PattyCake:


Its not a National Holiday neither is the white house Obligated to calibrate it.

Lucasbalo:
Never said it was a holiday. It's Mexican heritage that W started 16 years ago and it has been tradition ever since but our white nationalist president discarded it to appease his white base.

Missy89:


No you are a socialist. You think companies should be forced to insure people that will make them go bankrupt because it is for the greater good.

You cant force your standards on everyone because you can afford it (allegedly). That is what socialists do

Mindfulness:


Yeah, oligarchs from Romania. The rest are laughing at your stupidity.

Missy89:


Not a valid argument

Lucasbalo:
Another first by our Bigoted President. We have something called Cinco De Mayo which is Fifth of May that is celebrated by Mexicans in America. It's been an official celebration since 16 years ago in the White House by George W. Now the clown in chief put a stop to it to appease his white nationalists supporters. A cabinet that has only one black and no Hispanics in a diverse and multicultural country. What a shame.

pchukwudi:
The dude simply does not know anything about political economy. His self-contradictory rants show that he has zero grasp on the difference between capitalism and socialism. Just jumping up and down spewing nonsense.

schwarzkopf:
Drumpf accused Gonzalo Curiel of been bias solely because of his Mexican heritage, and y'all take the foool of a president serious. Amerikkkka is f***ked. Jeff sessions the KKK master is also dropping all police violation of citizens right cases. The country is f*!*?ked up for black and brown folks, to even know these sets of dumbasses polluting this space approves of all these bu****llsshit is mind boggling.

pchukwudi:
I'm sure you have no idea how much waste, burden and drag NHS' universal free or dead cheap care is to the UK economy. Just wait until Brexit. No one will need to tell Brits to wake up from the delusion of eternal free launch.

http://www.economist.com/news/britain/21714584-we-dont-have-any-spare-cash-chancellor-insists-no-more-money-nhs-says-philip

http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-families/health-news/nhs-uk-now-has-one-of-the-worst-healthcare-systems-in-the-developed-world-according-to-oecd-report-a6721401.html

schwarzkopf:


The country is a laughing stock worldwide, I have been in Europe since Monday and everyone can't phantom how we voted a nut case with zero knowledge on any subject as our president. To even think that these brain skunk here support the foool, is pathetic.

Missy89:


Are Australians with a better health care system evil for mandating a one year waiting period for people with pre existing conditions which can lead to their death?

Question you will never answer

Mindfulness:


Before you pretend to be an expert on healthcare systems around the world, educate yourself.
Health care in Australia is provided by both private institutions and the government.
The publicly funded healthcare is universal. It coexists with a private healthcare system. So unlike in your GREAT AMERICA nobody is threatened by bankruptcy for the simple reason that they are ill.

You are dvmber than I thought. FACT! No alternatives.

Missy89:


Using insults to mask your ignorance. Health care in America is also provided by private institutions and the government. The public healthcare ( Medicaid and Medicare) co exist with private healthcare in America. The reason why most people are threatened with bankruptcy is because they have limited options with their prescription ( blame both parties for that)
so what is your point?

Mindfulness:


In one moment you pretend to understand healthcare systems around the world and in the other you expose your utter ignorance.

In the early 1970s the Australian Commonwealth government created a public health system, called Medicare, some of which still remains.
But there is widespread use of private health insurance to help people cover a cost that is commonly called "the gap",.
"The gap" means the gap between the amount that the public system pays for a service that you get from a medico, and the amount that you pay to the medico for the service.

In public health facilities, you don't pay - all doctors are employed by the public system and they don't charge the patients.

But there are many many doctors and hospitals that are not part of the public system.

These private sector suppliers can get reimbursed from the public system, when they provide services that are covered by what is effectively a list of government subsidised services, but some (many in some areas) charge more than the public system will pay for a service.

And not all medicines are on the list of subsidised medicines that is maintained by the government.

there is a safety net there for every person, regardless of their ability to pay.

It's true that there are holes in every net (eg dental is not well supported), and sometimes people fall through the holes, but overall it is a good system to live with

Unlike in the US, in Australia the system is accessible to everyone. Private insurance and private facilities are a matter of choice.
So inform yourself first before you spew rubbish.

