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Humans can do whatever we want, there just has to be enough consensis and a willingness to deal with the consequences. With that said I do not agree with cloning. Why?

Cloning assumes that someone you clone is an (ideal human). What happens when you discover a flaw? You have to find a new (ideal human) and your old (ideal human) is discarded. Also, human behavior cannot be cloned so your (ideal human) would also have to be trained in a flawless environment.

Lets assume that we want to clone someone that has died. We already see a lot of stupid people wanting to do that with their pets. You can train a dog but you cannot train a human to be just like the one you knew. That cloned person will grow to resent you because he/she wants to be their own person but all you keep reminding them of is someone who has died.

Cloning basically means creating a genetically identical copy of an organism/organ. Now that we've gotten that out of the way, let's tackle the bone of contention.

Cloning a full human would be senseless because it serves no purpose whatsoever. It's all talk and projections, nothing concrete has been done.
I challenge anyone to list the benefits of human cloning here

Cloning human organs however, is an exciting prospect because organ transplants would be as easy as having a CS or appendectomy done. There won't be any case of transplant/organ rejection whatsoever because the transplanted organ is genetically identical to the recipient, OJB Jezreel would have been alive today, Prince James Uche would have been alive today.

Sadly, it's still all talk because nothing tangible has been done.

The prospects and future of cloning looks exciting.

All the opposition against cloning has mostly been from religion, which makes you wonder.
For now, we have to make do with stem cell therapy.

CatfishBilly:
Cloning basically means creating a genetically identical copy of an organism/organ. Now that we've gotten that out of the way, let's tackle the bone of contention.

Cloning a full human would be senseless because it serves no purpose whatsoever.

The etiology of some disease are now tied to gene. If we have a cloned human, on whom genetic therapy can be administered, I'm of the opinion that, this can provide a hopeful means of finding cure.

akintom:
The etiology of some disease are now tied to gene. If we have a cloned human, on whom genetic therapy can be administered, I'm of the opinion that, this can provide a hopeful means of finding cure.

Gene therapy and cloning are 2 different things.
In gene therapy, you find a defective gene, get a functioning copy of that gene from somewhere else, implant it into a retrovirus then the retrovirus is directed to a particular loci of the gene to add this new copy of gene.

CatfishBilly:
Gene therapy and cloning are 2 different things.
In gene therapy, you find a defective gene, get a functioning copy of that gene from somewhere else, implant it into a retrovirus then the retrovirus is directed to a particular loci of the gene to add this new copy of gene.

The question of sameness didn't arise in my earlier post. Cloning can give us human being. I simply opined that such cloned humans may be used for gene therapy. Since the possibility of mutation isn't what one will want to gamble with, in biological humans.

akintom:
The question of sameness didn't arise in my earlier post. Cloning can give us human being. I simply opined that such cloned humans may be used for gene therapy. Since the possibility of mutation isn't what one will want to gamble with, in biological humans.

Cloning a human for gene therapy is redundant, it serves no purpose.
The gene that wants to be replaced is already defective, a functional copy of that gene is readily available from donors and there won't really be immune reaction to it, it's like using $1 million dollars to solve a problem that could be solved with $20 dollars, it's not cost effective.
As for mutation, cloning is a copy of human gene, that means any defects that a human gene is susceptible to will also affect the cloned gene including mutation.
Dolly the sheep the first cloned mammal died due to suspected accelerated aging due to it being cloned.

zionmade:
Pardon me for my choice of words. But i classify dem under robots because they cant be classified as humans.

what do you mean they are not humans?

CatfishBilly:
Cloning a human for gene therapy is redundant, it serves no purpose.
The gene that wants to be replaced is already defective, a functional copy of that gene is readily available from donors and there won't really be immune reaction to it, it's like using $1 million dollars to solve a problem that could be solved with $20 dollars, it's not cost effective.
As for mutation, cloning is a copy of human gene, that means any defects that a human gene is susceptible to will also affect the cloned gene including mutation.
Dolly the sheep the first cloned mammal died due to suspected accelerated aging due to it being cloned.

May be i should use research in gene therapy. Research into why two different patients, with similar nature of cva and other vitals, responded differently to the same line of management, and genetic difference was implicated in the treatment outcome.

I'm of the thinking that, both clients can be cloned and studied for the purpose of understanding a less risky genetic tampering.

Edenoscar:
what do you mean they are not humans?

Until otherwise proven. They are not humans they are just ideas Human cloning is still in d fiction State so simply.

zionmade:
Until otherwise proven. They are not humans they are just ideas
Human cloning is still in d fiction State so simply.

LOL you funny o-o.

Camel cloned,.
Rat cloned
Sheep cloned

What haven't been cloned?
You need to educate yourself better on cloning

adepeter26:
LOL you funny o-o.

Camel cloned,.
Rat cloned
Sheep cloned

What haven't been cloned?
You need to educate yourself better on cloning

Mr know all, we are talking of human cloning here. Where u cloned? Or were u told dat a human has been successfully cloned

zionmade:
Mr know all, we are talking of human cloning here.

