am On Apr 09, 2017
GloriaNinja:
OBAMA WAS A HYPOCRITE
It's actually Trump that is the hypocrite here. Obama was very calculated. If Russia get involved in this matter as e dey hot so, it fit end in World War III o. To worsen the whole thing, Trump banned Syrians from entering US and now he don dey fire catapult into their territory like say he cares. Just negodu sad sad sad sad
Syria didn't even attack US sef. I just hope that crazy Assad or Putin no go fire chemical weapon into US in retaliation.

The truth is that Trump is a hyper-egomaniac and does things most times to show everybody say he be the boss. The first day I listened to Trump on TV, I saw a guy with a dangerous level of ego and ignorance.

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Re: Trump Is About To Find Out Why Obama Avoided Military Intervention In Syria by bookface: 5:53pm On Apr 09, 2017
ikp120:

It's actually Trump that is the hypocrite here. Obama was very calculated. If Russia get involved in this matter as e dey hot so, it fit end in World War III o. To worsen the whole thing, Trump banned Syrians from entering US and now he don dey fire catapult into their territory like say he cares. Just negodu sad sad sad sad
Syria didn't even attack US sef. I just hope that crazy Assad or Putin no go fire chemical weapon into US in retaliation.

The truth is that Trump is a hyper-egomaniac and does things most times to show everybody say he be the boss. The first day I listened to Trump on TV, I saw a guy with a dangerous level of ego and ignorance.


Putin is also egomaniac.


What you don't understand is this - Russia is only good at posturing. Putin is not willing to go to war unless Russia itself comes under threat, or if it's a fight that he knows Russia can win e.g Ukraine and Georgia.

When Turkey shot down Russian jet, what happened? A lot of noise, a lot of posturing - move ships around, missile defence.. and nothing! -
The Israel went into Syria with impunity and what happened? A lot of noise, a lot of warning - nothing.

Similarly, in this case, Russia will posture, maybe move a few warships around, but what Putin is really afraid of is someone who is willing to call his bluff. Trump has shown that he is willing to call anybody's bluff.

Let's say tomorrow, there's another chemical weapons attack in Syria, and Trump sends in another wave of missiles, what do you really think Putin will do? Strike American ships? Nope, the dude is not stupid! There will only be more noise, more posturing. He might even do something to negatively affect US interest somewhere else, but he is not going to go to war. War cost money, and it cost lives and the outcome is unpredictable, you don't start one unless you are fighting somewhere with inferior capabilities. Putin knows this. Russia has significant miliatry capabilities, but he knows that at best those capabilities are on par with US...or in reality, inferior to the US.

But Putin is good at spotting weaknesses. He knew that Obama doesn't have guts to take military action, so he did whatever he liked...but Trump, on the other hand is totally unpredictable.

What is actually funny is that Hilary may have been much better for Russia than Trump. Simply because Hilary is predictable and she's likely to be more cautious. Trump on the other hand is emotional.

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Re: Trump Is About To Find Out Why Obama Avoided Military Intervention In Syria by ikp120(m): 6:52pm On Apr 09, 2017
bookface:



Putin is also egomaniac.


What you don't understand is this - Russia is only good at posturing. Putin is not willing to go to war unless Russia itself comes under threat, or if it's a fight that he knows Russia can win e.g Ukraine and Georgia.

When Turkey shot down Russian jet, what happened? A lot of noise, a lot of posturing - move ships around, missile defence.. and nothing! -
The Israel went into Syria with impunity and what happened? A lot of noise, a lot of warning - nothing.

Similarly, in this case, Russia will posture, maybe move a few warships around, but what Putin is really afraid of is someone who is willing to call his bluff. Trump has shown that he is willing to call anybody's bluff.

Let's say tomorrow, there's another chemical weapons attack in Syria, and Trump sends in another wave of missiles, what do you really think Putin will do? Strike American ships? Nope, the dude is not stupid! There will only be more noise, more posturing. He might even do something to negatively affect US interest somewhere else, but he is not going to go to war. War cost money, and it cost lives and the outcome is unpredictable, you don't start one unless you are fighting somewhere with inferior capabilities. Putin knows this. Russia has significant miliatry capabilities, but he knows that at best those capabilities are on par with US...or in reality, inferior to the US.

But Putin is good at spotting weaknesses. He knew that Obama doesn't have guts to take military action, so he did whatever he liked...but Trump, on the other hand is totally unpredictable.

What is actually funny is that Hilary may have been much better for Russia than Trump. Simply because Hilary is predictable and she's likely to be more cautious. Trump on the other hand is emotional.



You're right. But that means that there's a very high likelihood of a clash of the two big guys. You know what that one will result in na: the most feared thing in human history: WW III.