Missy89:


You keep arguing in a circle.

If You are poor in America, You get medicaid
People with low income get medicaid
Old people use Medicare
Poor kids use CHIP
mid income earners usually use private insurance provided by their employers
Rich people buy private insurance
people who use to have insurance and lose their jobs use COBRA
The people without any form of insurance still get treated under EMTALA ( even illegals)

Only people with pre existing conditions have limited access in both countries

So tell me who doesnt have access to public or private healthcare here?

Mindfulness:


You still don't get it.
Private insurance in Australia is an extra. Public healthcare is accessible to all, not only the needy. HUGE DIFFERENCE.

And if you want to know who does not have access to healthcare, ask your fellow Americans or read the personal accounts I posted yesterday or better so have a look at all those people, especially in the red Southern states, who walk around without teeth.

Besides, yesterday you were accusing people of being socialists for demanding access to healthcare for all and today you are acting like everybody has access to healthcare. So are you a socialist country today?

[quote author=Missy89 post=56269325]

What?!
Private insurance in Australia is an extra. Public healthcare is accessible to all, not only the needy. HUGE DIFFERENCE.

This doesn't make any sense. The "needy" are the people that needs more public option so how is that a bad thing? It seems like you want the Rich to have access to public insurance too. why?

ACCESS to healthcare is a right. It is different from Having health insurance. Two different things. That will depend on how much you have and what your condition is. Simple English.

You made a claim when you said this: "Unlike in the US, in Australia the system is accessible to everyone"

So tell me who doesnt have access to healthcare in America?

Lucasbalo:
Coming from a village goat like you , I am not surprised. This Socialist comfortable. A skunk that Will eventually die [/b]of either malaria or typhoid in the cave is mouthing off about healthcare in America. The [b]best of your country [/b]travels abroad for their medical needs while peasants like you go to some worthless General Hospitals. [b]Go eat your usual Gari you piece of garbage. No matter what happens to me in life, you won't see Lucas on nairaland begging money for treatment and I bet you can't say that.

Mindfulness:


Id.iotic statement of the highest order. Tell that to the people who cannot afford an insurance because companies charge them fortunes due to preexisting conditions.

Mindfulness:

I know it is impossible for you to grasp it but in some countries healthcare is accessible to all like education or infrastructure because there is the underlying conviction that healthcare should not be primarily used to make business but to help people. This is patriotism and respect for life.

Keep supporting the pro-death party though

Mindfulness:

People who cannot afford it.

Missy89:


It is simple logic. If insurance a company charge lets say $100 premium and pay out $10,000 in medical cost. It is no longer a business and will go bankrupt. Insurance companies calculate premiums based on risks not emotion. Try to keep up .

[b]If healthcare is not a businesses, why should medical students pay a lot of money to get a degree and spend over 6 years in training for what you think is a free commodity ? [/b]You cant help people with someone else labor for free. People practice medicine not only because of their passion but the financial incentive it brings, if you remove the incentive, There will be fewer doctors.

If the same Insurance companies mandated to cover these people without considering burden on them go out of business, they will be back in the same spot. So what should happen then?

Mindfulness:


Me? Keep up!? Girl! I live in a country where there is no price tag attached to human life. We value our citizens, rich or poor, healthy or unhealthy, smart or stupid more than an insurance company's business and we have been smart enough to establish a system that benefits EVERYONE, the companies and more importantly the sick.

Mindfulness:

And when I say that you are not (yet) smart, you think it is an insult.
Do you think doctors and nurses work for free in Australia, Canada or Europe?

Mindfulness:

Are you seriously thinking that insurance companies in other countries where the healthcare system is better than in the US - for instance in Australia according to Trumpeto - are charity organizations?

Missy89:


Then i would love you to explain this since the system benefits EVERYONE:

Europeans are plagued by mental and neurological illnesses, with almost 165 million people or 38 per cent of the population suffering each year from a brain disorder such as depression, anxiety, insomnia or dementia, according to a large new study.

With only about a third of cases receiving the therapy or medication needed, mental illnesses cause a huge economic and social burden - measured in the hundreds of billions of euros - as sufferers become too unwell to work and personal relationships break down.

