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Re: Pls What Is The Minimum Height Of Oversite Concrete(german Floor)? by EGCA: 7:43am On May 31, 2017
minimum is 150mm

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Re: Pls What Is The Minimum Height Of Oversite Concrete(german Floor)? by Abudu2000(m): 7:45am On May 31, 2017
Suppose to even be 175mm for Nigeria conditions self but at least 150mm


But them no go hear word, some contactors will even tell you it's a waste of money,lol

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Re: Pls What Is The Minimum Height Of Oversite Concrete(german Floor)? by ADAMUdaCOWBOY: 7:55am On May 31, 2017
emae009:


since it's a 2 bedroom flat, I presume it'll be a bungalow so casting the floor slab is not really that necessary except it's a storey building... but nevertheless you'll still have to waterproof the slab to prevent moisture from the ground from getting into the building
Why is it necessary in storey buildings? Ground floors are the same whether bungalow or duplex, the standard for ground floors is the same. You make them damp proof and 150mm so they don't fail after a while.
Re: Pls What Is The Minimum Height Of Oversite Concrete(german Floor)? by Emusan(m): 8:06am On May 31, 2017
bodejohn:
In my opinion...the slab only does one job...damp proofing, I pressume that's why it's called the damp proof course.

I found this disturbing! why? Oversite concrete not only good for damp proofing but also for preventing floor punching. That's why oversite concrete thickness defers based on the live load coming on top.

It adds to the dead load on the house but does nothing directly to improve the strength of the building.

It's not necessary to add oversite concrete weight to the structure, it can be separated.

From my little research, the are many types of materials used in the dpc, we have only adopted the concrete slab here as the method used in most cases.

This is where you mixed them together, Oversite concrete and DPC are different though oversite concrete can be used as a DPC material.

The dpc majorly prevents upward movement of damp or moisture and seals the inside of the house from ants and some nasty rodents. A three or four inch thick of concrete slab should suffice.

You're partially correct but about the thickness it depends on the load, imaging a floor for heavy duty machine or banking hall. The thickness and preparation must be different.

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Re: Pls What Is The Minimum Height Of Oversite Concrete(german Floor)? by Omon605(m): 8:08am On May 31, 2017
DPC is different from an over site concrete.

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Re: Pls What Is The Minimum Height Of Oversite Concrete(german Floor)? by afamaustin(m): 8:22am On May 31, 2017
arcme111:
The minimum thickness of a floor slab is 150mm
6inchs

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Re: Pls What Is The Minimum Height Of Oversite Concrete(german Floor)? by chuberg(m): 8:27am On May 31, 2017
bodejohn:
In my opinion...the slab only does one job...damp proofing, I pressume that's why it's called the damp proof course.

It adds to the dead load on the house but does nothing directly to improve the strength of the building.

From my little research, the are many types of materials used in the dpc, we have only adopted the concrete slab here as the method used in most cases.

The dpc majorly prevents upward movement of damp or moisture and seals the inside of the house from ants and some nasty rodents. A three or four inch thick of concrete slab should suffice.

I thank you papi.....I have argued this over with some of my frds that are into construction,one even went to the extent of using lumps on the dpc before casting you can imagine the kind of waste he did there
Re: Pls What Is The Minimum Height Of Oversite Concrete(german Floor)? by Mup4life: 8:32am On May 31, 2017
thnks very insightful
Re: Pls What Is The Minimum Height Of Oversite Concrete(german Floor)? by bodejohn(m): 8:44am On May 31, 2017
felzylix:



please do not miss inform the public if you are not sure of what you saying, Concrete slab and not DPC is a structural member of the foundation, it bears the load to be transmitted to the foundation thus requires rigidity, DPC Damp proof Course is just a thin membrane of polymer laid beneath the courses of the wall to prevent moisture from percolating through the wall leading to dampness, unlike DPM damp proof membrane which is a thin membrane of polymer laid over thr entire area of the foundation before casting the oversite concrete. oversite concrete in some cases are not even sufficient to prevent ground water from percolating.

I am not misinforming the public, I only expressed my opinion which I am sure of. You are however free to disagree with superior argument not just conjectures.

I still insist that mortar is one of the materials used in damp proofing.

