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Re: Sufism In Ilorin ; A Struggle For Survival.. by Zaitoon: 5:32pm On May 05, 2017

[quote author=AbdelKabir post=56238594]

so you won't reply if you have seen me here before?

I'm replying you because I've never seen you here before...

and it must be everything they did ?

That's not all that correct, Ahl sunnah wal jamaa'ah are people who follow the understanding of the sahabas(companions of the prophet) in everything they do with regards the deen, why? Because the prophet specially said, the ones with the correct methodology are those who are upon what him and his companions were upon and this is the jamaa'ah...

I don't think Allah ask them to be sentencing others to Hell fire. Nobody has any right to proclaim hell fire on anybody

I can't defend everybody on issue of being "purest" but many of these brothers that do dawah don't do it for that sake, but to please Allaah, and you don't know their intent so its best you don't suspect, "beware of suspicion for suspicion is the highest degree of falsehood" ~ Muhammad..

so you are saying for example someone said you zaitoon you knelt down to greet your parent and Walahi you will enter hell fire is right?

And as for threatening, Allaah threatened us with fire in many places in the Qur'an, the messengers are called WARNERS AND GLAD TIDINGS GIVERS in the Qur'an, so that's non-issue

seriously I want them

Kneeling down is haraam, being shirk is subject to further discussion since scholars differ on it, but the superior opinion with me is it's not shirk, but its haraam, kneeling down being haraam has lots of evidences do you want them?

well anybody can recognize from my dressing that I'm a Muslimah. You needn't to ask, my dressing shows I'm a Muslimah

Can't defend them either, IF your look is not islamical then I can't blame them, they might not recognize you to be a Muslim...

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Re: Sufism In Ilorin ; A Struggle For Survival.. by Demmzy15(m): 5:56pm On May 05, 2017

[quote author=Rilwayne001 post=56236624][/quote] grin

Re: Sufism In Ilorin ; A Struggle For Survival.. by Gaddafithe2nd(m): 6:11pm On May 05, 2017

Even though, I don't belong to any sect but I like one Sufist, which is Rumi

Re: Sufism In Ilorin ; A Struggle For Survival.. by wasuka14(m): 6:14pm On May 05, 2017

What is sufism. It simply God conciousness. God conciousness is what elevate our soul from the real trouble of this material world. From the highest planet in the material world down to the lowest, all are places of misery wherein repeated birth and death take place. The solution to the problem of repeated birth and death is suffi (God Conciuosness), which we are practicing and offering to everyone. Some perfect result of this practice is that after the present body becomes useless and dies, one is no longer forced to accept a material body subject to birth, death, disease and old age. This is the real suffi. Although, it is he who Almighty choose that He blessed with spiritul knowledge. So if you don't understand ask. Don't condemn in ignorance. Or do u think it is only this material world and ur porpoted paradise that is created ni?? If you go through suffism and u know God more than u knw now, you won't like to enter this popular commom paradise that every1 want to go to. You will now have choice to choose. I can't go into detail here. Thats is why some of us who knw what we r doin can celebrate the bithday of our leaders, those who lead us to this devine path. I committed to suffism. Am proud to be a suffi man.

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Re: Sufism In Ilorin ; A Struggle For Survival.. by olahero(m): 6:24pm On May 05, 2017

AbdelKabir:
It's no longer news that the people of innovation among the adherents of Suffism have taken over the city of Ilorin in the celebration of the birth of their Sheikh, the pioneer innovator of Africa, Ibrahim Niyas.

Their choice of Ilorin for this historic INNOVATION is not just by chance, as it is obvious to anyone who is familiar with the terrain and trends of events in the ancient city within the last two decades. The last two decades witnessed an unprecedented rejection and abandonment of Suffism and its deviant beliefs by a significant number of Muslims. This is particularly witnessed by clans of great scholars who are the custodians of the Suffi ideology. This is so much that it's no gain saying that there is no such Suffi household in the city except that Allah has raised from their midst influential scholar(s) of Sunnah and countless other students of knowledge.

