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sbashir10:
University of Nigeria.
or university of igbo's, what do you expect when their admission is characterized by ethnic bigotry and sentiments, you'll hardly finds any tribe other than igbos in this so called UNN.....
and they end up calling Nigeria a Zoo.
quote me make thunder from Zimbabwe fire your left yans... h

i doubt if you think from your senses. You are the one filled with bigotry and tribalism.
Who told you OAU has a fair admission process also I have friends who had had above their required cut off mark during the period of post ume but weren't admitted and you still open your mouth to say trash about UNN. Almost all nigeria universities are characterized by bigotry in disguise of ''catchment area'' so don't justify it all on a particular school.

vantage001:
A john Hopkins or a havard university does not have an 80% pass rate in their medical exams. Never.
And that is besides the fact that they have a higher number of standard lecturers,and significatly better students that would justify such high pass rate.
OAU is a shitty school, with a completely calamitous academic calendar. So how do you justify that kind of pass rate?
What kind of medicine are you teaching. ?

I wonder why people make outright claims on issue they know little or nothing about.

Firstly, John Hopkins sometimes record as high as 95% pass rate in her clinical exams.
I could remember reading a Ben Carson's book titled Think Big and saw where he said only one person in his class at premedical school in John Hopkins didn't make it to medical school.
I was baffled, because I'm used to hearing how 80-90% fail medical exams in Nigeria and won't make it to medical school.
That statement I read prompted me to go on research about it, and I realized those top rated schools record about 98% pass rate in their exams. That your students failed wouldn't make them better than their counterparts in other schools who aced their exams at once.

2. You know nothing about OAU college of health sciences.
The college of health sciences is like another campus on it own that operates on her own academic calendar far different from OAU's calendar.
They are most times not affected my ASUU or OAU internal problems as they are mostly on campus with there program when the rest of OAU students are at home due to one problem or the other. You sometimes hear them writing exams when the rest of OAU students are just resuming.

Last Bullet:
That the lecturers fail the students doesn't make the school a better school.
Top rated schools believe their students are smart to have gotten admission, and so won't fold their hands while some disgruntled lecturers fail them woefully.
No school in the US,UK or Canada will see half of a class (I.e 50%) fail a course and won't summon the lecturer involved to a panel.
They believe for a large chunk of your students to fail, then you can't really pass that knowledge you're claiming to be teaching to them, or better still, you don't even know what you're teaching.

funmisticqueen:
you think medicine is like the course you studied where you cram or calculate and pass, in medical courses there are higher levels of knowledge, which are recalling,understanding, analysing, using it in problem solving, brain storming(linking concepts together) and teaching other. This is what makes it so hard.Most students only know how to recall and maybe teach each other, but the more students read something over and over again, the higher your level of knowledge on the topic, and dont forget medicine is bulky, and medicine exam questions test all these levels of knowledge. It is not that they didn't study, but they didn't study smartly in a way that saves time and is efficient. It is also one thing to study but it is another thing to remember what you studied. Every medical student is smart and every medical student studies by default so please correct your statement or keep quiet on what you know nothing about

Dont agree with you on this one. there is no such thing as this course is harder than that course. it all depends on the student. medicine is not the only bulky subject.

PrinceMario:
I wonder why people make outright claims on issue they know little or nothing about.

Firstly, John Hopkins sometimes record as high as 95% pass rate in her clinical exams.
I could remember reading a Ben Carson's book titled Think Big and saw where he said only one person in his class at premedical school in John Hopkins didn't make it to medical school.
I was baffled, because I'm used to hearing how 80-90% fail medical exams in Nigeria and won't make it to medical school.
That statement I read prompted me to go on research about it, and I realized those top rated schools record about 98% pass rate in their exams. That your students failed wouldn't make them better than their counterparts in other schools who aced their exams at once.

2. You know nothing about OAU college of health sciences.
The college of health sciences is like another campus on it own that operates on her own academic calendar far different from OAU's calendar.
They are most times not affected my ASUU or OAU internal problems as they are mostly on campus with there program when the rest of OAU students are at home due to one problem or the other. You sometimes hear them writing exams when the rest of OAU students are just resuming.

Last Bullet:
That the lecturers fail the students doesn't make the school a better school.
Top rated schools believe their students are smart to have gotten admission, and so won't fold their hands while some disgruntled lecturers fail them woefully.
No school in the US,UK or Canada will see half of a class (I.e 50%) fail a course and won't summon the lecturer involved to a panel.
They believe for a large chunk of your students to fail, then you can't really pass that knowledge you're claiming to be teaching to them, or better still, you don't even know what you're teaching.

its true that nigerian lecturers are diseased with this "students must fail" syndrome. the one thing they know how to do best is threaten students, tell them that "nobody can get an A" and all sorts of moral, zeal killing statements.. why wont students fail?