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Re: Pls What Is The Minimum Height Of Oversite Concrete(german Floor)? by Free4man: 8:49am On May 31, 2017
felzylix:



please do not miss inform the public if you are not sure of what you saying, Concrete slab and not DPC is a structural member of the foundation, it bears the load to be transmitted to the foundation thus requires rigidity, DPC Damp proof Course is just a thin membrane of polymer laid beneath the courses of the wall to prevent moisture from percolating through the wall leading to dampness, unlike DPM damp proof membrane which is a thin membrane of polymer laid over thr entire area of the foundation before casting the oversite concrete. oversite concrete in some cases are not even sufficient to prevent ground water from percolating.
I have the plan of writing this untill I saw your post. Thanks for the knowledge shared.

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Re: Pls What Is The Minimum Height Of Oversite Concrete(german Floor)? by bodejohn(m): 8:53am On May 31, 2017
Emusan:


I found this disturbing! why? Oversite concrete not only good for damp proofing but also for preventing floor punching. That's why oversite concrete thickness defers based on the live load coming on top.



It's not necessary to add oversite concrete weight to the structure, it can be separated.



This is where you mixed them together, Oversite concrete and DPC are different though oversite concrete can be used as a DPC material.



You're partially correct but about the thickness it depends on the load, imaging a floor for heavy duty machine or banking hall. The thickness and preparation must be different.

I didn't mix this up, I am saying concrete or mortar can be used as DPC. And if this is what the OP was trying to do, he can achieve this with a 3 to inch thick slab. I didn't imagine the OP was planning to install heavy duty machinery in a two bedroom bungalow.
Re: Pls What Is The Minimum Height Of Oversite Concrete(german Floor)? by kinibigdeal(m): 8:56am On May 31, 2017
Kindly change the height to thickness

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Re: Pls What Is The Minimum Height Of Oversite Concrete(german Floor)? by Nobody: 8:58am On May 31, 2017
victorazy:


the minimum is 150mm (6" ) let no one deceive u

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Re: Pls What Is The Minimum Height Of Oversite Concrete(german Floor)? by Nobody: 8:59am On May 31, 2017
victorazy:


the minimum is 150mm (6" ) let no one deceive u
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Re: Pls What Is The Minimum Height Of Oversite Concrete(german Floor)? by oluaseunhashy(m): 8:59am On May 31, 2017
150mm thickness is the minimum. Please, I'm looking for an IT placement, want to start next month,I'm a 400lvl building student. I stay in lag cry Thanks
Re: Pls What Is The Minimum Height Of Oversite Concrete(german Floor)? by emae009(m): 9:00am On May 31, 2017
ADAMUdaCOWBOY:

Why is it necessary in storey buildings? Ground floors are the same whether bungalow or duplex, the standard for ground floors is the same. You make them damp proof and 150mm so they don't fail after a while.

what that means is that for a storey building casting of the ground floor is absolutely necessary but it's not for a bungalow since the load it transmit to the ground strata is not much... I didn't say you should reduce the thickness of the casting
Re: Pls What Is The Minimum Height Of Oversite Concrete(german Floor)? by saydfact(m): 9:05am On May 31, 2017
Mup4life:
pls i nid advice if 3or4 inches height is suitable just for a 2bedroom flat thnks in anticipation of your answers.


Standard is 6 inches but since it's a bungalow and if it's a solid soil, then u can try 3 inches.. . But at least 4 inches if u can afford it.... If it's a waterlogged, swampy soil etc.. . Then follow ur engineers advice and design.

Good luck

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Re: Pls What Is The Minimum Height Of Oversite Concrete(german Floor)? by Bensam5060(m): 9:12am On May 31, 2017
depending on the foundation level if is high the 3inches is okey. i mean high like two block is on the surface of the land
Re: Pls What Is The Minimum Height Of Oversite Concrete(german Floor)? by money121(m): 9:12am On May 31, 2017
Ok
Re: Pls What Is The Minimum Height Of Oversite Concrete(german Floor)? by IstandWitBuhari: 9:13am On May 31, 2017
Mup4life:
i know sir but the area is dry not disturbed by water at all so was looking to know if it has any effect if it is reduced to say approximately 4inches.