This trend is naturally sending Suffism in to extinction. Inshaa Allah, an extinction beyond redemption.
Ilorin, which was hitherto an epicentre of Suffism is now being lost to the people of Sunnah upon the manhaj of the pious companions of Allah's Messenger (May the peace and blessings of Allah be upon him).
What we are witnessing today is nothing more than a futile attempt to reclaim a lost territory. An attempt to repopularise an ideology that is no longer trending. An attempt to engender Bid'ah and Kufr as a way of life for those who have tasted the sweetness of faith.

Brothers and Sisters, do not despair as it is just a similitude of thunder and its lightening; so much noise but without impact.
I ask Allah, the Lord of magnificent throne to guide them to the prestine Islam. May He also keep us steadfast on the Sunnah of the Prophet as exemplified by the pious predecessors.

Abu Abdillah Abdulganiy bn Ibrahim Adelodun

Jazakumullahu khair.

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Re: Sufism In Ilorin ; A Struggle For Survival.. by Nobody: 6:42pm On May 05, 2017

CagedSoul:
dude why are u doing this to urself
First of all check the way I spelt" tasawwuf" in the text u quoted. The first ones were simply unintended errors. But then what harm would that kinda typo cause even when the message has been clearly received Mathematics? Alhaji Kabiru pls don't ever post anything that has to do with Islam on this forum again. I even thought dude was studying Islamic studies mani ké.. This is no insult, let the specialist handle it.. Pls. No wonder. And to think that u rejected my debate request makes me want to run mad.. Don't ever mention my moniker again. Pls..

I hope you can now go back to your cage Mr cagedsoul

Re: Sufism In Ilorin ; A Struggle For Survival.. by Nobody: 6:46pm On May 05, 2017

CagedSoul:
Dude why are doing this to urself
Okay here we go. Replying her cause U've never seen her here before? Is this statement ethically and Islamically right?
AhluSunnah Wal Jamaaha are those who follow the companions? Dude u are so wrong. Using Ur ideology, where did u put those after the companions and those after them too? Even after the Prophet stated that in his words? Assuming the AhluSunnah Wal Jamaaha are those who follow d companions only, if the kinda following u meant is 100% following, then We should be practicing Islam the way they jus did it, all these Islamic fields of knowledge wouldn't have reached us if we did, but If u intend following them and following the Quran and hadith, then u are right,because Allah has perfected the roots of this peaceful religion through Quran and hadith, it's up to us learn their meaning and not preach the rigid Islam u want to sell to us. In short, AhluSunnah way Jamaaha are those adhering to the teachings of Quran and Hadiths(that includes d sahabah, doz after them, doz after them, and every righteous Muslim following the instructions of the Holy book and hadith.

This would've made sense if you can point the word "only" connected to the sahabas in my post....

Re: Sufism In Ilorin ; A Struggle For Survival.. by CagedSoul: 6:56pm On May 05, 2017

AbdelKabir:

This would've made sense if you can point the word "only" connected to the sahabas in my post....

what have u been reduced to??!! Lol u sound pitiful.. cheesy

AbdelKabir:
[quote author=AbdelKabir post=56243314]

I hope you can now go back to your cage Mr cagedsoul

lol actually i got my sobriquet from the prophet's hadith, the one that stated that this duniyah is prison for the believers. So i just changed the prison to cage. There you go "caged.soul" tongue

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Re: Sufism In Ilorin ; A Struggle For Survival.. by Caseless: 7:27pm On May 05, 2017

Azerbella:
Sufism..I was once an ardent believer in Sufism.
But now I don't know what I am...
Neither Sunni nor Sufi

Could someone help me with that prayer verse the Prophet recommended for when you feel you are straying away from Allah?

sufism: the only sect that preaches peace and respect. It preaches respect for auliya'llah(pious servant of Allah). In fact, it's non-violent in anyway.
I wish i'm comfortable right now to address the OP. He even tagged them kafur. Subahanallah! I'm a muslim and don't belong to any sect, I know a lot about the major sects.

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Re: Sufism In Ilorin ; A Struggle For Survival.. by munex007(m): 8:54pm On May 05, 2017

Yes, I am a salafi as long as salafiyya indicates taking as a model and following the earliest Muslim generations, due to the saying of Prophet Muhammad (God bless and grant peace to him and his family):'The best of generations is mine, then those who follow them, then those who follow them.

"I am a salafi only if salafiyya signifies inviting others to adhere to the Book of Allah and the lifestyle of Prophet Muhammad(S.A.W)and his companions..