CosmeticChemist:
is this the result of those presently in year 3 or 5 ?

Year 3. Somebody pasted it yesterday.

RoyalBoutique:
None of the above. The students didnt read and they failed.

Kpomkwem.

Really! sorry but u just have to stfu when those who have been there and seen it all happen say so...

linearity:
Upon all these school wahala to enter school to read medicine or law and another set of wahala to graduate.

Doctors and lawyers no go see work for 9ja. Doctors are collecting N60k/per month for private hospital right here in Lagos and lawyers are at the Ikeja under bridge looking for someone to write affirdavit for.

u dnt mean it!

silentshots:
Really! sorry but u just have to stfu when those who have been there and seen it all happen say so...

None of the above. The students didnt read and they failed.

Kpomkwem

funmisticqueen:
this is the last time i will reply to your useless jargon on this thread. Firstly i am not a medical student. Second unlike you all i posted i realised while in medical school and it helped me graduate, that was my big picture. Third, it is not arrogance, it is confidence, an honor to be called into a profession as this to save lives even those that seem to be useless like yours. I have satisfaction in the fact that i am doing the little i can in the community and the world as a whole and sleep safe at night. Fourth i cant come and study 6+x years in school only to end up as the wife of one alhaji cos i'm christian. I also have standards due to my years of training and other things. Fifth you are an empty vessel, a broke ass visionless scum who mouth is bigger than the content of his brain which can only come up with nonsense views and posts, operate two opposable thumbs to type above said nonsense, a joystick that can only piss and eject semen that will produce individuals as dumb as you and an a$$hole that deserved to be rammed by a gay alhaji. I hereby part ways with you. Good day
funmisticqueen signing out

kai!to much insults that is unethical b resilience.

vanndubi:
How do we know that that is OAU's result sheets?

Do well to go back and take the pictures of the ones on OAU's letter headed paper.

That's O.A.U, more evident from the matric number format

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lonelydora:
I rep UNN. The only two schools in Nigeria are UNN and others. I was a great Agbebite.

Xo you mean you were at old engineering annex ??
If so, you shud understand when i say am from ABE.

sgtponzihater:
U just answered my question u are a dental doctor and not a medical doctor. A medical doctor must do OnG, Paediatric, ENT, Orthopaedic, Psychiatry and must be able to handle general medical practice alone. You made a list of Ghana medical association and Nigerian medical association which is good but only a few dentist presided over those. I've never said dentist are not doctors but they are dental doctors period.

Dental students​ rotate through all surgery specialties including ENT, Opthalmology, & anaesthesia.
They rotate thru paediatric & all units under Medicine too. They don't go through O&G because they have other things to do. To study dentistry is more expensive. I remember wen some of my classmates in Physiology wanted to cross to dentistry in 200l but were not allowed because the provost then said the amount use to train 1dental student can be use to train 10 medical students
They are doctors too. Earn the same salary as surgeons. Also member of NMA & MDCAN

kkins25:
Dont agree with you on this one. there is no such thing as this course is harder than that course. it all depends on the student. medicine is not the only bulky subject.

lets agree to disagree, why isnt medicne and dentistry a four year course then, and why do we still specialise after school. true somethings are harder than medicne like being in the marines, navy blue seals and gymanstics, but what they have in common is that these courses change the average person, they instill in you resilience, patient, discipline and a new way of thinking. If you ask people who have done other courses before doing medicine they will tell you that its a different kettle of fish altogether.

bizzibodi:
kai!to much insults that is unethical b resilience.