Putin himself is one assholish dictator just like Assad but more dangerous and ruthless.
Re: Trump Is About To Find Out Why Obama Avoided Military Intervention In Syria by anonymous6(f): 1:36am On Apr 15, 2017
birdman:


Exactly what Im thinking. I think he did this to get spotlight off the Russian probe. But, oh boy, I feel sorry for the innocent lives that will be lost by the time all this bickering is over

I have to give Obama credit here. Sure, he failed on his word to hit Assad when he crossed the line, but it looked like Obama would rather lose some pride than engage in what could easily turn into a world war.

So true, Obama didn't want any more drama added to the drama he was dealing with, so two thumbs up for him, plus people forget Obama promised that during his presidency he will not start another war and he kept that promise, especially since Iraq and Afghanistan is still a current issue.
Re: Trump Is About To Find Out Why Obama Avoided Military Intervention In Syria by juman(m): 7:43am On Apr 17, 2017
Trump is obviously confused on syria.

He should rather work towards ending the war in that country.
Re: Trump Is About To Find Out Why Obama Avoided Military Intervention In Syria by scully95: 9:11am On Apr 17, 2017
anonymous6:
"[s]WASHINGTON ― On Thursday night, President Donald Trump authorized the military to launch several dozen cruise missiles from the Mediterranean Sea at a Syrian airfield. The strike was meant to punish Syria’s President Bashar Assad for allegedly using chemical weapons to attack his own citizens.

It was a dramatic reversal, not only from Trump’s own pledges to limit U.S. involvement in Syria but from his predecessor, who for years resisted growing calls to intervene militarily against the Assad regime. President Barack Obama’s decision to refrain from engagement in 2013 was criticized as feckless at the time and is cited now as one of the reasons that Trump was forced to act. But a revisiting of the arguments and calculations that led Obama to make his decision ― from the fear that it would not be a deterrent to the concerns over how the U.S. would respond to future attacks on civilians ― provides an important blueprint for the major hurdles that Trump will now have to confront.

Even if the Assad regime stops using chemical weapons, it will continue to pummel civilians with barrel bombs, predicted Ilan Goldenberg, a former State Department official during the Obama administration. “You’ll see many more pictures of ‘beautiful [Syrian] babies’ [dying] on TV ― specifically to humiliate the United States and show the fecklessness of military action,” he said.

“What will the United States do? Will it get drawn in the way it did in Libya where we started with a civilian protection operation and ended up with a regime change operation?” Goldenberg continued. “This is the biggest danger and I think this was Obama’s biggest concern.”

The Obama administration resisted getting pulled into the Syrian civil war, which began during the Arab Spring protests in 2011. But in August 2013, a sarin gas attack allegedly carried out by the Assad regime killed 1,400 Syrians. It was a humanitarian catastrophe and a clear challenge to Obama’s self-imposed “red line” against the use of chemical weapons, which he laid out the previous year. At first, Obama appeared poised to respond quickly with limited airstrikes ― a variation of what Trump did on Thursday. Three days after the 2013 chemical weapons attack, the U.S. sent armed warships into the eastern Mediterranean Sea and the military drew up attack plans.

But Obama never ordered the military to strike. In the days following the 2013 gas attack, the administration attempted to drum up international and domestic support for a retaliatory response. Obama had hoped for a coordinated response with an ally, but the British Parliament voted down the United Kingdom’s participation. Their vote raised the specter of whether Obama, as well, would allow his government’s legislative branch to have a say. After a 45-minute walk around the South Lawn of the White House with his chief-of-staff, he announced that he would ask for congressional approval ― even as he maintained that he had the authority to order the strike without consulting lawmakers.

By that point, however, it was becoming clearer that the American public, still reeling from drawn-out wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and an ill-fated intervention in Libya, opposed the move. Lawmakers said they were inundated with calls from constituents urging them to vote against military action. After weeks of deliberation, it was unclear if Obama could get enough votes from Congress. By the time all the views within the administration had filtered up to Obama, he had heard passionate cases both for and against intervention, said Perry Cammack, a staffer for then-Secretary of State John Kerry, at the time. And then, in what appeared to be an-off-the-cuff rhetorical remark, Kerry told reporters the only way for Assad to avoid military action was to turn over his chemical weapons stockpile to the international community within a week. “But he isn’t about to do it and it can’t be done,” Kerry said.

Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov jumped at the narrow opportunity. Five days later ― Washington and Moscow announced a deal in which Syria would do what Kerry had almost jokingly proposed. Obama called off the military strike.
In the years since, even some of Obama’s most strident supporters questioned whether this was the right call. Backing down, they said, damaged U.S. credibility and strengthened Assad’s sense of impunity. But even as the civilian death toll in Syria mounted, Obama maintained that he’d acted prudently. A limited strike would have no practical effect on the Assad regime ― and surviving an attack from the U.S. risked emboldening rather than deterring the dictator, his camp argued. Obama also worried about starting down the slippery slope to deeper involvement in another quagmire in the Middle East.