"I am a salafi without wielding a stick against anyone from amongst the earlier or later Muslim community.

I'm a salafi as long as its about tolerance,connecting ties of family and friends and humilty that we learned from Prophet Muhammed (S.A.W)

I am a sufi as long as its about elaboration of Ihsan (inner goodness & excellence), the third part of the true path completed by Islam (outward practice) and Iman (faith).

"I am a sufi as long it indicates the purification of the soul with Authenticated Duas of Prophet Muhammed(S.A.W) accompanied by voluntary acts performed seeking Divine proximity.

I am a sufi as long it means struggling to overcome the ego and emigrating from sin, due to the saying of Prophet Muhammad (S.A.W) 'The true emigrant is the one who emigrates from sin and the true warrior is the one who battles against base desires.'

"I am a sufi as long as it means indifference to what is with people and yearning for that which is with God.

The salafi have weakness,the sufi have weakness,the tabligh have weakness...Weakness is a human characteristics

I love the Salafi for their quest and hunger for knowledge,I love the sufis zeal for worship,I love the tabligh for their Humility.

I am a Muslim without prefix

May Allah make us all true Muslims without hate

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Re: Sufism In Ilorin ; A Struggle For Survival.. by Nobody: 9:38pm On May 05, 2017

Rabbana latu ziqqulubana bada his'adaitana wa hablana minla dunka rahamata innaka antal wahab.

Azerbella:
Sufism..I was once an ardent believer in Sufism.
But now I don't know what I am...
Neither Sunni nor Sufi

Could someone help me with that prayer verse the Prophet recommended for when you feel you are straying away from Allah?

Re: Sufism In Ilorin ; A Struggle For Survival.. by ADAMSHO(m): 11:31pm On May 05, 2017

To all sunnah practictioners, why don't you leave those so called suffists. It's only you & you(s) that take to social media their activities. I wondered what you all would have been up to if you are MALLAM YUSUF ADEPOJU of ACADIP. At least this set of people are prophet ummah just like you guys. You're more or less wasting time castigating your muslim brothers instead of upholding the prophet last utterance (UHMMAHTI). Even Allah (S.W.T) said other relegions will not unite and they don't yet, they don't go against each like you guys did.

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Re: Sufism In Ilorin ; A Struggle For Survival.. by Empiree: 11:32pm On May 05, 2017

Azerbella:
Sufism..I was once an ardent believer in Sufism.
But now I don't know what I am...
Neither Sunni nor Sufi

Could someone help me with that prayer verse the Prophet recommended for when you feel you are straying away from Allah?

You dont need to call yourself sufi or anything. Just be muslim. Nigeria and majority African continent have always been sufi type but they never really make any big deal with the name. Sufis only means spiritual center of islam. What Allah names us is Muslim, full stop. Anything else is a waste of time. Just be muslim.

Where there is division is ideology. That's what brought about these names

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Re: Sufism In Ilorin ; A Struggle For Survival.. by Empiree: 11:36pm On May 05, 2017

Caseless:
sufism: the only sect that preaches peace and respect. It preaches respect for auliya'llah(pious servant of Allah). In fact, it's non-violent in anyway.
I wish i'm comfortable right now to address the OP. He even tagged them kafur. Subahanallah! I'm a muslim and don't belong to any sect, I know a lot about the major sects.

You dey mind him?. He is baseless "sunnah talker" trying to have his voice heard. Here is another thread he created maligning sufis and their shuyukh https://www.nairaland.com/3772057/going-keep-looking

They have no respect for awliyaAllah

Re: Sufism In Ilorin ; A Struggle For Survival.. by Empiree: 12:14am On May 06, 2017

Raintaker:

Most of these people argue blindly without even knowing the essence of Islam.
I'm not a suffi, but when I found out the real essence of tassawuf which is Ihsan, I couldn't help but agree that they are Muslims.

Thats what he and his cohorts are missing. They dont understand. They like to use misguided ppl to castigate essence. They fail to realize that tassawuf is even going on at Kaaba in Mecca as we speak.

What do they think ppl are doing there 24/7?. Is everyday Umra and Hajj?. If they visit hajj website from my link (my signature), tassawuf is going on while they are here talking trash. This shows they are not knowledgeable as they claimed.