Don't mind d kid that passed thru d university but didn't allow the University pass thru her.

lovelyebony:
Dental students​ rotate through all surgery specialties including ENT, Opthalmology, & anaesthesia.
They rotate thru paediatric & all units under Medicine too. They don't go through O&G because they have other things to do. To study dentistry is more expensive. I remember wen some of my classmates in Physiology wanted to cross to dentistry in 200l but were not allowed because the provost then said the amount use to train 1dental student can be use to train 10 medical students
They are doctors too. Earn the same salary as surgeons. Also member of NMA & MDCAN

I know all these. Dentist earn similar to Medical doctors abroad but it's not d same course period. There is no professional exams in paediatrics and no exams on the special postings like anaesthesia, ENT, psychiatry and orthopaedics so don't think I am an illiterate

mannyiyke:
In a hospital setting, it's only medical doctors and dentists are called doctors. Even an optometrist in a hospital setting is not called a doctor. They can bear the title elsewhere. It is only in the UK that dentists and other surgeons are called misters (Mrs). Reason being that Dentistry and surgery in general emanated from barber surgeons who didn't go to school then, until they were stopped. Then dentistry became a formal study and also surgery became integrated into medicine as medicine and surgery. before a medicine was only medicine. So, in the UK and some parts of Europe, if u're a dentist or an othopedic surgeon, or an ENT surgeon or a general surgeon or a plastic surgeon, u're addressed as mrs. The only difference being that these surgical specialties are under medicine, and before their residency training in surgical subspecialties, they were known as doctors, but on being consultant surgeons, they are henceforth addressed as misters (mrs).


For ur information, a dental student will rotate through all these medical departments (except O and G) in their 500 level. I will agree that the rotations may not be as deep as that of medical students, cos medicine is not their core course. Also, a medical student will not rotate through any dental dept. That's why if u want to specialize in any dental subspecialty, u must get an undergraduate dental degree and likewise a dentist who wants to go into medicine. That does not mean a dentist is not a doctor. Remember, an optometrist u mentioned is even responsible to an ophthalmologist in a hospital setting. So, the overall decision goes to an ophthalmologist who admits and discharges an eye patient, while a dentist has the rights and privileges to admit and discharge dental patients same as his medical doctor colleagues. He also has dental nurses, dental therapists or hygienists and dental lab technologists/technicians working under him and he is the team leader. An optometrist doesn't have such clinical rights and privileges.

Even in the private setting where an optometrist opens an eye clinic, he doesn't have the power and education to treat all eye disease He cannot perform eye surgeries. In complex eye cases, he will refer them to an ophthalmologist who is a specialist medical doctor trained in the surgical and non-surgical treatment, diagnosis and management of the eyes.



Why must a practitioner of a profession that does all these not be called a doctor?

Easy with the lies!!!

sbashir10:
University of Nigeria.
or university of igbo's, what do you expect when their admission is characterized by ethnic bigotry and sentiments, you'll hardly finds any tribe other than igbos in this so called UNN.....
and they end up calling Nigeria a Zoo.
quote me make thunder from Zimbabwe fire your left yans... h

aboki..

PrinceMario:
.

What a response!

I am impressed!

I never knew we still have intelligent people like you on Nairaland.

funmisticqueen:
lets agree to disagree, why isnt medicne and dentistry a four year course then, and why do we still specialise after school. true somethings are harder than medicne like being in the marines, navy blue seals and gymanstics, but what they have in common is that these courses change the average person, they instill in you resilience, patient, discipline and a new way of thinking. If you ask people who have done other courses before doing medicine they will tell you that its a different kettle of fish altogether.

Thumbs up!
Nice submission!

Nukilia:
Thumbs up! Nice submission!

thanks

keandre:
Easy with the lies!!!

he's actually saying the truth.

kkins25:
its true that nigerian lecturers are diseased with this "students must fail" syndrome. the one thing they know how to do best is threaten students, tell them that "nobody can get an A" and all sorts of moral, zeal killing statements.. why wont students fail?

They are a set of backward thinkers. If students should fail en-mass like this I believe the lecturers should be asked how come 90% of their students failed. Let no body tell us the students did not read.

PrinceMario:
It's actually an OAU result, I confirmed that.

Two things are involved here;

Either the lecturers can't really imbibe the knowledge into those students or they are just been a sadist.

They whole class can't be dumb.

But ur not putting us in a position to confirm it too.

funmisticqueen:
lets agree to disagree, why isnt medicne and dentistry a four year course then, and why do we still specialise after school. true somethings are harder than medicne like being in the marines, navy blue seals and gymanstics, but what they have in common is that these courses change the average person, they instill in you resilience, patient, discipline and a new way of thinking. If you ask people who have done other courses before doing medicine they will tell you that its a different kettle of fish altogether.