ME? Argue with you? Fvcking no.
But I suggest you read about human cloning online before spewing trash.
As for humans been cloned, it's not gonna be a big deal, moreover, a cloned human embryo was destroyed after twelve days.

Where u cloned? Or were u told dat a human has been successfully cloned

I wasn't cloned but successful attempts have been achieved in cloning other creatures. BTW, collection of people frown at human cloning and that's my main purpose of creating this thread, so we air our opinions. (pros & cons)

CatfishBilly:
Cloning basically means creating a genetically identical copy of an organism/organ. Now that we've gotten that out of the way, let's tackle the bone of contention.

Cloning a full human would be senseless because it serves no purpose whatsoever. It's all talk and projections, nothing concrete has been done.
I challenge anyone to list the benefits of human cloning here

Cloning human organs however, is an exciting prospect because organ transplants would be as easy as having a CS or appendectomy done. There won't be any case of transplant/organ rejection whatsoever because the transplanted organ is genetically identical to the recipient, OJB Jezreel would have been alive today, Prince James Uche would have been alive today.

Sadly, it's still all talk because nothing tangible has been done.

The prospects and future of cloning looks exciting.

All the opposition against cloning has mostly been from religion, which makes you wonder.
For now, we have to make do with stem cell therapy.

Hehehe! So how's your opinion different from others?You oppose humans cloning just as others did also?

Why were you showing off earlier?

adepeter26:
ME? Argue with you? Fvcking no.
But I suggest you read about human cloning online before spewing trash.
As for humans been cloned, it's not gonna be a big deal, moreover, a cloned human embryo was destroyed after twelve days.

I wasn't cloned but successful attempts have been achieved in cloning other creatures. BTW, collection of people frown at human cloning and that's my main purpose of creating this thread, so we air our opinions. (pros & cons)

I know about cloning of plants and lower animals but i guess dat is not ur topic here.u were talking of human cloning and i told u its still a fiction until a successful human has been cloned. What exactly did i miss out here
I am someone dat loves to freestyle my language. I dnt really fancy using biological lexis. It doesn't make me ignorant

zionmade:
I know about cloning of plants and lower animals but i guess dat is not ur topic here.u were talking of human cloning and i told u its still a fiction until a successful human has been cloned. What exactly did i miss out here
I am someone dat loves to freestyle my language. I dnt really fancy using biological lexis. It doesn't make me ignorant

For us to be on same frequency, I won't say you're missing point(s) but I'm trying to make you understand that, human cloning attempt was made and due to reasons unknown to me (due to my restricted knowledge), it was cancelled.

Now, go back to comments of many peeps(ifene*s, ftechclas*s, catfishbill*y) on this thread, you may get an insight as to why human cloning isn't in play currently

luvmijeje:
Hehehe! So how's your opinion different from others?You oppose humans cloning just as others did also?

Why were you showing off earlier?

I don't oppose human cloning.
I'm just saying that it is not needed for now.
There might be need for it in the future.

adepeter26:
For us to be on same frequency, I won't say you're missing point(s) but I'm trying to make you understand that, human cloning attempt was made and due to reasons unknown to me (due to my restricted knowledge), it was cancelled.

Now, go back to comments of many peeps(ifene*s, ftechclas*s, catfishbill*y) on this thread, you may get an insight as to why human cloning isn't in play currently

This is my own reason why cloning wont be approved.
Wen a human is cloned, that is in line with genetic engineering. Now a human is a complex system and one feature of a complex system is "anomalies". Which can hardly be prevented in cloning. A cloned human would be welcomed into d human world with his human rights and priviledges, but wen this anomaly happens which is likely to occur in d person's 2nd generation, we will have a human who d best way to end his miserable state is by mercy killing and dis is quite extreme.
So in short am saying dat cloning will create a painful anomaly which can only be stopped by killing d specie

zionmade:
This is my own reason why cloning wont be approved.
Wen a human is cloned, that is in line with genetic engineering. Now a human is a complex system and one feature of a complex system is "anomalies". Which can hardly be prevented in cloning. A cloned human would be welcomed into d human world with his human rights and priviledges, but wen this anomaly happens which is likely to occur in d person's 2nd generation, we will have a human who d best way to end his miserable state is by mercy killing and dis is quite extreme.
So in short am saying dat cloning will create a painful anomaly which can only be stopped by killing d specie

Now you're talking and giving reasons. Seems we're all on same frequency as to why human cloning isn't the best option currently due to transfer of abnormal genes from the original to its twin

akintom:
May be i should use research in gene therapy. Research into why two different patients, with similar nature of cva and other vitals, responded differently to the same line of management, and genetic difference was implicated in the treatment outcome.

I'm of the thinking that, both clients can be cloned and studied for the purpose of understanding a less risky genetic tampering.

No two CVAs are exactly alike. There'll be different percentage of blood vessel occlusion, the surface area of brain tissue involved, the amount of neurons involved, how quick resuscitative measures were started, how soon physiotherapy was started and the patients' will to recover.
Some peculiarities in genes though might affect how some individuals metabolize drugs or how quickly the damaged neurons regenerate.

CatfishBilly:
I don't oppose human cloning.
I'm just saying that it is not needed for now.
There might be need for it in the future.