Re: Sufism In Ilorin ; A Struggle For Survival.. by Emerituz(m): 12:41am On May 06, 2017

Demmzy15:
I know people like you will come here and shine their brown teeth. Always blaming people for everything!

that doesn't make sense, so sarcastic.

Re: Sufism In Ilorin ; A Struggle For Survival.. by Empiree: 12:43am On May 06, 2017

It is dishonest for anyone to think or say there are no mu'min amongst sufis and salafi. Allah (swt) will not raise you as sufi or salafi. You will be questioned about your believe. It is quiet irrelevant to claim "i am sufi. I am salafi". It is nonsense.

And it is not "at-taqiya" if a muslim doesnt wish to publicly attribute himself to sufi r any sect. And it is blatant falsehood to say sufi do not follow the sunnah and sahab. Thats false. Please kindly desist from that nonsense. At some point, all Muslim follow the sunnah and sahaba starting from wudhu(ablution). A sufi and salafi who performs wudhu for salat arent different. So get over nonsense trying to purify yourselves.

Without sufism islam is finished in other parts of the world except in Arabia. I wonder what exactly the so called sunni-salafi who called themselves "alhusunnah" really do to promote islam in modern day other than condemn this and that? What public activities do they have that bring muslims together if not for sunni-sufis?. Dont you people have any sense?

There are righteous people who adhere to salafi ideology and there are DEFINITELY righteous people who adhere to sunni-sufi. To say otherwise is to speak ill of Allah, His messanger and all Muslims, which is what the so called salafis here are doing. If you are so concerned a lot about sunnah, following the sunnah, why dont you marry a woman older than you by 25yrs?. Why dont you keep your eyes open while you sleep?. All these are sunnah of the prophet(SAW). Since you want to "follow the sunnah" to letter, do it but if you can't then, keep your mouth shut

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Re: Sufism In Ilorin ; A Struggle For Survival.. by Emerituz(m): 1:00am On May 06, 2017

fasmukol:

We all should just be praying to Allah to guide us aright and be praying to Allah to guide our brothers too to His right path of Sunnah of the holy prophet. Also, we should desist from making jest of them because Allah said in Suratul nissa (Q4: V94) "....... thus was how you were before but Allah confered on you His favour". Therefore, let us keep on asking Allah for their guidance as well as trying to do da'wah to them by showing them the beauty of sunnah through our actions and sayings.

Jazakumullahu Khaeran brother.

Re: Sufism In Ilorin ; A Struggle For Survival.. by Caseless: 1:04am On May 06, 2017

Empiree:
You dey mind him?. He is baseless "sunnah talker" trying to have his voice heard. Here is another thread he created maligning sufis and their shuyukh https://www.nairaland.com/3772057/going-keep-looking

They have no respect for awliyaAllah

he's got no fact, rather than lies.

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Re: Sufism In Ilorin ; A Struggle For Survival.. by fasmukol: 6:40am On May 06, 2017

Re: Sufism In Ilorin ; A Struggle For Survival.. by fasmukol: 6:41am On May 06, 2017

Emerituz:
Jazakumullahu Khaeran brother.

Ameen, wa antum fa jazakumuLlah

Re: Sufism In Ilorin ; A Struggle For Survival.. by Nobody: 6:47am On May 06, 2017

How to be a "waliyullaahi" according to the sufis.......

LOOK AND DRESS EXTREMELY MAD, then you become a "waliy" lobatan....

And its wajib for everybody to respect you because you are mad....

Re: Sufism In Ilorin ; A Struggle For Survival.. by Raintaker(m): 6:57am On May 06, 2017

AbdelKabir:
How to be a "waliyullaahi" according to the sufis.......

LOOK AND DRESS EXTREMELY MAD, then you become a "waliy" lobatan....

And its wajib for everybody to respect you because you are mad....

Really shaking my head for you bro, You sometimes reason like a kid.

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Re: Sufism In Ilorin ; A Struggle For Survival.. by Nobody: 7:08am On May 06, 2017

Raintaker:
Really shaking my head for you bro, You sometimes reason like a kid.

If wearing multiple "tesuba" that can suffocate you and holding a broom together with a knife also nails being long and wearing a turban that I can use to sew agbada is nor madness to you, then what is?

