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Re: Who Created Other Planets? by KingEbukasBlog(m): 9:26am On May 06, 2017 |
SmartMugu: That's why you need to read widely . You were young and everything had to be given to you in a perspicuous way . SmartMugu : I know you are trying to be naive about everything to drive home a point . 2 Likes |
Re: Who Created Other Planets? by Nobody: 9:30am On May 06, 2017 |
adelee777:heaven refers to all other planet... lol, who taught you to think like that? |
Re: Who Created Other Planets? by SmartMugu: 9:31am On May 06, 2017 |
KingEbukasBlog:I'm trying to learn from everyone, thats why I started the topic. Thanks for your contribution so far. |
Re: Who Created Other Planets? by KingEbukasBlog(m): 9:36am On May 06, 2017 |
SmartMugu: Oh no problem . Thank Christ . Well if you have any other questions just ask Don't forget , not everyone subscribes to the idea of creation stories in religious books but they still acknowledge the existence of the creator . 1 Like |
Re: Who Created Other Planets? by CatfishBilly: 9:38am On May 06, 2017 |
KingEbukasBlog:Creator? With all the plenty design flaws? The creator surely doesn't want us to live on earth if there is one. 3 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: Who Created Other Planets? by SmartMugu: 9:42am On May 06, 2017 |
CatfishBilly:Oh wow. Don't you think the problems were created by humans themselves and not the creator? |
Re: Who Created Other Planets? by KingEbukasBlog(m): 9:44am On May 06, 2017 |
CatfishBilly: Design flaws ? Oya go and create your own universe from absolute nothingness let's compare it to God's According to Christian theism , God did not create an impeccable universe . The so-called design flaws are even beneficial . Like I told you the other day : when you lose , others gain - that's the cycle of life . 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Who Created Other Planets? by SmartMugu: 9:47am On May 06, 2017 |
KingEbukasBlog:Sure,I'd be glad to ask you questions, but could you please be kind enough to respond in simple English a poor person like me can understand? Some of your words make it seem like I'm chatting with Wole Soyinka and his likes altogether in a chatroom. I avoid people with that super-human grammatical ability when I don't have a dictionary handy. Better still, I understand pigeon English. I just don't like cracking my brain to understand simple sentences. Thank you sir |
Re: Who Created Other Planets? by KingEbukasBlog(m): 9:56am On May 06, 2017 |
SmartMugu: I'm sorry . No problem then |
Re: Who Created Other Planets? by KingEbukasBlog(m): 10:03am On May 06, 2017 |
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Re: Who Created Other Planets? by CatfishBilly: 10:04am On May 06, 2017 |
KingEbukasBlog: SmartMugu:Okay, I'll talk about humans. Sure, beneficial design flaws, bla bla bla. Let's look at Plasmodium, the causative agent of malaria. It doesn't have any proven benefit except making humans sick and killing us. Plasmodium Falciparum, the deadliest specie for humans, our close evolutionary cousins are surprisingly immune to it. He gave the immunity to apes and forgot to give it to us? That's okay though, he "gave" us evolution. Now, humans evolved the S in the hemoglobin gene. But guess what? The S is a death sentence. To inherit 2 of them causes sickle cell disease (SS), we all know how that one turns out, to inherit one (AS) has been linked to chronic kidney diseases and splenic infarctions. But that's okay though, he is a great designer. He created bacteria and gave them the ability to withstand anything thrown at it, but what did he give us? Nothing. Okay, we developed antibiotics to fight the bacteria, what did he do? He have them genes to be able to become resistant to our antibiotics. You don't want to know how many people have died due to antibiotics resistance. And we are supposed to be the apple of his eyes and whatnot. What a great designer he is. 6 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Who Created Other Planets? by SmartMugu: 10:18am On May 06, 2017 |
CatfishBilly: I still don't think the creator needs to be blamed for the points you mentioned. I still agree with folks that believe life is about survival of the fittest. That's why you and me can slaughter a chicken for lunch and a lion can devour both us for dinner. Same applies to micro-organisms like the bacteria you mentioned. They obviously derived something from making people sick, but our creator has nothing to do with what they're doing to other animals like us, like he has nothing to do with a chicken devouring a young and innocent earthworm,and same chicken ends up being cooked or fried by me and you. In my opinion, It will be unfair to assume our creator made certain living things more perfect than us humans, and some of them can hurt us more than we can hurt them. We need to think about how many other species we hurt on a daily basis too. Since we are discussing bacteria, how many plants, mushrooms, animals do we humans kill everyday? Last I checked, humans consume more than other animals. Please correct me if I'm wrong. 1 Like |
Re: Who Created Other Planets? by CatfishBilly: 10:29am On May 06, 2017 |
SmartMugu:You are still not getting it. The creator put in place so much mechanisms for these organisms to thrive but refused to give same to us. His "chosen" ones I'll go out on a limb and say that 95% of our antibiotics is gotten from bacteria. That is how defenseless we are. 1 Like |