@bold, I agree with you on that as well

zionmade:
This is my own reason why cloning wont be approved.
Wen a human is cloned, that is in line with genetic engineering. Now a human is a complex system and one feature of a complex system is "anomalies". Which can hardly be prevented in cloning. A cloned human would be welcomed into d human world with his human rights and priviledges, but wen this anomaly happens which is likely to occur in d person's 2nd generation, we will have a human who d best way to end his miserable state is by mercy killing and dis is quite extreme.
So in short am saying dat cloning will create a painful anomaly which can only be stopped by killing d specie

Abnormal genes could theoretically be removed and normal ones added in it's place
It is already being done with 3 person babies and gene therapy, why not with cloning?

zionmade:
Until otherwise proven. They are not humans they are just ideas
Human cloning is still in d fiction State so simply.

I dont think clones are fiction anymore,you need to forget about all those sci fi movies you watch because significant progress in research has been made although there are some hiccups but it's gonna happen sooner than you think.

CatfishBilly:
No two CVAs are exactly alike..

It appears you didn't understand my post. I spoke of research setting, whereby two patients with similar cva in NATURE (type of cva and area of affectation).

Whatever difference in this nature, will definitely be inconsequential, as to be an extraneous factors, in the research outcomes.

Intervention was also coordinated, according to the research design.

akintom:
It appears you didn't understand my post. I spoke of research setting, whereby two patients with similar cva in NATURE (type of cva and area of affectation).

Whatever difference in this nature, will definitely be inconsequential, as to be an extraneous factors, in the research outcomes.

Intervention was also coordinated, according to the research design.

Okay, I get you now.
So, what was the conclusion?
Specific genes were responsible for the different outcomes?

Edenoscar:
I dont think clones are fiction anymore,you need to forget about all those sci fi movies you watch because significant progress in research has been made although there are some hiccups but it's gonna happen sooner than you think.

Point of correction i dnt watch movies.
Another point of correction human cloning is never a reality and will hardly come to pass. Not because its not possible but because anything dat can alter a human genetics is a potential deadly weapon. Example is killing cancer using a nanobot programmed to distinguish between a cancerous cell and a human cell, though d technology is proven to be Effective yet it is not yet implemented because it can be d most deadly weapon on earth.
A person who can produce a specially engineered human can also programme dat human to enter into a crowd and open fire.
Stop looking at christians as enemies to science or ignorant in scientific developments.

CatfishBilly:
Abnormal genes could theoretically be removed and normal ones added in it's place
It is already being done with 3 person babies and gene therapy, why not with cloning?

And d cycle would continue. Once a chain reaction is triggered a correction would trigger another anomaly. Bro in near years to come, anomalies rising from all these alterations of nature would start showing up.

Where is lalasticala sef... Move this thread to FRONTPAGE naw àbí is it because there is no cleavage exposure or snake pictures?

zionmade:
And d cycle would continue. Once a chain reaction is triggered a correction would trigger another anomaly. Bro in near years to come, anomalies rising from all these alterations of nature would start showing up.

A correction won't trigger another anomaly, that's not how it works.
Or do you have anything to back up your position?

zionmade:
Point of correction i dnt watch movies.
Another point of correction human cloning is never a reality and will hardly come to pass. Not because its not possible but because anything dat can alter a human genetics is a potential deadly weapon. Example is killing cancer using a nanobot programmed to distinguish between a cancerous cell and a human cell, though d technology is proven to be Effective yet it is not yet implemented because it can be d most deadly weapon on earth.
A person who can produce a specially engineered human can also programme dat human to enter into a crowd and open fire.
Stop looking at christians as enemies to science or ignorant in scientific developments.

You are now talking like a sci fi enthusiast.
Cloning doesn't generate psychopathic behavior. You are talking about this programming as if it's a computer where you'll write some lines of code to change things.
The cloned human is given birth to and then raised to adulthood. The rules of nature vs nurture comes to play.
If the human was cloned from a psychopath, of course, it will exhibit psychopathic behavior, if not, it won't.

[quote=catfishbilly]When you guys are ready, I'll join.
Nothing scientific in the comments, just
people bringing their religious bias and
ideas they got from movies to something as
beautiful as cloning.
When y'all are ready, I'll make my contributions.[/quote]My lecturer(medical law) -who is so intelligent- make this kind of arguement. His arguement against stem cell research and cloning stuff hinges on his religious belief (he is a Catholic). I will like to learn from an irreligious mind.

Certitude:
When you guys are ready, I'll join.
Nothing scientific in the comments, just
people bringing their religious bias and
ideas they got from movies to something as
beautiful as cloning.
When y'all are ready, I'll make my contributions.
My lecturer(medical law) -who is so intelligent- make this kind of arguement. His arguement against stem cell research and cloning stuff hinges on his religious belief (he is a Catholic). I will like to learn from an irreligious mind.

Some irreligious minds like myself and Ife nes, akin.tom have contributed, feel free to read them

CatfishBilly:
Some irreligious minds like myself and Ife nes, akin.tom have contributed, feel free to read them

right.