"Mental disorders have become Europe's largest health challenge of the 21st century," the study's authors said.

At the same time, some big drug companies are backing away from investment in research on how the brain works and affects behaviour, putting the onus on governments and health charities to stump up funding for neuroscience.

And this:

Waiting times for non-emergency surgical interventions vary widely across EU countries. Some have made progress in reducing waiting times over the past few years, while in others such as Portugal, Spain and Greece, they have started to rise. This is probably the result of surgeons leaving those countries for better pay and facilities abroad.

I wasn't kidding when i said you should try and keep up. Most doctors in Australia, Canada and Europe are paid by the government. Most American doctors have private practice or work in a private hospital.

Australia's health laws answered your question here:

Why do health insurers impose waiting periods for pre-existing conditions?

For the same reason that you do not get a car insurance after the accident happened. Very simple genius.

Because anyone who’s fallen ill could sign up for health insurance, claim on this cover immediately, and then leave. Insurers would have to shoulder the costs, and then these costs would be passed on to others who hold health insurance policies…in the form of more expensive premiums. It’s essentially for the same reasons why health funds impose waiting periods.

If Australia's perfect health care systems is putting something in place for people with pre existing conditions, What exactly are you wailing about?

Mindfulness:


What is there to explain? Everyone has access to health care. Even the mentally ill.
Something you deprive yourself of because you think that profits are more important than human life.
See, even Greece is better than the US in terms of healthcare.

Mindfulness:

Like I said, inform yourself first before you make a fo.ol of yourself. The government runs the healthcare sector, the citizens pay for it via taxes or premiums and depending on the income. Everyone pays! That's why it is affordable for everyone.

Mindfulness:

For the same reason that you do not get a car insurance after the accident happened. Very simple genius.

Mindfulness:

Again, genius, the private insurance is an extra.

Missy89:


The posts reads : With only about a third of cases receiving the therapy or medication needed

I thought you said everyone have access? what happened?

The government does not run the healthcare sector in America, The market does, that is why the incentive must be there for it to thrive unlike government run practices in Europe, Canada and Australia. So when you ask me if doctors in those countries work for free, The first thing you should have done is to look at the different market and realize that your question was meaningless. like i said, try and keep up.

Thank you for agreeing with the point i was trying to make with this self contradictory post. since you cant get a car insurance after accidents happen. why do you want private insurance to cover the cost of pre existing conditions when you buy medical insurance without high premiums?

Same case here. Medicaid, Medicare and CHIP covers most pre existing conditions. Private insurance "is an extra".

Mindfulness:

In my country and many others they do. But you can compare yours to Romania.

Mindfulness:

If it was, we would not have the discussion we are having genius.

Mindfulness:

You are even unable to distinguish between the public and private sector. There is no hope for you.

Mindfulness:

That's why people file for bankruptcy when they get sick and that's why Trumpeto thinks that Australia's healthcare system is better.

Missy89:

Not a valid argument. I just showed you evidence that discredits your narrative. You're entitled to your own opinions, but you're not entitled to your own facts.



If you understand the what public policy means maybe you will understand the point of the discussion.



Public healthcare already accept people with pre existing conditions. The whole argument is about private health insurance companies.

Now answer the question : since you cant get a car insurance after accidents happen. why do you want private insurance to cover the cost of pre existing conditions when you buy medical insurance without high premiums?



But you will prefer private companies to file for bankruptcy when they are forced to insure people with pre existing conditions. If ACA was so great why are those insurance companies dropping out?. So what should happen next when they are out of business or drop out of the program because of the cost?

pchukwudi:


Nonetheless, it's worth the effort since hitting their decomposed brains with the spicy aroma of facts has the same effect as shining the sunlight on the bare face of the living deads. It compels them to crawl back to their tomb of self delusion in a flash.

pchukwudi:
Well done Missy.

Your low downs were splendid and on point.

Unfortunately presenting logic to libtards is like trying to feed a dead horse with juicy steak. They will never get it.

Nonetheless, it's worth the effort since hitting their decomposed brains with the spicy aroma of facts has the same effect as shining the sunlight on the bare face of the living deads. It compels them to crawl back to their tomb of self delusion in a flash.

Missy89:


GOLD!