You didn't mention LAW. I'm certain its not a four year course. and it requires all the criteria such as brain storming etcetera, which you mentioned earlier.. You are right though right and wrong . well i don't think the medicine is the toughest course there is. As a medical student or as professional you definitely have to be up to the task because my dear if you mess up with someone's life the lawyers would come for your head. hahaha. you'd be surprised to know that lawyers are a very smart bunch.. further more medicine is definitely not the toughest course there is. its amongst the toughest. have you heard of quantum physics, damn they are into some crazy shit. quantum physics seems so alien. also look at Bio informatics (talk bout merging biology and computer) and alot of other courses that i don't even know exist not to mention psychology or behaviour. well like a prof of mine once said, we should grow up and be aware that the world has changed. Everything, i mean courses or profession is linked directly or indirectly. IN REALITY THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS "THIS IS HARDER THAN THIS" IF YOU THINK YOURE THE BEST IN THE SOCIETY TRY SOMEONE ELSE'S PROFESSION OR TAKE SOMEONE ELSE'S COURSE. my point is we need each other.

kkins25:
You didn't mention LAW. I'm certain its not a four year course. and it requires all the criteria such as brain storming etcetera, which you mentioned earlier.. You are right though right and wrong . well i don't think the medicine is the toughest course there is. As a medical student or as professional you definitely have to be up to the task because my dear if you mess up with someone's life the lawyers would come for your head. hahaha. you'd be surprised to know that lawyers are a very smart bunch.. further more medicine is definitely not the toughest course there is. its amongst the toughest. have you heard of quantum physics, damn they are into some crazy shit. quantum physics seems so alien. also look at Bio informatics (talk bout merging biology and computer) and alot of other courses that i don't even know exist not to mention psychology or behaviour. well like a prof of mine once said, we should grow up and be aware that the world has changed. Everything, i mean courses or profession is linked directly or indirectly. IN REALITY THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS "THIS IS HARDER THAN THIS" IF YOU THINK YOURE THE BEST IN THE SOCIETY TRY SOMEONE ELSE'S PROFESSION OR TAKE SOMEONE ELSE'S COURSE. my point is we need each other.

Well we all need each other is a fact however some courses are just tougher than others. Why do u think a student fails out of medicine and is admitted in the sciences even in physics that u mentioned, however a student who fails so much in the sciences cannot be sent to medicine but is sent home as good for nothing. That example shows you that even the University community sees medicine as the epoch of learning, that is why they think if one fail out of medicine he can still cope in any of the sciences and interestingly they shine. It is only in Nigeria also that lecturers have a Unified salary scale, abroad lecturers in certain courses are paid higher. With medical lecturers being paid highest followed by law, dentistry etc, this is another proof that courses are different and rank higher than each other. The highest paid professor in the US is a medical doctor, also medical professionals are the highest paid in the UK and the US on average. I once knew a medical student failed out of year 3 who went to PHE, he ended up their best student with no sweat and is currently an assistant lecturer right now. So get ur arguement right.

keandre:
Easy with the lies!!!

There're no lies in all i have said about optometry. Can they treat all eye diseases? Do they perform eye surgeries? Tell me? In a hospital setting (i'm not talking of private clinics where malpractices abound and anybody can do anyhow), it's only medical doctors and dentists dat bear d title "doctor" 'cos they're d ones dat have d clinical rights to admit a patient, treat him/her and then certify dat he/she is ok. Even though an optometrist bears d title 'doctor of optometry', u and i know dat in d hospital setting, it's advisable 4 them not to bear d title 'cos they don't have clinical rights and privileges to take d full care of a patient eye. They're under ophthalmologists who have d final say in patients' eye care. Where are d lies?

kkins25:
You didn't mention LAW. I'm certain its not a four year course. and it requires all the criteria such as brain storming etcetera, which you mentioned earlier.. You are right though right and wrong . well i don't think the medicine is the toughest course there is. As a medical student or as professional you definitely have to be up to the task because my dear if you mess up with someone's life the lawyers would come for your head. hahaha. you'd be surprised to know that lawyers are a very smart bunch.. further more medicine is definitely not the toughest course there is. its amongst the toughest. have you heard of quantum physics, damn they are into some crazy shit. quantum physics seems so alien. also look at Bio informatics (talk bout merging biology and computer) and alot of other courses that i don't even know exist not to mention psychology or behaviour. well like a prof of mine once said, we should grow up and be aware that the world has changed. Everything, i mean courses or profession is linked directly or indirectly. IN REALITY THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS "THIS IS HARDER THAN THIS" IF YOU THINK YOURE THE BEST IN THE SOCIETY TRY SOMEONE ELSE'S PROFESSION OR TAKE SOMEONE ELSE'S COURSE. my point is we need each other.

did i say, i am the best in my society. There is a reason i didnt mention law, but those other courses are worth my mention. I would rather mention music than law.even pharmcy and nursing deserves my mention.