That their tesuba, with how big the beads are, it can get you unconscious if beaten with it....

Re: Sufism In Ilorin ; A Struggle For Survival.. by Demmzy15(m): 8:29am On May 06, 2017

AbdelKabir:

If wearing multiple "tesuba" that can suffocate you and holding a broom together with a knife also nails being long and wearing a turban that I can use to sew agbada is nor madness to you, then what is?

That their tesuba, with how big the beads are, it can get you unconscious if beaten with it....

One of my relatives some years back flogged me with tesuba on the head, suddenly my head swollen up!! grin

Serious one o!!!

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Re: Sufism In Ilorin ; A Struggle For Survival.. by rhames(m): 9:26am On May 06, 2017

Can somebody define these ideologies please. what is Suffism? Who is a Suffi? What are the qualities of a Suffi? Why Suffism? Is it pro oragainst Islamic tenets? Are there evidence to suggest that Suffism is Shirk or Islamic Practice?

Re: Sufism In Ilorin ; A Struggle For Survival.. by FriendNG: 11:31am On May 06, 2017

Demmzy15:
One of my relatives some years back flogged me with tesuba on the head, suddenly my head swollen up!! Serious one o!!!

Hahaha. I done dey pity you self. Yoruba savi beat. And the good thing is if u tell your Mumcy, she will add more for you tongue

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Re: Sufism In Ilorin ; A Struggle For Survival.. by Empiree: 11:45am On May 06, 2017

Raintaker:
Really shaking my head for you bro, You sometimes reason like a kid.

he's upset bcus of huge turnout in recent ilorin maulud. The way he reasons is a sorry case. And I believe he opens another thread with copied lies compiled from some books that he didn't bother to verify.

It is obvious that are out to provoke sectarianism. Don't be surprised what he's doing was done by his scholars in the 90s. They are ppl with one eye. Once they have no evidence to refute you, they activate their robot mode.

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Re: Sufism In Ilorin ; A Struggle For Survival.. by Demmzy15(m): 12:46pm On May 06, 2017

FriendNG:

Hahaha. I done dey pity you self. Yoruba savi beat. And the good thing is if u tell your Mumcy, she will add more for you

Mehn, I suffered o. I'm the first, there's one day in primary. I was in pri 3 and my junior brother was in pri 2, our school then combine pri 2 and 3 students in music class. So you all write the same tests and exams. Na so dem fire us test one day, I got 4/30 while my junior bro scored 8/30.

I don't know the Ajayi that told my mum, see beating. She beat me with an extension box wire(very fat), why? Because my bro scored higher than me. grin

I'll never forget that day, Alhamdullahi, I see the effects of the discipline I got!

Re: Sufism In Ilorin ; A Struggle For Survival.. by FriendNG: 12:54pm On May 06, 2017

Demmzy15:
Mehn, I suffered o. I'm the first, there's one day in primary. I was in pri 3 and my junior brother was in pri 2, our school then combine pri 2 and 3 students in music class. So you all write the same tests and exams. Na so dem fire us test one day, I got 4/30 while my junior bro scored 8/30.

I don't know the Ajayi that told my mum, see beating. She beat me with an extension box wire(very fat), why? Because my bro scored higher than me.

I'll never forget that day, Alhamdullahi, I see the effects of the discipline I got!

Pele. Discipline good but Yoruba own sometimes is too much. Now dem no go beat you sake of say you done grow. But still u can received slap since you never grow finish. If I cab predict u bi 21-22

Re: Sufism In Ilorin ; A Struggle For Survival.. by Demmzy15(m): 12:58pm On May 06, 2017

FriendNG:

Pele. Discipline good but Yoruba own sometimes is too much. Now dem no go beat you sake of say you done grow. But still u can received slap since you never grow finish. If I cab predict u bi 21-22

[font=serif]Slaps, we've gone past that stage. Doesn't happen again sha!

@underlined, yeah!

Re: Sufism In Ilorin ; A Struggle For Survival.. by FriendNG: 1:01pm On May 06, 2017

Demmzy15:
[font=serif]Slaps, we've gone past that stage. Doesn't happen again sha!

@underlined, yeah!

is okay. Am good at predicting.

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