The minimum. Is a 6inches (150mm).
From a certified Civil Engr

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Re: Pls What Is The Minimum Height Of Oversite Concrete(german Floor)? by FromZeroToHero(m): 9:17am On May 31, 2017
It depends on the terrain. But 4'' is ok.

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Re: Pls What Is The Minimum Height Of Oversite Concrete(german Floor)? by RobbStark(m): 9:26am On May 31, 2017
emae009:


since it's a 2 bedroom flat, I presume it'll be a bungalow so casting the floor slab is not really that necessary except it's a storey building... but nevertheless you'll still have to waterproof the slab to prevent moisture from the ground from getting into the building


You talk like a road side taylor. Hw cud you advice that casting the floor is not necessary.

OP, if you cant do 150mm cos of cost, dont go below 100mm i.e 4 Inches.
There is every tendency that if you go below the above stated height, the floor might get broken or cracked easily wen something like say woods during roofing fall on it.

I speak wit experience.
Re: Pls What Is The Minimum Height Of Oversite Concrete(german Floor)? by emae009(m): 9:37am On May 31, 2017
RobbStark:



You talk like a road side taylor. Hw cud you advice that casting the floor is not necessary.

OP, if you cant do 150mm cos of cost, dont go below 100mm i.e 4 Inches.
There is every tendency that if you go below the above stated height, the floor might get broken or cracked easily wen something like say woods during roofing fall on it.

I speak wit experience.

Mr experience, before you start calling people names please read and understand their view first.
first I stated that the minimum thickness is 150mm and that anything below that is a risk. then he said that the site environment is not prone to water so if it's a bungalow casting the ground floor is not as necessary as if it were to be a storey building.... that doesn't mean if you have the resources you shouldn't do it!
I know we're all trying to learn, your experience is a good view
Re: Pls What Is The Minimum Height Of Oversite Concrete(german Floor)? by Gesd(m): 9:46am On May 31, 2017
avoid the risk contact an ARCHITECT CALL 08189728491 ::BETTER SAVE THAN SORRY. FLOOR SLAB-150MM, EVERYTHING INCLUDING DPC 450MM.
AND IT ALSO DEPENDS ON WHERE YOU ARE BUILDING.
Re: Pls What Is The Minimum Height Of Oversite Concrete(german Floor)? by templeinyou(m): 11:07am On May 31, 2017
felzylix:
100mm, 4" inches. that is the minimum allowed. ensure hardcore filling is well compacted, do not compromise the standard, build right...

I was told that you can coup, that is to put about 4' -5' concret on top of the DPC roud then start to lay blocks.
Re: Pls What Is The Minimum Height Of Oversite Concrete(german Floor)? by templeinyou(m): 11:13am On May 31, 2017
bodejohn:


I am not misinforming the public, I only expressed my opinion which I am sure of. You are however free to disagree with superior argument not just conjectures.

I still insist that mortar is one of the materials used in damp proofing.

Is it that without german floor a storey building cannot be ercected ?
Re: Pls What Is The Minimum Height Of Oversite Concrete(german Floor)? by bodejohn(m): 11:23am On May 31, 2017
templeinyou:


Is it that without german floor a storey building cannot be ercected ?

It can...but strongly not advisable or recommended...
Remember that apart from the numerous benefits of a German floor to the building, you will require a strong and level ground support for the suspended floor. You don't want to have an undulating "decking" because a part of the ground floor sank due to the weight of the suspended floor.
Re: Pls What Is The Minimum Height Of Oversite Concrete(german Floor)? by ADAMUdaCOWBOY: 11:41am On May 31, 2017
emae009:


what that means is that for a storey building casting of the ground floor is absolutely necessary but it's not for a bungalow since the load it transmit to the ground strata is not much... I didn't say you should reduce the thickness of the casting
Floors don't serve the structural function of transmitting load to the ground. Loads in storey buildings are transmitted to the ground through beams and columns to the ground. Ground floors don't transmit load to the ground.

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Re: Pls What Is The Minimum Height Of Oversite Concrete(german Floor)? by kingd91: 11:45am On May 31, 2017
6 inches is the approved standard. If u are keen to using 4 inches, let it be properly mixed with a good Portland cement.

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