Re: Who Created Other Planets? by Raintaker(m): 10:32am On May 06, 2017 |
SmartMugu:The bacteria , plasmodium and co are just trying to survive, they do not mean to cause any harm. 1 Like |
Re: Who Created Other Planets? by SmartMugu: 10:33am On May 06, 2017 |
CatfishBilly:How about we as humans just admitting we are not as smart as we think we are? What if our creator gave us all we needed to defend ourselves in herbs around us, and we are looking for solutions in the wrong places like chemicals in labs? |
Re: Who Created Other Planets? by KingEbukasBlog(m): 10:34am On May 06, 2017 |
CatfishBilly: Is this even an argument ? You have a way more complex brain that has helped you develop the resistance against or cure for these disease. Even the study of pathogens has given us a much better understanding of microorganisms That's okay though, he "gave" us evolution. Now, humans evolved the S in the hemoglobin gene. But guess what? The S is a death sentence. To inherit 2 of them causes sickle cell disease (SS), we all know how that one turns out, to inherit one (AS) has been linked to chronic kidney diseases and splenic infarctions. But that's okay though, he is a great designer. Sickle cell disease was developed to fight against malaria . He created bacteria and gave them the ability to withstand anything thrown at it, but what did he give us? Nothing. Most of these diseases are just spin offs of the evolutionary processes . Who knows ? As humans evolve we can be naturally resistant too against these diseases . There is a perspective of creationism called special creationism whereby God created primordial ancestors and orchestrated diversity through evolution . And these design flaws can be corrected through natural selection . Again , some of the flaws which were once seen as flaws have turned out not to be flaws . We have now discovered their uses . As knowledge grows , the perception changes . Because we don't know yet why something seems off at the moment does not mean God did not do it - that's the Not-God argument [https://www.nairaland.com/3767066/criticism-atheist-arguments-introducing-not] |
Re: Who Created Other Planets? by SmartMugu: 10:38am On May 06, 2017 |
Raintaker:Yup, like we survive on other animals and plants too, but we kill them first. |
Re: Who Created Other Planets? by CatfishBilly: 10:51am On May 06, 2017 |
KingEbukasBlog:Animals also have brains to understand diseases and how to fight them. Elephants have been shown to eat leaves containing oxytocics to aid in labour process. Apes have been shown to eat leaves containing some natural ingredients to help one ailment or the other, it is not peculiar to humans. They have the in-built immunity/mechanisms to fight against diseases while we have to develop new medications every few years to fight against the Infections cos he surprisingly gave them immunity against our works Sickle cell disease was developed to fight against malaria .Sickle cell disease was developed by who? (This is so gonna be interesting) Most of these diseases are just spin offs of the evolutionary processes . Who knows ? As humans evolve we can be naturally resistant too against these diseases . There is a perspective of creationism called special creationism whereby God created primordial ancestors and orchestrated diversity through evolution . And these design flaws can be corrected through natural selection . Again , some of the flaws which were once seen as flaws have turned out not to be flaws . We have now discovered their uses . As knowledge grows , the perception changes . Because we don't know yet why something seems off at the moment does not mean God did not do it - that's the Not-God argument [https://www.nairaland.com/3767066/criticism-atheist-arguments-introducing-not]Humans are evolving to be immune to these diseases at the detriment of their health. i.e sickle cell disease. But humans are not evolving to be immune to most bacterial/viral infection. Things as common as common cold and influenza still kill a lot of people yearly. Please, which former design flaws has been demonstrated to be beneficial now? |
Re: Who Created Other Planets? by CoolUsername: 11:06am On May 06, 2017 |
KingEbukasBlog: 5. The story is a truckload of l bull 1 Like |
Re: Who Created Other Planets? by Ubameyang: 12:10pm On May 06, 2017 |
The chapter n verse cannot b translatd literally-1 words dat we use now were non existent during d period of d writin mankind has developed many new lexique over d ages. To cut long story short d word earth stands for material creation dat is all d planets in our solar system n oda galaxies it was(they were)subsequently created in d image of the spiritual realm(heaven) |
Re: Who Created Other Planets? by rhektor(m): 12:24pm On May 06, 2017 |
felixomor: Don't mind him, his trying to be wise while being foolish The Hebrew word used there in Geneis 1:1 Shamayin to depict heaven(s) Op take note 1 Like 1 Share
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Re: Who Created Other Planets? by scionofurhobo(m): 12:54pm On May 06, 2017 |
It's intriguing. Mere mortals, trying to understand 'God'. |
Re: Who Created Other Planets? by Raeheemwayne: 1:07pm On May 06, 2017 |