kkins25:
You didn't mention LAW. I'm certain its not a four year course. and it requires all the criteria such as brain storming etcetera, which you mentioned earlier.. You are right though right and wrong . well i don't think the medicine is the toughest course there is. As a medical student or as professional you definitely have to be up to the task because my dear if you mess up with someone's life the lawyers would come for your head. hahaha. you'd be surprised to know that lawyers are a very smart bunch.. further more medicine is definitely not the toughest course there is. its amongst the toughest. have you heard of quantum physics, damn they are into some crazy shit. quantum physics seems so alien. also look at Bio informatics (talk bout merging biology and computer) and alot of other courses that i don't even know exist not to mention psychology or behaviour. well like a prof of mine once said, we should grow up and be aware that the world has changed. Everything, i mean courses or profession is linked directly or indirectly. IN REALITY THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS "THIS IS HARDER THAN THIS" IF YOU THINK YOURE THE BEST IN THE SOCIETY TRY SOMEONE ELSE'S PROFESSION OR TAKE SOMEONE ELSE'S COURSE. my point is we need each other.

did i say, i am the best in my society. There is a reason i didnt mention law, but those other courses are worth my mention. I would rather mention music than law.even pharmcy and nursing deserves my mention. I am entitled to my opinion please. Gooday

sgtponzihater:
Well we all need each other is a fact however some courses are just tougher than others. Why do u think a student fails out of medicine and is admitted in the sciences even in physics that u mentioned, however a student who fails so much in the sciences cannot be sent to medicine but is sent home as good for nothing. That example shows you that even the University community sees medicine as the epoch of learning, that is why they think if one fail out of medicine he can still cope in any of the sciences and interestingly they shine. It is only in Nigeria also that lecturers have a Unified salary scale, abroad lecturers in certain courses are paid higher. With medical lecturers being paid highest followed by law, dentistry etc, this is another proof that courses are different and rank higher than each other. The highest paid professor in the US is a medical doctor, also medical professionals are the highest paid in the UK and the US on average. I once knew a medical student failed out of year 3 who went to PHE, he ended up their best student with no sweat and is currently an assistant lecturer right now. So get ur arguement right.

I don't know where u usually get ur information from. Lecturers are paid the same all over the world, no matter the course u teach. Do u think Nigeria will do otherwise if it's not the same in other parts of the world. Search for facts before making any statement. Don't say something just 'cos ur mouth can talk. The only exception is where the medical or dental professor is a consultant. So, invariably, he will be an honorary consultant to the teaching hospital and also a lecturer in the medical or dental school. But being an honorary consultant does not mean he will be paid a full salary as that of a fully employed consultant who is not a lecturer but is working fully in the teaching hospital. It's also the same here in Nigeria.

Please, salary scale of lecturers is the same everywhere no matter the course the lecturer teaches.

mannyiyke:
I don't know where u usually get ur information from. Lecturers are paid the same all over the world, no matter the course u teach. Do u think Nigeria will do otherwise if it's not the same in other parts of the world. Search for facts before making any statement. Don't say something just 'cos ur mouth can talk. The only exception is where the medical or dental professor is a consultant. So, invariably, he will be an honorary consultant to the teaching hospital and also a lecturer in the medical or dental school. But being an honorary consultant does not mean he will be paid a full salary as that of a fully employed consultant who is not a lecturer but is working fully in the teaching hospital. It's also the same here in Nigeria.

Please, salary scale of lecturers is the same everywhere no matter the course the lecturer teaches.

Stop being illiterate. Kindly Google highest paid professors in the US and get answers. Or are all professional paid the same too. Different lecturers have different pay scale. It's only in Nigeria they make things uniform. Different doctors even have different pay abroad it's only in Nigeria they unify everything and that's why we are still far from development.

sgtponzihater:
Stop being illiterate. Kindly Google highest paid professors in the US and get answers. Or are all professional paid the same too. Different lecturers have different pay scale. It's only in Nigeria they make things uniform. Different doctors even have different pay abroad it's only in Nigeria they unify everything and that's why we are still far from development.

That's in the private sector and not in the government sector. Even when it exists, it is not mostly doctors. The thing varies. At times, u hear that a management executive earns higher or even a psychology prof. It is not exclusive to medical doctors or dentists. Do u know in the private sector in America that a dentist earns higher than a medical doctor most of the time? It's not only in America but in the western world mostly while all these ICT professors earn higher most of the time. Stop being ignorant.