Whereas Obama has been faulted for overthinking matters to the point of crippling inaction, critics of the current president say his weakness is his apparent lack of interest in planning. “I have no confidence these guys have any plan whatsoever,” Goldenberg said.

Moreover, all of the concerns that made the Obama administration second-guess military action in Syria are still relevant today. If anything, the situation there is messier now than in 2013. The Islamic State militant group controls parts of Syria and Iraq. The U.S. air war against the group depends, in large part on Syria staying out of the way. Meanwhile, Russia has entered the Syrian civil war as a staunch defender of the Assad regime, providing air support to the embattled dictator. The crowded airspace is managed by a fragile deconfliction pact between the U.S. and Russia.

Trump seemed to recognize these complications too ― both during the 2013 debate when he strongly advised the U.S. not to engage in Syria and the presidential campaign when he warned that involvement would precipitate World War III. But in a span of a news cycle, his tune changed this week. During his daily intelligence briefing on the day of the attack, he asked for military options, White House Press Secretary Sean Spicer told reporters. Two days later, he had settled on an option and ordered the military to move forward. His administration notified foreign allies and congressional leadership after the missiles were launched, minutes before they hit their targets.

The haste with which Trump acted stands in contrast to the weeks of deliberation culminating in a decision not to strike in 2013. Cammack, the former Kerry staffer, described it as “a reflection of the temperaments of the two presidents.”

But it also allowed Trump to avoid a pitfall that ensnared his predecessor. By moving swiftly, the president earned plaudits from lawmakers and pundits ― some of whom swooned over the images that the military had released of the damage to the Syrian airfield. Even those who have accused Trump of being unhinged in the past praised the strikes as a decisive and proportionate response to Assad’s use of chemical weapons. That might be because the U.S. was already regularly dropping bombs in Syria against ISIS, making the public somewhat desensitized to further military action there.

But it also could be because by skipping the deliberative process that the Obama administration so meticulously engaged in, the Trump administration didn’t give the public time to sour on the idea.
And yet, the speed with which Trump flipped positions and ordered military action based on his newfound distaste for the Assad regime risks doing exactly what Obama feared in 2013: sparking a series of unforeseen consequences. It is unclear whether the strikes will have any meaningful impact on the Assad regime. Hours after the U.S. attack, Reuters reported that Syrian warplanes took off from the base hit by American cruise missiles. On Friday and Saturday, Khan Sheikhoun, the opposition-held site of the chemical weapons attack earlier in the week, was hit by more airstrikes.

“I’m worried about whether they did enough of their homework given how quickly decisions were made,” said Eric Pelofsky, a former National Security Council official in the Obama administration. “ What happens if the Assad regime targets our aircraft as they are continuing to prosecute the war on ISIS inside Syrian airspace? Are we prepared to take down their air defenses ― and for the consequences of doing that?” continued Pelofsky, who is now a fellow at the Washington Institute for Near East Policy.

Even some who criticized Obama’s inaction worried that Trump’s impulsive decision-making process could backfire. “Horrible as the Khan Sheikhoun attack was, the Assad government has used chemical weapons dozens and dozens of times, and has committed numerous other war crimes,” Kori Schake, a former Bush administration official, wrote Friday. “The indiscipline that has characterized the Trump’s actions may lead him to emotional reactions without corresponding strategy.”
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/obama-2013-syria-trump-strike_us_58e8f930e4b00de14103d8f4[/s]

All these foolish propaganda post. Washingtonpost should do everyone a favour, pls change it to PropagandaPost. Rubbish, who invited Americunts to bomb anything in Syrian Airspace ? If Syrian Government starts shooting all the planes in its territory, which it has every right to do. That will carry us back to Donbass war. This is a tested one in Ukraine and the result is nothing flies over there. So Obama did the right thing cos nothing will fly by the time they get to that stage and when nothing flies. The simple truth is Americunt Soldiers cannot fight without aircover.

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Re: Trump Is About To Find Out Why Obama Avoided Military Intervention In Syria by kinibigdeal(m): 4:12pm On Apr 17, 2017
Lucasbalo:
Isn't funny for people thousands of miles away wanting America to go to war. Americans don't want any more war and they let Obama know about that. How is he an Hypocrite when he followed Americans wishes. The only hypocrite here is clueless trump who was shouting America first during the election campaign and now bombing Syria.

The policies of republican had always been aggressive solution, it is far beyond Trump. Trump have not done anything bad so far

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