SmartMugu: CHAPTER IV Section 1. The Seven double letters, Beth, Gimel, Daleth, Kaph, Peh, Resh, and Tau have each two sounds associated with them. They are referred to Life, Peace, Wisdom, Riches, Grace, Fertility and Power. The two sounds of each letter are the hard and the soft--the aspirated and the softened. They are called Double, because each letter presents a contrast or permutation; thus Life and Death; Peace and War; Wisdom and Folly; Riches and Poverty; Grace and Indignation; Fertility and Solitude; Power and Servitude. 2. These Seven Double Letters point out seven localities; Above, Below, East, West, North, South, and the Palace of Holiness in the midst of them sustaining all things. 3. These Seven Double Letters He designed, produced, and combined, and formed with them the Planets of this World, the Days of the Week, and the Gates of the soul (the orifices of perception) in Man. From these Seven He bath produced the Seven Heavens, the Seven Earths, the Seven Sabbaths: for this cause He has loved and blessed the number Seven more than all things under Heaven (His Throne). 4. Two Letters produce two houses; three form six; four form twenty-four; five form one hundred and twenty; six form seven hundred and twenty; (39) seven form five thousand and forty; and beyond this their numbers increase so that the mouth can hardly utter them, nor the ear hear the number of them. So now, behold the Stars of our World, the Planets which are Seven; the Sun, Venus, Mercury, Moon, Saturn, Jupiter and Mars. The Seven are also the Seven Days of Creation; and the Seven Gateways of the Soul of Man--the two eyes, the two ears, the mouth and the two nostrils. So with the Seven are formed the seven heavens, (41) the seven earths, and the seven periods of time; and so has He preferred the number Seven above all things under His Heaven. (42) i think you need to boost your IQ about Yaweh before posting gibberish. Let me also burst your bubbles,OP be noted “Earth is not a planet" forget that shit scientists are brainwashing you with,their teachings are diluted. |
Re: Who Created Other Planets? by Ubameyang: 1:07pm On May 06, 2017 |
Human vulnerrability or susceptibity to viral attack is due to our corrupted nature(by ourselves) we have fallen from a great height dat is y d bible i rom.8:19 talks abt d creature earnestly waitin 4 d manifestation of d sons of God(humans) our spirits lies lethargic in its robe(physical body) without d supply of spiritual radiation to d body man becomes a weakling. |
Re: Who Created Other Planets? by Nobody: 1:23pm On May 06, 2017 |
Another Emeritus of parasitology in the making....... Ignorant Christians will never stop to amaze me. Just when you think you very heard it all, Nairaland doctors then surprise you.... "Sickle cell was developed to fight malaria......." Hahn, lepasharon, make una come see new one above oo 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Who Created Other Planets? by Nobody: 1:25pm On May 06, 2017 |
It's never a must to comment on a thread... Haba |
Re: Who Created Other Planets? by Nobody: 1:30pm On May 06, 2017 |
Ubameyang:A simple question will show the above is trash.... You said human vulnerability to viral attack (I'm rephrasing it to microorganisms) is as a result of human corrupt nature or whatsoever abi? Now, what can you say abi the opportunistic micro biotas (aka opportunistic flora) that is created by the so called god? Are they also as a result of human corrupt nature 1 Like |
Re: Who Created Other Planets? by CatfishBilly: 1:39pm On May 06, 2017 |
Ubameyang:So animals and plants and bacteria that are susceptible to microorganisms also sinned against your God too abi? 1 Like |
Re: Who Created Other Planets? by Ubameyang: 1:42pm On May 06, 2017 |
Like someone said they r jus trying to survive!i repeat if u r full of spiritual radiation their presence will cus u no harm. They serve a purpose which we r not aware of. |
Re: Who Created Other Planets? by felixomor: 1:42pm On May 06, 2017 |
SmartMugu: Thanks for your honesty. Since u already said you havent seen the planets. Thats all I needed to know. SmartMugu: This is already explained by rhektor above. If u get a bible concordance, u will see the original words the kjv was translated from. And also remember that no two languages can be translated exactly into each other. Sometimes even "clouds" was translated as "heavens". So as the English dictionary increased in size over the years, there were new words to describe ancient translations. 1 Like 1 Share
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Re: Who Created Other Planets? by Nobody: 1:46pm On May 06, 2017 |
Ubameyang:This comment of your confirms the fact; The universe is not a product of intelligent design 1 Like |
Re: Who Created Other Planets? by Ubameyang: 1:53pm On May 06, 2017 |
Oh I didnt fully conclude.d presence of micro organism n their harmful effect on other lower lifeform i.e animals is due to nature not receiving or utilising certain products of spiritual radiation n again its mans fault to xplain will take too long i wish we r on voice chating forum perhaps i cud xpanciate. Just to add d trace element Lithium destroys all forms of microorganisms when in a water solution n do u know dat lithium is produced(or shud b) by d Medulla oblangata n d Thalamus but dis regions of d human brain currently functions way below its capacity |
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